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In a message dated 8/25/01 5:00:21 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
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<<
I also don't use recycled paper (paper with something on the back) for
artwork. I used to, when my daughter was very tiny, then someone pointed
out to me the message that was sending - "What you are creating is not
worth a new sheet of paper." Ouch. Not the message I wanted to send. I
think that high-quality art supplies send the message that, "What you are
creating is important.", and that's important to me.
>>


The message you are sending now is that our enviroment isn't important
enough to care about the paper you use. I think global thinking and looking
into the future are important and many artists use recycled materials and
recyle materials into art forms. Very important IMO

NICKI~

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My son was told where paper came from and how it is made and as a family
we try to recycle and use as many recycled products as possible. He
always used every bit of space on a page voluntarily and never felt his
art work wasn't important because of it.
Both things can go hand in hand. My son has made beautiful art on all
kinds of reused paper .( no tp though ) We save credit card offers etc.
and along with our own used paper make new paper in the blender about
once a month. This paper has a beautiful texture and makes for
interesting watercolor paintings. It's very sloppy to make and kids
love it!
Deb L

>
> > The message you are sending now is that our enviroment isn't
> important
> enough to care about the paper you use. I think global thinking and
> looking
> into the future are important and many artists use recycled
> materials and
> recyle materials into art forms. Very important IMO
>
> NICKI~
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Deb- I'm sorry, but could you explain to this simple minded person how you
make your own recycled paper?

Kimberly U


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Lynda

The kidlets go bonkers if they see anyone throw usable paper in the garbage.
And when they have used it both sides or get tired of an old piece of
"practice" art (their name, not mine), they love using the paper shredder
and then using the shredded paper for compost to keep weeds down.

Now, you should know by now that when you do something that is fun you have
to share the directions/methods/recipe. So how do you make blender paper?

Lynda
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> My son was told where paper came from and how it is made and as a family
> we try to recycle and use as many recycled products as possible. He
> always used every bit of space on a page voluntarily and never felt his
> art work wasn't important because of it.
> Both things can go hand in hand. My son has made beautiful art on all
> kinds of reused paper .( no tp though ) We save credit card offers etc.
> and along with our own used paper make new paper in the blender about
> once a month. This paper has a beautiful texture and makes for
> interesting watercolor paintings. It's very sloppy to make and kids
> love it!
> Deb L
>
> >
> > > The message you are sending now is that our enviroment isn't
> > important
> > enough to care about the paper you use. I think global thinking and
> > looking
> > into the future are important and many artists use recycled
> > materials and
> > recyle materials into art forms. Very important IMO
> >
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We make all kinds of paper out of old newspapers and junk mail. They way we
do it and it may not be the right way, but is our way :) We tear the
paper(you can use any kind/color texture) up in small pieces, add a little
water blend it and pour on to an old screen to dry. We also make dryer lint
bowls(use dryer lint and glue, to make a from use wax/plastic wrap to cover
an existing bowl then put the lint on it), dryer lint paper, paper from old
clothing.
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>From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1382
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:27:15 -0700
>
>The kidlets go bonkers if they see anyone throw usable paper in the
>garbage.
>And when they have used it both sides or get tired of an old piece of
>"practice" art (their name, not mine), they love using the paper shredder
>and then using the shredded paper for compost to keep weeds down.
>
>Now, you should know by now that when you do something that is fun you have
>to share the directions/methods/recipe. So how do you make blender paper?
>
>Lynda
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>From: <ddzimlew@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1382
>
>
> > My son was told where paper came from and how it is made and as a family
> > we try to recycle and use as many recycled products as possible. He
> > always used every bit of space on a page voluntarily and never felt his
> > art work wasn't important because of it.
> > Both things can go hand in hand. My son has made beautiful art on all
> > kinds of reused paper .( no tp though ) We save credit card offers
>etc.
> > and along with our own used paper make new paper in the blender about
> > once a month. This paper has a beautiful texture and makes for
> > interesting watercolor paintings. It's very sloppy to make and kids
> > love it!
> > Deb L
> >
> > >
> > > > The message you are sending now is that our enviroment isn't
> > > important
> > > enough to care about the paper you use. I think global thinking and
> > > looking
> > > into the future are important and many artists use recycled
> > > materials and
> > > recyle materials into art forms. Very important IMO
> > >
> > > NICKI~
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Kimberly,
You will need two frames, like picture frames at least 8x10. I made
frames out of old yard sticks, but I see them cheep at the dollar store
sometimes and they would work too. You will need a dish pan, I actually
use a kitty liter pan ( never used for kitty ) because it's a little
bigger and works better, I think.

