Unjobbing
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Hi,
Has anyone read Unjobbing by Michael Fogler?
My dh is really unhappy in his job, and I'd like to get it ro read, and
maybe he will read it too.
I was just looking for thoughts on this book if you have read it.
Unfortunately our library doesn't carry it... I'll keep looking though.
Ann
Has anyone read Unjobbing by Michael Fogler?
My dh is really unhappy in his job, and I'd like to get it ro read, and
maybe he will read it too.
I was just looking for thoughts on this book if you have read it.
Unfortunately our library doesn't carry it... I'll keep looking though.
Ann
ambersand
Read it. It is available (or was) from Holt's Bookstore @ www.holtgws.com. You can also order it at any bookstore.
- Kandi
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Hi,
Has anyone read Unjobbing by Michael Fogler?
My dh is really unhappy in his job, and I'd like to get it ro read, and maybe he will read it too.
I was just looking for thoughts on this book if you have read it. Unfortunately our library doesn't carry it... I'll keep looking though.
Ann
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Hi,
Has anyone read Unjobbing by Michael Fogler?
My dh is really unhappy in his job, and I'd like to get it ro read, and maybe he will read it too.
I was just looking for thoughts on this book if you have read it. Unfortunately our library doesn't carry it... I'll keep looking though.
Ann
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> Hi,You could also suggest Wishcraft by Barbara Sher(sp?)
> Has anyone read Unjobbing by Michael Fogler?
> My dh is really unhappy in his job, and I'd like to
> get it ro read, and maybe he will read it too.
> I was just looking for thoughts on this book if you
> have read it. Unfortunately our library doesn't
> carry it... I'll keep looking though.
>
It has several exercises that might help him find what
his true passions are.
Samantha
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I was just going through an older issue (Sept/Oct. '98) of Growing without Schooling magazine last week when I came across an article called, 'Adults: Liberate Yourselves' by Michael Fogler on Un-Jobbing which really helped to open my eyes about the whole unschooling thing (kind of like an epiphany!) Here we are trying to unschool our kids when we as adults (well my DH anyway) is doing something he really hates, but feels he has to! Working for the (gulp) government! He goes through bouts of depression and has been on Prozac in the past (he is finally off of the Prozac and he now he takes Sam-e) It takes all he has just to get out the door in the morning. What an awful way to live. I don't think he should quit work and live like hermits in the wilderness, but perhaps if he did what he wanted to, like start his own business again..... Like his psychiatrist told him, "Do what you love and the money will follow"
Kim
From: "ambersand" <ambersand@...>
Subject: Re:Unjobbing
Read it. It is available (or was) from Holt's Bookstore @ www.holtgws.com. You can also order it at any bookstore.
- Kandi
--------------------------------------------------------------
Hi,
Has anyone read Unjobbing by Michael Fogler?
My dh is really unhappy in his job, and I'd like to get it ro read, and maybe he will read it too.
I was just looking for thoughts on this book if you have read it. Unfortunately our library doesn't carry it... I'll keep looking though.
Ann
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Kim
From: "ambersand" <ambersand@...>
Subject: Re:Unjobbing
Read it. It is available (or was) from Holt's Bookstore @ www.holtgws.com. You can also order it at any bookstore.
- Kandi
--------------------------------------------------------------
Hi,
Has anyone read Unjobbing by Michael Fogler?
My dh is really unhappy in his job, and I'd like to get it ro read, and maybe he will read it too.
I was just looking for thoughts on this book if you have read it. Unfortunately our library doesn't carry it... I'll keep looking though.
Ann
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Annette Yunker
he now he takes Sam-e) It takes all he has just to get out the door in the morning. What an awful way to live. I don't think he should quit work and live like hermits in the wilderness, but perhaps if he did what he wanted to, like start his own business again..... Like his psychiatrist told him, "Do what you love and the money will follow"
Kim
Kim,
I have battled borderline depression and unhappiness in recent months. I'm glad to hear your spouse is able to get off the Prozac and take the Sam-e. I have been reading alot about raw-food healing and have come across the recommendation to eat melon (any melon, variety is better anyway) for breakfast for at least 5-6 weeks. The melons are chock full of different B vitamins. Of course, this works best with someone following basic food combining principles (fruit on empty stomach in a.m.). Another thing I do is take a blended orange juice (a couple of oranges) with a bit of water and a couple of tablespoons of flax oil or canola or olive oil. The sugar of the oranges provides energy, but the oils allow the sugar to be released more slowly over time. Bach flower remedies are great too because you can pick the specific "mood" or thought to address, and they are very effective.
