re Reading late
[email protected]
Sandra said **There are some very bad things school does. One is make
reading a chore, a chance for failure, something you can do late, or wrong,
or badly. If moms aren't careful, they can reproduce that result at home.
Don't.**
I'm going to recommend a book for moms worrying about/at the late and/or
reluctant reader. Parents Who Love Reading, Kids Who Don't, Mary Leonhardt
She goes into great detail about all the things that schools do to discourage
children from becoming avid readers. You'll know how not to do the same when
you're done reading the book.
There's another book I've been reading off and on since it was published last
year about children and learning and schools that I think some here might
enjoy reading. Coloring Outside the Lines, Roger Schank. He discusses how
schools destroy childrens minds and how parents can counteract that. He drops
the ball, in my opinion, by accepting schools as a mostly unavoidable
gatekeeper to real life and higher education - he only mentions alternatives
in a throwaway sentence "I'm not suggesting you homeschool, though that
wouldn't be a terrible thing." Anyway... he develops some interesting ideas
and themes on what education really is and how to relate to your child in
order to keep from damaging his creativity and intelect, how to raise a truly
educated child.
Deborah
reading a chore, a chance for failure, something you can do late, or wrong,
or badly. If moms aren't careful, they can reproduce that result at home.
Don't.**
I'm going to recommend a book for moms worrying about/at the late and/or
reluctant reader. Parents Who Love Reading, Kids Who Don't, Mary Leonhardt
She goes into great detail about all the things that schools do to discourage
children from becoming avid readers. You'll know how not to do the same when
you're done reading the book.
There's another book I've been reading off and on since it was published last
year about children and learning and schools that I think some here might
enjoy reading. Coloring Outside the Lines, Roger Schank. He discusses how
schools destroy childrens minds and how parents can counteract that. He drops
the ball, in my opinion, by accepting schools as a mostly unavoidable
gatekeeper to real life and higher education - he only mentions alternatives
in a throwaway sentence "I'm not suggesting you homeschool, though that
wouldn't be a terrible thing." Anyway... he develops some interesting ideas
and themes on what education really is and how to relate to your child in
order to keep from damaging his creativity and intelect, how to raise a truly
educated child.
Deborah
Helen Hegener
At 2:25 AM -0400 5/23/01, DACunefare@... wrote:
homeschoolers who follow up on books like this and "educate" the
authors about homeschooling, and especially unschooling. Most of
these guys (and gals) write book after book after book, especially if
they're successful enough to catch the mainstream media's interest to
some degree, as this one has. And in my experience, having contacted
a few of them to set the record straight, they're more than happy to
broaden their understanding, but being busy writers and often having
other jobs as well (usually to finance their writing), they just
don't have time to research the subject.
We'd donate copies of HEM to anyone who wanted to send them to these writers.
Helen
>There's another book I've been reading off and on since it was published lastY'know, I've often thought there should be a task force of
>year about children and learning and schools that I think some here might
>enjoy reading. Coloring Outside the Lines, Roger Schank. He discusses how
>schools destroy childrens minds and how parents can counteract that. He drops
>the ball, in my opinion, by accepting schools as a mostly unavoidable
>gatekeeper to real life and higher education - he only mentions alternatives
>in a throwaway sentence "I'm not suggesting you homeschool, though that
>wouldn't be a terrible thing." Anyway... he develops some interesting ideas
>and themes on what education really is and how to relate to your child in
>order to keep from damaging his creativity and intelect, how to raise a truly
>educated child.
homeschoolers who follow up on books like this and "educate" the
authors about homeschooling, and especially unschooling. Most of
these guys (and gals) write book after book after book, especially if
they're successful enough to catch the mainstream media's interest to
some degree, as this one has. And in my experience, having contacted
a few of them to set the record straight, they're more than happy to
broaden their understanding, but being busy writers and often having
other jobs as well (usually to finance their writing), they just
don't have time to research the subject.
We'd donate copies of HEM to anyone who wanted to send them to these writers.
Helen
[email protected]
Oh, I did write to him when I first started reading the book, telling
him that he could learn a lot from unschoolers, and offering
information. I got added to his mailing list, :) and no other
response, and I'm too lazy right now to take it further since I'm
pretty sure he's much more interested in selling computer curriculum
to schools than in the adventures of those outside them. :) It's
still a really good book for anyone who isn't yet positive (as I am)
that schools are unhealthy places for children. But I'll ponder on it
again...
him that he could learn a lot from unschoolers, and offering
information. I got added to his mailing list, :) and no other
response, and I'm too lazy right now to take it further since I'm
pretty sure he's much more interested in selling computer curriculum
to schools than in the adventures of those outside them. :) It's
still a really good book for anyone who isn't yet positive (as I am)
that schools are unhealthy places for children. But I'll ponder on it
again...
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Helen Hegener <HEM-Editor@h...> wrote:
> At 2:25 AM -0400 5/23/01, DACunefare@a... wrote:
> >There's another book I've been reading off and on since it was
published last
> >year about children and learning and schools that I think some
here might
> >enjoy reading. Coloring Outside the Lines, Roger Schank. He
discusses how
> >schools destroy childrens minds and how parents can counteract
that. He drops
> >the ball, in my opinion, by accepting schools as a mostly
unavoidable
> >gatekeeper to real life and higher education - he only mentions
alternatives
> >in a throwaway sentence "I'm not suggesting you homeschool, though
that
> >wouldn't be a terrible thing." Anyway... he develops some
interesting ideas
> >and themes on what education really is and how to relate to your
child in
> >order to keep from damaging his creativity and intelect, how to
raise a truly
> >educated child.
>
> Y'know, I've often thought there should be a task force of
> homeschoolers who follow up on books like this and "educate" the
> authors about homeschooling, and especially unschooling. Most of
> these guys (and gals) write book after book after book, especially
if
> they're successful enough to catch the mainstream media's interest
to
> some degree, as this one has. And in my experience, having contacted
> a few of them to set the record straight, they're more than happy to
> broaden their understanding, but being busy writers and often having
> other jobs as well (usually to finance their writing), they just
> don't have time to research the subject.
