Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] For Laura (mindful parenting)
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In a message dated 5/5/2001 4:58:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
valfitz@... writes:
<<< Here's something I gave to Laurie...in email and in life.
This (the offering to Laurie in your post) was beautiful, Valerie. I hope
it's in your book.
<< Mindful parenting wasn't exhausting to me. It was the easiest thing
I've ever done. If I can offer you one bit of advice...
This, I can't grasp. It (mindful parenting) is a process for me. First, the
"seeing clearly" part. Weeding out memes, the old ways of accepting without
questioning. Then the search for the True ways of parenting, the ways that
speak to my heart. First comes this work, then contemplation, then action.
Yes, that part, the act of parenting mindfully, is "easy" in that it feels
right, knowing we are on the right path together. But without the work part
-- the questioning and contemplation -- I would still be mired in "old
thought" ways of parenting, doing what "worked" for my parents.
<<< Trust yourself, believe in yourself and have faith that it will be
okay. You're a great mom doing your best. That's all any of us can do.
I have a friend who is a teacher at an elementary school. She works there
because her son is there. She has her master's in education and helps to
implement the new "Standards of Learning" tests here in VA. Her son, my son's
best friend, was a ball of energy, but having trouble sitting at a desk in
first grade. This showed up in reading where he was "behind" the other kids
in his class. (I don't have to state my opinion of all this crap, do I? You
know how I felt, hearing it, but I bit my tongue, so that my friend felt she
could confide in me.) Anyway, three weeks into the school year, the boy was
on Ritalin or Adderol or whatever. The mom said he was doing much better in
class, but, playing at our house, he was not the same child. Quiet, biddable
-- !! Oh, yes, I can see why it would be easier for a teacher to have a class
full of kids like this. Anyway, my point was -- this mom truly loves her
child. She did what she thought was best. In my opinion, she didn't "do the
work". The questioning, the exhausting part. When the same first grade
teacher her little boy has, had my older son in class and mentioned ADD, I
went to the library, I called friends and family, my pediatrician (who, to
his credit, sent me some Xeroxed literature on ADD), searched the Internet --
until I could put together the knowledge that I had gained with the feelings
in my heart. Mainly, why would ANYONE drug their child to fit a learning
situation, rather than change the learning situation to fit their child?
This -- the gathering knowledge part -- SHOULD be exhausting. It's a
satisfying exhaustion, though. :)
I asked once, over at the message boards, how some of the wiser mommas came
to unschooling. What was their path? Or were they, like Athena from the head
of Zeus, birthed from John Holt fully unschooled themselves. See, the
process, the path it took to get there, was of more help and interest to me
than talking about the end-destination -- how great everything was in
Unschooling Land. Not "How to Do It", but "What Caused You To Seek This
Path?" Never Stop Questioning. (Hangs in our dining room next to Question
Authority. :)
Laura
valfitz@... writes:
<<< Here's something I gave to Laurie...in email and in life.
This (the offering to Laurie in your post) was beautiful, Valerie. I hope
it's in your book.
<< Mindful parenting wasn't exhausting to me. It was the easiest thing
I've ever done. If I can offer you one bit of advice...
This, I can't grasp. It (mindful parenting) is a process for me. First, the
"seeing clearly" part. Weeding out memes, the old ways of accepting without
questioning. Then the search for the True ways of parenting, the ways that
speak to my heart. First comes this work, then contemplation, then action.
Yes, that part, the act of parenting mindfully, is "easy" in that it feels
right, knowing we are on the right path together. But without the work part
-- the questioning and contemplation -- I would still be mired in "old
thought" ways of parenting, doing what "worked" for my parents.
<<< Trust yourself, believe in yourself and have faith that it will be
okay. You're a great mom doing your best. That's all any of us can do.
I have a friend who is a teacher at an elementary school. She works there
because her son is there. She has her master's in education and helps to
implement the new "Standards of Learning" tests here in VA. Her son, my son's
best friend, was a ball of energy, but having trouble sitting at a desk in
first grade. This showed up in reading where he was "behind" the other kids
in his class. (I don't have to state my opinion of all this crap, do I? You
know how I felt, hearing it, but I bit my tongue, so that my friend felt she
could confide in me.) Anyway, three weeks into the school year, the boy was
on Ritalin or Adderol or whatever. The mom said he was doing much better in
class, but, playing at our house, he was not the same child. Quiet, biddable
-- !! Oh, yes, I can see why it would be easier for a teacher to have a class
full of kids like this. Anyway, my point was -- this mom truly loves her
child. She did what she thought was best. In my opinion, she didn't "do the
work". The questioning, the exhausting part. When the same first grade
teacher her little boy has, had my older son in class and mentioned ADD, I
went to the library, I called friends and family, my pediatrician (who, to
his credit, sent me some Xeroxed literature on ADD), searched the Internet --
until I could put together the knowledge that I had gained with the feelings
in my heart. Mainly, why would ANYONE drug their child to fit a learning
situation, rather than change the learning situation to fit their child?
This -- the gathering knowledge part -- SHOULD be exhausting. It's a
satisfying exhaustion, though. :)
I asked once, over at the message boards, how some of the wiser mommas came
to unschooling. What was their path? Or were they, like Athena from the head
of Zeus, birthed from John Holt fully unschooled themselves. See, the
process, the path it took to get there, was of more help and interest to me
than talking about the end-destination -- how great everything was in
Unschooling Land. Not "How to Do It", but "What Caused You To Seek This
Path?" Never Stop Questioning. (Hangs in our dining room next to Question
Authority. :)
Laura
Eileen M.
My experience in trying to get help for my son from
the medical/therapeutic community is that not only is
medication the first option offered when your child is
diagnosed with ADHD, but that the doctors are shocked
and condescending and condemning when you tell them
you don't want to do so. I have been told that sooner
or later I'd be forced by circumstances to do so, that
denying him meds is like denying a hearing impaired
person a hearing aid, that I was depriving him of the
chance to function like the other kids, depriving him
of the chance to experience success... I was called a
'remarkably knowledgeable consumer and dedicated
mother' by one therapist, and then five minutes later
told that I shouldn't 'descend to Christian Scientist
level'... the difference being that by then I had told
him that I was not planning to medicate my son.
