Question about the objection of shot requirements(?)
[email protected]
I don't mind the shot requirement thing -- to a point -- because there have
been a few outbreaks of meningitis here in PA -- fatal ones -- and a couple
were high school kids (not just college kids). I think one kid was even a
young child.
What are your views about shot requirements? (anybody). I'm new to this
site, and I've noticed that there is some objection to it. Just curious as
to why -- excluding the possibility of an allergic reaction, of course.
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been a few outbreaks of meningitis here in PA -- fatal ones -- and a couple
were high school kids (not just college kids). I think one kid was even a
young child.
What are your views about shot requirements? (anybody). I'm new to this
site, and I've noticed that there is some objection to it. Just curious as
to why -- excluding the possibility of an allergic reaction, of course.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Connie Carlton
I have no issue and support the use of most of the shots (polio, mumps,
rubella, and tetanus especially). These are no-brainers to me. (My sister
had to undergo the treatment for NOT having a current tetanus shot and my
dad was doctor! I think it's cruel risk not to give this to a child, but
that's MY personal choice and opinion.) As a doctor once said to me, "die
of something we can't cure." As for chicken-pox, that's a different story.
Some people may not ever get chicken pox. Chicken pox isn't like the other
diseases in that you are never protected from it. If you've had chicken pox
you'll never get chicken pox again, but if you come in contact with someone
who has chicken pox you can get shingles (which from my recollection of a
great-Aunt who had it, not a pleasant thing to have).
As for requiring people to vaccinate their children? I have mixed feelings
about it. I certainly believe that a parent has a right to opt out of
everything, shots, public schools, etc. But if a parent decides to place
their child in a public, tax-payer sponsored, school, then the school (and
the tax-payers) have a right to establish rules that everyone must conform
to. Either opt-out or opt-in. Those are your choices.
Connie
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From: Freedomfighter68@... [mailto:Freedomfighter68@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
I don't mind the shot requirement thing -- to a point -- because there
have
been a few outbreaks of meningitis here in PA -- fatal ones -- and a
couple
were high school kids (not just college kids). I think one kid was even a
young child.
What are your views about shot requirements? (anybody). I'm new to this
site, and I've noticed that there is some objection to it. Just curious
as
to why -- excluding the possibility of an allergic reaction, of course.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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rubella, and tetanus especially). These are no-brainers to me. (My sister
had to undergo the treatment for NOT having a current tetanus shot and my
dad was doctor! I think it's cruel risk not to give this to a child, but
that's MY personal choice and opinion.) As a doctor once said to me, "die
of something we can't cure." As for chicken-pox, that's a different story.
Some people may not ever get chicken pox. Chicken pox isn't like the other
diseases in that you are never protected from it. If you've had chicken pox
you'll never get chicken pox again, but if you come in contact with someone
who has chicken pox you can get shingles (which from my recollection of a
great-Aunt who had it, not a pleasant thing to have).
As for requiring people to vaccinate their children? I have mixed feelings
about it. I certainly believe that a parent has a right to opt out of
everything, shots, public schools, etc. But if a parent decides to place
their child in a public, tax-payer sponsored, school, then the school (and
the tax-payers) have a right to establish rules that everyone must conform
to. Either opt-out or opt-in. Those are your choices.
Connie
-----Original Message-----
From: Freedomfighter68@... [mailto:Freedomfighter68@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
I don't mind the shot requirement thing -- to a point -- because there
have
been a few outbreaks of meningitis here in PA -- fatal ones -- and a
couple
were high school kids (not just college kids). I think one kid was even a
young child.
What are your views about shot requirements? (anybody). I'm new to this
site, and I've noticed that there is some objection to it. Just curious
as
to why -- excluding the possibility of an allergic reaction, of course.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Saga
My baby had meningitis when she was two weeks old, we were told she would
die.
She didn't, thankfully, but I do know a little about what its like to deal
with a disease like that.
With that in mind, I know one little boy who is autistic, mysteriously
suddenly autistic immediately after the MMR vaccine. I know a mother whose
little 2 month old baby died a horrible, painful death from a reaction to a
vaccine. My three nieces all got chicken pox - and they were vaccinated.
My friend's daughter got Measles from the vaccine.
I know what is in the vaccines - mercury, tissue from aborted fetuses,
things we would never feed our children. My last pregnancy I studied and
studied and studied the vaccination thing trying to figure out the chances
my child would die or be seriously effected by a vaccine, in relation to the
chances that she would die or be seriously effected by one of the things the
vaccine was trying to cure. I found it was a very close call. In countries
where some of our vaccines are illegal, or not administered until much
later, there is a lower instance of SIDS and adverse reactions to the
vaccine. And there isn't a higher rate of the diseases the vaccines protect
from in those populations. The US has a very high infant mortality rate,
the highest of any industrialized nation (I think it is 21st?), and one must
wonder if it is because we shoot so many things into tiny bodies that can
barely fight off the poisons we give them. Add that to the rest of things
we do to harm the babies of our country (bad water, pesticide and herbicide
use, etc etc etc) and it makes sense.
So... with me, I think vaccines should not be necessary, or at least there
should be options. I think a less rigorous vaccination schedule would do
much better. Stop doing combined shots, space them out, wait until the
child is at least a year old. There should be options, and just not going
into the doctor, given some sheet of paper telling you what could happen,
then automatically injecting the vaccinations on some predetermined
schedule, without true parent education or appearance of choice.
The meningitis with my daughter frightened me very much, but I wasn't going
to put her through more pain and potential suffering by giving her
vaccinations at 2 months old. We will wait and try to space them out, and
we won't be giving her all of them.
Every family has their own way of protecting and caring for their children
and the government, and other families especially, should respect that.
-Kristi
die.
She didn't, thankfully, but I do know a little about what its like to deal
with a disease like that.
With that in mind, I know one little boy who is autistic, mysteriously
suddenly autistic immediately after the MMR vaccine. I know a mother whose
little 2 month old baby died a horrible, painful death from a reaction to a
vaccine. My three nieces all got chicken pox - and they were vaccinated.
My friend's daughter got Measles from the vaccine.
