ambersand

I checked my e-mail at 8 last night and woke up at 4 with 50 new e-mails. Am I the only one that slept around here??

Hello to all the new folks on the list. I've been going rather fast through a kabillion (that's a new number we came up with along with forty hundred thousand) e-mails. I've read every one but they have blurred. So, hello and welcome aboard...

Valerie - Book cover: "NOT Another Brick in the Wall" That was Floyd, wasn't it? The picture is a red brick wall with a double photo of a mass of faces, one brick is vertical with a picture of your daughter. It would appeal to everyone's desire for individuality. Something that so many are lacking, especially children in school.

Alberta, Canada - Hi Dee Ho.

Jeanmarie - We met a phsyc a few weeks ago that said homeschoolers are deprived a wider variety and quantity of life experiences that schooled children have, to help them in real life. Of course, my husband and I really wanted to ask how "kiddie prison" can provide "life experiences" to anyone but the lab rats!!!!!! We were nice and, like with most, left her to her fenced-in world.

I've only been here a few weeks and LOVE IT!! I know unschooling is the way for us but it helps to have others to talk to or just listen to sometimes. I've read a lot of books about home/unschooling and get Growing Without Schooling magazine, but this better than any book (not that I won't love to read your book Valerie).

Ambersand - aka Kandi, gifted by Kyle and Corey, the splashes of color in my black and white world.

Valerie

> Valerie - Book cover: "NOT Another Brick in the Wall" That was
Floyd, wasn't it? The picture is a red brick wall with a double
photo of a mass of faces, one brick is vertical with a picture of
your daughter. It would appeal to everyone's desire for
individuality. Something that so many are lacking, especially
children in school.
>

Ooooo... I like that... NOT another brick in the wall.

geez, maybe P.F. should be paying ME when the book comes out.

Valerie

Jeanmarie Shingleton

>From: "ambersand" <ambersand@...>
>
>Jeanmarie - We met a phsyc a few weeks ago that said >homeschoolers are
>deprived a wider variety and quantity >of life experiences that schooled
>children have, to help >them in real life. Of course, my husband and I
>really >wanted to ask how "kiddie prison" can provide "life >experiences"
>to anyone but the lab rats!!!!!! We were >nice and, like with most, left
>her to her fenced-in >world.

Kandi,

Interesting that you mention this. When my son was in 6th grade they (the
teachers and school "counselor")ambushed us at a parent-teacher meeting and
after showing us some of Sean's artwork tried to tell us all these things
that were wrong with him... and how he was heading for trouble. He was
"aggressive" and had poor self-esteem, etc, etc.... well, what they were
getting at was that he would turn into one of those children we hear about
that hurts animals/pets or even, heaven forbid, a boy like the boys who did
the Columbine thing. No matter how much I told them that I, as his mother
and one who had done attachement parenting for his first 4 years, knew him a
whole lot better than that they wouldn't believe me. All that Psych stuff
and they thought they knew my son better.

Well, if they could only see him now... of course, he's afraid to draw
anything, or at least show us any of his work for fear of criticism, but
he's doing so much better self-esteem wise... and he cries, and always has,
if he sees an animal in pain or being hurt. It was the teachers and the
school that turned him the way they did. I'm now trying to take all that
out of him. It may take us a few years, but I'm willing to give it that
time... now if only others would stop asking him when he's going back to
"school" we might have more success here.

I'm sorry about the long post. Sometimes I just tend to get carried away...
especially when I start thinking about the way my "baby" was treated.

Jeanmarie
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Valerie

Best of luck Jeanmarie... and you've got the right idea. Time is what
it'll take. Deprogramming takes patience.

Valerie


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Jeanmarie Shingleton"
<Jmarie_s02qlt@h...> wrote:
> >From: "ambersand" <ambersand@m...>
> >
> >Jeanmarie - We met a phsyc a few weeks ago that said
>homeschoolers are
> >deprived a wider variety and quantity >of life experiences that
schooled
> >children have, to help >them in real life. Of course, my husband
and I
> >really >wanted to ask how "kiddie prison" can provide "life
>experiences"
> >to anyone but the lab rats!!!!!! We were >nice and, like with
most, left
> >her to her fenced-in >world.
>
> Kandi,
>
> Interesting that you mention this. When my son was in 6th grade
they (the
> teachers and school "counselor")ambushed us at a parent-teacher
meeting and
> after showing us some of Sean's artwork tried to tell us all these
things
> that were wrong with him... and how he was heading for trouble. He
was
> "aggressive" and had poor self-esteem, etc, etc.... well, what they
were
> getting at was that he would turn into one of those children we
hear about
> that hurts animals/pets or even, heaven forbid, a boy like the boys
who did
> the Columbine thing. No matter how much I told them that I, as his
mother
> and one who had done attachement parenting for his first 4 years,
knew him a
> whole lot better than that they wouldn't believe me. All that
Psych stuff
> and they thought they knew my son better.
>
> Well, if they could only see him now... of course, he's afraid to
draw
> anything, or at least show us any of his work for fear of
criticism, but
> he's doing so much better self-esteem wise... and he cries, and
always has,
> if he sees an animal in pain or being hurt. It was the teachers
and the
> school that turned him the way they did. I'm now trying to take
all that
> out of him. It may take us a few years, but I'm willing to give it
that
> time... now if only others would stop asking him when he's going
back to
> "school" we might have more success here.
>
> I'm sorry about the long post. Sometimes I just tend to get
carried away...
> especially when I start thinking about the way my "baby" was
treated.
>
> Jeanmarie
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Vaughnde Edwards