The amazing thing for me was that I had done a great
deal of research, and had very *rational* reasons for
making my decision, could back it up with facts, and
they STILL acted as though I were doing something
totally backward and ignorant.
I came to the conclusion that they have become so
accustomed to people receiving the meds with gratitude
and relief for the 'magic' answer that talking to me
was rather like running along a clear road and
suddenly hitting a brick wall face first... it's such
a shock that they just can't really understand how it
could be there.
It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
have to assume that your stance is going to be met
with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
Eileen
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the medical/therapeutic community is that not only is
medication the first option offered when your child is
diagnosed with ADHD, but that the doctors are shocked
and condescending and condemning when you tell them
you don't want to do so. I have been told that sooner
or later I'd be forced by circumstances to do so, that
denying him meds is like denying a hearing impaired
person a hearing aid, that I was depriving him of the
chance to function like the other kids, depriving him
of the chance to experience success... I was called a
'remarkably knowledgeable consumer and dedicated
mother' by one therapist, and then five minutes later
told that I shouldn't 'descend to Christian Scientist
level'... the difference being that by then I had told
him that I was not planning to medicate my son.
The amazing thing for me was that I had done a great
deal of research, and had very *rational* reasons for
making my decision, could back it up with facts, and
they STILL acted as though I were doing something
totally backward and ignorant.
I came to the conclusion that they have become so
accustomed to people receiving the meds with gratitude
and relief for the 'magic' answer that talking to me
was rather like running along a clear road and
suddenly hitting a brick wall face first... it's such
a shock that they just can't really understand how it
could be there.
It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
have to assume that your stance is going to be met
with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
Eileen
--- parrishml@... wrote:
> searched the Internet --__________________________________________________
> until I could put together the knowledge that I had
> gained with the feelings
> in my heart. Mainly, why would ANYONE drug their
> child to fit a learning
> situation, rather than change the learning situation
> to fit their child?
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>Reminds me of the time i went to the doctor becuse I was very
> I came to the conclusion that they have become so
> accustomed to people receiving the meds with gratitude
> and relief for the 'magic' answer .
depressed, a condition I suffered from regularly, and I told the
doctor I was depressed but i did not want to take any kind of
medication..................
Well, wooooo, why was I there then!
Marianne
Eileen M.
ROFL! Been there!
Eileen
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--- tonitoni@... wrote:
>__________________________________________________
> Reminds me of the time i went to the doctor becuse I
> was very
> depressed, a condition I suffered from regularly,
> and I told the
> doctor I was depressed but i did not want to take
> any kind of
> medication..................
>
> Well, wooooo, why was I there then!
> Marianne
>
>
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Lynda
We have a whole society raised under the Prussian model for public schools,
the easy way, don't rock the boat, don't question authority, only the
"experts" have the answer, do as you're told and take the magic pill and all
will be right with the world.
NOT!
Ritalin, Prozac, and a million others that are making pharmaceutical
companies rich. Yes, they may help some but they aren't magic and they
shouldn't be the first choice but rather the last choice when all other
options and avenues have been explored.
Lynda
the easy way, don't rock the boat, don't question authority, only the
"experts" have the answer, do as you're told and take the magic pill and all
will be right with the world.
NOT!
Ritalin, Prozac, and a million others that are making pharmaceutical
companies rich. Yes, they may help some but they aren't magic and they
shouldn't be the first choice but rather the last choice when all other
options and avenues have been explored.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen M." <ravensegg@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] mindful parenting
> My experience in trying to get help for my son from
> the medical/therapeutic community is that not only is
> medication the first option offered when your child is
> diagnosed with ADHD, but that the doctors are shocked
> and condescending and condemning when you tell them
> you don't want to do so. I have been told that sooner
> or later I'd be forced by circumstances to do so, that
> denying him meds is like denying a hearing impaired
> person a hearing aid, that I was depriving him of the
> chance to function like the other kids, depriving him
> of the chance to experience success... I was called a
> 'remarkably knowledgeable consumer and dedicated
> mother' by one therapist, and then five minutes later
> told that I shouldn't 'descend to Christian Scientist
> level'... the difference being that by then I had told
> him that I was not planning to medicate my son.
>
> The amazing thing for me was that I had done a great
> deal of research, and had very *rational* reasons for
> making my decision, could back it up with facts, and
> they STILL acted as though I were doing something
> totally backward and ignorant.
>
> I came to the conclusion that they have become so
> accustomed to people receiving the meds with gratitude
> and relief for the 'magic' answer that talking to me
> was rather like running along a clear road and
> suddenly hitting a brick wall face first... it's such
> a shock that they just can't really understand how it
> could be there.
>
> It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
> and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
> have to assume that your stance is going to be met
> with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
> knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
> that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
>
> Eileen
> --- parrishml@... wrote:
>
> > searched the Internet --
> > until I could put together the knowledge that I had
> > gained with the feelings
> > in my heart. Mainly, why would ANYONE drug their
> > child to fit a learning
> > situation, rather than change the learning situation
> > to fit their child?
>
>
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Eileen M.
I agree entirely. I just simply don't want to mess
with his brain chemistry while his brain and body are
still developing... there are too many risks involved
IMO unless your child is horrendously and chronically
unhappy (or hurting other people) and the other
options have all been tried and failed. My child is
not horrendously or chronically unhappy, and all other
options have not been tried. So there's no reason to
mess with his body.
Eileen
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with his brain chemistry while his brain and body are
still developing... there are too many risks involved
IMO unless your child is horrendously and chronically
unhappy (or hurting other people) and the other
options have all been tried and failed. My child is
not horrendously or chronically unhappy, and all other
options have not been tried. So there's no reason to
mess with his body.
Eileen
> Ritalin, Prozac, and a million others that are__________________________________________________
> making pharmaceutical
> companies rich. Yes, they may help some but they
> aren't magic and they
> shouldn't be the first choice but rather the last
> choice when all other
> options and avenues have been explored.
>
> Lynda
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Valerie
I read Summerhill, all of John Holt's books, Growing Without
Schooling newsletter, Magical Child, Deschooling Society...uhm... I'm
sure there's more... BEFORE Laurie was born. I made up my mind that
my child/children would never attend school unless it was something
they vocalized wanting to try.
