Boarding Schools Revisited
Lynda
For those that were interested in more info, or who live within driving
distance of Phoenix, here is a nationally recognized museum that currently
has an exhibit that provides more verification about the whole boarding
school episode in the U.S.'s history and documents that the first thing that
happened to the children was that their hair was cut!
Lynda
http://www.news-star.com/stories/082501/new_museum.shtml
PHOENIX (AP) -- It's the hair you remember, long after you've left the
museum -- the strands of ebony piled around the barber's chair, some still
tightly braided.
When American Indians were forced to attend federally operated boarding
schools beginning in 1879, their long hair was lopped off immediately upon
arrival as part of the effort to "civilize" the natives. It was one of the
most devastating acts of the boarding school experience.
distance of Phoenix, here is a nationally recognized museum that currently
has an exhibit that provides more verification about the whole boarding
school episode in the U.S.'s history and documents that the first thing that
happened to the children was that their hair was cut!
Lynda
http://www.news-star.com/stories/082501/new_museum.shtml
PHOENIX (AP) -- It's the hair you remember, long after you've left the
museum -- the strands of ebony piled around the barber's chair, some still
tightly braided.
When American Indians were forced to attend federally operated boarding
schools beginning in 1879, their long hair was lopped off immediately upon
arrival as part of the effort to "civilize" the natives. It was one of the
most devastating acts of the boarding school experience.
Sharon Rudd
--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
documents
length codes". Boys hair must be above the collar and
above the ears. Uniforms are becoming more popular,
too.
Sharon
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documents
> that the first thing thatMany schools (public and private) STILL have "hair
> happened to the children was that their hair was
> cut!
> Lynda
length codes". Boys hair must be above the collar and
above the ears. Uniforms are becoming more popular,
too.
Sharon
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In a message dated 8/26/01 12:31:20 AM, lurine@... writes:
<< When American Indians were forced to attend federally operated boarding
schools beginning in 1879, their long hair was lopped off immediately upon
arrival as part of the effort to "civilize" the natives. >>
Same thing in Okinawa to "modernize"--and Samurai descendents were not to
have their hair cut. The founder of the karate school Kirby goes to wrote an
autobiography, and confesses without much joy to having physically subdued
boys so their hair could be cut off.
I don't think in either case they cut the girls' hair, but I could be wrong
about the Indian boarding schools and female-haircuts, and I don't think
there were girls in the Okinawan schools.
Sandra
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<< When American Indians were forced to attend federally operated boarding
schools beginning in 1879, their long hair was lopped off immediately upon
arrival as part of the effort to "civilize" the natives. >>
Same thing in Okinawa to "modernize"--and Samurai descendents were not to
have their hair cut. The founder of the karate school Kirby goes to wrote an
autobiography, and confesses without much joy to having physically subdued
boys so their hair could be cut off.
I don't think in either case they cut the girls' hair, but I could be wrong
about the Indian boarding schools and female-haircuts, and I don't think
there were girls in the Okinawan schools.
Sandra
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Barb Eaton
I want to give my boys karate classes for christmas. How did all of you
find good teachers/ schools? What kind of questions did you ask? What should
I look for? And last but not least, how can I present it as a surprise?
Should I keep it secret or have them check thing out and chose??
TIA
Barb E
on 8/26/01 3:15 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
find good teachers/ schools? What kind of questions did you ask? What should
I look for? And last but not least, how can I present it as a surprise?
Should I keep it secret or have them check thing out and chose??
TIA
Barb E
on 8/26/01 3:15 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
>The founder of the karate school Kirby goes to wrote an
> In a message dated 8/26/01 12:31:20 AM, lurine@... writes:
> autobiography, and confesses without much joy to having physically subdued
> boys so their hair could be cut off.
>
>
> Sandra
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My son had asked for karate lessons a year before we found the
instructor we liked.
We went into it completely ignorant of martial arts. We were lucky to
find such an amazing instructor.
You should attend a few classes without your boys, if you can. Watch to
see if the older kids use self control when sparring with the younger
kids. Do they have protective gear for the little kids. Does the
instructor stress the point of self control? Is one of the rules of the
dojo respect? How do the students treat each other? How is the
instructor with the other kids your boy's ages? Do girls and boys spar
each other? If not there may be and unconscious ( or not ) feeling by
the instructor that girls are not able to fight as well as boys, etc. and
do you want your boys to get this message? Your observations will tell
you more than I ever could. If you feel good about the teacher and feel
he/she genuinely likes and respects the kids, then he/she's the one.
The goal of martial arts, The harmonious development and eventual
perfection of human character.
I was worried that my unschooling kid would have a hard time with a
regimented class.
He didn't . The hardest thing for him to remember was to raise his hand
before asking or answering a question, and having to ask to use the
restroom.
Deb L
instructor we liked.
We went into it completely ignorant of martial arts. We were lucky to
find such an amazing instructor.
