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In a message dated 5/6/01 2:47:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
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<< Proverbs 29:15 The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but achild left to
himself disgraces his mother.
Thanks Johanna for the scriptures, I thought I would add a couple more. If
any are interested... a book called, "What the Bible says about Child
Training" is very good about detailing the parents responsibility and
explains the "rod", "chastisement", "discipline". The author of the book is
J. Richard Fugate.
I recieved spankings as a child. I do not remember the spankings , but I do
remember the negative comments made by authority figures. The verbal scars
wound far deeper than any spanking can.
Kate >>


And all other rod writings. The shepard's rod is used to guide his sheep
not inflict pain. If a shepard hit his sheep w/ a rod they would run off. I
live in the world's second largest area for sheep herding for their wool
(Australia is now #1) I haev watched the herders for 7 years now every spring
thru fall. They do not hit the sheep they wave a rod or rope and use the dogs
the guide the sheep for hundreds of miles each year.

This biblical take some have on the rod is fallacy. I believe it was meant
as a metaphor for guiding our children kindly and firmly if need be. Not as a
permission slip to hit or spank our children. Is this respectful? Our
children need our love, guidence, redirection, and nurturing along the way.
Not corporal punishment.

For those who do believe in spanking,how do you feel when you spank your
child? Is it a matter of fact thing? Like,ok you my dear son have disobeyed
me and it is time for a spanking. Or are you spanking and feeling angry for
the disobedience? Do you feel sad or upset w/ having to spank your child?
Disappointed? Or truely feel justified?

Redirection when they are young and explaining dangers when a bit older
work wonderfully. Granted there are times they aren't going to listen and
scar you to death like running for the street. But is spanking them really
going to fix this? I do not believe so. It teaches children to learn how not
to get caught doing wrong things. Creates sneakiness and parent wise kids.

My mother didn't believe in spanking but when I provoked her to anger she
certainly left mantal scars by words and physical punishment. She left raised
red handmarks flicked my face for smart mouthing,kicked the shit out of me
for running away and sneaking out w/ boys. She took away priviledges and TV
or grounded me. What did it accomplish? I learned how to sneak around even
better,I also became a people pleaser. Even to this day I fight this
tendancy. I find myself cleaning the house like a mad woman when dh and I
fight b/c I know he likes a clean house. Normally I would say oh well
tomorrow I may clean if I have time and he would be fine w/ it also. But my
fear of not pleasing the one I love makes me kick into child mode. I also
have a difficult time expressing myself esp. w/ someone whose presence is
dominant. Actually I am having difficulty right now writing this,afraid to
speak my mind. But spanking a child is NOT ok w/ me. I struggle w/ my anger
every day and I feel my mother coming out of me on occaision. I am learning
to shut my mouth and take a time out. Spanking out of anger or out of duty is
never ok in my NSHO.Screaming at a child isn't either or saying nasty
things,these are all akin to me. So yes I am scarred from my childhood. But I
am working on it and trying not to blame my mother too much. She was abused
as a child verbally and physically and it got passed down. I intend to stop
it at this generation so my grandchildren won't be on the recieving end some
day.Treat others as you wish to be treated.

NICKI~

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I live in the world's second largest area for sheep herding for
their wool
> (Australia is now #1)

Nikki
So where do you live?

Marianne - who is asking for a geography lesson.