My parents were such wonderful parents UNTIL I became a teenager and
my opinions differed from theirs. Their views are very narrow,
prejudiced and include no room for anything different. I vowed that
when I had children I would give them more room to grow. I vowed to
be friends with my children, giving them total respect and not
belittling any thoughts or dreams they had, no matter what they were.
So, I did my homework before she was born. The searching had already
been done and my heart, mind and soul knew this was the only way to
go. There was nothing left to contemplate. Actually, just reading
that first book, Summerhill...I knew.
love, Valerie
Schooling newsletter, Magical Child, Deschooling Society...uhm... I'm
sure there's more... BEFORE Laurie was born. I made up my mind that
my child/children would never attend school unless it was something
they vocalized wanting to try.
My parents were such wonderful parents UNTIL I became a teenager and
my opinions differed from theirs. Their views are very narrow,
prejudiced and include no room for anything different. I vowed that
when I had children I would give them more room to grow. I vowed to
be friends with my children, giving them total respect and not
belittling any thoughts or dreams they had, no matter what they were.
So, I did my homework before she was born. The searching had already
been done and my heart, mind and soul knew this was the only way to
go. There was nothing left to contemplate. Actually, just reading
that first book, Summerhill...I knew.
love, Valerie
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., parrishml@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/5/2001 4:58:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> valfitz@y... writes:
> <<< Here's something I gave to Laurie...in email and in life.
>
>
> This (the offering to Laurie in your post) was beautiful, Valerie.
I hope
> it's in your book.
>
> << Mindful parenting wasn't exhausting to me. It was the easiest
thing
> I've ever done. If I can offer you one bit of advice...
>
> This, I can't grasp. It (mindful parenting) is a process for me.
First, the
> "seeing clearly" part. Weeding out memes, the old ways of accepting
without
> questioning. Then the search for the True ways of parenting, the
ways that
> speak to my heart. First comes this work, then contemplation, then
action.
> Yes, that part, the act of parenting mindfully, is "easy" in that
it feels
> right, knowing we are on the right path together. But without the
work part
> -- the questioning and contemplation -- I would still be mired
in "old
> thought" ways of parenting, doing what "worked" for my parents.
>
> <<< Trust yourself, believe in yourself and have faith that it
will be
> okay. You're a great mom doing your best. That's all any of us can
do.
>
Lynda
The only one of our older children we did not vaccinate is the only one who
doesn't exhibit some signs of ADD/ADHD. Out of the gate the docs wanted to
put them all on Ritalin. Back in the dark ages (before internet searches),
I spent hours/days/weeks/months searching the library, going to bigger city
libraries, going to teaching hospital libraries and writing letters. We
found lots of interesting things and then "discovered" Feingold.
http://www.feingold.org
Once we started looking at things from the diet end of the spectrum and
about teaching the kidlets to be aware of what was happening with their
bodies, how they could be in control, what a weight was lifted.
All the scare tactics, he'll never [fill in the blank with hundreds of
things] if you don't give him Ritalin didn't come true. He is an avid
reader (one of the nevers), he is a whiz at math (another never), owns a
brand new van, brand new truck, a vintage Corvette, a house on 10 acres
(he'll never get or hold down a good paying job), a lovely wife and daughter
(he'll never be able to maintain relationships) and the list goes on.
Hang in there, Eileen, cause they don't know half as much as they think they
do!!!!
Lynda
doesn't exhibit some signs of ADD/ADHD. Out of the gate the docs wanted to
put them all on Ritalin. Back in the dark ages (before internet searches),
I spent hours/days/weeks/months searching the library, going to bigger city
libraries, going to teaching hospital libraries and writing letters. We
found lots of interesting things and then "discovered" Feingold.
http://www.feingold.org
Once we started looking at things from the diet end of the spectrum and
about teaching the kidlets to be aware of what was happening with their
bodies, how they could be in control, what a weight was lifted.
All the scare tactics, he'll never [fill in the blank with hundreds of
things] if you don't give him Ritalin didn't come true. He is an avid
reader (one of the nevers), he is a whiz at math (another never), owns a
brand new van, brand new truck, a vintage Corvette, a house on 10 acres
(he'll never get or hold down a good paying job), a lovely wife and daughter
(he'll never be able to maintain relationships) and the list goes on.
Hang in there, Eileen, cause they don't know half as much as they think they
do!!!!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen M." <ravensegg@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] mindful parenting
> I agree entirely. I just simply don't want to mess
> with his brain chemistry while his brain and body are
> still developing... there are too many risks involved
> IMO unless your child is horrendously and chronically
> unhappy (or hurting other people) and the other
> options have all been tried and failed. My child is
> not horrendously or chronically unhappy, and all other
> options have not been tried. So there's no reason to
> mess with his body.
>
> Eileen
>
> > Ritalin, Prozac, and a million others that are
> > making pharmaceutical
> > companies rich. Yes, they may help some but they
> > aren't magic and they
> > shouldn't be the first choice but rather the last
> > choice when all other
> > options and avenues have been explored.
> >
> > Lynda
>
>
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Valerie
lol...try being an UNSCHOOLER in the 80's.. I had complete strangers
get in my face and tell me I was ruining my child's life, and WHY
would I want to raise a stupid child on purpose? The funniest one
was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in hamburger joint
told me that I was raising a loser... I always just smiled when these
people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
love, Valerie
get in my face and tell me I was ruining my child's life, and WHY
would I want to raise a stupid child on purpose? The funniest one
was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in hamburger joint
told me that I was raising a loser... I always just smiled when these
people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
love, Valerie
> It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
> and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
> have to assume that your stance is going to be met
> with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
> knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
> that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
>
> Eileen
Eileen M.
I think that's funny, too... but I *hope* she didn't
say that in front of Laurie!
Eileen
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say that in front of Laurie!
Eileen
--- Valerie <valfitz@...> wrote:
> The funniest one__________________________________________________
> was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in
> hamburger joint
> told me that I was raising a loser... I always just
> smiled when these
> people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
>
> love, Valerie
>
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Lynda
Where were you in the 60s???? We'd have had a ball making little ol' ladies
faint <g>
The first batch of kidlets (we raised our nieces and nephews for awhile, 10,
8, 7, 6 and 2) and I use to spend a couple of mornings each week in the
laundry mat playing games, flying paper airplanes, reading books, playing
patty cake and generally carrying on. Ya know, unschooling, just having
fun. I was Mamma-Lyn (19) and you should have been there the day the LOL
brigade was there! One of the LOLs asked why my brothers and sisters
weren't in school. I said we don't "do" school, and being young and having
a "hippy" moment, I said "all the world's our school." Tony (10) pipes up
with "She's not our sister, she's Mamma-Lyn." I'm thinking, maybe I better
explain that one but they turned their backs on us with that weaned on
vinegar and using a lemon wedge as a pacifer look.
