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<<Have you ever been bit or even chased by a dog intent on harming you?>>
I have been chased and bitten both (not at the same time--chasers never bit).
We lived where dogs were out, and they sometimes packed together and took
down a calf and dogs would be shot, or poisoned. Kids bicycling would be
chased by dogs. We learned to speed up and put our feet up toward the
handlebars until we passed the dog's property. Dogs don't bite bicycles. If
I saw my kids experiencing that now, I'd be a nervous wreck.
When someone suggests that someone shouldn't complain about their fear or
emotional hurt or physical pain because others have it worse I don't
associate that with mindful parenting and compassion. If a child is unhappy
that children at school called her names, saying "at least they didn't hit
you" isn't sympathy. If a child is hit by a parent with a belt, saying "at
least it wasn't a razor strap" is, in this day and age, in my opinion, goofy
and cruel.
I know there are families that purposely thwart their children's peace and
happiness and compare their lives to worse lives to "make them appreciate
what they have."
A few times when I was little I said "I'm hungry" to my mother, whose parents
had been itinerant cotton pickers and had lived through the depression, and
she said "You're not hungry," or "You've never been hungry a day in your
life." She said it with a hateful tone of voice, too.
Yeah, whatever. I was asking for food and she was insulting me, and bragging
up her superior deprivation to shame me.
In a case of a dead father and an arrested mother, I don't care as much about
the finances of the value of the land as the fears and anguish of the
children. Little kids don't give a rat's patootie how much their land is
worth.
Sandra
I quit telling her I was hungry. I didn't quit being hungry, I just quit
trusting her to care.
I have been chased and bitten both (not at the same time--chasers never bit).
We lived where dogs were out, and they sometimes packed together and took
down a calf and dogs would be shot, or poisoned. Kids bicycling would be
chased by dogs. We learned to speed up and put our feet up toward the
handlebars until we passed the dog's property. Dogs don't bite bicycles. If
I saw my kids experiencing that now, I'd be a nervous wreck.
When someone suggests that someone shouldn't complain about their fear or
emotional hurt or physical pain because others have it worse I don't
associate that with mindful parenting and compassion. If a child is unhappy
that children at school called her names, saying "at least they didn't hit
you" isn't sympathy. If a child is hit by a parent with a belt, saying "at
least it wasn't a razor strap" is, in this day and age, in my opinion, goofy
and cruel.
I know there are families that purposely thwart their children's peace and
happiness and compare their lives to worse lives to "make them appreciate
what they have."
A few times when I was little I said "I'm hungry" to my mother, whose parents
had been itinerant cotton pickers and had lived through the depression, and
she said "You're not hungry," or "You've never been hungry a day in your
life." She said it with a hateful tone of voice, too.
Yeah, whatever. I was asking for food and she was insulting me, and bragging
up her superior deprivation to shame me.
In a case of a dead father and an arrested mother, I don't care as much about
the finances of the value of the land as the fears and anguish of the
children. Little kids don't give a rat's patootie how much their land is
worth.
Sandra
I quit telling her I was hungry. I didn't quit being hungry, I just quit
trusting her to care.
Ms. Tery
I've been lurking for a bit but this thread has prompted me to speak up. I
can't quite figure out where this post is going but I do know that chasing
dogs do bite as that is quite frequently their objective in chasing. Were
that not so, then the statement that followed ("took down a calf") would be
false. In the interests of accuracy, chasing dogs do bite, they chase, they
bite, the calf goes down.
But the balance is what really leaves me somewhat perplexed. The basic web
of this fabric starts with an adult maybe, maybe not being bitten by a dog,
progresses to arguing the definitive value of the word "severe," makes a
rather extravagant leap to questioning motherly concerns over an injured
child and now progresses to a valuation on parenting. Hmmm, most
interesting, I guess.
Seems a bit convaluted, and while I am sorry that some people have
horrendous childhood memories which seem to have left deep scars, it really
has no significance on what the previous poster said.