I know what is in the vaccines - mercury, tissue from aborted fetuses,
things we would never feed our children. My last pregnancy I studied and
studied and studied the vaccination thing trying to figure out the chances
my child would die or be seriously effected by a vaccine, in relation to the
chances that she would die or be seriously effected by one of the things the
vaccine was trying to cure. I found it was a very close call. In countries
where some of our vaccines are illegal, or not administered until much
later, there is a lower instance of SIDS and adverse reactions to the
vaccine. And there isn't a higher rate of the diseases the vaccines protect
from in those populations. The US has a very high infant mortality rate,
the highest of any industrialized nation (I think it is 21st?), and one must
wonder if it is because we shoot so many things into tiny bodies that can
barely fight off the poisons we give them. Add that to the rest of things
we do to harm the babies of our country (bad water, pesticide and herbicide
use, etc etc etc) and it makes sense.
So... with me, I think vaccines should not be necessary, or at least there
should be options. I think a less rigorous vaccination schedule would do
much better. Stop doing combined shots, space them out, wait until the
child is at least a year old. There should be options, and just not going
into the doctor, given some sheet of paper telling you what could happen,
then automatically injecting the vaccinations on some predetermined
schedule, without true parent education or appearance of choice.
The meningitis with my daughter frightened me very much, but I wasn't going
to put her through more pain and potential suffering by giving her
vaccinations at 2 months old. We will wait and try to space them out, and
we won't be giving her all of them.
Every family has their own way of protecting and caring for their children
and the government, and other families especially, should respect that.
-Kristi
Connie Carlton
I'm curious about your mention of aborted fetal tissue being in vaccines.
From which source did you derive that information?
Connie
-----Original Message-----
From: Saga [mailto:mom@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
My baby had meningitis when she was two weeks old, we were told she would
die.
She didn't, thankfully, but I do know a little about what its like to deal
with a disease like that.
With that in mind, I know one little boy who is autistic, mysteriously
suddenly autistic immediately after the MMR vaccine. I know a mother
whose
little 2 month old baby died a horrible, painful death from a reaction to
a
vaccine. My three nieces all got chicken pox - and they were vaccinated.
My friend's daughter got Measles from the vaccine.
I know what is in the vaccines - mercury, tissue from aborted fetuses,
things we would never feed our children. My last pregnancy I studied and
studied and studied the vaccination thing trying to figure out the chances
my child would die or be seriously effected by a vaccine, in relation to
the
chances that she would die or be seriously effected by one of the things
the
vaccine was trying to cure. I found it was a very close call. In
countries
where some of our vaccines are illegal, or not administered until much
later, there is a lower instance of SIDS and adverse reactions to the
vaccine. And there isn't a higher rate of the diseases the vaccines
protect
from in those populations. The US has a very high infant mortality rate,
the highest of any industrialized nation (I think it is 21st?), and one
must
wonder if it is because we shoot so many things into tiny bodies that can
barely fight off the poisons we give them. Add that to the rest of things
we do to harm the babies of our country (bad water, pesticide and
herbicide
use, etc etc etc) and it makes sense.
So... with me, I think vaccines should not be necessary, or at least there
should be options. I think a less rigorous vaccination schedule would do
much better. Stop doing combined shots, space them out, wait until the
child is at least a year old. There should be options, and just not going
into the doctor, given some sheet of paper telling you what could happen,
then automatically injecting the vaccinations on some predetermined
schedule, without true parent education or appearance of choice.
The meningitis with my daughter frightened me very much, but I wasn't
going
to put her through more pain and potential suffering by giving her
vaccinations at 2 months old. We will wait and try to space them out, and
we won't be giving her all of them.
Every family has their own way of protecting and caring for their children
and the government, and other families especially, should respect that.
-Kristi
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From which source did you derive that information?
Connie
-----Original Message-----
From: Saga [mailto:mom@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
My baby had meningitis when she was two weeks old, we were told she would
die.
She didn't, thankfully, but I do know a little about what its like to deal
with a disease like that.
With that in mind, I know one little boy who is autistic, mysteriously
suddenly autistic immediately after the MMR vaccine. I know a mother
whose
little 2 month old baby died a horrible, painful death from a reaction to
a
vaccine. My three nieces all got chicken pox - and they were vaccinated.
My friend's daughter got Measles from the vaccine.
I know what is in the vaccines - mercury, tissue from aborted fetuses,
things we would never feed our children. My last pregnancy I studied and
studied and studied the vaccination thing trying to figure out the chances
my child would die or be seriously effected by a vaccine, in relation to
the
chances that she would die or be seriously effected by one of the things
the
vaccine was trying to cure. I found it was a very close call. In
countries
where some of our vaccines are illegal, or not administered until much
later, there is a lower instance of SIDS and adverse reactions to the
vaccine. And there isn't a higher rate of the diseases the vaccines
protect
from in those populations. The US has a very high infant mortality rate,
the highest of any industrialized nation (I think it is 21st?), and one
must
wonder if it is because we shoot so many things into tiny bodies that can
barely fight off the poisons we give them. Add that to the rest of things
we do to harm the babies of our country (bad water, pesticide and
herbicide
use, etc etc etc) and it makes sense.
So... with me, I think vaccines should not be necessary, or at least there
should be options. I think a less rigorous vaccination schedule would do
much better. Stop doing combined shots, space them out, wait until the
child is at least a year old. There should be options, and just not going
into the doctor, given some sheet of paper telling you what could happen,
then automatically injecting the vaccinations on some predetermined
schedule, without true parent education or appearance of choice.
The meningitis with my daughter frightened me very much, but I wasn't
going
to put her through more pain and potential suffering by giving her
vaccinations at 2 months old. We will wait and try to space them out, and
we won't be giving her all of them.
Every family has their own way of protecting and caring for their children
and the government, and other families especially, should respect that.
-Kristi
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Saga
We are right in the middle of moving right now, and can't seem to locate my
folder of vaccine information. But I have a list of ingredients for all the
major vaccines. The vaccines are grown and strained in various tissues,
human or animal, like monkey kidney, chicken embryos, etc. For rubella,
hepatitis A and chicken-pox vaccines they use human diploid cells, which
come from the organs of aborted fetuses. Now, I must admit I can't recall
if any of the fetus "cells" (from the cell line) are actually in the
vaccine, but it is on an ingredients list.