Well, about then Nicki Jon (6) started asking when we were going home and if
we could have baby chickens (cornish game hens) for dinner. I told him we
would stop on the way home and have Papa (what they called my fil, their
grandfather) give us some (he owned a butcher shop) so we would have dinner
ready when Uncle got home. A little while later, Penny (2) asked
"Mamma-Lyn, Mamma-Lyn, stories in bed?" I said, "Yes, Sweetie, when Uncle
and I go to bed you can cuddle and I'll read you a story."
Only when I heard a LOUD gasp and turned to see the brigade go stomping out
the door muttering about "can you image a child that age with children . .
." did I realise what our conversation must have sounded like to a bunch of
old biddies <g>
Evil and wicked enough that we didn't "do" school <<<bewg>>> My poor fil
would have died if he had known what they must have been thinking!
Lynda
faint <g>
The first batch of kidlets (we raised our nieces and nephews for awhile, 10,
8, 7, 6 and 2) and I use to spend a couple of mornings each week in the
laundry mat playing games, flying paper airplanes, reading books, playing
patty cake and generally carrying on. Ya know, unschooling, just having
fun. I was Mamma-Lyn (19) and you should have been there the day the LOL
brigade was there! One of the LOLs asked why my brothers and sisters
weren't in school. I said we don't "do" school, and being young and having
a "hippy" moment, I said "all the world's our school." Tony (10) pipes up
with "She's not our sister, she's Mamma-Lyn." I'm thinking, maybe I better
explain that one but they turned their backs on us with that weaned on
vinegar and using a lemon wedge as a pacifer look.
Well, about then Nicki Jon (6) started asking when we were going home and if
we could have baby chickens (cornish game hens) for dinner. I told him we
would stop on the way home and have Papa (what they called my fil, their
grandfather) give us some (he owned a butcher shop) so we would have dinner
ready when Uncle got home. A little while later, Penny (2) asked
"Mamma-Lyn, Mamma-Lyn, stories in bed?" I said, "Yes, Sweetie, when Uncle
and I go to bed you can cuddle and I'll read you a story."
Only when I heard a LOUD gasp and turned to see the brigade go stomping out
the door muttering about "can you image a child that age with children . .
." did I realise what our conversation must have sounded like to a bunch of
old biddies <g>
Evil and wicked enough that we didn't "do" school <<<bewg>>> My poor fil
would have died if he had known what they must have been thinking!
Lynda
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From: "Valerie" <valfitz@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: mindful parenting
> lol...try being an UNSCHOOLER in the 80's.. I had complete strangers
> get in my face and tell me I was ruining my child's life, and WHY
> would I want to raise a stupid child on purpose? The funniest one
> was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in hamburger joint
> told me that I was raising a loser... I always just smiled when these
> people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
>
> love, Valerie
>
>
> > It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
> > and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
> > have to assume that your stance is going to be met
> > with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
> > knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
> > that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
> >
> > Eileen
>
>
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Eileen M.
Thank you for your story! Very reassuring, I must
say, since I certainly am getting a lot of 'never
will's too... but there were at least a lot of 'may
never's when he was a toddler, and he's come a long
way since then. Doctors say an awful lot of twaddle in
order to avoid saying "those three little words that
men find so hard to say", don't they?
Diet can be very important. There's a lot of
interesting links between kids with Aspergers/Autism
and food sensitivities/allergies, among other things.
My son is sensitive to corn, dairy, and to some degree
wheat. Once we have him out of ps (he eats stuff he
shouldn't at lunch) we plan to go totally wholefood
and avoid all three completely, plus dyes and some
other stuff. Diet Control... another perk of
homeschooling! We'll see how he does on that...
Eileen
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say, since I certainly am getting a lot of 'never
will's too... but there were at least a lot of 'may
never's when he was a toddler, and he's come a long
way since then. Doctors say an awful lot of twaddle in
order to avoid saying "those three little words that
men find so hard to say", don't they?
Diet can be very important. There's a lot of
interesting links between kids with Aspergers/Autism
and food sensitivities/allergies, among other things.
My son is sensitive to corn, dairy, and to some degree
wheat. Once we have him out of ps (he eats stuff he
shouldn't at lunch) we plan to go totally wholefood
and avoid all three completely, plus dyes and some
other stuff. Diet Control... another perk of
homeschooling! We'll see how he does on that...
Eileen
--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> Hang in there, Eileen, cause they don't know half as__________________________________________________
> much as they think they
> do!!!!
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Eileen, we've gone totally organic, gotten rid of all the pots and pans that
aren't stainless steal and cast iron and gotten rid of all the plastics.
This has also made a big difference in the kidlets and their allergies and
in some behavior areas.
Lynda
aren't stainless steal and cast iron and gotten rid of all the plastics.
This has also made a big difference in the kidlets and their allergies and
in some behavior areas.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen M." <ravensegg@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] mindful parenting
> Thank you for your story! Very reassuring, I must
> say, since I certainly am getting a lot of 'never
> will's too... but there were at least a lot of 'may
> never's when he was a toddler, and he's come a long
> way since then. Doctors say an awful lot of twaddle in
> order to avoid saying "those three little words that
> men find so hard to say", don't they?
>
> Diet can be very important. There's a lot of
> interesting links between kids with Aspergers/Autism
> and food sensitivities/allergies, among other things.
> My son is sensitive to corn, dairy, and to some degree
> wheat. Once we have him out of ps (he eats stuff he
> shouldn't at lunch) we plan to go totally wholefood
> and avoid all three completely, plus dyes and some
> other stuff. Diet Control... another perk of
> homeschooling! We'll see how he does on that...
>
> Eileen
>
Eileen M.