And now that you are all wishing I would shut up and go back to lurking, I
do have one other comment on this situation. While it may be true that the
children "don't give a rat's patootie" what the land is worth, it is also
true that some of them are old enough to know and value the land and just
may, in fact, care about it and its value. I would be inclined to think
that they do "give a rat's patootie" over the press and folks labeling their
mother as "mentally ill" and "paranoid" because she evidenced concern over
their home being stolen. And, I think that is where the concern in some
posts came from, a defense of the mother's position. Perhaps if some good
soul had taken the time to "give a rat's patootie" over this very issue
before it ended up in the hands of the media the children's suffering would
be limited to that felt over the loss of a parent and they would not be
suffering the added burdens of fear and anguish over loosing their home and
having their mother summarily and without due process taken from them.
Ms. Teri
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truth about its author. -- G. K. Chesterton
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can't quite figure out where this post is going but I do know that chasing
dogs do bite as that is quite frequently their objective in chasing. Were
that not so, then the statement that followed ("took down a calf") would be
false. In the interests of accuracy, chasing dogs do bite, they chase, they
bite, the calf goes down.
But the balance is what really leaves me somewhat perplexed. The basic web
of this fabric starts with an adult maybe, maybe not being bitten by a dog,
progresses to arguing the definitive value of the word "severe," makes a
rather extravagant leap to questioning motherly concerns over an injured
child and now progresses to a valuation on parenting. Hmmm, most
interesting, I guess.
Seems a bit convaluted, and while I am sorry that some people have
horrendous childhood memories which seem to have left deep scars, it really
has no significance on what the previous poster said.
And now that you are all wishing I would shut up and go back to lurking, I
do have one other comment on this situation. While it may be true that the
children "don't give a rat's patootie" what the land is worth, it is also
true that some of them are old enough to know and value the land and just
may, in fact, care about it and its value. I would be inclined to think
that they do "give a rat's patootie" over the press and folks labeling their
mother as "mentally ill" and "paranoid" because she evidenced concern over
their home being stolen. And, I think that is where the concern in some
posts came from, a defense of the mother's position. Perhaps if some good
soul had taken the time to "give a rat's patootie" over this very issue
before it ended up in the hands of the media the children's suffering would
be limited to that felt over the loss of a parent and they would not be
suffering the added burdens of fear and anguish over loosing their home and
having their mother summarily and without due process taken from them.
Ms. Teri
A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells us the
truth about its author. -- G. K. Chesterton
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>I have been chased and bitten both (not at the same time--chasers never_________________________________________________________________
>bit).
> We lived where dogs were out, and they sometimes packed together and took
>down a calf and dogs would be shot, or poisoned. Kids bicycling would be
>chased by dogs. We learned to speed up and put our feet up toward the
>handlebars until we passed the dog's property. Dogs don't bite bicycles.
>If
>I saw my kids experiencing that now, I'd be a nervous wreck.
>
>When someone suggests that someone shouldn't complain about their fear or
>emotional hurt or physical pain because others have it worse I don't
>associate that with mindful parenting and compassion. If a child is
>unhappy
>that children at school called her names, saying "at least they didn't hit
>you" isn't sympathy. If a child is hit by a parent with a belt, saying "at
>least it wasn't a razor strap" is, in this day and age, in my opinion,
>goofy
>and cruel.
>
>I know there are families that purposely thwart their children's peace and
>happiness and compare their lives to worse lives to "make them appreciate
>what they have."
>
>A few times when I was little I said "I'm hungry" to my mother, whose
>parents
>had been itinerant cotton pickers and had lived through the depression, and
>she said "You're not hungry," or "You've never been hungry a day in your
>life." She said it with a hateful tone of voice, too.
>
>Yeah, whatever. I was asking for food and she was insulting me, and
>bragging
>up her superior deprivation to shame me.
>
>In a case of a dead father and an arrested mother, I don't care as much
>about
>the finances of the value of the land as the fears and anguish of the
>children. Little kids don't give a rat's patootie how much their land is
>worth.
>
>Sandra
>
>I quit telling her I was hungry. I didn't quit being hungry, I just quit
>trusting her to care.
>
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In a message dated 6/7/01 12:07:55 AM, mom2kaalande@... writes:
<< I have been chased and bitten both (not at the same time--chasers never
bitten by a dog myself. I was writing about myself, as requested by whoever
had asked the question.
<< I have been chased and bitten both (not at the same time--chasers never
>bit). >>I didn't say chasers never bite. I said I had not been chased and then
bitten by a dog myself. I was writing about myself, as requested by whoever
had asked the question.
