(Fwd) [naturalweaners] Help Dr. McKenna
Tracy Oldfield
Thought someone might find this interesting...
Tracy
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To: <[email protected]>
From: "Salli Gamez" <bunnytiner@...>
Date sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:18:07 -0400
Send reply to: [email protected]
Subject: [naturalweaners] Help Dr. McKenna
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I was sure there was SOMEONE who could offer assistance
to Dr. McKenna.
:-)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:30:28 -0400
From: Robert Cordes DO <rcordes@...>
Subject: help with co-sleeping (Jim McKenna)
Jim McKenna asked me to post this=20
Rob
"Dear Everyone:
As late I have come to realize that one huge advantage
the=20
anti-bedsharing camp has against those of us who
support the parent's=20
right to cosleep--are "numbers of deaths" without any
numbers of how=20
many infants or children survived cosleeping---and
numbers of=20
instances in which the cosleeping (with parental
presence) might=20
have actually saved an infant's life. The only evidence
that coroners=20
and forensic pathologists come across, of course,
failures of the=20
worst kind, ---which almost always occur in very
dangerous urban=20
environments environments. It is easy to understand
why so many=20
forensic pathologists have such a bad opinion of
cosleeping in the=20
form of "bedsharing".
Of course, any infant deaths--whether small or large,
under any=20
circumstance are tragic and impressive. What I am
hoping is that we=20
in the lactation/infant sleep research fields can begin
to provide a=20
different set of numbers. What I have in mind as a
counter defense=20
is also anecdotal--but all of the bedsharing death
statistics that=20
are making the news likewise are also anecdotal.
So hear is the plan. Any improvements to it--are
welcome but here goes.
I am interested in hearing and collecting (and
categorizing) success=20
stories, especially, numbers of parents who
successfully co-slept=20
with any or all of their children, and learning how
they did it, how=20
long they did it, why they did it, and, in retrospect,
what they now=20
think about it. Moreover, I am also interested in
knowing--as would=20
the audiences I speak to and write for---how their
children sleep now=20
or, if the case is such, how they sleep as adults or
teenagers. It=20
would be important to know if the parents were
breastfeeding or=20
not--and whether or not they smoked.
The most important additional question for which I am
asking your=20
assistance is in collecting/tracking down stories
from parents=20
concerning whether or if by cosleeping, they think that
they may have=20
saved their infants life. Through the years, at least
on 25 times or=20
so--parents have come up to me after a lecture and said
that they=20
felt that if they had not been cosleeping, they are
sure that their=20
infant or child would have died., as miost woke up to
find their=20
infant choking or turning blue. What would be
extremely helpful in=20
these days in which bedsharing and various kinds of
cosleeping are=20
getting such a bad name, by such a few number of
people, is to=20
provide the "good news'--some good numbers...to be able
to provide=20
documented success stories. Do you think you can help
me?
If you can, what I am asking is for you to use any or
all of your=20
resources--and your internet connections/chat rooms or
whatever, to=20
collect on line--such stories. I would ask the mother
or father to=20
talk about exactly what happened, in as much detail as
possible,=20
including th enature of their "beds" and
characteristics of their=20
sleep environment or anything they they think was
important to the=20
outcome.
Either you could put out some questions in some
standard=20
questionnaire out to your own personal network or
listserv --or=20
simply that--if there is a story to be told, that
Professor McKenna=20
(James.J.McKenna.25@...) would love to receive it--
in order to=20
document. Of course, if any of this is relevant to you,
too--please=20
provide your own personal experience too. I will print
it off my=20
computer and tabulate! Although all names would never
be published,=20
it would be most useful to have them, if people feel
comfortable=20
giving them. But I leave this to you. In any event--
any help you can=20
give here will be appreciated.
Thank you for your help,
jim mckenna " =20
Robert Cordes, D.O.
general pediatrician
Wilkes Barre, PA
mailto:rcordes@...