>
> We'd donate copies of HEM to anyone who wanted to send them to these
wr
Helen Hegener
Okay, I've finally caught up with the posts to this list - just in
time to say I'm going to have to put it back on digest again, or
maybe even web-only. I'm leaving in a couple of days and won't be
able to follow the conversations here as closely as I have been, but
as list owner I do have a few things to say before I wander off into
the sunset.
There is no moderator on this list. No listmommy, no nothing. It is,
rather, something of an experiment in getting along with each other
and seeing if differences of opinion and other hassles can be worked
out in a group setting without some authority figure from on high
either constantly reminding and admonishing people or just
expeditiously zapping someone off the list for misbehaving.
We're all adults here (at least I haven't seen any minors recently),
and if we can't collectively figure out how to get along with each
other, then should we be allowed to play with big powerful important
toys like the Internet?
Bullies. To be honest, I probably wouldn't know a bully if one walked
up and kicked sand in my face. I'd just figure he or she had some
"issues" to deal with and if that made it easier for him or her,
well, so be it. I'm not a pacifist or anything, I can lose my temper
as quickly as the next person, but I can also come up with a hundred
different off-the-wall justifications for people being the way they
are or doing the things they do. Call it a curse or a blessing, it's
just the way I am. And exacerbating the problem is all the
distractions besides this list - I try to keep up here, but it gets
difficulter and difficulter as time goes on...
So I don't see any bullies here. Just a discussion that's gotten out
of hand. Way out of hand, if my offlist email is any indication. I'd
like to enter my plea that the parties involved knock it off, call a
truce, or whatever. This is a terrific list, one of the best. Let's
keep it that way.
Thanks!
Helen
time to say I'm going to have to put it back on digest again, or
maybe even web-only. I'm leaving in a couple of days and won't be
able to follow the conversations here as closely as I have been, but
as list owner I do have a few things to say before I wander off into
the sunset.
There is no moderator on this list. No listmommy, no nothing. It is,
rather, something of an experiment in getting along with each other
and seeing if differences of opinion and other hassles can be worked
out in a group setting without some authority figure from on high
either constantly reminding and admonishing people or just
expeditiously zapping someone off the list for misbehaving.
We're all adults here (at least I haven't seen any minors recently),
and if we can't collectively figure out how to get along with each
other, then should we be allowed to play with big powerful important
toys like the Internet?
Bullies. To be honest, I probably wouldn't know a bully if one walked
up and kicked sand in my face. I'd just figure he or she had some
"issues" to deal with and if that made it easier for him or her,
well, so be it. I'm not a pacifist or anything, I can lose my temper
as quickly as the next person, but I can also come up with a hundred
different off-the-wall justifications for people being the way they
are or doing the things they do. Call it a curse or a blessing, it's
just the way I am. And exacerbating the problem is all the
distractions besides this list - I try to keep up here, but it gets
difficulter and difficulter as time goes on...
So I don't see any bullies here. Just a discussion that's gotten out
of hand. Way out of hand, if my offlist email is any indication. I'd
like to enter my plea that the parties involved knock it off, call a
truce, or whatever. This is a terrific list, one of the best. Let's
keep it that way.
Thanks!
Helen
Tammy Graves
I'm in agreement with what Helen stated.
I think this is a wonderful list but we need to keep things friendly. I know
that I've been hitting the "delete" button on a lot of posts that would just
start off that had the same subject line that I knew had HUGE debates of
personal opinions going on.
I hope you have a great vacation Helen. Enjoy!
I think this is a wonderful list but we need to keep things friendly. I know
that I've been hitting the "delete" button on a lot of posts that would just
start off that had the same subject line that I knew had HUGE debates of
personal opinions going on.
I hope you have a great vacation Helen. Enjoy!
Angela
I have heard of this book before from a fellow home schooler. It sounded
interesting. Is it worth the read? Meaning as an unschooler does it do
anything to broaden your horizons or is it more of the same? Thanks for you
thoughts.
Angela in Maine
Unschooling mom to two beautiful daughters.
www.geocities.com/autonomousangela
our use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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interesting. Is it worth the read? Meaning as an unschooler does it do
anything to broaden your horizons or is it more of the same? Thanks for you
thoughts.
Angela in Maine
Unschooling mom to two beautiful daughters.
www.geocities.com/autonomousangela
our use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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[email protected]
**Coloring Outside the Lines
I have heard of this book before from a fellow home schooler. It sounded
interesting. Is it worth the read? Meaning as an unschooler does it do
anything to broaden your horizons or is it more of the same? Thanks for you
thoughts.**
I think it's worth reading and pondering, yes, or I wouldn't still be putzing
around with it after 6 months. :) I keep borrowing it from my library, you
might find a copy at yours.
Deborah
"Doing what you want is easy. Knowing what you want is the hard part."
Jeanne-Claude
I have heard of this book before from a fellow home schooler. It sounded
interesting. Is it worth the read? Meaning as an unschooler does it do
anything to broaden your horizons or is it more of the same? Thanks for you
thoughts.**
I think it's worth reading and pondering, yes, or I wouldn't still be putzing
around with it after 6 months. :) I keep borrowing it from my library, you
might find a copy at yours.
Deborah
"Doing what you want is easy. Knowing what you want is the hard part."
Jeanne-Claude
Sheri Piersol
I for one joined this list because I knew Sandra was on it. I figured it
would be interesting. :) I was right. I am enjoying this list very much. The
only problem I have is when people say the do not need to defend themselves
and yet continue to do so. But, hey, that is minor. I love the interesting
conversations with a diverse group of people. And I enjoy Sandra because she
gives it to me straight. I do not have to agree with anyone, but I
appreciate those who take the time to reply. I gleen knowledge and gain
comfort. Mostly, I love knowing I am not alone in my unschooling venture.