Yeap...I'm learning that too...not just for Naomi but for myself as well. Which is one reason why I've taken myself off of the ywca program because their goals were clashing with what Naomi and I wanted to do...hence the move. The apt we rent belongs to the ywca transitional (temporary) housing program.

Vaughnde Lee
Missoula, Montana
http://www.stampinbookworm.eboard.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie <valfitz@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:38 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Hi everyone!


Best of luck Jeanmarie... and you've got the right idea. Time is what
it'll take. Deprogramming takes patience.

Valerie


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Jeanmarie Shingleton"
<Jmarie_s02qlt@h...> wrote:
> >From: "ambersand" <ambersand@m...>
> >
> >Jeanmarie - We met a phsyc a few weeks ago that said
>homeschoolers are
> >deprived a wider variety and quantity >of life experiences that
schooled
> >children have, to help >them in real life. Of course, my husband
and I
> >really >wanted to ask how "kiddie prison" can provide "life
>experiences"
> >to anyone but the lab rats!!!!!! We were >nice and, like with
most, left
> >her to her fenced-in >world.
>
> Kandi,
>
> Interesting that you mention this. When my son was in 6th grade
they (the
> teachers and school "counselor")ambushed us at a parent-teacher
meeting and
> after showing us some of Sean's artwork tried to tell us all these
things
> that were wrong with him... and how he was heading for trouble. He
was
> "aggressive" and had poor self-esteem, etc, etc.... well, what they
were
> getting at was that he would turn into one of those children we
hear about
> that hurts animals/pets or even, heaven forbid, a boy like the boys
who did
> the Columbine thing. No matter how much I told them that I, as his
mother
> and one who had done attachement parenting for his first 4 years,
knew him a
> whole lot better than that they wouldn't believe me. All that
Psych stuff
> and they thought they knew my son better.
>
> Well, if they could only see him now... of course, he's afraid to
draw
> anything, or at least show us any of his work for fear of
criticism, but
> he's doing so much better self-esteem wise... and he cries, and
always has,
> if he sees an animal in pain or being hurt. It was the teachers
and the
> school that turned him the way they did. I'm now trying to take
all that
> out of him. It may take us a few years, but I'm willing to give it
that
> time... now if only others would stop asking him when he's going
back to
> "school" we might have more success here.
>
> I'm sorry about the long post. Sometimes I just tend to get
carried away...
> especially when I start thinking about the way my "baby" was
treated.
>
> Jeanmarie
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com


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kate mcdaniel

Hi! I am new to unschooling groups. I can relate to JeanMarie's story of
the unnecessary low self-esteem they(public school) place on children. I
had a son that we had homeschooled and decided to place him in public school
for his 2nd grade - BIG MISTAKE! He was in ps for 6 weeks and the school
decided he was doing well in all subjects except reading . They were
unwilling to provide him with the necessary help and were wanting to place
him in first grade. Needless to say- we yanked him. My now 3rd grader, who
probably reads at a late3rd, early 4th grade level, feels that he doesn't do
well at ps.
The reason I joined unschooling was to see if there are some Minnesota
members that might be able to give me some insight and instruction about
legalities and records and such. We are currently residing in Missouri but
will be moving in approximately 2 months to the Minneapolis area. If there
is someone out there with advice - please send it my way. Thanks. Kate
>





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Best of luck on the legal issues.. Welcome to the group!

love, Valerie


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., kate mcdaniel <K8MCD@E...> wrote:
> Hi! I am new to unschooling groups. I can relate to JeanMarie's
story of
> the unnecessary low self-esteem they(public school) place on
children. I
> had a son that we had homeschooled and decided to place him in
public school
> for his 2nd grade - BIG MISTAKE! He was in ps for 6 weeks and the
school
> decided he was doing well in all subjects except reading . They
were
> unwilling to provide him with the necessary help and were wanting
to place
> him in first grade. Needless to say- we yanked him. My now 3rd
grader, who
> probably reads at a late3rd, early 4th grade level, feels that he
doesn't do
> well at ps.
> The reason I joined unschooling was to see if there are some
Minnesota
> members that might be able to give me some insight and instruction
about
> legalities and records and such. We are currently residing in
Missouri but
> will be moving in approximately 2 months to the Minneapolis area.
If there
> is someone out there with advice - please send it my way.
Thanks. Kate
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________
> Send a cool gift with your E-Card
> http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/