On one of the frames staple a piece of window screen so that it covers
the opening of the frame. This is the mold and the other frame is the
deckle. You want to staple the screen to the back of a store bought
frame ( on the flat part )

Tear up pieces of used paper, paper towels or even vegetable fibers. (
onion skins ) Get creative if you want and add a little paint or food
coloring. Different vegetable fibers add a little color too. Put the
paper into a blender with some water and pulverize it. The goo you make
is called a slurry. Fill the dishpan part way with water and pour in the
slurry. Hold your mold, screen side up, put the deckle on top of it.
Holding the mold and deckle together dip them into the slurry. Hold them
level and lift them out. This is where you just have to experiment. It
doesn't matter if you have too much on the screen but it can matter if
you have too little. The mash on the screen is called the wet leaf.
Set the mold and deckle on a piece of news paper, and remove the deckle.
Put a piece of newspaper on top of the wet leaf to act as a blotter.
Turn the mold and newspaper blotter over and lay them face down on the
table. Use a sponge to blot up any excess water through the screen.
Lift off the mold and put another newspaper blotter on the wet leaf.
After a few minutes, remove the blotters and iron the wet leaf dry.
Save the news papers. They dry and can be used again and again as
blotters, or they can be added to your slurry some time. It sounds like
a lot of work but really it goes fast. You can make several batches of
slurry and a pile of paper in no time. Just keep adding new slurry to
your dish pan until you have enough paper.
We add all kinds of interesting things on top of the wet leaf before we
blot. Flower petals, onion skins, pepper, nutmeg, pine needles,
whatever.

If you find that ink runs too much on your paper, dissolve some elmers
glue in water and add it to the slurry in the dish pan.

Last time, we sprinkled cinnamon and sugar on the wet leaf and it turned
out very interesting. ( Beware of dogs! ) We might make our Christmas
cards this way.

The left over slurry can be squeezed out, rolled into balls and left in a
sunny window sill to dry. They make great kitty toys.

Have fun.
Deb L

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Ohhh. We haven't made lint bowls in a long time because the cats always
try to EAT them !!! Maybe it's the glue? You can make them with sugar
instead of glue but then the little kids try to eat them! ( Maybe I need
that recipe swap too )
Dryer lint is a good gift to the birds in the spring, they weave it into
their nests.


Sorry I posted the paper instructions, I didn't see the others until I
sent mine.

Deb L.


> We make all kinds of paper out of old newspapers and junk mail. They
> way we
> do it and it may not be the right way, but is our way :) We tear the
>
> paper(you can use any kind/color texture) up in small pieces, add a
> little
> water blend it and pour on to an old screen to dry. We also make
> dryer lint
> bowls(use dryer lint and glue, to make a from use wax/plastic wrap
> to cover
> an existing bowl then put the lint on it), dryer lint paper, paper
> from old
> clothing.
> Indiana Tami
>
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world"
>
> ~Ghandi
>
> Try out this fun site!
> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=angel1bunny
>
>
>
>
>

Mercedes

I have a huge bag of lint - I just never wanted to throw it out... I thought
one day I'd use it for pillow stuffing when I make pillows...
any more lint ideas???
(not bellybutton lint).

Nakupenda
~Mercy

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Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1382


>Ohhh. We haven't made lint bowls in a long time because the cats always
>try to EAT them !!! Maybe it's the glue? You can make them with sugar
>instead of glue but then the little kids try to eat them! ( Maybe I need
>that recipe swap too )
>Dryer lint is a good gift to the birds in the spring, they weave it into
>their nests.
>
>
>Sorry I posted the paper instructions, I didn't see the others until I
>sent mine.
>
>Deb L.
>
>
>> We make all kinds of paper out of old newspapers and junk mail. They
>> way we
>> do it and it may not be the right way, but is our way :) We tear the
>>
>> paper(you can use any kind/color texture) up in small pieces, add a
>> little
>> water blend it and pour on to an old screen to dry. We also make
>> dryer lint
>> bowls(use dryer lint and glue, to make a from use wax/plastic wrap
>> to cover
>> an existing bowl then put the lint on it), dryer lint paper, paper
>> from old
>> clothing.
>> Indiana Tami
>>
>> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world"
>>
>> ~Ghandi
>>
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>> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=angel1bunny
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Dryer lint is a good gift to the birds in the
> spring, they weave it into
> their nests.