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Tracy
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To: <[email protected]>
From: "Salli Gamez" <bunnytiner@...>
Date sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:18:07 -0400
Send reply to: [email protected]
Subject: [naturalweaners] Help Dr. McKenna
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I was sure there was SOMEONE who could offer assistance
to Dr. McKenna.
:-)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:30:28 -0400
From: Robert Cordes DO <rcordes@...>
Subject: help with co-sleeping (Jim McKenna)
Jim McKenna asked me to post this=20
Rob
"Dear Everyone:
As late I have come to realize that one huge advantage
the=20
anti-bedsharing camp has against those of us who
support the parent's=20
right to cosleep--are "numbers of deaths" without any
numbers of how=20
many infants or children survived cosleeping---and
numbers of=20
instances in which the cosleeping (with parental
presence) might=20
have actually saved an infant's life. The only evidence
that coroners=20
and forensic pathologists come across, of course,
failures of the=20
worst kind, ---which almost always occur in very
dangerous urban=20
environments environments. It is easy to understand
why so many=20
forensic pathologists have such a bad opinion of
cosleeping in the=20
form of "bedsharing".
Of course, any infant deaths--whether small or large,
under any=20
circumstance are tragic and impressive. What I am
hoping is that we=20
in the lactation/infant sleep research fields can begin
to provide a=20
different set of numbers. What I have in mind as a
counter defense=20
is also anecdotal--but all of the bedsharing death
statistics that=20
are making the news likewise are also anecdotal.
So hear is the plan. Any improvements to it--are
welcome but here goes.
I am interested in hearing and collecting (and
categorizing) success=20
stories, especially, numbers of parents who
successfully co-slept=20
with any or all of their children, and learning how
they did it, how=20
long they did it, why they did it, and, in retrospect,
what they now=20
think about it. Moreover, I am also interested in
knowing--as would=20
the audiences I speak to and write for---how their
children sleep now=20
or, if the case is such, how they sleep as adults or
teenagers. It=20
would be important to know if the parents were
breastfeeding or=20
not--and whether or not they smoked.
The most important additional question for which I am
asking your=20
assistance is in collecting/tracking down stories
from parents=20
concerning whether or if by cosleeping, they think that
they may have=20
saved their infants life. Through the years, at least
on 25 times or=20
so--parents have come up to me after a lecture and said
that they=20
felt that if they had not been cosleeping, they are
sure that their=20
infant or child would have died., as miost woke up to
find their=20
infant choking or turning blue. What would be
extremely helpful in=20
these days in which bedsharing and various kinds of
cosleeping are=20
getting such a bad name, by such a few number of
people, is to=20
provide the "good news'--some good numbers...to be able
to provide=20
documented success stories. Do you think you can help
me?
If you can, what I am asking is for you to use any or
all of your=20
resources--and your internet connections/chat rooms or
whatever, to=20
collect on line--such stories. I would ask the mother
or father to=20
talk about exactly what happened, in as much detail as
possible,=20
including th enature of their "beds" and
characteristics of their=20
sleep environment or anything they they think was
important to the=20
outcome.
Either you could put out some questions in some
standard=20
questionnaire out to your own personal network or
listserv --or=20
simply that--if there is a story to be told, that
Professor McKenna=20
(James.J.McKenna.25@...) would love to receive it--
in order to=20
document. Of course, if any of this is relevant to you,
too--please=20
provide your own personal experience too. I will print
it off my=20
computer and tabulate! Although all names would never
be published,=20
it would be most useful to have them, if people feel
comfortable=20
giving them. But I leave this to you. In any event--
any help you can=20
give here will be appreciated.
Thank you for your help,
jim mckenna " =20
Robert Cordes, D.O.
general pediatrician
Wilkes Barre, PA
mailto:rcordes@...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Sharon Rudd
Dear Tracy
You may forward this on to Dr. McKenna if you think it
might be useful. I think I answered most of his
questions. It is LONG. I think about this issue a
lot as there is occasionally a death I hear of.