I must make clear that no new fetuses are being used, the cell line has been
established, so unless they feel need to establish another cell line, they
will not use another fetus.
Some of these fetuses were aborted over 20 years ago so it may be well
removed from the incidence for some people for ethical reasons, and there
are churches that agree with this belief, that its been so long it is all
right to use the vaccine.
I was first introduced this information in an article in Mothering magazine.
I hope that helps, and hope I didn't mislead anyone in my statement, I get a
little worked up sometimes when it comes to such issues :) and I may have
been unclear as to what I was talking about.
Hope that helps!
Kristi
-----Original Message-----
From: Connie Carlton [mailto:connie@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
I'm curious about your mention of aborted fetal tissue being in vaccines.
folder of vaccine information. But I have a list of ingredients for all the
major vaccines. The vaccines are grown and strained in various tissues,
human or animal, like monkey kidney, chicken embryos, etc. For rubella,
hepatitis A and chicken-pox vaccines they use human diploid cells, which
come from the organs of aborted fetuses. Now, I must admit I can't recall
if any of the fetus "cells" (from the cell line) are actually in the
vaccine, but it is on an ingredients list.
I must make clear that no new fetuses are being used, the cell line has been
established, so unless they feel need to establish another cell line, they
will not use another fetus.
Some of these fetuses were aborted over 20 years ago so it may be well
removed from the incidence for some people for ethical reasons, and there
are churches that agree with this belief, that its been so long it is all
right to use the vaccine.
I was first introduced this information in an article in Mothering magazine.
I hope that helps, and hope I didn't mislead anyone in my statement, I get a
little worked up sometimes when it comes to such issues :) and I may have
been unclear as to what I was talking about.
Hope that helps!
Kristi
-----Original Message-----
From: Connie Carlton [mailto:connie@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
I'm curious about your mention of aborted fetal tissue being in vaccines.
>From which source did you derive that information?Connie
[email protected]
Can anyone explain shingles? What is it? Can you get shingles if you
DID have chicken pox or if you DID NOT have chicken pox?
Mary Ellen
Success is a process of living.
It's stopping for the moments of beauty, of pleasure, the moments of
peace.
Success is not a destination that you ever reach.
Success is the quality of the journey.
DID have chicken pox or if you DID NOT have chicken pox?
Mary Ellen
Success is a process of living.
It's stopping for the moments of beauty, of pleasure, the moments of
peace.
Success is not a destination that you ever reach.
Success is the quality of the journey.
Connie Carlton
Thanks for the update. I looked it up myself and found the following from
the South Dakota Journal of Medicine. Many websites misquote the actual
text and give the impression that fetuses are being aborted and harvested
for the production of this vaccine, when in fact, as the following text
describes, tissue was taken from 2 embryos 40 years ago and those cells are
reproduced in the laboratory (the cells not the embryos) and have saved
thousands of lives as a result.
I think this an important distinction. Vaccines are not being made from the
flesh of freshly aborted babies. The cells captured 40 years ago could just
as easily have come from naturally aborted fetuses or miscarriage. It seems
obvious that you'd want to control the cell replication in the laboratory
and not introduce new cell lines and potentially dangerous disease threads
as a result.
Connie
Fallacy: Aborted fetuses are routinely used to manufacture Varivax(r).
Facts: Human diploid fibroblast cell lines are used to produce several
different vaccines. Human diploid cells are immature cells that can be grown
indefinitely and readily support viral growth. Currently, there are two
human diploid cell lines in use, WI-38 and MRC-5. Both of these cell lines
were developed from lung tissue of two therapeutically aborted fetuses in
1961 and 1966. The medical reasons for the abortions were independent
decisions unrelated to the production of the human diploid fibroblast cells
or vaccines. All human diploid cells used in the past and today for vaccine
production come from the WI-38 andMRC-5 cell lines.14 Dr. Takahashi and
colleagues developed the Oka master seed virus and from this the various
varicella vaccines are produced.10,15
-----Original Message-----
From: Saga [mailto:mom@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
We are right in the middle of moving right now, and can't seem to locate
my
folder of vaccine information. But I have a list of ingredients for all
the
major vaccines. The vaccines are grown and strained in various tissues,
human or animal, like monkey kidney, chicken embryos, etc. For rubella,
hepatitis A and chicken-pox vaccines they use human diploid cells, which
come from the organs of aborted fetuses. Now, I must admit I can't recall
if any of the fetus "cells" (from the cell line) are actually in the
vaccine, but it is on an ingredients list.
I must make clear that no new fetuses are being used, the cell line has
been
established, so unless they feel need to establish another cell line, they
will not use another fetus.
Some of these fetuses were aborted over 20 years ago so it may be well
removed from the incidence for some people for ethical reasons, and there
are churches that agree with this belief, that its been so long it is all
right to use the vaccine.
I was first introduced this information in an article in Mothering
magazine.
I hope that helps, and hope I didn't mislead anyone in my statement, I get
a
little worked up sometimes when it comes to such issues :) and I may have
been unclear as to what I was talking about.
Hope that helps!
Kristi
-----Original Message-----
From: Connie Carlton [mailto:connie@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
I'm curious about your mention of aborted fetal tissue being in vaccines.
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the South Dakota Journal of Medicine. Many websites misquote the actual
text and give the impression that fetuses are being aborted and harvested
for the production of this vaccine, when in fact, as the following text
describes, tissue was taken from 2 embryos 40 years ago and those cells are
reproduced in the laboratory (the cells not the embryos) and have saved
thousands of lives as a result.
I think this an important distinction. Vaccines are not being made from the
flesh of freshly aborted babies. The cells captured 40 years ago could just
as easily have come from naturally aborted fetuses or miscarriage. It seems
obvious that you'd want to control the cell replication in the laboratory
and not introduce new cell lines and potentially dangerous disease threads
as a result.
Connie
Fallacy: Aborted fetuses are routinely used to manufacture Varivax(r).