~Sheri
would be interesting. :) I was right. I am enjoying this list very much. The
only problem I have is when people say the do not need to defend themselves
and yet continue to do so. But, hey, that is minor. I love the interesting
conversations with a diverse group of people. And I enjoy Sandra because she
gives it to me straight. I do not have to agree with anyone, but I
appreciate those who take the time to reply. I gleen knowledge and gain
comfort. Mostly, I love knowing I am not alone in my unschooling venture.
~Sheri
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/15/01 10:25:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
sheri@... writes:
Thanks, too, to the several people who have made positive comments publicly
and privately this week about benefits they've had from my writings and those
of others here. I wrote to people privately, but when it was the most
dangerous here I was afraid to thank people publicly for fear they would be
insulted.
Life shouldn't be that way, and public thanks should receive public
acknowledgement, and so I apologize for wimping out to the extent I did
(going private), and I hope those affected understand.
I like this list *because* it is specifically for unschoolers and because
it's a part of the unschooling forum I am SO glad exists.
For years, print media (GWS, HEM on paper) and John Holt books were the best
unschoolers could do for help.
Then for many more years unschoolers participated in online lists and message
boards alongside structured homeschoolers who pretty regularly proclaimed we
were not only ruining our kids, but endangering homeschooling rights for
everybody (AND we weren't helping bring up test scores, which was the goal of
many of the most conservative--get those test scores up so nobody will look
at what they weren't even beginning to teach in social studies requirements).
We had to endure *daily* suggestions that a curriculum would probably be
better than just "trusting" that we might find educational experiences. We
had to endure serious suggestions that homeschoolers should stay quietly in
their homes during "school hours" for the good of all homeschoolers. We had
to answer the Same Dumb Questions constantly and in public: How will they
learn to read? How will they learn times tables? How will they learn to
study? How will they learn discipline and obedience? How will they learn
anything the mother doesn't know?
Luckily for those who have only begun unschooling in the past three years or
so, those stories are now the quaint and distant past. It is rare now that
someone comes in not knowing at all what unschooling is, or insisting that
requiring math lessons doesn't keep them from being unschoolers. What was
constant for some of us is rare-to-never for newer participants, and so that
might be why some of the old timers are less patient than some newe
participants thought we would be.
Lots of us remember times when there weren't separate forums. Now there are.
There are now "safe" places for fundamentalist Christian curriculum users
where they can pretend none of us exist (or revile us without response).
There is a sweet, good place for Christian unschoolers to discuss unschooling
without non-Christian influences and suggestions. There are still lots of
"mixed" group discussions and lists. And then there are very few purely
unschooling places.
Someone claimed there were several others. I think "several" is too large a
number. If there are others people want to recommend (nobody listed them
when I asked the first time), I don't see how that could hurt anything.
But because I've come through too many years of having to defend unschooling
with so much energy we didn't have much left to discuss it, I am quick to
want to maintain the difference between unschooling and unit studies, from
those who teach writing and math but leave science, history and all else to
form up otherwise and separately (which I don't personally think will work
very well under those circumstances), and other "loose" but not unschooling
philosophies.
Sandra
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sheri@... writes:
> And I enjoy Sandra because sheThanks.
>
Thanks, too, to the several people who have made positive comments publicly
and privately this week about benefits they've had from my writings and those
of others here. I wrote to people privately, but when it was the most
dangerous here I was afraid to thank people publicly for fear they would be
insulted.
Life shouldn't be that way, and public thanks should receive public
acknowledgement, and so I apologize for wimping out to the extent I did
(going private), and I hope those affected understand.
I like this list *because* it is specifically for unschoolers and because
it's a part of the unschooling forum I am SO glad exists.
For years, print media (GWS, HEM on paper) and John Holt books were the best
unschoolers could do for help.
Then for many more years unschoolers participated in online lists and message
boards alongside structured homeschoolers who pretty regularly proclaimed we
were not only ruining our kids, but endangering homeschooling rights for
everybody (AND we weren't helping bring up test scores, which was the goal of
many of the most conservative--get those test scores up so nobody will look
at what they weren't even beginning to teach in social studies requirements).
We had to endure *daily* suggestions that a curriculum would probably be
better than just "trusting" that we might find educational experiences. We
had to endure serious suggestions that homeschoolers should stay quietly in
their homes during "school hours" for the good of all homeschoolers. We had
to answer the Same Dumb Questions constantly and in public: How will they
learn to read? How will they learn times tables? How will they learn to
study? How will they learn discipline and obedience? How will they learn
anything the mother doesn't know?
Luckily for those who have only begun unschooling in the past three years or
so, those stories are now the quaint and distant past. It is rare now that
someone comes in not knowing at all what unschooling is, or insisting that
requiring math lessons doesn't keep them from being unschoolers. What was
constant for some of us is rare-to-never for newer participants, and so that
might be why some of the old timers are less patient than some newe
participants thought we would be.
Lots of us remember times when there weren't separate forums. Now there are.
There are now "safe" places for fundamentalist Christian curriculum users
where they can pretend none of us exist (or revile us without response).
There is a sweet, good place for Christian unschoolers to discuss unschooling
without non-Christian influences and suggestions. There are still lots of
"mixed" group discussions and lists. And then there are very few purely
unschooling places.
Someone claimed there were several others. I think "several" is too large a
number. If there are others people want to recommend (nobody listed them
when I asked the first time), I don't see how that could hurt anything.
But because I've come through too many years of having to defend unschooling
with so much energy we didn't have much left to discuss it, I am quick to
want to maintain the difference between unschooling and unit studies, from
those who teach writing and math but leave science, history and all else to
form up otherwise and separately (which I don't personally think will work
very well under those circumstances), and other "loose" but not unschooling
philosophies.
Sandra
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Tia Leschke
>The other unschooling lists I know about are:
>Someone claimed there were several others. I think "several" is too large a
>number. If there are others people want to recommend (nobody listed them
>when I asked the first time), I don't see how that could hurt anything.
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I have been offline for a couple of days, and am just catching up with all of
the discussions and posts. It appears to me that the list is going through a
bit of a challenge at the moment. Cindy and I (as moderators) have tried to
mainly stand back and let things work themselves out. That being said, I
would also like to point out that because of the past problems with this
list, we have decided to make it one with some "rules" (arghhhhh!!!!!!!! that
word grates on me like a fingernail on a chalkboard).