Usually (it seems to me) there is a MISTAKE made that
could have been avoided with a little thought. A
couple of years ago a Navy couple (near where I
live)lost a child when the father smothered the baby
by sleeping on a sofa with her. To me that is a
special circumstance. Sofa's are particular dangerous
to babies and toddlers, anyway. All that upholstery
on three sides, cushions with spaces for little ones
to get wedged into. Then a Papa who accidently fell
asleep. There is a short on the local news every few
months telling parents not to seep with children
......due to the mistake of this person. As if we
should ALL feel guilty.
I SLEPT WITH MY CHILDREN AS BABIES AND TODDLERS AND
EVEN BIGGER
....I have four sons, all breast fed, and all slept
with me. Three are adults now, and the youngest is 7.
The oldest (27)is married (7 years) and cohabitates
(ha!) with his wife. Queen size bed. Hand made quilts.
Second son (25) lives with his girl friend (3 years).
Queen size bed. Hand made quilts.
Third son (20) lives in his own place and rents out
two of the bedrooms to his bachelor friends. It looks
like it too!! They have a band. He sleeps in the
single bed that his Daddy made for him. Hand made
quilts, too.
The littlest (7) sleeps in his room, usually alone in
a double bed (the grownups hand-me-down when we got a
king size) with lots of stuffed animals and pillows,
hand made quilts,after one or both parents read to
him. Mama (me)lays beside him while he falls asleep .
He chats (sometimes interminably).
I did this for the older boys, too. Sometimes, when I
am (was)particularly fatigued I fall asleep, too, and
awaken 1 to 6 hours later and get up. Once in a while
I sleep all night. Sometimes the 7 year old
(now)awakens and comes to climb in (my side of the
bed) with his parents in the early morning. The older
boys did, too.
The oldest and youngest have sleep apnea (as do
Grandparents and the youngest's Daddy). It is my
thought that that may be a source of SIDS......but who
knows? Anyway I monitored their sleep and touched
them to restore breathing when it seems too long
between breaths, to me. It has been documented that
children do adopt the sleep patterns of their mother.
Unfortunately I am and insomniac. Or perhaps
fortunately, as I am always alert to the children. Any
children in the house!! I had custody of a younger
sister.....who lived with me off and on and slept with
me from age 6 months. I also have had other children
stay with me for extended periods of time. I read to
all of them (or sang) and let them talk, and stayed by
them to go to sleep until they seemed to want to be
alone. About age 6,7, or 10 or off and on.....each
one slightly different. More if a crisis was
happening (from their point of view).
HOWEVER I did find that neither of my husbands (first
husband is Daddy to the three older boys....second to
the youngest) was alert to a child in the bed!! ELBOWS
were the worst hazard.
They were also not concerned about nudity. I (it is
just my opinion as a survivor of sexual abuse) do not
feel (think) that children of any age should sleep
with naked adults. Cuddling is good, sex or any hint
of it with children is not. The children may
instinctively want to pursue those inclinations, but
it is up to the care giver to redirect the behaviors.
My husbands did not want to give up sleeping nude due
to my concern for the children. They preferred for
the babies to be elsewhere anyway. So ate sleeping
arrangements were up to me to fit around everyone's
else's needs. As it USUALLY is with most things and
Mamma's and children.
I feel strongly that little children shouldn't have to
be lonely, especially if there is a parent or two, or
grandparent or responsible sibling or SOMEBODY
anywhere near. That SOMEBODY in my house,is me.