Is it good for this? I always use to put mine out but
I read somewhere not to because dryer lint holds
dampness once it gets wet and is not good for them
because of this?
Michele
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That's a very good question. I have not heard this but would love to
know the answer.
We leave them bits of yarn too, which would do the same thing.
Deb L ( who would never deliberately hurt a birdy )

>
> Is it good for this? I always use to put mine out but
> I read somewhere not to because dryer lint holds
> dampness once it gets wet and is not good for them
> because of this?
> Michele
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I'm sorry to ask, but what do you mean by an old screen?? What kind of screen?

Kimberly U


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Lynda

We were always told to only put out hair and the dog's undercoat because it
didn't absorb moisture from the air.

Lynda, who can't remember who told us that but thinks it might have been our
grandparents.
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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:02 PM
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> That's a very good question. I have not heard this but would love to
> know the answer.
> We leave them bits of yarn too, which would do the same thing.
> Deb L ( who would never deliberately hurt a birdy )
>
> >
> > Is it good for this? I always use to put mine out but
> > I read somewhere not to because dryer lint holds
> > dampness once it gets wet and is not good for them
> > because of this?
> > Michele
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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1382


> Ohhh. We haven't made lint bowls in a long time because the cats always
> try to EAT them !!! Maybe it's the glue? You can make them with sugar
> instead of glue but then the little kids try to eat them! ( Maybe I need
> that recipe swap too )
> Dryer lint is a good gift to the birds in the spring, they weave it into
> their nests.
>
>
> Sorry I posted the paper instructions, I didn't see the others until I
> sent mine.
>
> Deb L.
>
>
> > We make all kinds of paper out of old newspapers and junk mail. They
> > way we
> > do it and it may not be the right way, but is our way :) We tear the
> >
> > paper(you can use any kind/color texture) up in small pieces, add a
> > little
> > water blend it and pour on to an old screen to dry. We also make
> > dryer lint
> > bowls(use dryer lint and glue, to make a from use wax/plastic wrap
> > to cover
> > an existing bowl then put the lint on it), dryer lint paper, paper
> > from old
> > clothing.
> > Indiana Tami
> >
> > "You must be the change you wish to see in the world"
> >
> > ~Ghandi
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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You could make a picture! By saving the lint in separate bags so the
colors do not mix and them using them accordingly, green lint for
grass, blue lint for sky. Does this make sense? I saw this at
Ripley's Believe it or not museum in Buena Park, CA and it is so
neat! I always feel guilty throwing away a good colored batch of
lint!!!

Laura


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> I have a huge bag of lint - I just never wanted to throw it out...

Mercedes

Hahaha - good idea....

Any ideas for those stupid little square (white, red, green, yellow, orange)
plastic "clips" that are on bread packaging?? I was thinking a mosaic??




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Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:08 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Digest Number 1382


>You could make a picture! By saving the lint in separate bags so the
>colors do not mix and them using them accordingly, green lint for
>grass, blue lint for sky. Does this make sense? I saw this at
>Ripley's Believe it or not museum in Buena Park, CA and it is so
>neat! I always feel guilty throwing away a good colored batch of
>lint!!!
>
>Laura
>
>
>--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Mercedes" <earthacademy@e...> wrote:
>> I have a huge bag of lint - I just never wanted to throw it out...
>
>
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Sharon Rudd

Dear Deb L,

Thanks....I never thought of the iron! What a good
use for it as I seldom iron the laundry! I do iron
sewing projects and wrapping paper. Actually the iron
gets used for lots of stuff....I keep the ironing
board set up all the time. Still for homemade
paper...WHAT A GOOD IDEA!!

Thanks, Sharon

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Sharon,
I know what you mean! I never iron laundry because there's usually so
much junk on the ironing board, and some unidentifiable goo on the iron.
We also press fall leaves between two pieces of waxed paper. The heat
from the iron adheres some of the wax to the leaves and preserves them
for a short time. You can leave them in the waxed paper, or peal it
away. The leaves last quite a while this way.
Also my son chunks crayon onto paper, lays waxed paper on top and presses
the picture with the iron. It's a beautiful effect, like encaustic, but
quick.