I've talked to my husband about that, and he's pretty
resistant... too expensive, for one thing, and too
much work for another. I plan to sort of edge it in
gradually... ;)
Eileen
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resistant... too expensive, for one thing, and too
much work for another. I plan to sort of edge it in
gradually... ;)
Eileen
--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> Eileen, we've gone totally organic, gotten rid of__________________________________________________
> all the pots and pans that
> aren't stainless steal and cast iron and gotten rid
> of all the plastics.
> This has also made a big difference in the kidlets
> and their allergies and
> in some behavior areas.
>
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Living Lighthouse
Okay Eileen, don't you ever sleep girl.....It is
12:30am!!!! Maybe we could start an insomniac chat on
AOL instant messenger......anyone else on IM???
RAchel
12:30am!!!! Maybe we could start an insomniac chat on
AOL instant messenger......anyone else on IM???
RAchel
Lynda
I had to drag mine kicking and screaming all the way. Now, he is one of
those reformed folks and I have to stop him from standing on a soapbox and
preaching to all the folks in grocery stores <g> And I'm thinking that some
of the wives of some of his friends may be coming after me <g>
I started with one pan and glass storeage bowls. Slowly replaced all the
dry foods (beans, rice, flour) with organic and so on and so forth. Each
time he would rave about the taste of something, I would say, "oh, well its
organic and cooked in stainless steel." Or when he stopped complaining
about leftovers, I let him know that it was in glass. he really noticed the
difference in the ice tea and coffee.
Lynda
those reformed folks and I have to stop him from standing on a soapbox and
preaching to all the folks in grocery stores <g> And I'm thinking that some
of the wives of some of his friends may be coming after me <g>
I started with one pan and glass storeage bowls. Slowly replaced all the
dry foods (beans, rice, flour) with organic and so on and so forth. Each
time he would rave about the taste of something, I would say, "oh, well its
organic and cooked in stainless steel." Or when he stopped complaining
about leftovers, I let him know that it was in glass. he really noticed the
difference in the ice tea and coffee.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen M." <ravensegg@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] mindful parenting
> I've talked to my husband about that, and he's pretty
> resistant... too expensive, for one thing, and too
> much work for another. I plan to sort of edge it in
> gradually... ;)
>
> Eileen
>
>
> --- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> > Eileen, we've gone totally organic, gotten rid of
> > all the pots and pans that
> > aren't stainless steal and cast iron and gotten rid
> > of all the plastics.
> > This has also made a big difference in the kidlets
> > and their allergies and
> > in some behavior areas.
> >
>
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kate mcdaniel
Valerie,
Are you implying that people working in the food service industry are
"losers" themselves? If so, do us a favor and stop the need for fast food
feeding and don't visit them. I worked as a Restaraunt Manager for 14 years
and my husband is a District Manager for a restaraunt. It not just "flippin
hamburgers" for a living.
Love, Kate
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Are you implying that people working in the food service industry are
"losers" themselves? If so, do us a favor and stop the need for fast food
feeding and don't visit them. I worked as a Restaraunt Manager for 14 years
and my husband is a District Manager for a restaraunt. It not just "flippin
hamburgers" for a living.
Love, Kate
On Wed, 09 May 2001 05:09:54 -0000, [email protected]
wrote:
> lol...try being an UNSCHOOLER in the 80's.. I had complete strangers_______________________________________________________
> get in my face and tell me I was ruining my child's life, and WHY
> would I want to raise a stupid child on purpose? The funniest one
> was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in hamburger joint
> told me that I was raising a loser... I always just smiled when these
> people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
>
> love, Valerie
>
>
> > It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
> > and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
> > have to assume that your stance is going to be met
> > with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
> > knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
> > that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
> >
> > Eileen
>
>
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Lynda,
I am so interested in how you have made all these changes and how you went
about it. My son' rash was almost completely gone, then we ate some fries at
the beach, and I let him have a cookie, albeit an organic one from the health
food store (I read the ingredients and didnt think it would be harmful) and
the rash has reappeared on his arm. Sooo. . . back to the drawing board. And
ideas of recipe's and/or cookbooks and such would be so much appreciated.
lovemary
If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and then
make a change.
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I am so interested in how you have made all these changes and how you went
about it. My son' rash was almost completely gone, then we ate some fries at
the beach, and I let him have a cookie, albeit an organic one from the health
food store (I read the ingredients and didnt think it would be harmful) and
the rash has reappeared on his arm. Sooo. . . back to the drawing board. And
ideas of recipe's and/or cookbooks and such would be so much appreciated.
lovemary
If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and then
make a change.
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Eileen M.
--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
ones I can find have at least some plastic around the
'seal' area of the lid, and I don't know how concerned
I should be about that...
I just realized today that you *are* the Lynda on
another list I am on! I *knew* that voice of reason
sounded familiar... ;)
he really noticed the
first plan of action is now in place...
Eileen
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>What sort of glass storage bowls do you use? All the
> I started with one pan and glass storeage bowls.
ones I can find have at least some plastic around the
'seal' area of the lid, and I don't know how concerned
I should be about that...
I just realized today that you *are* the Lynda on
another list I am on! I *knew* that voice of reason
sounded familiar... ;)
he really noticed the
> difference in the ice tea and coffee.Aha! An area of vulnerability for my dh as well... my
>
first plan of action is now in place...
Eileen
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Eileen M.
ROFL!!
I go through frequent non-sleeping bouts... sometimes
it's insomnia and sometimes it's just that I feel like
I have too many interesting things to do and just
*forget* to get around to silly details like eating
and sleeping. A little ADHD, anyone?
No IM available for me, unfortunately...
Eileen
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I go through frequent non-sleeping bouts... sometimes
it's insomnia and sometimes it's just that I feel like
I have too many interesting things to do and just
*forget* to get around to silly details like eating
and sleeping. A little ADHD, anyone?
No IM available for me, unfortunately...
Eileen
--- Living Lighthouse <livinglighthouse@...>
wrote:
> Okay Eileen, don't you ever sleep girl.....It is__________________________________________________
> 12:30am!!!! Maybe we could start an insomniac chat
> on
> AOL instant messenger......anyone else on IM???
> RAchel
>
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Lynda
Thank you Eileen. That was so nice and not what most folks say about my
voice <g>
I shocked hubby by buying coffee filters and soaking them and then having
the kidlets use some of those tablets from their chemistry sets to show the
various chemicals in the water--ya know, water without coffee filters and
water with coffee filters.