I am enjoying my journey in the unschooling life with my children, but I do see my husband and I headed in different directions as he is retired military now government contractor. The thinking process and lifestyle he relies upon in his world (evaluation, proof, "discipline", early morning riser, etc) is worlds away from where I am.
I wonder if it is common for one spouse to be skeptical - I wonder how many of you are blessed with a spouse who shares your unschooling vision? I believe in my heart that it is possible for both parents with differein visions to peacefully co-exist as long as mutual respect for the differing beliefs and styles exist. I would be interested in hearing from both experiences and neophytes in this regard
Annette
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Kim
Kim,
I have battled borderline depression and unhappiness in recent months. I'm glad to hear your spouse is able to get off the Prozac and take the Sam-e. I have been reading alot about raw-food healing and have come across the recommendation to eat melon (any melon, variety is better anyway) for breakfast for at least 5-6 weeks. The melons are chock full of different B vitamins. Of course, this works best with someone following basic food combining principles (fruit on empty stomach in a.m.). Another thing I do is take a blended orange juice (a couple of oranges) with a bit of water and a couple of tablespoons of flax oil or canola or olive oil. The sugar of the oranges provides energy, but the oils allow the sugar to be released more slowly over time. Bach flower remedies are great too because you can pick the specific "mood" or thought to address, and they are very effective.
I am enjoying my journey in the unschooling life with my children, but I do see my husband and I headed in different directions as he is retired military now government contractor. The thinking process and lifestyle he relies upon in his world (evaluation, proof, "discipline", early morning riser, etc) is worlds away from where I am.
I wonder if it is common for one spouse to be skeptical - I wonder how many of you are blessed with a spouse who shares your unschooling vision? I believe in my heart that it is possible for both parents with differein visions to peacefully co-exist as long as mutual respect for the differing beliefs and styles exist. I would be interested in hearing from both experiences and neophytes in this regard
Annette
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Mine is skeptical of unschooling. He thinks they need more structure. I
tell him he is welcome to provide structure anytime. :-) But he is so
busy with his business that the daily details are left to me anyway.
Ironically, he has "unschooled" himself into his current occupation
(which is definitely an Un-job!) and even did his best to legitimately
get out of many classes when he was in high school.
Mary Ellen
<snip> I wonder if it is common for one spouse to be skeptical - I wonder
how many of you are blessed with a spouse who shares your unschooling
vision? I believe in my heart that it is possible for both parents with
differein visions to peacefully co-exist as long as mutual respect for
the differing beliefs and styles exist. I would be interested in hearing
from both experiences and neophytes in this regard <snip>
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tell him he is welcome to provide structure anytime. :-) But he is so
busy with his business that the daily details are left to me anyway.
Ironically, he has "unschooled" himself into his current occupation
(which is definitely an Un-job!) and even did his best to legitimately
get out of many classes when he was in high school.
Mary Ellen
<snip> I wonder if it is common for one spouse to be skeptical - I wonder
how many of you are blessed with a spouse who shares your unschooling
vision? I believe in my heart that it is possible for both parents with
differein visions to peacefully co-exist as long as mutual respect for
the differing beliefs and styles exist. I would be interested in hearing
from both experiences and neophytes in this regard <snip>
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previous marriage, mostly because we don't know there were other
options. When #2 son had problems at the private catholic school we
were sending him to, we switched to a private lutheran school. Then
my husband got on that school board and found out that no one there
actually knew what they were doing or how to really run a school for
the benefit of the children. The principal, also the 7th and 8th
grade teacher, didn't even use proper grammer and was caught
threatening a student in the men's room for misbehaving. When he was
failing in the expensive private high school, we had endless meetings
with his teachers who all seemed uninspired. After all, if they
could, they would have been working in the ps system which paid
better. Eventually he was asked not to return and after one month in
ps where his gpa went from .something to 3.8, even though he skipped
most of the time, we let him unschool. I got him a job with one of my
clients and he bought his first car and had to figure out how to get
it registered and licensed and insured. By the time we were pregnant
with our daughter, we knew we weren't trusting anybody else with her -
no daycare, no school and we "started" the moment she was born. Every
moment of life is a learning experience as far as we are concerned.