Facts: Human diploid fibroblast cell lines are used to produce several
different vaccines. Human diploid cells are immature cells that can be grown
indefinitely and readily support viral growth. Currently, there are two
human diploid cell lines in use, WI-38 and MRC-5. Both of these cell lines
were developed from lung tissue of two therapeutically aborted fetuses in
1961 and 1966. The medical reasons for the abortions were independent
decisions unrelated to the production of the human diploid fibroblast cells
or vaccines. All human diploid cells used in the past and today for vaccine
production come from the WI-38 andMRC-5 cell lines.14 Dr. Takahashi and
colleagues developed the Oka master seed virus and from this the various
varicella vaccines are produced.10,15
-----Original Message-----
From: Saga [mailto:mom@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
We are right in the middle of moving right now, and can't seem to locate
my
folder of vaccine information. But I have a list of ingredients for all
the
major vaccines. The vaccines are grown and strained in various tissues,
human or animal, like monkey kidney, chicken embryos, etc. For rubella,
hepatitis A and chicken-pox vaccines they use human diploid cells, which
come from the organs of aborted fetuses. Now, I must admit I can't recall
if any of the fetus "cells" (from the cell line) are actually in the
vaccine, but it is on an ingredients list.
I must make clear that no new fetuses are being used, the cell line has
been
established, so unless they feel need to establish another cell line, they
will not use another fetus.
Some of these fetuses were aborted over 20 years ago so it may be well
removed from the incidence for some people for ethical reasons, and there
are churches that agree with this belief, that its been so long it is all
right to use the vaccine.
I was first introduced this information in an article in Mothering
magazine.
I hope that helps, and hope I didn't mislead anyone in my statement, I get
a
little worked up sometimes when it comes to such issues :) and I may have
been unclear as to what I was talking about.
Hope that helps!
Kristi
-----Original Message-----
From: Connie Carlton [mailto:connie@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
I'm curious about your mention of aborted fetal tissue being in vaccines.
>From which source did you derive that information?Connie
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/8/2001 9:43:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
connie@... writes:
for religious, medical, and philosophical reasons in most states, although
some states only allow one or two of those three. Of course, they don't like
you to know that you have that right, because then you might exercise your
freedom to do so.
I don't vaccinate for several reasons, the main one being that it is my
opinion that vaccinations do much more harm than good, overall. I think my
immune system was made to fight off disease in the best way possible, and I
don't like tinkering with it my putting foreign substances in it. I have many
other reasons and beliefs, but that's all for now.
lovemary
There are no mistakes, no coincidences. All events are blessings given to us
to learn from. - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
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connie@... writes:
> Those are your choices.Actually, you have more choices than that. You can opt out of vaccinations
>
for religious, medical, and philosophical reasons in most states, although
some states only allow one or two of those three. Of course, they don't like
you to know that you have that right, because then you might exercise your
freedom to do so.
I don't vaccinate for several reasons, the main one being that it is my
opinion that vaccinations do much more harm than good, overall. I think my
immune system was made to fight off disease in the best way possible, and I
don't like tinkering with it my putting foreign substances in it. I have many
other reasons and beliefs, but that's all for now.
lovemary
There are no mistakes, no coincidences. All events are blessings given to us
to learn from. - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/8/2001 12:30:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
connie@... writes:
can use in making this decision. Lifes are saved and lost on both sides, so I
have to look deep within myself and listen to my inner knowing and make that
decision for myself and my own family and respect others right to make a
decision for themselves, and try to refrain from ridicule or shaming them in
explaining my own decision.
lovemary
There are no mistakes, no coincidences. All events are blessings given to us
to learn from. - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
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connie@... writes:
> and have savedand have destroyed many lives as well. I don't think that is the criteria I
> thousands of lives as a result.
>
can use in making this decision. Lifes are saved and lost on both sides, so I
have to look deep within myself and listen to my inner knowing and make that
decision for myself and my own family and respect others right to make a
decision for themselves, and try to refrain from ridicule or shaming them in
explaining my own decision.
lovemary
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to learn from. - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
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Connie Carlton
You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken pox. Some
people may have had chicken pox in a very mild form and never knew they had
it... or they had it as a child and their parents didn't remember. It
appears (and I didn't know this!) that if you get the chicken pox vaccine
you're less likely to ever suffer from shingles! Wow! Now I wish my kids
had gotten the vaccine rather than having had chicken pox. Thanks for
asking the question--learn something new everyday.
Here's a link that describes it in more detail:
http://www.aftershingles.com/shingles.html#what_is
Connie
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
Can anyone explain shingles? What is it? Can you get shingles if you
DID have chicken pox or if you DID NOT have chicken pox?
Mary Ellen
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people may have had chicken pox in a very mild form and never knew they had
it... or they had it as a child and their parents didn't remember. It
appears (and I didn't know this!) that if you get the chicken pox vaccine
you're less likely to ever suffer from shingles! Wow! Now I wish my kids
had gotten the vaccine rather than having had chicken pox. Thanks for
asking the question--learn something new everyday.
Here's a link that describes it in more detail:
http://www.aftershingles.com/shingles.html#what_is
Connie
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From: megates@... [mailto:megates@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
Can anyone explain shingles? What is it? Can you get shingles if you
DID have chicken pox or if you DID NOT have chicken pox?
Mary Ellen
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Lynne Thompson
My main objection to mandatory vaccinations is the
mandatory part. What gives the government the right
to tell me what is best for my children regarding
their health or education. For me the right thing to
do is look at each shot individually. Some are better
than others. I also do not abide by the schedule,
which I feel is the governments way of getting as many
shots as possible into as many people as possible
(since the first year of life is when they see the
doctor the most). My last pedi said as much to me
because since I wasn't doing shots and my daughter was
healthy, she felt that I didn't need to come in
according to the regular schedule. She also did not
vaccinate her child according to the govt schedule.
To vaccinate or not to vaccinate is a personal family
decision. My gripe comes not from the choices of
others, but from ignorance. It is wise to look at
both sides and then make your decision. Blindly
following what others are doing is always a mistake.
Lynne
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mandatory part. What gives the government the right
to tell me what is best for my children regarding
their health or education. For me the right thing to
do is look at each shot individually. Some are better
than others. I also do not abide by the schedule,
which I feel is the governments way of getting as many
shots as possible into as many people as possible
(since the first year of life is when they see the
doctor the most). My last pedi said as much to me
because since I wasn't doing shots and my daughter was
healthy, she felt that I didn't need to come in
according to the regular schedule. She also did not
vaccinate her child according to the govt schedule.