To deal with the Daddy problem (problem for me, not
for the Daddy) I stayed awake until EVERYONE was
asleep, (still do)or in their own beds asleep. The
parental bed with the older boys was a double bed..not
big enough!! With the babies I often just held them
all night, in a rocker or in the crook of my arm while
lying down. But I had to stay awake enough to hold
onto them. When they were bigger I ended up balanced
on the side of the children's beds (mattresses on the
floor at first) or holding hands with the older and
huggling (cuddling) the youngest or pushing all the
beds together and having my arms around
everybody.....If there was a baby, he got a side all
to himself as I didn't trust anyone else to stay alert
enough for long enough. Youngest son's Daddy and I
have a king size bed now......the elbow problem was
(is) much easier to deal with and siblings were in
their own rooms in their own beds indulging in the
things teens like to do. However we had a double bed
for the first couple of years. I made a pallet on the
floor, for myself and the baby, for safety. I was too
tired to stay awake all night watching out for Daddy's
elbow or to keep the baby from falling out of the bed.
When he had his own room, (we moved when he was
almost one) there was matress on the floor (he could
climb out of a crib as soon as he could pull
up....about 7 or 8 months...DANGER) The crib was only
used when he was tiny for me to go to the bathroom or
change clothes!! With the matress he noticed if he
fell out, but he wasn't hurt. He could get up from a
nap safely.
I traded the crib to my sister-in-law for a wardrobe.
Her child seep all night from about 2 months...and
NEVER, even at over 2 years old, climbed out! She had
and intercom in his room, which was on a different
floor, even. Dunno if their power ever went out.
Maybe it was battery powered. He never slept in the
parental bed. She attempted to breastfeed,
unsuccessfully. Perhaps not related to sleeping
arrangements. They have two older children from my
brother's first marraige. One of which stayed with me
when she was little (1 year old).
I either sat up or slept with all of my children when
they were ill. Each has been ill with respiratory
flue, one had pneumonia, all had asthma reactions to
flue, third son had an intasaseption, two have sleep
apnea, then there were the ordinary things....chicken
pox (yuck) allergies (stuffy heads, can't breathe)
vomiting, fevers, diarrhea etc, etc. How can a parent
keep track of these things in another room? WHAT IF?
A child could easily aspirate regurgitated yuck. Who
knows WHAT would have happened if I wasn't right
there?
I baby in the bed is sort of like a leaky hot water
bottle!! (not my analogy but I like it) Daddy's seem
more disturbed by the leakiness than I was. But with
the first three sons, the house was COLD. (the toilet
was frozen. My fish bowl froze solid). Even with
footed sleepers and snow suits, I felt that the babies
needed ME to make sure they were warm in the winter (I
did NOT use disposable diapers)....and not too hot in
the HOT summers or with fevers. Cool cloths, fanning,
etc.
My little sister used to pull the covers over her head
to keep warm. She never did learn to leave a
breathing hole! I had to do that for her. As she was
a BIG girl when I got permanent custody of her I would
go into her room and uncover her face. As she
realized her face was uncovered she would pull the
covers up some more, exposing her feet.....then get a
little more chilled and pull them up some more,
uncovering her legs!! and get more chilled.....till I
covered her again. More cover and a night-cap (hat)
didn't help. Then she would get too hot and kick
everything off and get cold again. She has been
married (with 3 children) for 20 years now, has a
queen size bed. She slept with me until I had lovers.
I did not want to share that aspect of my life with
her. (ha!) She did not sleep with my babies. She was
one of those all elbow and knee everywhere type of big
kids. And she might have suffocated them with the
covers pulled up too high or ????? She didn't sleep
in the bed with her babies either. And they all slept
through the night from about 3 weeks (WOW).
My boys don't have children yet. Dunno if they will.
They older three think it may be more than they want
to bother with....it is a lot of that!! And I'm glad
that they acknowledge what they prefer to do with
their time. An ignored child is so sad.
My husband has adult adopted kids of his first wife
(her natural children). She NEVER slept with the
children. Put them in bed, let them cry. Their
daughter, now has two children. She belongs to the
Put Them In Bed And Let Them Cry School, too. The
adult son (Air Force) has two children. His family is
also of that method.
I don't have the heart for Put Them In Bed And Let
Them Cry. Even Dr. Spock disagrees with himself on
that!
Hope this is useful.
Sharon Oh.......and I don't smoke. And nobody else
ever smoked in the house. How is this realted?