We are both determined and dedicated and our sons, his mother and my
father are on board so we have a dedicated teaching "staff", each
offering our daughter the depth of their personal expertise. When one
of us wavers or has doubts (which happens after an outside attack
sometimes) the others rally to bring back the confidence. It's great!
>wonder
>
> <snip> I wonder if it is common for one spouse to be skeptical - I
> how many of you are blessed with a spouse who shares yourunschooling
> vision?My husband and I went the traditional way with my two sons from a
previous marriage, mostly because we don't know there were other
options. When #2 son had problems at the private catholic school we
were sending him to, we switched to a private lutheran school. Then
my husband got on that school board and found out that no one there
actually knew what they were doing or how to really run a school for
the benefit of the children. The principal, also the 7th and 8th
grade teacher, didn't even use proper grammer and was caught
threatening a student in the men's room for misbehaving. When he was
failing in the expensive private high school, we had endless meetings
with his teachers who all seemed uninspired. After all, if they
could, they would have been working in the ps system which paid
better. Eventually he was asked not to return and after one month in
ps where his gpa went from .something to 3.8, even though he skipped
most of the time, we let him unschool. I got him a job with one of my
clients and he bought his first car and had to figure out how to get
it registered and licensed and insured. By the time we were pregnant
with our daughter, we knew we weren't trusting anybody else with her -
no daycare, no school and we "started" the moment she was born. Every
moment of life is a learning experience as far as we are concerned.
We are both determined and dedicated and our sons, his mother and my
father are on board so we have a dedicated teaching "staff", each
offering our daughter the depth of their personal expertise. When one
of us wavers or has doubts (which happens after an outside attack
sometimes) the others rally to bring back the confidence. It's great!
Eileen M.
Although I am sure you are accurate in your assessment
of the particular people you were dealing with, it is
probably less than fair to categorize *all* teachers
that work in the private schools as desiring and being
unable to teach in ps system... I know several
excellent and inspired teachers who work in private
schools *because they care*. The ps system,
generally, treats teachers as it treats students... it
discourages individuality, creativity, and emotional
investment. Many teachers find that they are able to
better express their own unique style and gifts as
teachers in a private school setting, where they are
often less bogged down by beurocratic paperwork and
reporting schedules, and less hemmed in by mandated
teaching styles or 'standards'. One (very busy!)
friend taught in a private school (and tutored local
ps kids gratis) for a decade before moving on to work
as a professor for Harvard... he was a Rhodes Scholar,
a professional economic consultant to the governments
of several countries, and had a PhD from Princeton...
hardly an uninspired or ignorant teacher!
I don't doubt that hs is the best choice for your
children, or for mine. Certainly there are plenty of
uninspired and just downright toxic teachers out
there. But there are a lot of teachers out there who
struggle every day against the odds and their own
administrations to provide the best they can for their
students; it's an uphill battle, and a heroic one, and
teachers (for the most part) deserve our respect and
sympathy. It's a job most of us wouldn't want for
twice the pay...
--- tpeterson@... wrote:
The principal, also
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of the particular people you were dealing with, it is
probably less than fair to categorize *all* teachers
that work in the private schools as desiring and being
unable to teach in ps system... I know several
excellent and inspired teachers who work in private
schools *because they care*. The ps system,
generally, treats teachers as it treats students... it
discourages individuality, creativity, and emotional
investment. Many teachers find that they are able to
better express their own unique style and gifts as
teachers in a private school setting, where they are
often less bogged down by beurocratic paperwork and
reporting schedules, and less hemmed in by mandated
teaching styles or 'standards'. One (very busy!)
friend taught in a private school (and tutored local
ps kids gratis) for a decade before moving on to work
as a professor for Harvard... he was a Rhodes Scholar,
a professional economic consultant to the governments
of several countries, and had a PhD from Princeton...
hardly an uninspired or ignorant teacher!