To vaccinate or not to vaccinate is a personal family
decision. My gripe comes not from the choices of
others, but from ignorance. It is wise to look at
both sides and then make your decision. Blindly
following what others are doing is always a mistake.
Lynne
mommy to Isaiah 6, Johanna 2, and ?
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In a message dated 8/8/01 13:26:09, connie@... writes:
<< You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken pox. >>
You can get shingles also if you've been vaccinated. Kimme
<< You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken pox. >>
You can get shingles also if you've been vaccinated. Kimme
Connie Carlton
Yes, that is what I thought, but it appears that the vaccine lessons the
chance of a recurrence of the virus in the form of herpes zoster.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:39 PM
To: [email protected]
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In a message dated 8/8/01 13:26:09, connie@... writes:
<< You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken pox.
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chance of a recurrence of the virus in the form of herpes zoster.
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In a message dated 8/8/01 13:26:09, connie@... writes:
<< You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken pox.
>>You can get shingles also if you've been vaccinated. Kimme
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Lynda
Well, I don't know what "base" they are using for Hep B now, but they were
using blood and compliments of that folks given the vaccine are now testing
positive for HIV! Supposedly they have "cured" the problem.
Lynda
using blood and compliments of that folks given the vaccine are now testing
positive for HIV! Supposedly they have "cured" the problem.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Saga <mom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
> We are right in the middle of moving right now, and can't seem to locate
my
> folder of vaccine information. But I have a list of ingredients for all
the
> major vaccines. The vaccines are grown and strained in various tissues,
> human or animal, like monkey kidney, chicken embryos, etc. For rubella,
> hepatitis A and chicken-pox vaccines they use human diploid cells, which
> come from the organs of aborted fetuses. Now, I must admit I can't recall
> if any of the fetus "cells" (from the cell line) are actually in the
> vaccine, but it is on an ingredients list.
> I must make clear that no new fetuses are being used, the cell line has
been
> established, so unless they feel need to establish another cell line, they
> will not use another fetus.
> Some of these fetuses were aborted over 20 years ago so it may be well
> removed from the incidence for some people for ethical reasons, and there
> are churches that agree with this belief, that its been so long it is all
> right to use the vaccine.
> I was first introduced this information in an article in Mothering
magazine.
>
> I hope that helps, and hope I didn't mislead anyone in my statement, I get
a
> little worked up sometimes when it comes to such issues :) and I may have
> been unclear as to what I was talking about.
>
> Hope that helps!
> Kristi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Connie Carlton [mailto:connie@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:38 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
> requirements(?)
>
>
> I'm curious about your mention of aborted fetal tissue being in vaccines.
> >From which source did you derive that information?
>
> Connie
>
>
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Lynda
Your information on shingles is not correct. In fact, it would appear to be
the reverse. For starters, the vaccine has been known to cause shingles in
children. Shingles is usually seen in folks over 50. There have been no
studies done to date that would be able to tell whether or not anyone will
get shingles because the vaccine has not been around long enough to give
that data. Further, shingles only effects a tiny percent of adults who had
chicken pox.
According to the National Vaccine Information Center, many healthcare
professionals are very concerned that the live vaccine virus may "reactivate
later in life in the form of herpes zoster (shingles) or other immune system
disorders."
Now, since it is a "live" vaccine, it will reside in the body no differently
than the actual virus itself. And since it has shown itself to do what
chicken pox doesn't normally do (cause shingles in children), then it would
be logical to figure that it has a much more likely outlook of causing a
higher percentage of cases in adults.
You also have to look at what has happened with the MMR vaccine. Noteably
that mothers who had measles gave an immunity to their infants. Babies
rarely got measles if their mothers had had measles as a child. There is an
80% increase in measles in infants whose mothers did not get measles but
instead had the shots. The odds are that the same thing will happen to
children of mothers who get the VERIVAX shots.
Chicken pox is a live vaccine and since children frequently get a mild case,
immunized children are a threat to pregnant women. Particularly as the mild
case they get is not usually evident.
Also, several large medical facilities either opposed the licensing of
VARIVAX or do not recommend it to their patients--Department of Pediatrics,
St. Luke's Medical Center, California's Pacificare Health Systems HMO and
others.
Then there is the other problem with the MMR vaccine and which they think
may also happen with VARIVAX. There is now atypical measles which is only
seen in people who have had the MMR vaccine.
There is too much that isn't known about VARIVAX. AND, chicken pox is not
that big a problem and the vaccine will leave the vaccinated children
unprotected as adults (they don't even know how long it is good for but say
6 to 10 years) when the death rates from chicken pox are 10 to 20 times
higher.
Also, since shingles occurs when a person loses their immunity to the virus,
and it is believed that the immunity created by the shot only lasts 6 to 10
years, it would appear that there is every likely hood that there could be
an increase in the cases of shingles.
Folks should also be advised by their doc that the vaccine contains two
forms of MSG. According to the FDA, MSG is not advised for infants,
children, or pregnant women or children of childbearing age, and people with
affective (mental/emotional) disorders. Also, it contains gelatin and trace
amounts of neomycin.
Lynda
the reverse. For starters, the vaccine has been known to cause shingles in
children. Shingles is usually seen in folks over 50. There have been no
studies done to date that would be able to tell whether or not anyone will
get shingles because the vaccine has not been around long enough to give
that data. Further, shingles only effects a tiny percent of adults who had
chicken pox.
According to the National Vaccine Information Center, many healthcare
professionals are very concerned that the live vaccine virus may "reactivate
later in life in the form of herpes zoster (shingles) or other immune system
disorders."
Now, since it is a "live" vaccine, it will reside in the body no differently
than the actual virus itself. And since it has shown itself to do what
chicken pox doesn't normally do (cause shingles in children), then it would
be logical to figure that it has a much more likely outlook of causing a
higher percentage of cases in adults.
You also have to look at what has happened with the MMR vaccine. Noteably
that mothers who had measles gave an immunity to their infants. Babies
rarely got measles if their mothers had had measles as a child. There is an
80% increase in measles in infants whose mothers did not get measles but
instead had the shots. The odds are that the same thing will happen to
children of mothers who get the VERIVAX shots.