--- Tracy Oldfield <tracy.oldfield@...>
wrote:
instances in which the cosleeping (with parental
parents who successfully co-slept with any or all of
their children, and learning how they did it, how
am also interested in knowing--as would the audiences
I speak to and write for---how their children sleep
now or, if the case is such, how they sleep as adults
or teenagers. It would be important to know if the
parents were breastfeeding or not--and whether or not
they smoked.
The most important additional question for which I
am asking youassistance is incollecting/tracking down
stories from parents concerning whether or if by
cosleeping, they think that they may have saved their
infants life.
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You may forward this on to Dr. McKenna if you think it
might be useful. I think I answered most of his
questions. It is LONG. I think about this issue a
lot as there is occasionally a death I hear of.
Usually (it seems to me) there is a MISTAKE made that
could have been avoided with a little thought. A
couple of years ago a Navy couple (near where I
live)lost a child when the father smothered the baby
by sleeping on a sofa with her. To me that is a
special circumstance. Sofa's are particular dangerous
to babies and toddlers, anyway. All that upholstery
on three sides, cushions with spaces for little ones
to get wedged into. Then a Papa who accidently fell
asleep. There is a short on the local news every few
months telling parents not to seep with children
......due to the mistake of this person. As if we
should ALL feel guilty.
I SLEPT WITH MY CHILDREN AS BABIES AND TODDLERS AND
EVEN BIGGER
....I have four sons, all breast fed, and all slept
with me. Three are adults now, and the youngest is 7.
The oldest (27)is married (7 years) and cohabitates
(ha!) with his wife. Queen size bed. Hand made quilts.
Second son (25) lives with his girl friend (3 years).
Queen size bed. Hand made quilts.
Third son (20) lives in his own place and rents out
two of the bedrooms to his bachelor friends. It looks
like it too!! They have a band. He sleeps in the
single bed that his Daddy made for him. Hand made
quilts, too.
The littlest (7) sleeps in his room, usually alone in
a double bed (the grownups hand-me-down when we got a
king size) with lots of stuffed animals and pillows,
hand made quilts,after one or both parents read to
him. Mama (me)lays beside him while he falls asleep .
He chats (sometimes interminably).
I did this for the older boys, too. Sometimes, when I
am (was)particularly fatigued I fall asleep, too, and
awaken 1 to 6 hours later and get up. Once in a while
I sleep all night. Sometimes the 7 year old
(now)awakens and comes to climb in (my side of the
bed) with his parents in the early morning. The older
boys did, too.
The oldest and youngest have sleep apnea (as do
Grandparents and the youngest's Daddy). It is my
thought that that may be a source of SIDS......but who
knows? Anyway I monitored their sleep and touched
them to restore breathing when it seems too long
between breaths, to me. It has been documented that
children do adopt the sleep patterns of their mother.
Unfortunately I am and insomniac. Or perhaps
fortunately, as I am always alert to the children. Any
children in the house!! I had custody of a younger
sister.....who lived with me off and on and slept with
me from age 6 months. I also have had other children
stay with me for extended periods of time. I read to
all of them (or sang) and let them talk, and stayed by
them to go to sleep until they seemed to want to be
alone. About age 6,7, or 10 or off and on.....each
one slightly different. More if a crisis was
happening (from their point of view).
HOWEVER I did find that neither of my husbands (first
husband is Daddy to the three older boys....second to
the youngest) was alert to a child in the bed!! ELBOWS
were the worst hazard.
They were also not concerned about nudity. I (it is
just my opinion as a survivor of sexual abuse) do not
feel (think) that children of any age should sleep
with naked adults. Cuddling is good, sex or any hint
of it with children is not. The children may
instinctively want to pursue those inclinations, but
it is up to the care giver to redirect the behaviors.
My husbands did not want to give up sleeping nude due
to my concern for the children. They preferred for
the babies to be elsewhere anyway. So ate sleeping
arrangements were up to me to fit around everyone's
else's needs. As it USUALLY is with most things and
Mamma's and children.