Please refrain from bringing up past grievances. No name calling. Refrain
from posts which are primarily argumentative, defensive . . . you all get the
picture. Anyway, I know everyone really wants to keep things on a respectful
basis. There is a wide variety of viewpoints on many issues like television,
what unschooling is, controls, etc. If we can keep discsussing these issues
in a respectful way, even though we may totally disagree, I think things will
smooth out. Thanks to all of you for your support.
living in abundance
lovemary
There are no victims in this world. . . only opportunities
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the discussions and posts. It appears to me that the list is going through a
bit of a challenge at the moment. Cindy and I (as moderators) have tried to
mainly stand back and let things work themselves out. That being said, I
would also like to point out that because of the past problems with this
list, we have decided to make it one with some "rules" (arghhhhh!!!!!!!! that
word grates on me like a fingernail on a chalkboard).
Please refrain from bringing up past grievances. No name calling. Refrain
from posts which are primarily argumentative, defensive . . . you all get the
picture. Anyway, I know everyone really wants to keep things on a respectful
basis. There is a wide variety of viewpoints on many issues like television,
what unschooling is, controls, etc. If we can keep discsussing these issues
in a respectful way, even though we may totally disagree, I think things will
smooth out. Thanks to all of you for your support.
living in abundance
lovemary
There are no victims in this world. . . only opportunities
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Sarah Carothers
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:09:30 EST, lite2yu@... wrote:
Sarah
--
Sarah Carothers, puddles@... on 01/26/2002
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>Thank you Lovemary (and Cindy). I think this list is doing great and except for my posts yesterday and today, I was trying to be respectful. I fell off the wagon with some of these accusations, though. I shall get back on the wagon, though<g>
>Please refrain from bringing up past grievances. No
>name calling. Refrain
>from posts which are primarily argumentative,
>defensive . . . you all get the
>picture. Anyway, I know everyone really wants to keep
>things on a respectful
>basis.
Sarah
--
Sarah Carothers, puddles@... on 01/26/2002
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joanna514
> Thank you Lovemary (and Cindy). I think this list is doing greatand except for my posts yesterday and today, I was trying to be
respectful. I fell off the wagon with some of these accusations,
though. I shall get back on the wagon, though<g>
> SarahUgliness? Accusations?
> --
> Sarah Carothers, puddles@t... on 01/26/2002
>
>
This all seems extremely sensitive(I got it right!) to me.
We have different opinons about what makes this list "good".
Show me where I or anyone has been nasty or rude or ugly, or accusing.
I CAN show you where you have been these things.
Joanna (who knows that some people are closing their eyes and
crossing their fingers and wishing really hard I would just go away,
and not mess with the "peace and serenity" that has been created by
them)
rumpleteasermom
I think you need to reread Sarah's post. She was not talking about
you. She was talking about herself, I think.
Bridget
you. She was talking about herself, I think.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "joanna514" <Wilkinson6@m...> wrote:
> > Thank you Lovemary (and Cindy). I think this list is doing great
> and except for my posts yesterday and today, I was trying to be
> respectful. I fell off the wagon with some of these accusations,
> though. I shall get back on the wagon, though<g>
> > Sarah
> > --
> > Sarah Carothers, puddles@t... on 01/26/2002
> >
> >
> Ugliness? Accusations?
> This all seems extremely sensitive(I got it right!) to me.
> We have different opinons about what makes this list "good".
> Show me where I or anyone has been nasty or rude or ugly, or
accusing.
> I CAN show you where you have been these things.
> Joanna (who knows that some people are closing their eyes and
> crossing their fingers and wishing really hard I would just go
away,
> and not mess with the "peace and serenity" that has been created by
> them)
joanna514
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "rumpleteasermom"
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
Maybe you're right.
I was assuming that "accusations" made her "fall off the wagon", not
the accusations from her, were the falling off.
Though I can't escape the idea that my ideas and opinions have been
categorized as trouble making. Something to be ignored. Ugly.
Atleast by some.
Joanna
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
> I think you need to reread Sarah's post. She was not talking aboutAhhh
> you. She was talking about herself, I think.
>
> Bridget
>
Maybe you're right.
I was assuming that "accusations" made her "fall off the wagon", not
the accusations from her, were the falling off.
Though I can't escape the idea that my ideas and opinions have been
categorized as trouble making. Something to be ignored. Ugly.
Atleast by some.
Joanna
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "joanna514" <Wilkinson6@m...> wrote:great
> > > Thank you Lovemary (and Cindy). I think this list is doing
> > and except for my posts yesterday and today, I was trying to beby
> > respectful. I fell off the wagon with some of these accusations,
> > though. I shall get back on the wagon, though<g>
> > > Sarah
> > > --
> > > Sarah Carothers, puddles@t... on 01/26/2002
> > >
> > >
> > Ugliness? Accusations?
> > This all seems extremely sensitive(I got it right!) to me.
> > We have different opinons about what makes this list "good".
> > Show me where I or anyone has been nasty or rude or ugly, or
> accusing.
> > I CAN show you where you have been these things.
> > Joanna (who knows that some people are closing their eyes and
> > crossing their fingers and wishing really hard I would just go
> away,
> > and not mess with the "peace and serenity" that has been created
> > them)
rumpleteasermom
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "joanna514" <Wilkinson6@m...> wrote:
are some who think I engineered the current atmosphere of the list
singlehandedly. Yeah, right! I wish I had that kind of power with my
language.
For the record, it never occurred to me that anyone was here merely
to stir up trouble until someone else said it. I don't think YOU are
here for that reason. It does bother me to think that there is a
list out there talking about me behind my back, but I'm trying to put
that paranoia out of my head!
Bridget
> Ahhhnot
> Maybe you're right.
> I was assuming that "accusations" made her "fall off the wagon",
> the accusations from her, were the falling off.I feel I have been categorized a bit here too. And I feel that there
> Though I can't escape the idea that my ideas and opinions have been
> categorized as trouble making. Something to be ignored. Ugly.