Chicken pox is a live vaccine and since children frequently get a mild case,
immunized children are a threat to pregnant women. Particularly as the mild
case they get is not usually evident.
Also, several large medical facilities either opposed the licensing of
VARIVAX or do not recommend it to their patients--Department of Pediatrics,
St. Luke's Medical Center, California's Pacificare Health Systems HMO and
others.
Then there is the other problem with the MMR vaccine and which they think
may also happen with VARIVAX. There is now atypical measles which is only
seen in people who have had the MMR vaccine.
There is too much that isn't known about VARIVAX. AND, chicken pox is not
that big a problem and the vaccine will leave the vaccinated children
unprotected as adults (they don't even know how long it is good for but say
6 to 10 years) when the death rates from chicken pox are 10 to 20 times
higher.
Also, since shingles occurs when a person loses their immunity to the virus,
and it is believed that the immunity created by the shot only lasts 6 to 10
years, it would appear that there is every likely hood that there could be
an increase in the cases of shingles.
Folks should also be advised by their doc that the vaccine contains two
forms of MSG. According to the FDA, MSG is not advised for infants,
children, or pregnant women or children of childbearing age, and people with
affective (mental/emotional) disorders. Also, it contains gelatin and trace
amounts of neomycin.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Carlton <connie@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
> You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken pox.
Some
> people may have had chicken pox in a very mild form and never knew they
had
> it... or they had it as a child and their parents didn't remember. It
> appears (and I didn't know this!) that if you get the chicken pox vaccine
> you're less likely to ever suffer from shingles! Wow! Now I wish my kids
> had gotten the vaccine rather than having had chicken pox. Thanks for
> asking the question--learn something new everyday.
>
> Here's a link that describes it in more detail:
>
> http://www.aftershingles.com/shingles.html#what_is
>
> Connie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: megates@... [mailto:megates@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:22 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
> requirements(?)
>
>
> Can anyone explain shingles? What is it? Can you get shingles if you
> DID have chicken pox or if you DID NOT have chicken pox?
>
> Mary Ellen
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Lynda
Connie,
There is no evidence to support that. The vaccine hasn't been around long
enough to show one way or the other. Most cases of shingles occur in folks
over 50. The vaccine has only been around 20 years.
However, they do know that the vaccine causes shingles in at least 1 out of
1000 children. Chicken pox was less than 1 out of 10,000 children.
Lynda
There is no evidence to support that. The vaccine hasn't been around long
enough to show one way or the other. Most cases of shingles occur in folks
over 50. The vaccine has only been around 20 years.
However, they do know that the vaccine causes shingles in at least 1 out of
1000 children. Chicken pox was less than 1 out of 10,000 children.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Carlton <connie@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
> Yes, that is what I thought, but it appears that the vaccine lessons the
> chance of a recurrence of the virus in the form of herpes zoster.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: squeaksoup@... [mailto:squeaksoup@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:39 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
> requirements(?)
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/8/01 13:26:09, connie@... writes:
>
> << You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken
pox.
> >>
>
> You can get shingles also if you've been vaccinated. Kimme
>
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Connie Carlton
It appears there is a great deal of misinformation on shingles, including
those you cite about older people. According to the stats I read, 10 to 20%
of Americans will have a bout of shingles at some time in their lives.
That's not a "tiny percent."
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynda [mailto:lurine@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
Your information on shingles is not correct. In fact, it would appear to
be
the reverse. For starters, the vaccine has been known to cause shingles
in
children. Shingles is usually seen in folks over 50. There have been no
studies done to date that would be able to tell whether or not anyone will
get shingles because the vaccine has not been around long enough to give
that data. Further, shingles only effects a tiny percent of adults who
had
chicken pox.
According to the National Vaccine Information Center, many healthcare
professionals are very concerned that the live vaccine virus may
"reactivate
later in life in the form of herpes zoster (shingles) or other immune
system
disorders."
Now, since it is a "live" vaccine, it will reside in the body no
differently
than the actual virus itself. And since it has shown itself to do what
chicken pox doesn't normally do (cause shingles in children), then it
would
be logical to figure that it has a much more likely outlook of causing a
higher percentage of cases in adults.
You also have to look at what has happened with the MMR vaccine. Noteably
that mothers who had measles gave an immunity to their infants. Babies
rarely got measles if their mothers had had measles as a child. There is
an
80% increase in measles in infants whose mothers did not get measles but
instead had the shots. The odds are that the same thing will happen to
children of mothers who get the VERIVAX shots.
Chicken pox is a live vaccine and since children frequently get a mild
case,
immunized children are a threat to pregnant women. Particularly as the
mild
case they get is not usually evident.
Also, several large medical facilities either opposed the licensing of
VARIVAX or do not recommend it to their patients--Department of
Pediatrics,
St. Luke's Medical Center, California's Pacificare Health Systems HMO and
others.
Then there is the other problem with the MMR vaccine and which they think
may also happen with VARIVAX. There is now atypical measles which is only
seen in people who have had the MMR vaccine.
There is too much that isn't known about VARIVAX. AND, chicken pox is not
that big a problem and the vaccine will leave the vaccinated children
unprotected as adults (they don't even know how long it is good for but
say
6 to 10 years) when the death rates from chicken pox are 10 to 20 times
higher.
Also, since shingles occurs when a person loses their immunity to the
virus,
and it is believed that the immunity created by the shot only lasts 6 to
10
years, it would appear that there is every likely hood that there could be
an increase in the cases of shingles.
Folks should also be advised by their doc that the vaccine contains two
forms of MSG. According to the FDA, MSG is not advised for infants,
children, or pregnant women or children of childbearing age, and people
with
affective (mental/emotional) disorders. Also, it contains gelatin and
trace
amounts of neomycin.
Lynda
those you cite about older people. According to the stats I read, 10 to 20%
of Americans will have a bout of shingles at some time in their lives.
That's not a "tiny percent."
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynda [mailto:lurine@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
Your information on shingles is not correct. In fact, it would appear to
be
the reverse. For starters, the vaccine has been known to cause shingles
in
children. Shingles is usually seen in folks over 50. There have been no
studies done to date that would be able to tell whether or not anyone will
get shingles because the vaccine has not been around long enough to give
that data. Further, shingles only effects a tiny percent of adults who
had
chicken pox.