One other thing we tried this summer, slightly off topic, was splatter
painting. We laid an old bed sheet on a sheet of plywood on the grass,
filled water balloons with paint, ( we used regular, acrylic house paint
) climbed the ladder and KER SPLAT ! Hideously messy, but fun. You
can get large feeding syringes at the vet clinic, with plastic curved
tips. You can easily draw up the paint and fill the balloons. We found
assorted old paints at a garage sale, so the project was cheap. Jackson
Pollock has nothing on us! Just remember, you then have to be willing to
USE this work of art around the house. This can be tricky.
Deb L

Mercedes

Love Jackson Pollock!
I've seen the same ideas with hanging a sheet on the clothes line and
squiring with waterGUNS (oh no) filled with paint.

Merc

-----Original Message-----
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Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] paper making was art supplies


>Sharon,
>I know what you mean! I never iron laundry because there's usually so
>much junk on the ironing board, and some unidentifiable goo on the iron.
>We also press fall leaves between two pieces of waxed paper. The heat
>from the iron adheres some of the wax to the leaves and preserves them
>for a short time. You can leave them in the waxed paper, or peal it
>away. The leaves last quite a while this way.
>Also my son chunks crayon onto paper, lays waxed paper on top and presses
>the picture with the iron. It's a beautiful effect, like encaustic, but
>quick.
>
>One other thing we tried this summer, slightly off topic, was splatter
>painting. We laid an old bed sheet on a sheet of plywood on the grass,
>filled water balloons with paint, ( we used regular, acrylic house paint
>) climbed the ladder and KER SPLAT ! Hideously messy, but fun. You
>can get large feeding syringes at the vet clinic, with plastic curved
>tips. You can easily draw up the paint and fill the balloons. We found
>assorted old paints at a garage sale, so the project was cheap. Jackson
>Pollock has nothing on us! Just remember, you then have to be willing to
>USE this work of art around the house. This can be tricky.
>Deb L
>
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EEEkkkk. Not guns! ( we'll have to try it ! ) I'll not have a plain
sheet left.
I hate to think what the poor dog is going to look like!
Deb L

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:46:09 -0400 "Mercedes"
<earthacademy@...> writes:
> Love Jackson Pollock!
> I've seen the same ideas with hanging a sheet on the clothes line
> and
> squiring with waterGUNS (oh no) filled with paint.
>
> Merc
>

Lynda

We don't have water/squirt guns <g> We have a fish and a whale <g> That's
what the kidlets run to get, "Where's your fish, we're going to the lake."
So, I suppose we could fish or whale the sheet <g>

Lynda, wondering what folks would think if I said the kidlets were going to
use fish and whales to paint sheets <<<bewg>>>
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] paper making was art supplies


> Love Jackson Pollock!
> I've seen the same ideas with hanging a sheet on the clothes line and
> squiring with waterGUNS (oh no) filled with paint.
>
> Merc
>
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> From: ddzimlew@... <ddzimlew@...>
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> Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] paper making was art supplies
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>
> >Sharon,
> >I know what you mean! I never iron laundry because there's usually so
> >much junk on the ironing board, and some unidentifiable goo on the iron.
> >We also press fall leaves between two pieces of waxed paper. The heat
> >from the iron adheres some of the wax to the leaves and preserves them
> >for a short time. You can leave them in the waxed paper, or peal it
> >away. The leaves last quite a while this way.
> >Also my son chunks crayon onto paper, lays waxed paper on top and presses
> >the picture with the iron. It's a beautiful effect, like encaustic, but
> >quick.
> >
> >One other thing we tried this summer, slightly off topic, was splatter
> >painting. We laid an old bed sheet on a sheet of plywood on the grass,
> >filled water balloons with paint, ( we used regular, acrylic house paint
> >) climbed the ladder and KER SPLAT ! Hideously messy, but fun. You
> >can get large feeding syringes at the vet clinic, with plastic curved
> >tips. You can easily draw up the paint and fill the balloons. We found
> >assorted old paints at a garage sale, so the project was cheap. Jackson
> >Pollock has nothing on us! Just remember, you then have to be willing to
> >USE this work of art around the house. This can be tricky.
> >Deb L
> >
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Mercedes

Good for you! I am anti-guns (for toys) pretty much and if ever Liza has a
squirt-gun it is a squirt-dolphin or something to that effect....
Merc