I feel strongly that little children shouldn't have to
be lonely, especially if there is a parent or two, or
grandparent or responsible sibling or SOMEBODY
anywhere near. That SOMEBODY in my house,is me.
To deal with the Daddy problem (problem for me, not
for the Daddy) I stayed awake until EVERYONE was
asleep, (still do)or in their own beds asleep. The
parental bed with the older boys was a double bed..not
big enough!! With the babies I often just held them
all night, in a rocker or in the crook of my arm while
lying down. But I had to stay awake enough to hold
onto them. When they were bigger I ended up balanced
on the side of the children's beds (mattresses on the
floor at first) or holding hands with the older and
huggling (cuddling) the youngest or pushing all the
beds together and having my arms around
everybody.....If there was a baby, he got a side all
to himself as I didn't trust anyone else to stay alert
enough for long enough. Youngest son's Daddy and I
have a king size bed now......the elbow problem was
(is) much easier to deal with and siblings were in
their own rooms in their own beds indulging in the
things teens like to do. However we had a double bed
for the first couple of years. I made a pallet on the
floor, for myself and the baby, for safety. I was too
tired to stay awake all night watching out for Daddy's
elbow or to keep the baby from falling out of the bed.
When he had his own room, (we moved when he was
almost one) there was matress on the floor (he could
climb out of a crib as soon as he could pull
up....about 7 or 8 months...DANGER) The crib was only
used when he was tiny for me to go to the bathroom or
change clothes!! With the matress he noticed if he
fell out, but he wasn't hurt. He could get up from a
nap safely.
I traded the crib to my sister-in-law for a wardrobe.
Her child seep all night from about 2 months...and
NEVER, even at over 2 years old, climbed out! She had
and intercom in his room, which was on a different
floor, even. Dunno if their power ever went out.
Maybe it was battery powered. He never slept in the
parental bed. She attempted to breastfeed,
unsuccessfully. Perhaps not related to sleeping
arrangements. They have two older children from my
brother's first marraige. One of which stayed with me
when she was little (1 year old).
I either sat up or slept with all of my children when
they were ill. Each has been ill with respiratory
flue, one had pneumonia, all had asthma reactions to
flue, third son had an intasaseption, two have sleep
apnea, then there were the ordinary things....chicken
pox (yuck) allergies (stuffy heads, can't breathe)
vomiting, fevers, diarrhea etc, etc. How can a parent
keep track of these things in another room? WHAT IF?
A child could easily aspirate regurgitated yuck. Who
knows WHAT would have happened if I wasn't right
there?
I baby in the bed is sort of like a leaky hot water
bottle!! (not my analogy but I like it) Daddy's seem
more disturbed by the leakiness than I was. But with
the first three sons, the house was COLD. (the toilet
was frozen. My fish bowl froze solid). Even with
footed sleepers and snow suits, I felt that the babies
needed ME to make sure they were warm in the winter (I
did NOT use disposable diapers)....and not too hot in
the HOT summers or with fevers. Cool cloths, fanning,
etc.
My little sister used to pull the covers over her head
to keep warm. She never did learn to leave a
breathing hole! I had to do that for her. As she was
a BIG girl when I got permanent custody of her I would
go into her room and uncover her face. As she
realized her face was uncovered she would pull the
covers up some more, exposing her feet.....then get a
little more chilled and pull them up some more,
uncovering her legs!! and get more chilled.....till I
covered her again. More cover and a night-cap (hat)
didn't help. Then she would get too hot and kick
everything off and get cold again. She has been
married (with 3 children) for 20 years now, has a
queen size bed. She slept with me until I had lovers.
I did not want to share that aspect of my life with
her. (ha!) She did not sleep with my babies. She was
one of those all elbow and knee everywhere type of big
kids. And she might have suffocated them with the
covers pulled up too high or ????? She didn't sleep
in the bed with her babies either. And they all slept
through the night from about 3 weeks (WOW).