According to the National Vaccine Information Center, many healthcare
professionals are very concerned that the live vaccine virus may
"reactivate
later in life in the form of herpes zoster (shingles) or other immune
system
disorders."
Now, since it is a "live" vaccine, it will reside in the body no
differently
than the actual virus itself. And since it has shown itself to do what
chicken pox doesn't normally do (cause shingles in children), then it
would
be logical to figure that it has a much more likely outlook of causing a
higher percentage of cases in adults.
You also have to look at what has happened with the MMR vaccine. Noteably
that mothers who had measles gave an immunity to their infants. Babies
rarely got measles if their mothers had had measles as a child. There is
an
80% increase in measles in infants whose mothers did not get measles but
instead had the shots. The odds are that the same thing will happen to
children of mothers who get the VERIVAX shots.
Chicken pox is a live vaccine and since children frequently get a mild
case,
immunized children are a threat to pregnant women. Particularly as the
mild
case they get is not usually evident.
Also, several large medical facilities either opposed the licensing of
VARIVAX or do not recommend it to their patients--Department of
Pediatrics,
St. Luke's Medical Center, California's Pacificare Health Systems HMO and
others.
Then there is the other problem with the MMR vaccine and which they think
may also happen with VARIVAX. There is now atypical measles which is only
seen in people who have had the MMR vaccine.
There is too much that isn't known about VARIVAX. AND, chicken pox is not
that big a problem and the vaccine will leave the vaccinated children
unprotected as adults (they don't even know how long it is good for but
say
6 to 10 years) when the death rates from chicken pox are 10 to 20 times
higher.
Also, since shingles occurs when a person loses their immunity to the
virus,
and it is believed that the immunity created by the shot only lasts 6 to
10
years, it would appear that there is every likely hood that there could be
an increase in the cases of shingles.
Folks should also be advised by their doc that the vaccine contains two
forms of MSG. According to the FDA, MSG is not advised for infants,
children, or pregnant women or children of childbearing age, and people
with
affective (mental/emotional) disorders. Also, it contains gelatin and
trace
amounts of neomycin.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Carlton <connie@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
> You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken pox.
Some
> people may have had chicken pox in a very mild form and never knew they
had
> it... or they had it as a child and their parents didn't remember. It
> appears (and I didn't know this!) that if you get the chicken pox
vaccine
> you're less likely to ever suffer from shingles! Wow! Now I wish my
kids
> had gotten the vaccine rather than having had chicken pox. Thanks for
> asking the question--learn something new everyday.
>
> Here's a link that describes it in more detail:
>
> http://www.aftershingles.com/shingles.html#what_is
>
> Connie
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> Can anyone explain shingles? What is it? Can you get shingles if you
> DID have chicken pox or if you DID NOT have chicken pox?
>
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Is it the vaccine that is causing the shingles or, as is the case with
chicken pox, that these children already had chicken pox and then developed
shingles?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynda [mailto:lurine@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
Connie,
There is no evidence to support that. The vaccine hasn't been around long
enough to show one way or the other. Most cases of shingles occur in
folks
over 50. The vaccine has only been around 20 years.
However, they do know that the vaccine causes shingles in at least 1 out
of
1000 children. Chicken pox was less than 1 out of 10,000 children.
Lynda
chicken pox, that these children already had chicken pox and then developed
shingles?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynda [mailto:lurine@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 12:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
Connie,
There is no evidence to support that. The vaccine hasn't been around long
enough to show one way or the other. Most cases of shingles occur in
folks
over 50. The vaccine has only been around 20 years.
However, they do know that the vaccine causes shingles in at least 1 out
of
1000 children. Chicken pox was less than 1 out of 10,000 children.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Carlton <connie@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
requirements(?)
> Yes, that is what I thought, but it appears that the vaccine lessons the
> chance of a recurrence of the virus in the form of herpes zoster.
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:39 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
> requirements(?)
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/8/01 13:26:09, connie@... writes:
>
> << You can only get shingles (Herpes Zoster) if you have HAD chicken
pox.
> >>
>
> You can get shingles also if you've been vaccinated. Kimme
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Lynda,
Thanks for all that information. I use my intuition on things of this nature
a lot, but I enjoy reading factual information. Could you tell me the source
you got this from, so I can keep it in my files? I appreciate the time you
take to post this.
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Thanks for all that information. I use my intuition on things of this nature
a lot, but I enjoy reading factual information. Could you tell me the source
you got this from, so I can keep it in my files? I appreciate the time you
take to post this.
lovemary
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to learn from. - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
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simpsons
anybody know how to get rid of or prevent lice? naturally!
----- Original Message -----
From: lite2yu@...
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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot requirements(?)
Lynda,
Thanks for all that information. I use my intuition on things of this nature
a lot, but I enjoy reading factual information. Could you tell me the source
you got this from, so I can keep it in my files? I appreciate the time you
take to post this.
lovemary
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to learn from. - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
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on 8/8/01 9:51 PM, lite2yu@... wrote:
of the other.
There was a good article in Consumer Reports this month, August 2001, on
vaccinations with a great deal more balanced information to draw conclusions
from than websites devoted specifically to convincing people vaccines are
bad (or convincing people vaccines are good for that matter).
Joyce
>> and have savedThe numbers aren't equal though. It's certainly not six of one, half dozen
>> thousands of lives as a result.
>>
>
> and have destroyed many lives as well.
of the other.
There was a good article in Consumer Reports this month, August 2001, on
vaccinations with a great deal more balanced information to draw conclusions
from than websites devoted specifically to convincing people vaccines are
bad (or convincing people vaccines are good for that matter).
Joyce
Tia Leschke
At 09:52 AM 09/08/01 -0400, you wrote:
will kill the adults. For prevention, add a few drops of tea tree oil to
the shampoo and use it regularly.
Tia
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>anybody know how to get rid of or prevent lice? naturally!As someone else said....pick the nits. Get them all. The oil treatment
will kill the adults. For prevention, add a few drops of tea tree oil to
the shampoo and use it regularly.