Then I bought some organic coffee and made up two pots and set cups from
each in the window so he could see the "oil slick" on the "poisoned" coffee
and the almost total lack of "oil slick" on the organic coffee. Then the
kidlets did their thing with the chemistry set again.
Then I bought him a new coffee pot (all stainless steal with no plastic
anywhere, the old fashioned kind) for Christmas <g> I mean, what was he
going to do, throw away my gift <<<bewg>>>
I did the same with the iced tea, only used two different kinds of
containers. His old faithful plastic one and the nice new shiney glass one.
Although it really was more steps than that, first I had to get him past the
instant iced tea thing, yuck, yuck, yuck!!!!
Now, on to glass storage. It is almost impossible to find any type of glass
container that doesn't have some type of plastic for lids. We haven't got
the manufacturers trained yet <g> On lots of things I just use waxed paper
and when I really need a lid, I make sure that no food touches plastic, that
I don't use the ones with plastic lids for anything but over night in the
fridge (they don't off-gas to any measureable degree in the cold) and
absolutely no micro waving!!!!
For long term storage I use old-fashioned canning jars, large pickle jars,
old mayo jars, glass cannisters, etc. For freezing I use glass jars (don't
over-fill or even come close, they explode) or for stuff like strawberries,
I'll lay them out on a cookie sheet and freeze them and then wrap them in
freezer paper. We dehydrate lots of goodies and those go in glass jars.
Though why I bother on some stuff is beyond me since they are gone within a
week (the kidlets will kill for dehydrated strawberries). The thing about
canning, freezing and dehydrating your own stuff is that you don't get any
sulfites that don't occur naturally in foods (I'm allergic to sulfa/sulfites
and it is everywhere and NOT labelled).
Lynda
voice <g>
I shocked hubby by buying coffee filters and soaking them and then having
the kidlets use some of those tablets from their chemistry sets to show the
various chemicals in the water--ya know, water without coffee filters and
water with coffee filters.
Then I bought some organic coffee and made up two pots and set cups from
each in the window so he could see the "oil slick" on the "poisoned" coffee
and the almost total lack of "oil slick" on the organic coffee. Then the
kidlets did their thing with the chemistry set again.
Then I bought him a new coffee pot (all stainless steal with no plastic
anywhere, the old fashioned kind) for Christmas <g> I mean, what was he
going to do, throw away my gift <<<bewg>>>
I did the same with the iced tea, only used two different kinds of
containers. His old faithful plastic one and the nice new shiney glass one.
Although it really was more steps than that, first I had to get him past the
instant iced tea thing, yuck, yuck, yuck!!!!
Now, on to glass storage. It is almost impossible to find any type of glass
container that doesn't have some type of plastic for lids. We haven't got
the manufacturers trained yet <g> On lots of things I just use waxed paper
and when I really need a lid, I make sure that no food touches plastic, that
I don't use the ones with plastic lids for anything but over night in the
fridge (they don't off-gas to any measureable degree in the cold) and
absolutely no micro waving!!!!
For long term storage I use old-fashioned canning jars, large pickle jars,
old mayo jars, glass cannisters, etc. For freezing I use glass jars (don't
over-fill or even come close, they explode) or for stuff like strawberries,
I'll lay them out on a cookie sheet and freeze them and then wrap them in
freezer paper. We dehydrate lots of goodies and those go in glass jars.
Though why I bother on some stuff is beyond me since they are gone within a
week (the kidlets will kill for dehydrated strawberries). The thing about
canning, freezing and dehydrating your own stuff is that you don't get any
sulfites that don't occur naturally in foods (I'm allergic to sulfa/sulfites
and it is everywhere and NOT labelled).
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen M." <ravensegg@...>
>
> --- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> >
> > I started with one pan and glass storeage bowls.
>
> What sort of glass storage bowls do you use? All the
> ones I can find have at least some plastic around the
> 'seal' area of the lid, and I don't know how concerned
> I should be about that...
>
> I just realized today that you *are* the Lynda on
> another list I am on! I *knew* that voice of reason
> sounded familiar... ;)
>
> he really noticed the
> > difference in the ice tea and coffee.
> >
> Aha! An area of vulnerability for my dh as well... my
> first plan of action is now in place...
>
> Eileen
>
>
>
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Valerie Stewart
I shocked hubby by buying coffee filters and soaking them and then having
the kidlets use some of those tablets from their chemistry sets to show the
various chemicals in the water--ya know, water without coffee filters and
water with coffee filters.
Then I bought some organic coffee and made up two pots and set cups from
each in the window so he could see the "oil slick" on the "poisoned" coffee
and the almost total lack of "oil slick" on the organic coffee. Then the
kidlets did their thing with the chemistry set again.
***Mmmmm, yum. I _love_ that oil slick on my steaming hot coffee in the
morning. I know Rue does, also, right Rue? Oh, that's right...she likes hers
cold.
craving some poison right now...Valerie in Tacoma
the kidlets use some of those tablets from their chemistry sets to show the
various chemicals in the water--ya know, water without coffee filters and
water with coffee filters.
Then I bought some organic coffee and made up two pots and set cups from
each in the window so he could see the "oil slick" on the "poisoned" coffee
and the almost total lack of "oil slick" on the organic coffee. Then the
kidlets did their thing with the chemistry set again.
***Mmmmm, yum. I _love_ that oil slick on my steaming hot coffee in the
morning. I know Rue does, also, right Rue? Oh, that's right...she likes hers
cold.
craving some poison right now...Valerie in Tacoma
Valerie
She DID say that in front of Laurie. Laurie was in the seat beside me
(with a seatbelt). She was already accustomed to hearing remarks like
that from adults ignorant of what we were doing and she and I
laughed. I believe she made a comment to the effect of, "Yeah, I
wanna be like HER!" At least Laurie was not so rude as to say that in
front of the woman.
love, Valerie
(with a seatbelt). She was already accustomed to hearing remarks like
that from adults ignorant of what we were doing and she and I
laughed. I believe she made a comment to the effect of, "Yeah, I
wanna be like HER!" At least Laurie was not so rude as to say that in
front of the woman.
love, Valerie
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Eileen M." <ravensegg@y...> wrote:
> I think that's funny, too... but I *hope* she didn't
> say that in front of Laurie!