My boys don't have children yet. Dunno if they will.
They older three think it may be more than they want
to bother with....it is a lot of that!! And I'm glad
that they acknowledge what they prefer to do with
their time. An ignored child is so sad.
My husband has adult adopted kids of his first wife
(her natural children). She NEVER slept with the
children. Put them in bed, let them cry. Their
daughter, now has two children. She belongs to the
Put Them In Bed And Let Them Cry School, too. The
adult son (Air Force) has two children. His family is
also of that method.
I don't have the heart for Put Them In Bed And Let
Them Cry. Even Dr. Spock disagrees with himself on
that!
Hope this is useful.
Sharon Oh.......and I don't smoke. And nobody else
ever smoked in the house. How is this realted?
--- Tracy Oldfield <tracy.oldfield@...>
wrote:
> ------- Forwarded message follows -------Help Dr. McKenna
> I was sure there was SOMEONE who could offeror children survived cosleeping---and numbers of
> assistance
> to Dr. McKenna.
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:30:28 -0400
> From: Robert Cordes DO <rcordes@...>
> Subject: help with co-sleeping (Jim McKenna)
> Jim McKenna asked me to post this how many infants
instances in which the cosleeping (with parental
> presence) might have actually saved an infant'slife.
parents who successfully co-slept with any or all of
their children, and learning how they did it, how
> long they did it, why they did it, and, inretrospect, what they now think about it. Moreover, I
am also interested in knowing--as would the audiences
I speak to and write for---how their children sleep
now or, if the case is such, how they sleep as adults
or teenagers. It would be important to know if the
parents were breastfeeding or not--and whether or not
they smoked.
The most important additional question for which I
am asking youassistance is incollecting/tracking down
stories from parents concerning whether or if by
cosleeping, they think that they may have saved their
infants life.
> any help you can give here will be appreciatedRobert Cordes, D.O.
> Thank you for your help
> jim mckenna
> general pediatrician__________________________________________________
> Wilkes Barre, PA
> mailto:rcordes@...
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Tracy Oldfield
Sharon Oh.......and I don't smoke. And nobody else
ever smoked in the house. How is this realted?
Sharon, I didn't read most of this, just posted it to
the addy at the bottom of the message I forwarded. But
I did notice this bit, basically the risk of SIDS is
much higher for babies whose parents smoke, and
especially smoke and co-sleep. I was at a conference
session where the results of research into SIDS were
presented, I posted a summary of the resutls on a web-
page but can't find the link right now :-( I'll
forward it on if I find it, or maybe someone else out
there has it?
HTH
Tracy
ever smoked in the house. How is this realted?
Sharon, I didn't read most of this, just posted it to
the addy at the bottom of the message I forwarded. But
I did notice this bit, basically the risk of SIDS is
much higher for babies whose parents smoke, and
especially smoke and co-sleep. I was at a conference
session where the results of research into SIDS were
presented, I posted a summary of the resutls on a web-
page but can't find the link right now :-( I'll
forward it on if I find it, or maybe someone else out
there has it?
HTH
Tracy
Sharon Rudd
Dear Tracy......that's OK, no need to hunt too hard.
I've heard that before.....just didn't come to mind,
sorry. I forgot that some folks DO smoke inside and
even in bed. Am experiencing some mental pause.
Thanks, Sharon
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wrote:
, basically the risk of SIDS is
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I've heard that before.....just didn't come to mind,
sorry. I forgot that some folks DO smoke inside and
even in bed. Am experiencing some mental pause.
Thanks, Sharon
--- Tracy Oldfield <tracy.oldfield@...>
wrote:
, basically the risk of SIDS is
> much higher for babies whose parents smoke, resutlson a
> web-__________________________________________________
> page but can't find the link right now :-( I'll
> forward it on if I find it> HTH
> Tracy
>
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Dear Tracy......that's OK, no need to hunt too hard.