> Atleast by some.
> Joanna
>
>
are some who think I engineered the current atmosphere of the list
singlehandedly. Yeah, right! I wish I had that kind of power with my
language.
For the record, it never occurred to me that anyone was here merely
to stir up trouble until someone else said it. I don't think YOU are
here for that reason. It does bother me to think that there is a
list out there talking about me behind my back, but I'm trying to put
that paranoia out of my head!
Bridget
Cindy
lite2yu@... wrote:
issues with posts on that other list here. Yes, this list had some problems
and one of the results is a new list and some wounds for a lot of people.
But let's concentrate on building our community here and leave that list
and its members to building whatever they desire. Just so everyone knows
I am a member of that as well as this list. And just so everyone knows
I am a member of a lot of lists!
Some posts have been a bit on the edge - let's try to keep from falling
off that cliff, okay?
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
>I agree with what Mary said. I'd also like to ask that we not bring
> Please refrain from bringing up past grievances. No name calling. Refrain
> from posts which are primarily argumentative, defensive . . . you all get the
> picture. Anyway, I know everyone really wants to keep things on a respectful
> basis. There is a wide variety of viewpoints on many issues like television,
> what unschooling is, controls, etc. If we can keep discsussing these issues
> in a respectful way, even though we may totally disagree, I think things will
> smooth out. Thanks to all of you for your support.
>
issues with posts on that other list here. Yes, this list had some problems
and one of the results is a new list and some wounds for a lot of people.
But let's concentrate on building our community here and leave that list
and its members to building whatever they desire. Just so everyone knows
I am a member of that as well as this list. And just so everyone knows
I am a member of a lot of lists!
Some posts have been a bit on the edge - let's try to keep from falling
off that cliff, okay?
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/26/2002 5:39:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
crma@... writes:
toddler. I feel that continuing the discussion about the Always Learning
list falls under the category of old issues or past grievances and is better
left off of this list. Thanks again everyone!!
living in abundance
lovemary
There are no victims in this world. . . only opportunities
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
crma@... writes:
> I agree with what Mary said. I'd also like to ask that we not bringI was going to bring this point up earlier but got sidetracked with a
>
toddler. I feel that continuing the discussion about the Always Learning
list falls under the category of old issues or past grievances and is better
left off of this list. Thanks again everyone!!
living in abundance
lovemary
There are no victims in this world. . . only opportunities
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joseph Fuerst
Joanna,
I, for one, am grateful for your honest opinion about your perception of
the way this list has changed.
I took a break to enable me to start with a fresh perspective....and wasn't
sure I wanted to be a part of this list anymore. When the schism occurred,
I had made a committment (to myself) to stay here because the list is
connected with unschooling.com and HEM.....and I want to be a part of
supporting them for the *gifts* I've enjoyed through them.
I have been deschooling myself for the past several years and so have
grown in my approach and understanding of unschooling, and what it means.
One benefit of the *turmoil* from last fall was that *I* personally had a
breakthrough in my understanding and growth as an unschooler.
I agree with Ren....her posting of the quote by Marianne Williamson was
wonderful. And I think she articulated her position on unschooling quite
well.
(I hope this is not construed as bringing up past hurts!)....I have
refrained from saying much about some list members because through the
tumultuous times, at least one person who posts frequently basically lost
credibility with me. I don't know how to move beyond these feelings
appropriately without stirring the pot. I've found my best general course
is to keep scrolling past some things. It's a difficult place to be....I
want to be encouraging and helpful. And I think some things need to be
challenged, without personal attack.
We try to stick to discussing ideas....challenging ourselves and others,
but we are all human beings (as far as I know-LOL!)...and our feelings about
our ideas will shine through.
Challenging each other is important....it enables growth. There is a basic
minority of people who post prolifically...they color the tone of the list
greatly. And the way I see it, when the usually "lurky" folks get stirred
enough to jump in.....it's time to pay attention to what's being said.
On that note....I'mouttahere for tonight!
Authentically,
Susan
Ugliness? Accusations?
This all seems extremely sensitive(I got it right!) to me.
We have different opinons about what makes this list "good".
Show me where I or anyone has been nasty or rude or ugly, or accusing.
I CAN show you where you have been these things.
Joanna (who knows that some people are closing their eyes and
crossing their fingers and wishing really hard I would just go away,
and not mess with the "peace and serenity" that has been created by
them)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 23
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:22:59 -0600
From: "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1767
<<Is this "lame" or cool>>
I would think "cool". You talked with your kids and they are calling the
shots. Of course, what happens if game time goes up and the kids get grumpy
again? Do you gently point out that last time, the kids thought it was too
much game time, or do you march in and snatch the joystick out of their
hands? That I think is the key.
I finally came to my senses about TV about a year ago. For months, the
oldest sat on her fanny and watched re-runs. Drove me insane but I bit my
lip. Then the fighting and arguing started. We had a talk and oldest said
she feels better when she doesn't watch so much TV. She monitors herself.
This morning, she and the 8yo spent Saturday morning cartoon time playing
chess in another room. Still, sometimes she spends an entire day on the
couch, primarily when she is tired and needs to refresh herself.
Julie
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 24
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:32:33 -0600
From: Groundhoggirl <groundhoggirl@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1766
I, for one, am grateful for your honest opinion about your perception of
the way this list has changed.
I took a break to enable me to start with a fresh perspective....and wasn't
sure I wanted to be a part of this list anymore. When the schism occurred,
I had made a committment (to myself) to stay here because the list is
connected with unschooling.com and HEM.....and I want to be a part of
supporting them for the *gifts* I've enjoyed through them.
I have been deschooling myself for the past several years and so have
grown in my approach and understanding of unschooling, and what it means.
One benefit of the *turmoil* from last fall was that *I* personally had a
breakthrough in my understanding and growth as an unschooler.
I agree with Ren....her posting of the quote by Marianne Williamson was
wonderful. And I think she articulated her position on unschooling quite
well.