Sharon Rudd
Dear Sandra........that is a very good point to bring out. I have to monitor myself constantly in this area. My older boys father is multiply guilty. Nobody has suffered like he did. He had the biggest mosquitoes to bite him. The meanest Dad. The worst everything. Thanks. What a good term "superior deprivation". May I use it? Your use of language is wonderful.
However, some dogs do bite bicycles, and cars and trucks!! I have (1st person) seen a bulldog go round and round hanging onto the the front tire of moving car he bit! and wouldn't let go. Dogs knocked into motorcycles causing crashes with my little brother...and they are aften big enough to jump up on the shoulders of a bicycle rider. The ammonia in a squirt bottle that Lynda uses is a usefull idea. We have done that since childhood. Still, it isn't always enough re: the motocycle. And not all dogs will stop at a property line. Especially ferral or semi-ferral canines. Dogs can be a realy danger!
Sharon
SandraDodd@... wrote:
Dogs don't bite bicycles
I was asking for food and she was insulting me, and bragging
up her superior deprivation to shame me.
Sandra
I quit telling her I was hungry. I didn't quit being hungry, I just quit
trusting her to care.
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However, some dogs do bite bicycles, and cars and trucks!! I have (1st person) seen a bulldog go round and round hanging onto the the front tire of moving car he bit! and wouldn't let go. Dogs knocked into motorcycles causing crashes with my little brother...and they are aften big enough to jump up on the shoulders of a bicycle rider. The ammonia in a squirt bottle that Lynda uses is a usefull idea. We have done that since childhood. Still, it isn't always enough re: the motocycle. And not all dogs will stop at a property line. Especially ferral or semi-ferral canines. Dogs can be a realy danger!
Sharon
SandraDodd@... wrote:
Dogs don't bite bicycles
I was asking for food and she was insulting me, and bragging
up her superior deprivation to shame me.
Sandra
I quit telling her I was hungry. I didn't quit being hungry, I just quit
trusting her to care.
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wrote:
week, he was trying to bite my front tire and took the whole bicycle
out from under me (unfortunately, I was cleated into the pedals). It
really messed me up for the whole week and my neck and hip are still
not the same.
I had a dog bite my wheel so hard once that he broke my spokes. As
someone who has spent tens of thousands of miles on bikes, I can
definitely affirm that dogs bite bicycles :-)
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) Who is building a circus for the fairies
and Asa (10/5/99) who is trying to destroy the fairy circus
http://www.geocities.com/the_clevengers Flying Clevenger Family
wrote:
>Funny you should post this. I got hit by a dog on my bicycle last
> However, some dogs do bite bicycles, and cars and trucks!!
week, he was trying to bite my front tire and took the whole bicycle
out from under me (unfortunately, I was cleated into the pedals). It
really messed me up for the whole week and my neck and hip are still
not the same.
I had a dog bite my wheel so hard once that he broke my spokes. As
someone who has spent tens of thousands of miles on bikes, I can
definitely affirm that dogs bite bicycles :-)
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) Who is building a circus for the fairies
and Asa (10/5/99) who is trying to destroy the fairy circus
http://www.geocities.com/the_clevengers Flying Clevenger Family
Sharon Rudd
Dear Robin....OUCH! Not funny a bit (pun). If you send me an addy off list, I will send you a heat therapy pillow. I make them, now and again. Glad the babies weren't with you!!
Sharon
diamondair@... wrote: Funny you should post this. I got hit by a dog on my bicycle last
week, he was trying to bite my front tire and took the whole bicycle
out from under me (unfortunately, I was cleated into the pedals). It
really messed me up for the whole week and my neck and hip are still
not the same.
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
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diamondair@... wrote: Funny you should post this. I got hit by a dog on my bicycle last
week, he was trying to bite my front tire and took the whole bicycle
out from under me (unfortunately, I was cleated into the pedals). It
really messed me up for the whole week and my neck and hip are still
not the same.
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
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Sharon,
Are they rice bags? We make them for just about everyone who has ever used
one here :) They are wonderful!!
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Are they rice bags? We make them for just about everyone who has ever used
one here :) They are wonderful!!
Indiana Tami
>From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Danger! Dogs CAN bite bicycles!
>Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 23:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Dear Robin....OUCH! Not funny a bit (pun). If you send me an addy off list,
>I will send you a heat therapy pillow. I make them, now and again. Glad the
>babies weren't with you!!
>Sharon
> diamondair@... wrote: Funny you should post this. I got hit by
>a dog on my bicycle last
>week, he was trying to bite my front tire and took the whole bicycle
>out from under me (unfortunately, I was cleated into the pedals). It
>really messed me up for the whole week and my neck and hip are still
>not the same.
>
>Blue Skies!
> -Robin-
>
>
>
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Indiana Tami Yes, the "heat therapy pillows" are rice bags. They can be used for cold too. Do you heat yours in the microwave? Sharon
Tami Labig-Duquette <labigduquette@...> wrote: Are they rice bags? We make them for just about everyone who has ever used
one here :) They are wonderful!!
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> >From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...>off list,
>Dear Robin....OUCH! Not funny a bit (pun). If you send me an addy
>I will send you a heat therapy pillow. I make them, now and again.Glad the
>babies weren't with you!!Sharon, thanks for the kind offer! I've got a heat pillow, and have
>Sharon
used it a lot this week. I managed to make a reasonable recovery in
time to do my race too.
Thanks again, that's very nice.
Blue Skies!
-Robin-
Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) Who is building a circus for the fairies
and Asa (10/5/99) who is trying to destroy the fairy circus
http://www.geocities.com/the_clevengers Flying Clevenger Family
Tami Labig-Duquette
Yes we do heat them in the micro. How do you do the cold? Refrigerator?
Arent they awesome? I always used them with mine (well still do) when they
were babies, I was terrified to put a heating pad in with them so I used
those.
Indiana Tami
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Arent they awesome? I always used them with mine (well still do) when they
were babies, I was terrified to put a heating pad in with them so I used
those.
Indiana Tami
>From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] rice bags was Danger dogs
>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:05:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> Indiana Tami Yes, the "heat therapy pillows" are rice bags. They can
>be used for cold too. Do you heat yours in the microwave? Sharon
> Tami Labig-Duquette <labigduquette@...> wrote: Are they rice
>bags? We make them for just about everyone who has ever used
>one here :) They are wonderful!!
>Indiana Tami
>
>
>
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<P> Dear Indiana
Tami The
freezer for cold......works kinda of like the gel
packs for traumas. But I don't usually do that,
I use ice that I bang and crush inside a small towel,
or a bowl of ice water. 2 minutes on 10X
in microwave gives about 20 minutes of theraputic heat
to an arthritic or healing joint or some other achey
spot. My husbands back was broken in a train
derailment (the locomotive he was engineering became
airborne. It "flew" over a low-boy truck that
was stuck on a crossing, according to
witnessess. The angels were working
overtime.) a few years ago, and he uses his (the
cover has a fish appliqued on it) on the injured spot
after a day of playing with his sawmill.
However, that is too hot for children and babies to be
comfortable. It can heat the bed some before the
get in, though. I sometimes put a wrapped hot
water bottle in with Roy. Some folks use regular
convection ovens to heat their's......but it is less
exact as to what to expect. And
slower.
<P>Me too, about heating pads..........babies and
electricity are too too scary. Even BIG
babies....the tangly cords and all that ........makes
me shudder thinking about it. And the old-timey
wrapped bricks are SO hard.
<P>Do you put herbs in with the rice for the scent or
healing properties? I put bay and bergamont in
my husbands.....but left most others "plain".
What would you recommend for different therapies? Just
the heat ones, cold wouldn't do much with scent,
though the same pillow can be used wither
way. (Sorry, I know you know that)
<P>Thanks, Sharon
<P> <B><I>Tami Labig-Duquette
<labigduquette@...></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT>. How do you
do the cold? Arent they awesome? I always used them
with mine (well still do) when they <BR>were babies, I
was terrified to put a heating pad in with them so I
used <BR>those.<BR>Indiana Tami<BR><BR></TT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Tami The
freezer for cold......works kinda of like the gel
packs for traumas. But I don't usually do that,
I use ice that I bang and crush inside a small towel,
or a bowl of ice water. 2 minutes on 10X
in microwave gives about 20 minutes of theraputic heat
to an arthritic or healing joint or some other achey
spot. My husbands back was broken in a train
derailment (the locomotive he was engineering became
airborne. It "flew" over a low-boy truck that
was stuck on a crossing, according to
witnessess. The angels were working
overtime.) a few years ago, and he uses his (the
cover has a fish appliqued on it) on the injured spot
after a day of playing with his sawmill.