>
> Eileen
>
> --- Valerie <valfitz@y...> wrote:
>
> > The funniest one
> > was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in
> > hamburger joint
> > told me that I was raising a loser... I always just
> > smiled when these
> > people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
> >
> > love, Valerie
> >
>
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Valerie
I was making little ol' ladies faint! ;-)
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> Where were you in the 60s???? We'd have had a ball making little
ol' ladies
> faint <g>
>
Valerie
Kate,
No, I'm not implying that at all. But the idea that a fifty year old
woman who is walking burgers out to my car would call my six-year old
daughter a loser was a bit humorous. I have worked in fast food
restaurants myself. I have also dug ditches, shoveled hot tar into
wheelbarrows, and worked with boilermakers. I have come home with
clothes so black that I had to throw them away. (I do not go to fast
food restaurants except on VERY rare occasions now btw.) I'm well
aware of the job not being just 'flippin hamburgers.' I can't think
of anyone working in ANY profession that I would not have found it
humorous that they were calling a six-year old a loser. They are
obviously losers as soon as those words leave their mouth...IMHO.
You see Kate... I try to see the humor in situations rather than get
upset about them. :-)
love, Valerie
No, I'm not implying that at all. But the idea that a fifty year old
woman who is walking burgers out to my car would call my six-year old
daughter a loser was a bit humorous. I have worked in fast food
restaurants myself. I have also dug ditches, shoveled hot tar into
wheelbarrows, and worked with boilermakers. I have come home with
clothes so black that I had to throw them away. (I do not go to fast
food restaurants except on VERY rare occasions now btw.) I'm well
aware of the job not being just 'flippin hamburgers.' I can't think
of anyone working in ANY profession that I would not have found it
humorous that they were calling a six-year old a loser. They are
obviously losers as soon as those words leave their mouth...IMHO.
You see Kate... I try to see the humor in situations rather than get
upset about them. :-)
love, Valerie
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., kate mcdaniel <K8MCD@E...> wrote:
> Valerie,
> Are you implying that people working in the food service industry
are
> "losers" themselves? If so, do us a favor and stop the need for
fast food
> feeding and don't visit them. I worked as a Restaraunt Manager for
14 years
> and my husband is a District Manager for a restaraunt. It not
just "flippin
> hamburgers" for a living.
> Love, Kate
> On Wed, 09 May 2001 05:09:54 -0000, Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> wrote:
>
> > lol...try being an UNSCHOOLER in the 80's.. I had complete
strangers
> > get in my face and tell me I was ruining my child's life, and
WHY
> > would I want to raise a stupid child on purpose? The funniest
one
> > was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in hamburger
joint
> > told me that I was raising a loser... I always just smiled when
these
> > people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
> >
> > love, Valerie
> >
> >
> > > It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
> > > and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
> > > have to assume that your stance is going to be met
> > > with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
> > > knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
> > > that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
> > >
> > > Eileen
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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i don't blame you for not wanting meds. My mom was recently diagnosed with irrepairable nerve damage. She will never play the piano again and has difficulty with most things requiring fine motor coordination. The source? Many years of supposedly safe anti depressants. I hesitate to take an asprin for a headache and don't take anything unless I have learned all I can to make an informed decision.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----
From: tonitoni@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 2:40 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: mindful parenting
>
> I came to the conclusion that they have become so
> accustomed to people receiving the meds with gratitude
> and relief for the 'magic' answer .
Reminds me of the time i went to the doctor becuse I was very
depressed, a condition I suffered from regularly, and I told the
doctor I was depressed but i did not want to take any kind of
medication..................
Well, wooooo, why was I there then!
Marianne
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kate mcdaniel
Valerie,
I do agree that the comment that the woman made was unnecessary and
uncalled for. If a banker or a company CEO would have made the comment
would it have been as amusing?
It sounded as if you were saying the woman was a loser because of where she
worked and not because of what she said.
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I do agree that the comment that the woman made was unnecessary and
uncalled for. If a banker or a company CEO would have made the comment
would it have been as amusing?
It sounded as if you were saying the woman was a loser because of where she
worked and not because of what she said.
On Thu, 10 May 2001 04:32:03 -0000, [email protected]
wrote:
> Kate,_______________________________________________________
>
> No, I'm not implying that at all. But the idea that a fifty year old
> woman who is walking burgers out to my car would call my six-year old
> daughter a loser was a bit humorous. I have worked in fast food
> restaurants myself. I have also dug ditches, shoveled hot tar into
> wheelbarrows, and worked with boilermakers. I have come home with
> clothes so black that I had to throw them away. (I do not go to fast
> food restaurants except on VERY rare occasions now btw.) I'm well
> aware of the job not being just 'flippin hamburgers.' I can't think
> of anyone working in ANY profession that I would not have found it
> humorous that they were calling a six-year old a loser. They are
> obviously losers as soon as those words leave their mouth...IMHO.
>
> You see Kate... I try to see the humor in situations rather than get
> upset about them. :-)
>
> love, Valerie
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., kate mcdaniel <K8MCD@E...> wrote:
> > Valerie,
> > Are you implying that people working in the food service industry
> are
> > "losers" themselves? If so, do us a favor and stop the need for
> fast food
> > feeding and don't visit them. I worked as a Restaraunt Manager for
> 14 years
> > and my husband is a District Manager for a restaraunt. It not
> just "flippin
> > hamburgers" for a living.
> > Love, Kate
> > On Wed, 09 May 2001 05:09:54 -0000, Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> > wrote:
> >
> > > lol...try being an UNSCHOOLER in the 80's.. I had complete
> strangers
> > > get in my face and tell me I was ruining my child's life, and
> WHY
> > > would I want to raise a stupid child on purpose? The funniest
> one
> > > was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in hamburger
> joint
> > > told me that I was raising a loser... I always just smiled when
> these
> > > people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
> > >
> > > love, Valerie
> > >
> > >
> > > > It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
> > > > and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
> > > > have to assume that your stance is going to be met
> > > > with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
> > > > knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
> > > > that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
> > > >
> > > > Eileen
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________
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Valerie
Kate,
Yes, it would have been as amusing. I personally would rather 'flip
burgers' than be a banker...but that's me. Laurie and I have also
laughed at a woman in a mink coat saying I was raising a stupid
child. To be honest...I'm laughing now... because I am not going to
beat another horse.
love, Valerie
Yes, it would have been as amusing. I personally would rather 'flip
burgers' than be a banker...but that's me. Laurie and I have also
laughed at a woman in a mink coat saying I was raising a stupid
child. To be honest...I'm laughing now... because I am not going to
beat another horse.
love, Valerie
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., kate mcdaniel <K8MCD@E...> wrote:
> Valerie,
> I do agree that the comment that the woman made was unnecessary
and
> uncalled for. If a banker or a company CEO would have made the
comment
> would it have been as amusing?