(I hope this is not construed as bringing up past hurts!)....I have
refrained from saying much about some list members because through the
tumultuous times, at least one person who posts frequently basically lost
credibility with me. I don't know how to move beyond these feelings
appropriately without stirring the pot. I've found my best general course
is to keep scrolling past some things. It's a difficult place to be....I
want to be encouraging and helpful. And I think some things need to be
challenged, without personal attack.
We try to stick to discussing ideas....challenging ourselves and others,
but we are all human beings (as far as I know-LOL!)...and our feelings about
our ideas will shine through.
Challenging each other is important....it enables growth. There is a basic
minority of people who post prolifically...they color the tone of the list
greatly. And the way I see it, when the usually "lurky" folks get stirred
enough to jump in.....it's time to pay attention to what's being said.
On that note....I'mouttahere for tonight!
Authentically,
Susan
Ugliness? Accusations?
This all seems extremely sensitive(I got it right!) to me.
We have different opinons about what makes this list "good".
Show me where I or anyone has been nasty or rude or ugly, or accusing.
I CAN show you where you have been these things.
Joanna (who knows that some people are closing their eyes and
crossing their fingers and wishing really hard I would just go away,
and not mess with the "peace and serenity" that has been created by
them)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 23
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:22:59 -0600
From: "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1767
<<Is this "lame" or cool>>
I would think "cool". You talked with your kids and they are calling the
shots. Of course, what happens if game time goes up and the kids get grumpy
again? Do you gently point out that last time, the kids thought it was too
much game time, or do you march in and snatch the joystick out of their
hands? That I think is the key.
I finally came to my senses about TV about a year ago. For months, the
oldest sat on her fanny and watched re-runs. Drove me insane but I bit my
lip. Then the fighting and arguing started. We had a talk and oldest said
she feels better when she doesn't watch so much TV. She monitors herself.
This morning, she and the 8yo spent Saturday morning cartoon time playing
chess in another room. Still, sometimes she spends an entire day on the
couch, primarily when she is tired and needs to refresh herself.
Julie
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 24
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:32:33 -0600
From: Groundhoggirl <groundhoggirl@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1766
On Saturday, January 26, 2002, at 12:10 PM, Julie Stauffer wrote:
> I will paraphrase Lynda since I still can't figure how to efficiently
> cut
> and paste in this email program. She basically wrote that the list was
> authoritarian and unbending in the past, and now isn't so it must be a
> better list.
++++++++++++++++++++
I also have the feeling/impression that this list is less authoritarian
than before and more accepting of different views.
========================
>
> In response, I have to say that I find the list all "newbie" related
> now.
> Which is fine, but it seems to be functioning on a more "remedial"
> unschooling level than before.
=====================
Yes, perhaps it is all "newbie" related now, but I don't see why we
can't have this list on multiple levels all at the same time. We always
have different threads going, and all those threads can be at different
levels, can't they?
====================
> But if we water down the essential oils of
> unschooling to where all is unschooling, we have done no favors to
> anyone.
Julie--who unbendingly and authoritatively defines this medium as e-mail
and
the portal to this room as a door
> =================
I am in no way being mean, rude, snooty, or whatever (just ignorant, I
guess) - but what do you mean by "But if we water ......." I don't
understand what you mean. Can you explain? Thanks.
Mimi
>
>
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:28:01 -0000
From: "rumpleteasermom" <rumpleteasermom@...>
Subject: Re: This list
I think you need to reread Sarah's post. She was not talking about
you. She was talking about herself, I think.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "joanna514" <Wilkinson6@m...> wrote:
> > Thank you Lovemary (and Cindy). I think this list is doing great
> and except for my posts yesterday and today, I was trying to be
> respectful. I fell off the wagon with some of these accusations,
> though. I shall get back on the wagon, though<g>
> > Sarah
> > --
> > Sarah Carothers, puddles@t... on 01/26/2002
> >
> >
> Ugliness? Accusations?
> This all seems extremely sensitive(I got it right!) to me.
> We have different opinons about what makes this list "good".
> Show me where I or anyone has been nasty or rude or ugly, or
accusing.
> I CAN show you where you have been these things.
> Joanna (who knows that some people are closing their eyes and
> crossing their fingers and wishing really hard I would just go
away,
> and not mess with the "peace and serenity" that has been created by
> them)
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Sarah Carothers
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:43:14 -0500, Joseph Fuerst wrote:
To me, this is more of a forum where we can gather to discuss all aspects of unschooling... from the doubts to the confident, not a place where I am seeking advice from only the 'experts'. I think Pat is such a good example of this. She came here with doubts, asked lots of questions, implemented some of the responses and disregarded what wasn't appealing to her and is moving right along. In the meantime, another new person came along with a few of the same type questions and Pat was able to contribute to that discussion (rather than sitting back and waiting for the 'experts' to do their thing).
I like where the list was heading and hope it continues to do so.
--
Sarah Carothers, puddles@... on 01/27/2002
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>And the way I see it, when the usuallyAnd along those same lines, when the new unschoolers decide to come out of lurkdom, it might be because they sense a feeling of acceptance... to the doubts and fears they are having. They feel they can come here and ask those nagging questions that most of us have experienced. Some of the responses will come from old pros who don't have any nagging questions any longer. Others who respond may still be at a place of doubt but sure feel good enough about their progress to step in and offer information.
>"lurky" folks get stirred
>enough to jump in.....it's time to pay attention to
>what's being said.
To me, this is more of a forum where we can gather to discuss all aspects of unschooling... from the doubts to the confident, not a place where I am seeking advice from only the 'experts'. I think Pat is such a good example of this. She came here with doubts, asked lots of questions, implemented some of the responses and disregarded what wasn't appealing to her and is moving right along. In the meantime, another new person came along with a few of the same type questions and Pat was able to contribute to that discussion (rather than sitting back and waiting for the 'experts' to do their thing).
I like where the list was heading and hope it continues to do so.
--
Sarah Carothers, puddles@... on 01/27/2002
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Lynda
Well, I'm not wishing you would go away. If I don't like what you post,
I'll use the delete key.