However, that is too hot for children and babies to be
comfortable. It can heat the bed some before the
get in, though. I sometimes put a wrapped hot
water bottle in with Roy. Some folks use regular
convection ovens to heat their's......but it is less
exact as to what to expect. And
slower.
<P>Me too, about heating pads..........babies and
electricity are too too scary. Even BIG
babies....the tangly cords and all that ........makes
me shudder thinking about it. And the old-timey
wrapped bricks are SO hard.
<P>Do you put herbs in with the rice for the scent or
healing properties? I put bay and bergamont in
my husbands.....but left most others "plain".
What would you recommend for different therapies? Just
the heat ones, cold wouldn't do much with scent,
though the same pillow can be used wither
way. (Sorry, I know you know that)
<P>Thanks, Sharon
<P> <B><I>Tami Labig-Duquette
<labigduquette@...></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT>. How do you
do the cold? Arent they awesome? I always used them
with mine (well still do) when they <BR>were babies, I
was terrified to put a heating pad in with them so I
used <BR>those.<BR>Indiana Tami<BR><BR></TT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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We have corn bags. They're about 10" square and when the corn's all
distributed it's about 1" thick. They have seed corn, all dried up and
mostly broken. Don't use plain dried corn like popcorn for obvious reasons.
Microwaved for five minutes, one will stay hot for half an hour and warm for
another two or three. They smell like Corn Pops. <g> We have four of those,
all gifts made by a male friend who fights forest fires, whose parents were
hippies in Santa Fe, who is big and strong and makes his friends corn bags.
We also have "the rice sock," an mateless tubesock we put instant rice in
(which also can't pop) and tied in an overhand knot. It was a temporary one,
but it's two years old so it's not so temporary.
Sandra
distributed it's about 1" thick. They have seed corn, all dried up and
mostly broken. Don't use plain dried corn like popcorn for obvious reasons.
Microwaved for five minutes, one will stay hot for half an hour and warm for
another two or three. They smell like Corn Pops. <g> We have four of those,
all gifts made by a male friend who fights forest fires, whose parents were
hippies in Santa Fe, who is big and strong and makes his friends corn bags.
We also have "the rice sock," an mateless tubesock we put instant rice in
(which also can't pop) and tied in an overhand knot. It was a temporary one,
but it's two years old so it's not so temporary.
Sandra
Johanna
We have corn bags. They're about 10" square and when the corn's all
distributed it's about 1" thick. They have seed corn, all dried up and
mostly broken. Don't use plain dried corn like popcorn for obvious reasons.
Microwaved for five minutes, one will stay hot for half an hour and warm for
another two or three. They smell like Corn Pops. <g> We have four of those,
all gifts made by a male friend who fights forest fires, whose parents were
hippies in Santa Fe, who is big and strong and makes his friends corn bags.
We also have "the rice sock," an mateless tubesock we put instant rice in
(which also can't pop) and tied in an overhand knot. It was a temporary one,
but it's two years old so it's not so temporary.
Sandra
I like the corn bag idea. we have a rice sock. The hospital gave them out when I had my son in 97. we wore the first one out and have replaced it twice. I think it would be really funny to be a fly on the wall if someone used popcorn!
Johanna
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distributed it's about 1" thick. They have seed corn, all dried up and
mostly broken. Don't use plain dried corn like popcorn for obvious reasons.
Microwaved for five minutes, one will stay hot for half an hour and warm for
another two or three. They smell like Corn Pops. <g> We have four of those,
all gifts made by a male friend who fights forest fires, whose parents were
hippies in Santa Fe, who is big and strong and makes his friends corn bags.
We also have "the rice sock," an mateless tubesock we put instant rice in
(which also can't pop) and tied in an overhand knot. It was a temporary one,
but it's two years old so it's not so temporary.
Sandra
I like the corn bag idea. we have a rice sock. The hospital gave them out when I had my son in 97. we wore the first one out and have replaced it twice. I think it would be really funny to be a fly on the wall if someone used popcorn!
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
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