I don't doubt that hs is the best choice for your
children, or for mine. Certainly there are plenty of
uninspired and just downright toxic teachers out
there. But there are a lot of teachers out there who
struggle every day against the odds and their own
administrations to provide the best they can for their
students; it's an uphill battle, and a heroic one, and
teachers (for the most part) deserve our respect and
sympathy. It's a job most of us wouldn't want for
twice the pay...
--- tpeterson@... wrote:
The principal, also
> the 7th and 8th__________________________________________________
> grade teacher, didn't even use proper grammer and
> was caught
> threatening a student in the men's room for
> misbehaving. When he was
> failing in the expensive private high school, we had
> endless meetings
> with his teachers who all seemed uninspired. After
> all, if they
> could, they would have been working in the ps system
> which paid
> better.
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Kim
Hi Annete,
We also take a handful of multiple vitamins every night. I don't think we could get enough of the vitamins in the foods we eat otherwise. We are also overweight, so we can't eat too much, at least enough to get all the vitamins we need. We have looked into the raw-foods thing as well, but we don't have the discipline to eat just raw foods! I guess that's why we're overweight! I originally came across a raw-foods healing book when my mother had breast cancer. I don't recall the name of the book now, but it was written by a nurse who had cancer and after a regimen of 99% raw-foods, juicing, mushrooms, tea and coffee enemas she went into remission and stayed that way for many years. She still eats an 80% raw foods diet. My DH's psychiatric MD (the one that prescribes medicine) was also into alternative medicines as well as the traditional meds like Prozac. He wanted him to take a regimen of carbohydrate pills that was formulated to be broken down slowly and keep the level of seratonin up. The idea was that certain carbohydrates make seratonin and if you kept the levels up, the patient would not get depressed. Well, it was too expensive and our insurance would not cover it. Sam-e is expensive too, but I know it works so it's worth it! A turkey sandwich on whole wheat bread is supposed to be a good seratonin booster. Probably the same as the pills the doctor wanted to prescribe. He also wants my DH to take flax-oil daily.
I think that my husband really doubts our unschooling ways when he is depressed or nearing a depressive episode. Otherwise, I think he pretty much trusts me. It's like you said, we have a mutual respect for each other.
Kim
From: "Annette Yunker" <amyunker@...>
Subject: Re: Re:Unjobbing
Kim,
I have battled borderline depression and unhappiness in recent months. I'm glad to hear your spouse is able to get off the Prozac and take the Sam-e. I have been reading alot about raw-food healing and have come across the recommendation to eat melon (any melon, variety is better anyway) for breakfast for at least 5-6 weeks. The melons are chock full of different B vitamins. Of course, this works best with someone following basic food combining principles (fruit on empty stomach in a.m.). Another thing I do is take a blended orange juice (a couple of oranges) with a bit of water and a couple of tablespoons of flax oil or canola or olive oil. The sugar of the oranges provides energy, but the oils allow the sugar to be released more slowly over time. Bach flower remedies are great too because you can pick the specific "mood" or thought to address, and they are very effective.
I am enjoying my journey in the unschooling life with my children, but I do see my husband and I headed in different directions as he is retired military now government contractor. The thinking process and lifestyle he relies upon in his world (evaluation, proof, "discipline", early morning riser, etc) is worlds away from where I am.
I wonder if it is common for one spouse to be skeptical - I wonder how many of you are blessed with a spouse who shares your unschooling vision? I believe in my heart that it is possible for both parents with differein visions to peacefully co-exist as long as mutual respect for the differing beliefs and styles exist. I would be interested in hearing from both experiences and neophytes in this regard
Annette
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We also take a handful of multiple vitamins every night. I don't think we could get enough of the vitamins in the foods we eat otherwise. We are also overweight, so we can't eat too much, at least enough to get all the vitamins we need. We have looked into the raw-foods thing as well, but we don't have the discipline to eat just raw foods! I guess that's why we're overweight! I originally came across a raw-foods healing book when my mother had breast cancer. I don't recall the name of the book now, but it was written by a nurse who had cancer and after a regimen of 99% raw-foods, juicing, mushrooms, tea and coffee enemas she went into remission and stayed that way for many years. She still eats an 80% raw foods diet. My DH's psychiatric MD (the one that prescribes medicine) was also into alternative medicines as well as the traditional meds like Prozac. He wanted him to take a regimen of carbohydrate pills that was formulated to be broken down slowly and keep the level of seratonin up. The idea was that certain carbohydrates make seratonin and if you kept the levels up, the patient would not get depressed. Well, it was too expensive and our insurance would not cover it. Sam-e is expensive too, but I know it works so it's worth it! A turkey sandwich on whole wheat bread is supposed to be a good seratonin booster. Probably the same as the pills the doctor wanted to prescribe. He also wants my DH to take flax-oil daily.