I've heard that before.....just didn't come to mind,
sorry. I forgot that some folks DO smoke inside and
even in bed. Am experiencing some mental pause.
Thanks, Sharon
-
It doesn't matter if they smoke inside or where they
smoke, if they smoke they give out the chemicals later,
it seems :-(
Tracy
I've heard that before.....just didn't come to mind,
sorry. I forgot that some folks DO smoke inside and
even in bed. Am experiencing some mental pause.
Thanks, Sharon
-
It doesn't matter if they smoke inside or where they
smoke, if they smoke they give out the chemicals later,
it seems :-(
Tracy
Sharon Rudd
Dear Tracy.....Thanks again My DH is a former
smoker. The sediments (deposits or whatever it is
called)within his lungs are still not cleared out
(x-rays to the contrary). Don't think they ever will
be. I suspect some physiologic changes are permanent.
Nicotene is a pretty heavy duty muscle relaxer so it
does seem that it would have an influence on SIDS,
especially with infants who tend to sleep too deeply
to rouse when they do pause in breathing. 'course this
ain't nothin' new to you.
Didn't realize that Dr. McKenna's study was actually
SIDs. Thought it was more the social/anthropoligical
aspects of co-sleeping and safety.
Thanks again for clarification, Sharon
--- Tracy Oldfield <tracy.oldfield@...>
wrote:
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smoker. The sediments (deposits or whatever it is
called)within his lungs are still not cleared out
(x-rays to the contrary). Don't think they ever will
be. I suspect some physiologic changes are permanent.
Nicotene is a pretty heavy duty muscle relaxer so it
does seem that it would have an influence on SIDS,
especially with infants who tend to sleep too deeply
to rouse when they do pause in breathing. 'course this
ain't nothin' new to you.
Didn't realize that Dr. McKenna's study was actually
SIDs. Thought it was more the social/anthropoligical
aspects of co-sleeping and safety.
Thanks again for clarification, Sharon
--- Tracy Oldfield <tracy.oldfield@...>
wrote:
> > -__________________________________________________
> It doesn't matter if they smoke inside or where they
>
> smoke, if they smoke they give out the chemicals
> later,
> it seems :-(
>
> Tracy
>
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Dear Tracy.....Thanks again My DH is a former
smoker. The sediments (deposits or whatever it is
called)within his lungs are still not cleared out
(x-rays to the contrary). Don't think they ever will
be. I suspect some physiologic changes are permanent.
Nicotene is a pretty heavy duty muscle relaxer so it
does seem that it would have an influence on SIDS,
especially with infants who tend to sleep too deeply
to rouse when they do pause in breathing. 'course this
ain't nothin' new to you.
Didn't realize that Dr. McKenna's study was actually
SIDs. Thought it was more the social/anthropoligical
aspects of co-sleeping and safety.
Thanks again for clarification, Sharon
I don't know if it is, though probably with McKenna's
background you're probably right, it's just that the
question about smoking could be to do with SIDS or
perhaps it's to do with whether the message that
parents who smoke put their babies at risk even when
they're not actually smoking is getting out...
Tracy
smoker. The sediments (deposits or whatever it is
called)within his lungs are still not cleared out
(x-rays to the contrary). Don't think they ever will
be. I suspect some physiologic changes are permanent.
Nicotene is a pretty heavy duty muscle relaxer so it
does seem that it would have an influence on SIDS,
especially with infants who tend to sleep too deeply
to rouse when they do pause in breathing. 'course this
ain't nothin' new to you.
Didn't realize that Dr. McKenna's study was actually
SIDs. Thought it was more the social/anthropoligical
aspects of co-sleeping and safety.
Thanks again for clarification, Sharon
I don't know if it is, though probably with McKenna's
background you're probably right, it's just that the
question about smoking could be to do with SIDS or
perhaps it's to do with whether the message that
parents who smoke put their babies at risk even when
they're not actually smoking is getting out...
Tracy