Tia
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marianne
-
can buy tea tree shampoo and conditioner too - but they are quite
pricey.
And use the *nit comb*..............
My dd caught them on year when she was at school. She has thick
hair, and by the time we realized she had them thye were very well
establshed. Everytime we thought she had got rid of them, they would
reappear. It took about 6 months to get rid of them all together.
Just remember, lice prefere CLEAN hair!!!!!
Marianne
>treatment
> As someone else said....pick the nits. Get them all. The oil
> will kill the adults. For prevention, add a few drops of tea treeoil to
> the shampoo and use it regularly.I was going to suggest the same as Tia. Tea tree oil. I believe you
> Tia
>
can buy tea tree shampoo and conditioner too - but they are quite
pricey.
And use the *nit comb*..............
My dd caught them on year when she was at school. She has thick
hair, and by the time we realized she had them thye were very well
establshed. Everytime we thought she had got rid of them, they would
reappear. It took about 6 months to get rid of them all together.
Just remember, lice prefere CLEAN hair!!!!!
Marianne
Connie Carlton
I shudder to remind everyone what the real homeopathic, non-chemical remedy
for lice used to be... shave the head. It may be brutal, but it will work!
-----Original Message-----
From: marianne [mailto:tonitoni@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Lice
-
can buy tea tree shampoo and conditioner too - but they are quite
pricey.
And use the *nit comb*..............
My dd caught them on year when she was at school. She has thick
hair, and by the time we realized she had them thye were very well
establshed. Everytime we thought she had got rid of them, they would
reappear. It took about 6 months to get rid of them all together.
Just remember, lice prefere CLEAN hair!!!!!
Marianne
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for lice used to be... shave the head. It may be brutal, but it will work!
-----Original Message-----
From: marianne [mailto:tonitoni@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Lice
-
>treatment
> As someone else said....pick the nits. Get them all. The oil
> will kill the adults. For prevention, add a few drops of tea treeoil to
> the shampoo and use it regularly.I was going to suggest the same as Tia. Tea tree oil. I believe you
> Tia
>
can buy tea tree shampoo and conditioner too - but they are quite
pricey.
And use the *nit comb*..............
My dd caught them on year when she was at school. She has thick
hair, and by the time we realized she had them thye were very well
establshed. Everytime we thought she had got rid of them, they would
reappear. It took about 6 months to get rid of them all together.
Just remember, lice prefere CLEAN hair!!!!!
Marianne
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That was my first thought also!
Laura
Laura
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Connie Carlton" <connie@c...> wrote:
> I shudder to remind everyone what the real homeopathic, non-
chemical remedy
> for lice used to be... shave the head. It may be brutal, but it
will work!
Tia Leschke
At 02:03 PM 09/08/01 -0500, you wrote:
still for nit-picking or get it buzzed. She chose getting it buzzed. My
daughter was a single parent at the time and didn't have anyone to pick
nits. She buzzed hers as well. But if you're willing to do the
nit-picking, it works.
Tia
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>I shudder to remind everyone what the real homeopathic, non-chemical remedyMy daughter and granddaughter did that. Skye was given the choice - sit
>for lice used to be... shave the head. It may be brutal, but it will work!
still for nit-picking or get it buzzed. She chose getting it buzzed. My
daughter was a single parent at the time and didn't have anyone to pick
nits. She buzzed hers as well. But if you're willing to do the
nit-picking, it works.
Tia
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Castle Crawford
I shudder to remind everyone what the real homeopathic, non-chemical remedy
for lice used to be... shave the head. It may be brutal, but it will work!
We took that route with out 5 year old when he came home from a weekend with grandma (she had made him try on 'sock hats' at the store-I can only guess that is how he got them) At any rate, I was pg and in NO mood to deal with a hyper kid who hates hair washing even without the stinky shampoo.
I stuck him in the tub, shaved his head with a beard trimmer, and tossed his clothes in the dryer for about 3 cycles and never saw any signs of return.
Esther
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for lice used to be... shave the head. It may be brutal, but it will work!
We took that route with out 5 year old when he came home from a weekend with grandma (she had made him try on 'sock hats' at the store-I can only guess that is how he got them) At any rate, I was pg and in NO mood to deal with a hyper kid who hates hair washing even without the stinky shampoo.
I stuck him in the tub, shaved his head with a beard trimmer, and tossed his clothes in the dryer for about 3 cycles and never saw any signs of return.
Esther
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frances faber
If you wash your hair once an hour for 24 hours, I believe it will break the
lifecycle of the louse. I don't think that you need to use special shampoo
or combs.
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lifecycle of the louse. I don't think that you need to use special shampoo
or combs.
Frances
>From: "simpsons" <michigan@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
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>Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:52:02 -0400
>
>anybody know how to get rid of or prevent lice? naturally!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lite2yu@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
>requirements(?)
>
>
> Lynda,
>
> Thanks for all that information. I use my intuition on things of this
>nature
> a lot, but I enjoy reading factual information. Could you tell me the
>source
> you got this from, so I can keep it in my files? I appreciate the time
>you
> take to post this.
>
> lovemary
>
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>to us
> to learn from. - Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
>
>
>
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If you wash your hair once an hour for 24 hours, I believe it will break the
lifecycle of the louse. I don't think that you need to use special shampoo
or combs.
Frances
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lifecycle of the louse. I don't think that you need to use special shampoo
or combs.
Frances
>From: "simpsons" <michigan@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
>requirements(?)
>Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:52:02 -0400
>
>anybody know how to get rid of or prevent lice? naturally!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lite2yu@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about the objection of shot
>requirements(?)
>
>
> Lynda,
>
> Thanks for all that information. I use my intuition on things of this
>nature
> a lot, but I enjoy reading factual information. Could you tell me the
>source
> you got this from, so I can keep it in my files? I appreciate the time
>you
> take to post this.
>
> lovemary
>
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>to us
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>
>
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>If you wash your hair once an hour for 24 hours, I believe it will break theNever heard of that one. I can just imagine waking a kid up every hour all
>lifecycle of the louse. I don't think that you need to use special shampoo
>or combs.
night long to wash his or her hair........not. And I'd be really surprised
if that killed the nits, which is why you have to do the combing.
Tia
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