> It sounded as if you were saying the woman was a loser because of
where she
> worked and not because of what she said.
> On Thu, 10 May 2001 04:32:03 -0000, Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> wrote:
>
> > Kate,
> >
> > No, I'm not implying that at all. But the idea that a fifty year
old
> > woman who is walking burgers out to my car would call my six-
year old
> > daughter a loser was a bit humorous. I have worked in fast food
> > restaurants myself. I have also dug ditches, shoveled hot tar
into
> > wheelbarrows, and worked with boilermakers. I have come home
with
> > clothes so black that I had to throw them away. (I do not go to
fast
> > food restaurants except on VERY rare occasions now btw.) I'm
well
> > aware of the job not being just 'flippin hamburgers.' I can't
think
> > of anyone working in ANY profession that I would not have found
it
> > humorous that they were calling a six-year old a loser. They are
> > obviously losers as soon as those words leave their mouth...IMHO.
> >
> > You see Kate... I try to see the humor in situations rather than
get
> > upset about them. :-)
> >
> > love, Valerie
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., kate mcdaniel <K8MCD@E...> wrote:
> > > Valerie,
> > > Are you implying that people working in the food service
industry
> > are
> > > "losers" themselves? If so, do us a favor and stop the need
for
> > fast food
> > > feeding and don't visit them. I worked as a Restaraunt
Manager for
> > 14 years
> > > and my husband is a District Manager for a restaraunt. It not
> > just "flippin
> > > hamburgers" for a living.
> > > Love, Kate
> > > On Wed, 09 May 2001 05:09:54 -0000, Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > lol...try being an UNSCHOOLER in the 80's.. I had complete
> > strangers
> > > > get in my face and tell me I was ruining my child's life,
and
> > WHY
> > > > would I want to raise a stupid child on purpose? The
funniest
> > one
> > > > was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in
hamburger
> > joint
> > > > told me that I was raising a loser... I always just smiled
when
> > these
> > > > people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
> > > >
> > > > love, Valerie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
> > > > > and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
> > > > > have to assume that your stance is going to be met
> > > > > with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
> > > > > knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
> > > > > that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
> > > > >
> > > > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________
> > > Send a cool gift with your E-Card
> > > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
> Send a cool gift with your E-Card
> http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
Johanna
Oh, I love it Linda! I had tears of laughter in my eyes! By the way What is a LOL??
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynda
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: mindful parenting
Where were you in the 60s???? We'd have had a ball making little ol' ladies
faint <g>
The first batch of kidlets (we raised our nieces and nephews for awhile, 10,
8, 7, 6 and 2) and I use to spend a couple of mornings each week in the
laundry mat playing games, flying paper airplanes, reading books, playing
patty cake and generally carrying on. Ya know, unschooling, just having
fun. I was Mamma-Lyn (19) and you should have been there the day the LOL
brigade was there! One of the LOLs asked why my brothers and sisters
weren't in school. I said we don't "do" school, and being young and having
a "hippy" moment, I said "all the world's our school." Tony (10) pipes up
with "She's not our sister, she's Mamma-Lyn." I'm thinking, maybe I better
explain that one but they turned their backs on us with that weaned on
vinegar and using a lemon wedge as a pacifer look.
Well, about then Nicki Jon (6) started asking when we were going home and if
we could have baby chickens (cornish game hens) for dinner. I told him we
would stop on the way home and have Papa (what they called my fil, their
grandfather) give us some (he owned a butcher shop) so we would have dinner
ready when Uncle got home. A little while later, Penny (2) asked
"Mamma-Lyn, Mamma-Lyn, stories in bed?" I said, "Yes, Sweetie, when Uncle
and I go to bed you can cuddle and I'll read you a story."
Only when I heard a LOUD gasp and turned to see the brigade go stomping out
the door muttering about "can you image a child that age with children . .
." did I realise what our conversation must have sounded like to a bunch of
old biddies <g>
Evil and wicked enough that we didn't "do" school <<<bewg>>> My poor fil
would have died if he had known what they must have been thinking!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valerie" <valfitz@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: mindful parenting
> lol...try being an UNSCHOOLER in the 80's.. I had complete strangers
> get in my face and tell me I was ruining my child's life, and WHY
> would I want to raise a stupid child on purpose? The funniest one
> was when a middle-aged woman working at a drive-in hamburger joint
> told me that I was raising a loser... I always just smiled when these
> people attacked me. Now, I'm REALLY smiling...
>
> love, Valerie
>
>
> > It's something like being a homeschooler in the 70's
> > and 80's... so against the mainstream that you just
> > have to assume that your stance is going to be met
> > with incredulity and condescension because 'everybody
> > knows' better than you do. That's okay, they can feel
> > that way... you are the crest of the next wave!
> >
> > Eileen
>
>
>
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--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
a french press, but he says the coffee isn't as good
that way, he doesn't like it. *sigh* I don't know if
I'm going to get him weaned...
I didn't know about freezer paper... is that at the
grocery store, or do I need to order it from
somewhere? I'll experiment with freezing jars, but
our freezer doesn't have room for much. We don't have
a microwave, so that's not a problem!
Thanks...
Eileen
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> I shocked hubby by buying coffee filters and soakingYup, my dh is addicted to the drip coffee. I got him
> them and then having
> the kidlets use some of those tablets from their
> chemistry sets to show the
> various chemicals in the water--ya know, water
> without coffee filters and
> water with coffee filters.
>
a french press, but he says the coffee isn't as good
that way, he doesn't like it. *sigh* I don't know if
I'm going to get him weaned...
I didn't know about freezer paper... is that at the
grocery store, or do I need to order it from
somewhere? I'll experiment with freezing jars, but
our freezer doesn't have room for much. We don't have
a microwave, so that's not a problem!
Thanks...
Eileen
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