Lynda, who has never figured out why some folks seem to be allergic to the
"delete" key.
I'll use the delete key.
Lynda, who has never figured out why some folks seem to be allergic to the
"delete" key.
----- Original Message -----
From: "joanna514" <Wilkinson6@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 10:19 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: This list
> > Thank you Lovemary (and Cindy). I think this list is doing great
> and except for my posts yesterday and today, I was trying to be
> respectful. I fell off the wagon with some of these accusations,
> though. I shall get back on the wagon, though<g>
> > Sarah
> > --
> > Sarah Carothers, puddles@t... on 01/26/2002
> >
> >
> Ugliness? Accusations?
> This all seems extremely sensitive(I got it right!) to me.
> We have different opinons about what makes this list "good".
> Show me where I or anyone has been nasty or rude or ugly, or accusing.
> I CAN show you where you have been these things.
> Joanna (who knows that some people are closing their eyes and
> crossing their fingers and wishing really hard I would just go away,
> and not mess with the "peace and serenity" that has been created by
> them)
>
>
>
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>
Tia Leschke
>Challenging each other is important....it enables growth.*This* is what I mean when I talk about a whack upside the head.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Alan & Brenda Leonard
1/4/03 13:35:
I read for a couple days before I opened my mouth, and recall getting ticked
off at something somebody said in reply. I shut down the computer, whined
to my husband and came back a few days later. And read a lot more before
opening my big mouth again. I still remember what I was mad about. It was
stupid.
It took me awhile to get the feel of this list. It is different than many,
and I like it that way. And I think it's worth reading awhile to pick up
the sense of it. It's a suggestion, not a requirement. If someone chooses
to ignore the advice, that's their choice.
I do think information about the expand messages option would be useful in
the intro, though. I found the archives more annoying than useful.
brenda
> Ah, okay, now I remember. This is *that* list. <eg>I think it's worthwhile advice, actually.
>
> Maybe it's time to re-revise the intro?
I read for a couple days before I opened my mouth, and recall getting ticked
off at something somebody said in reply. I shut down the computer, whined
to my husband and came back a few days later. And read a lot more before
opening my big mouth again. I still remember what I was mad about. It was
stupid.
It took me awhile to get the feel of this list. It is different than many,
and I like it that way. And I think it's worth reading awhile to pick up
the sense of it. It's a suggestion, not a requirement. If someone chooses
to ignore the advice, that's their choice.
I do think information about the expand messages option would be useful in
the intro, though. I found the archives more annoying than useful.
brenda
Helen Hegener
At 10:14 PM +0100 1/4/03, Alan & Brenda Leonard wrote:
I'm willing to leave it as is. In another six months I'll probably go
through the same song and dance routine (whaddaya mean we advise
people to just read for *two whole weeks?*) and you can all tell me
to chill out again... <g>
Helen
>It took me awhile to get the feel of this list. It is different than many,Okay. I really appreciate everyone's perspective on the list intro -
>and I like it that way. And I think it's worth reading awhile to pick up
>the sense of it. It's a suggestion, not a requirement. If someone chooses
>to ignore the advice, that's their choice.
I'm willing to leave it as is. In another six months I'll probably go
through the same song and dance routine (whaddaya mean we advise
people to just read for *two whole weeks?*) and you can all tell me
to chill out again... <g>
>I do think information about the expand messages option would be useful inSounds good to me. Any volunteers to come up with some good wording we can add?
>the intro, though. I found the archives more annoying than useful.
Helen
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/20/2003 4:47:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
I'm really so sad that Judie felt so attacked about her own belief system
that she had to leave this list... and it's an unschooling support list at
that!<<<<
Well, no. It's an unschooling DISCUSSION list.The support, if any, is a
by-product.
~Kelly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected] writes:
I'm really so sad that Judie felt so attacked about her own belief system
that she had to leave this list... and it's an unschooling support list at
that!<<<<
Well, no. It's an unschooling DISCUSSION list.The support, if any, is a
by-product.
~Kelly
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
pam sorooshian
The list posting policies go out to anybody who signs onto the list,
but we haven't been sending them to the list for people to reread. I'm
not complaining - and this is not in response to any particular post or
thread or anything like that - but the reminders that people should
read a couple of weeks before posting reminded ME that we had intended
to send the list policies out at least once in a while to remind
everybody what they say.
I think the list has, in general, been going very very well and I
really appreciate all the great ideas and advice and ESPECIALLY the
analysis and deep thinking about parents and children and learning.
This list has 1,370+ members and that number is growing every day.
For those who are new to unschooling and/or to this list, let me assure
you that there will be plenty of opportunity for you to get your
questions answered - topics come and go and come back again. Just make
sure you've read the posting policies carefully and please only read
for at least a couple of weeks and get used to what this list is like
as it may be different than other homeschooling lists you've been on.
For those who are not new to the list, please reread the posting
policies I've provided below - it has been quite a while since we last
posted them.
Thanks for being here. Thanks for sharing a part of your lives with us.
Thanks for caring so much about your kids!!!
-pam
UnschoolingDiscussion Posting Policies
It is our sincere wish to provide a forum for those seeking to deepen
their
understanding of the unschooling philosophy. The primary purpose of this
list is to encourage the critical examination of ideas, beliefs and
viewpoints.
Questioning of deeply-held ideas and beliefs can be very uncomfortable
and
sometimes responses to that process can stand in the way of people
getting
what they need out of the list.
Therefore, we offer the following guidelines to help our members get the
most from the list:
1. Read for at least a couple of weeks before posting yourself. Spend
that
time getting a "feel" for the list and its members. This will help you
decide if this list is worth your time or whether some other list might
be
more useful to you in meeting your needs.
2 Expect your beliefs to be challenged. Welcome this as an opportunity
to
critically examine your own ideas.
3. When differences of opinion arise, stick to discussing ideas, not the
person with whom you are disagreeing.
4. If you have a belief or practice that you don't want held up to
public
examination, don't post it to the list.
