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> The Kincaid study says "babies are being used as guinea pigs now." The
> National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, under the auspices
> of the federal Department of Health and Human Services, is sponsoring an
> HIV vaccine test on babies born to HIV-infected women.
Not that I like to jump on the bandwagon, but... if this is really true and
they are giving this vaccine to babies born to women who are already
infected, and some of the children are becoming infected, are they getting
infected from their mothers or the vaccine? I don't know, but if I were
infected... I might take the risk and vaccinate my child.
> A spokesman for this program, where mothers have no ability to provide
> informed written consent, has admitted that "a small percentage of our
> trial applicants have become infected" and now have access to "the best
> medical care available."
Why do these mothers have no ability to provide informed written consent? If
they are told the risks (1. your baby may already have the disease. or 2. we
don't know if the baby has it or not, but we can give your child a fighting
chance by administrating this vaccine, although your child may have already
contracted the disease from you, and/or there is a possibility the vaccine
may cause your child to have the disease AND if that is so, either way, we
will give your child the best care available. Care you would not be able to
provide otherwise.) I don't know if the medical professionals are telling the
mothers this or not, I would hope that this would be the case (morally and
legally) then why do they not have informed consent?
> U.N. leader Anan and Dr. Anthony Fauci, who has engaged in extensive
> research on AIDS, think an AIDS vaccine just may be a "secret weapon."
Huh?!? Secret weapon? for what? against what? This whole thing sounds very
scary! I have a dd 7 and a ds 5, and if this is true, I like many of you face
having to make a very hard decision in the near future! As a former nurse, I
have seen what not getting vaccines can do, and have and firmly believe in
giving children vaccines (but understand and respect those who choose not to
do so, although I really don't agree.) But this sounds totally different!
Would we be subject to prosecution? Those with Tuberculosis, who refuse to
take their medication, can be and are prosecuted and put into custody at a
hospital, in an isolation room until they comply with their med. regime!
Would they do this to those of us who would choose not to take the risk of an
AIDS vaccine? How very scary!!! Although this sounds like something radical
and possibly just another one of those things people send around, it very
well may be something we need to keep in the back of our minds as a little
red light! I am definitely interested in hearing others opinions on this
subject! ~Nancy


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Lynda

Several vaccines have been tested over the last 20 years where no informed
consent has been given. Hep B and Hep A are two. There are clinics in the
U.S. and U.S. supported clinics worldwide that are used to do the testing.
They don't inform, they just test.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <OZMOM504@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:40 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] AIDS vaccine!!!


> > The Kincaid study says "babies are being used as guinea pigs now." The
> > National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, under the
auspices
> > of the federal Department of Health and Human Services, is sponsoring an
> > HIV vaccine test on babies born to HIV-infected women.
> Not that I like to jump on the bandwagon, but... if this is really true
and
> they are giving this vaccine to babies born to women who are already
> infected, and some of the children are becoming infected, are they getting
> infected from their mothers or the vaccine? I don't know, but if I were
> infected... I might take the risk and vaccinate my child.
> > A spokesman for this program, where mothers have no ability to provide
> > informed written consent, has admitted that "a small percentage of our
> > trial applicants have become infected" and now have access to "the best
> > medical care available."
> Why do these mothers have no ability to provide informed written consent?
If
> they are told the risks (1. your baby may already have the disease. or 2.
we
> don't know if the baby has it or not, but we can give your child a
fighting
> chance by administrating this vaccine, although your child may have
already
> contracted the disease from you, and/or there is a possibility the vaccine
> may cause your child to have the disease AND if that is so, either way, we
> will give your child the best care available. Care you would not be able
to
> provide otherwise.) I don't know if the medical professionals are telling
the
> mothers this or not, I would hope that this would be the case (morally and
> legally) then why do they not have informed consent?
> > U.N. leader Anan and Dr. Anthony Fauci, who has engaged in extensive
> > research on AIDS, think an AIDS vaccine just may be a "secret weapon."
> Huh?!? Secret weapon? for what? against what? This whole thing sounds very
> scary! I have a dd 7 and a ds 5, and if this is true, I like many of you
face
> having to make a very hard decision in the near future! As a former nurse,
I
> have seen what not getting vaccines can do, and have and firmly believe in
> giving children vaccines (but understand and respect those who choose not
to
> do so, although I really don't agree.) But this sounds totally different!
> Would we be subject to prosecution? Those with Tuberculosis, who refuse to
> take their medication, can be and are prosecuted and put into custody at a
> hospital, in an isolation room until they comply with their med. regime!
> Would they do this to those of us who would choose not to take the risk of
an
> AIDS vaccine? How very scary!!! Although this sounds like something
radical
> and possibly just another one of those things people send around, it very
> well may be something we need to keep in the back of our minds as a little
> red light! I am definitely interested in hearing others opinions on this
> subject! ~Nancy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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