You should attend a few classes without your boys, if you can. Watch to
see if the older kids use self control when sparring with the younger
kids. Do they have protective gear for the little kids. Does the
instructor stress the point of self control? Is one of the rules of the
dojo respect? How do the students treat each other? How is the
instructor with the other kids your boy's ages? Do girls and boys spar
each other? If not there may be and unconscious ( or not ) feeling by
the instructor that girls are not able to fight as well as boys, etc. and
do you want your boys to get this message? Your observations will tell
you more than I ever could. If you feel good about the teacher and feel
he/she genuinely likes and respects the kids, then he/she's the one.
The goal of martial arts, The harmonious development and eventual
perfection of human character.
I was worried that my unschooling kid would have a hard time with a
regimented class.
He didn't . The hardest thing for him to remember was to raise his hand
before asking or answering a question, and having to ask to use the
restroom.
Deb L
Lynda
All the schools cut hair on both boys and girls. The degree of cutting the
hair of the girls differed from school to school. At some point in history,
the guy who started the boarding schools must have read some history book on
the Chinese and the "strength" of the "pigtail" and converted that thinking
to apply to the American Indian children. Some tribes had braids for both
boys and girls and it was those children, both boys and girls, who were
given the shortest hair cuts, the enfamous "Buster Brown" bowl cuts.
After the first few years, the extremely short hair cuts for girls were
predominately used on the younger girls. It is a little hard to see but if
you look at the younger girls in the "after" picture for the Apaches, you
can see that the two younger girls have very short hair.
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/erdrich/boarding/gallery.htm
Later, most of the schools stopped cutting the girls hair really short but
they still were forced into "white" hair styles. Two braids hanging in
front of the shoulders or long flowing hair were an absolute no no. And,
those who have "straight as a stick" hair will understand the futility of
tying their hair up in rags or using curling irons.
My aunt remembers one little girl that would cry herself to sleep every
night because she knew in the morning she would be punished because her hair
wouldn't curl.
Lynda
hair of the girls differed from school to school. At some point in history,
the guy who started the boarding schools must have read some history book on
the Chinese and the "strength" of the "pigtail" and converted that thinking
to apply to the American Indian children. Some tribes had braids for both
boys and girls and it was those children, both boys and girls, who were
given the shortest hair cuts, the enfamous "Buster Brown" bowl cuts.
After the first few years, the extremely short hair cuts for girls were
predominately used on the younger girls. It is a little hard to see but if
you look at the younger girls in the "after" picture for the Apaches, you
can see that the two younger girls have very short hair.
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/erdrich/boarding/gallery.htm
Later, most of the schools stopped cutting the girls hair really short but
they still were forced into "white" hair styles. Two braids hanging in
front of the shoulders or long flowing hair were an absolute no no. And,
those who have "straight as a stick" hair will understand the futility of
tying their hair up in rags or using curling irons.
My aunt remembers one little girl that would cry herself to sleep every
night because she knew in the morning she would be punished because her hair
wouldn't curl.
Lynda
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From: <SandraDodd@...>
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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Boarding Schools Revisited
>
> In a message dated 8/26/01 12:31:20 AM, lurine@... writes:
>
> << When American Indians were forced to attend federally operated boarding
> schools beginning in 1879, their long hair was lopped off immediately upon
> arrival as part of the effort to "civilize" the natives. >>
>
> Same thing in Okinawa to "modernize"--and Samurai descendents were not to
> have their hair cut. The founder of the karate school Kirby goes to wrote
an
> autobiography, and confesses without much joy to having physically subdued
> boys so their hair could be cut off.
>
> I don't think in either case they cut the girls' hair, but I could be
wrong
> about the Indian boarding schools and female-haircuts, and I don't think
> there were girls in the Okinawan schools.
>
>
>
> Sandra
Sharon Rudd
Hi Barb
Your boys do have to want to take karate, the lessons
might be gift that they don't want. It is a
discipline, not a sport. However, one of the best
things about that is that with your practice you can
only get better and stronger. Even little bits of
practice!
Make sure bogu (protective gear) is worn by EVERYONE
who spars, not just little kids. Little kids shouldn't
be participating in REAL sparring anyway. They just
learn bad habits and incorrect techniques if they do,
and maybe get the VERY DANGEROUS idea that they
(little kids) can actually FIGHT an large-size person.
We grownups are supposed to be vigilant so that little
kids never have need for such skills.
Other listers said 'most everything else.
Sharon
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Your boys do have to want to take karate, the lessons
might be gift that they don't want. It is a
discipline, not a sport. However, one of the best
things about that is that with your practice you can
only get better and stronger. Even little bits of
practice!
Make sure bogu (protective gear) is worn by EVERYONE
who spars, not just little kids. Little kids shouldn't
be participating in REAL sparring anyway. They just
learn bad habits and incorrect techniques if they do,
and maybe get the VERY DANGEROUS idea that they
(little kids) can actually FIGHT an large-size person.
We grownups are supposed to be vigilant so that little
kids never have need for such skills.
Other listers said 'most everything else.
Sharon
--- Barb Eaton <homemama@...> wrote:
> I want to give my boys karate classes for__________________________________________________
> christmas. How did all of you
> find good teachers/ schools? What kind of questions
> did you ask? What should
> I look for? And last but not least, how can I
> present it as a surprise?
> Should I keep it secret or have them check thing out
> and chose??
>
> TIA
> Barb E
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