5. Before you hit "send," consider whether your post will contribute
positively to the unschooling discussion.
6. Avoid using loaded terminology. For instance, "If you have no TV
restrictions why don't your kids just watch TV all day?" will get you
more
useful responses than, "I don't see how your kids learn anything if all
they
ever do is sit around like zombies watching unlimited TV."
7. It is not useful to inform the list that you believe someone else is
being rude or discourteous; please trust the rest of the list to
recognize
rudeness for themselves. Saying, "Jane was rude to me," just bogs down
the
list. It is also a waste of everyone's time when participants attempt to
correct or improve other list members' manners. It never works and
always
disrupts the list. Avoid
statements such as: "Jane, here is my suggestion of how you could write
more
nicely so people wouldn't think you are being rude."
8. Our brains automatically supply a "tone" to posts as we read. It can
be
helpful to imagine your best friend speaking the words you are reading,
in
the gentlest, most well-meaning tone you can imagine. It is
unacceptable to
attack the "tone" of the list or to make generalizations about it. "I've
been on many other lists and this one is the rudest I've seen," would be
unacceptable. Instead, attempt to create a positive, helpful tone with
your
own posts by setting the example you hope others will follow.
9. Envision every post and response as a dish at a potluck dinner. You
won't
love every dish at a potluck any more than you will love every poster's
style of help. But a dish/post may be exactly what someone else needs.
If
you don't like a certain list member's offerings, skip them and
leave them for others.
10. Read and write as clearly as you can. In casual conversation we
often
don't realize how much we rely on others to fill in the gist of our
conversation based on what they expect us to say. But here, without body
language or inflection, all we have to go on are your words and they
should
say what you mean. If you say, for example, you "never" do something, it
should not mean "almost never."
Our goal is to make the list as useful as possible for those seeking to
deepen their understanding of the unschooling philosophy. To do that,
all
new list members are initially moderated to prevent spamming and catch
posts
that could disrupt the list. People will also be moderated if they
disrupt
the usefulness of the list. Potentially disruptive posts will be
returned
for revision.
If you have questions, please write to:
[email protected]
but we haven't been sending them to the list for people to reread. I'm
not complaining - and this is not in response to any particular post or
thread or anything like that - but the reminders that people should
read a couple of weeks before posting reminded ME that we had intended
to send the list policies out at least once in a while to remind
everybody what they say.
I think the list has, in general, been going very very well and I
really appreciate all the great ideas and advice and ESPECIALLY the
analysis and deep thinking about parents and children and learning.
This list has 1,370+ members and that number is growing every day.
For those who are new to unschooling and/or to this list, let me assure
you that there will be plenty of opportunity for you to get your
questions answered - topics come and go and come back again. Just make
sure you've read the posting policies carefully and please only read
for at least a couple of weeks and get used to what this list is like
as it may be different than other homeschooling lists you've been on.
For those who are not new to the list, please reread the posting
policies I've provided below - it has been quite a while since we last
posted them.
Thanks for being here. Thanks for sharing a part of your lives with us.
Thanks for caring so much about your kids!!!
-pam
UnschoolingDiscussion Posting Policies
It is our sincere wish to provide a forum for those seeking to deepen
their
understanding of the unschooling philosophy. The primary purpose of this
list is to encourage the critical examination of ideas, beliefs and
viewpoints.
Questioning of deeply-held ideas and beliefs can be very uncomfortable
and
sometimes responses to that process can stand in the way of people
getting
what they need out of the list.
Therefore, we offer the following guidelines to help our members get the
most from the list:
1. Read for at least a couple of weeks before posting yourself. Spend
that
time getting a "feel" for the list and its members. This will help you
decide if this list is worth your time or whether some other list might
be
more useful to you in meeting your needs.
2 Expect your beliefs to be challenged. Welcome this as an opportunity
to
critically examine your own ideas.
3. When differences of opinion arise, stick to discussing ideas, not the
person with whom you are disagreeing.
4. If you have a belief or practice that you don't want held up to
public
examination, don't post it to the list.
5. Before you hit "send," consider whether your post will contribute
positively to the unschooling discussion.
6. Avoid using loaded terminology. For instance, "If you have no TV
restrictions why don't your kids just watch TV all day?" will get you
more
useful responses than, "I don't see how your kids learn anything if all
they
ever do is sit around like zombies watching unlimited TV."
7. It is not useful to inform the list that you believe someone else is
being rude or discourteous; please trust the rest of the list to
recognize
rudeness for themselves. Saying, "Jane was rude to me," just bogs down
the
list. It is also a waste of everyone's time when participants attempt to
correct or improve other list members' manners. It never works and
always
disrupts the list. Avoid
statements such as: "Jane, here is my suggestion of how you could write
more
nicely so people wouldn't think you are being rude."
8. Our brains automatically supply a "tone" to posts as we read. It can
be
helpful to imagine your best friend speaking the words you are reading,
in
the gentlest, most well-meaning tone you can imagine. It is
unacceptable to
attack the "tone" of the list or to make generalizations about it. "I've
been on many other lists and this one is the rudest I've seen," would be
unacceptable. Instead, attempt to create a positive, helpful tone with
your
own posts by setting the example you hope others will follow.
9. Envision every post and response as a dish at a potluck dinner. You
won't
love every dish at a potluck any more than you will love every poster's
style of help. But a dish/post may be exactly what someone else needs.
If
you don't like a certain list member's offerings, skip them and
leave them for others.
10. Read and write as clearly as you can. In casual conversation we
often
don't realize how much we rely on others to fill in the gist of our
conversation based on what they expect us to say. But here, without body
language or inflection, all we have to go on are your words and they
should
say what you mean. If you say, for example, you "never" do something, it
should not mean "almost never."
Our goal is to make the list as useful as possible for those seeking to
deepen their understanding of the unschooling philosophy. To do that,
all
new list members are initially moderated to prevent spamming and catch
posts
that could disrupt the list. People will also be moderated if they
disrupt
the usefulness of the list. Potentially disruptive posts will be
returned
for revision.
If you have questions, please write to:
[email protected]