I think that my husband really doubts our unschooling ways when he is depressed or nearing a depressive episode. Otherwise, I think he pretty much trusts me. It's like you said, we have a mutual respect for each other.
Kim
From: "Annette Yunker" <amyunker@...>
Subject: Re: Re:Unjobbing
Kim,
I have battled borderline depression and unhappiness in recent months. I'm glad to hear your spouse is able to get off the Prozac and take the Sam-e. I have been reading alot about raw-food healing and have come across the recommendation to eat melon (any melon, variety is better anyway) for breakfast for at least 5-6 weeks. The melons are chock full of different B vitamins. Of course, this works best with someone following basic food combining principles (fruit on empty stomach in a.m.). Another thing I do is take a blended orange juice (a couple of oranges) with a bit of water and a couple of tablespoons of flax oil or canola or olive oil. The sugar of the oranges provides energy, but the oils allow the sugar to be released more slowly over time. Bach flower remedies are great too because you can pick the specific "mood" or thought to address, and they are very effective.
I am enjoying my journey in the unschooling life with my children, but I do see my husband and I headed in different directions as he is retired military now government contractor. The thinking process and lifestyle he relies upon in his world (evaluation, proof, "discipline", early morning riser, etc) is worlds away from where I am.
I wonder if it is common for one spouse to be skeptical - I wonder how many of you are blessed with a spouse who shares your unschooling vision? I believe in my heart that it is possible for both parents with differein visions to peacefully co-exist as long as mutual respect for the differing beliefs and styles exist. I would be interested in hearing from both experiences and neophytes in this regard
Annette
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up in the heat of the memory which was a terrible time for us. Now
that you mention it, there were two or three teachers who were more
dedicated, but we dealt with so many who weren't that the experience
was overwhelming! I felt especially guilty that I entrusted my
children every day to these people, ignorantly thinking that they had
the child's best interest at heart. We are now at the other end of
the pendulum swing and entrust our daughter to very few and now that
she's almost nine, I know that I must give her a little more space,
but I also know I'll be lurking in the background, ready to
intervene...
Terese
> Although I am sure you are accurate in your assessmentYou are quite right. I apologize for the generalization, I was caught
> of the particular people you were dealing with, it is
> probably less than fair to categorize *all* teachers
> that work in the private schools as desiring and being
> unable to teach in ps system...
up in the heat of the memory which was a terrible time for us. Now
that you mention it, there were two or three teachers who were more
dedicated, but we dealt with so many who weren't that the experience
was overwhelming! I felt especially guilty that I entrusted my
children every day to these people, ignorantly thinking that they had
the child's best interest at heart. We are now at the other end of
the pendulum swing and entrust our daughter to very few and now that
she's almost nine, I know that I must give her a little more space,
but I also know I'll be lurking in the background, ready to
intervene...
Terese
>
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Hi,
this is probably a bit more radical than the unjobbing book but I'm not
sure as I haven't read it. Anyway here's a site I like. :)
http://www.whywork.org/
Elaine (UK)
Btw I'm your girl for any frugal/voluntary simplicity/sustainable
cities/self sufficiency links you could want :)
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this is probably a bit more radical than the unjobbing book but I'm not
sure as I haven't read it. Anyway here's a site I like. :)
http://www.whywork.org/
Elaine (UK)
Btw I'm your girl for any frugal/voluntary simplicity/sustainable
cities/self sufficiency links you could want :)
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