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I keep finding spiders in our house - some I know are poisonous (some
are not, and most, I don't know) and I would like to get rid of
them. But I don't want to kill them - I mean, it's not their fault
they're spiders. Dh likes to get them with the vacuum hose. The
kids and I use a cup, slip a piece of paper underneath, and take them
outside. I still worry about being bitten, either while I'm catching
them, or the kids while they're sleeping. Any suggestions? (I guess
I could saturate the house with anti-bug juice, but I was looking for
something a bit more, uh, friendly...)

Thank you

Melanie in Indiana

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We called our local Natural History Museum and spoke with the
entomologist about the kinds of spiders in our area. We had found a
particularly ferocious looking one in our laundry room, no kidding, this
thing reared up and threatened us with jaws that were 1/3 the size of
it's entire body!

Turned out that it could give a painful bite but was usually reclusive
and NONpoisonous. It was, however, extremely beneficial in that it preys
on scorpions and black widow spiders. Needless to say we let him stay.

We learned that the two poisonous species (Black Widow & Brown Recluse)
are shy and bites are rare.

Do you have a Natural History Museum near you? Perhaps there is a
college or university with an entomologist on staff. Our experience has
been that they love to talk about the subject.

Kris
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Look on the internet for brown recluse. I don't know if you're in that range.

We have those, and black widows. I've been bitten by both. It's no fun.

I don't think (but could be wrong) black widows live in Indiana. That's why
I'm thinking if you check a region map you might feel lots better.

I believe the only two poison spiders in north America are those two. I've
found both inside my house, but I live in the desert.

Sandra

A

We have lots of black widows in NC. We have taught the kids what they look like
so they know it immediately when they see one. They can kill it if they can do it
safely, or they are to call Mom or Dad. We have only had one in the house, but
there are many, many outside. They love to make homes in the kids toys in the
sand box, so all during the summer the kids do checks....
What was the black widow bite do Sandra?
Ann

SandraDodd@... wrote:

> Look on the internet for brown recluse. I don't know if you're in that range.
>
> We have those, and black widows. I've been bitten by both. It's no fun.
>
> I don't think (but could be wrong) black widows live in Indiana. That's why
> I'm thinking if you check a region map you might feel lots better.
>
> I believe the only two poison spiders in north America are those two. I've
> found both inside my house, but I live in the desert.
>
> Sandra
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We have the brown recluse here in FL, too. I don't know about the widow, but I also think its a regional thing. We just moved into a new place and have been visited by a variety of spiders, a few scorpions, centipedes, and millipedes, and some yukky thing I just killed in the garage. Our guys love it, but I'm worried about "what" is sleeping with the children at night.
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Look on the internet for brown recluse. I don't know if you're in that range.

We have those, and black widows. I've been bitten by both. It's no fun.

I don't think (but could be wrong) black widows live in Indiana. That's why I'm thinking if you check a region map you might feel lots better.

I believe the only two poison spiders in north America are those two. I've found both inside my house, but I live in the desert.

Sandra


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If someone has a clever idea, let me know. A friend
of my aunt's stored her car for an extended period,
and when she got it back, it had many adult and
*hundreds* (with more hatching every day) of baby
black widow spiders int it. She doesn't want to drive
the car with them in residence, of course, but needs
to know what to do. The only thing *we* can think of
is that she should have it towed to the middle of the
desert and leave it there...


--- vouget@... wrote:
> I keep finding spiders in our house - some I know
> are poisonous (some
> are not, and most, I don't know) and I would like to
> get rid of
> them. But I don't want to kill them - I mean, it's
> not their fault
> they're spiders. Dh likes to get them with the
> vacuum hose. The
> kids and I use a cup, slip a piece of paper
> underneath, and take them
> outside. I still worry about being bitten, either
> while I'm catching
> them, or the kids while they're sleeping. Any
> suggestions? (I guess
> I could saturate the house with anti-bug juice, but
> I was looking for
> something a bit more, uh, friendly...)
>
> Thank you
>
> Melanie in Indiana
>
>


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One of the most poisonous spiders is the Daddy Long Legs but its mouth is
sooooo small it can't bite humans. A bit of trivia compliments of the
kidlets trip to our local Natural History Museum.

Lynda
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] poisonous spiders in our house


> We called our local Natural History Museum and spoke with the
> entomologist about the kinds of spiders in our area. We had found a
> particularly ferocious looking one in our laundry room, no kidding, this
> thing reared up and threatened us with jaws that were 1/3 the size of
> it's entire body!
>
> Turned out that it could give a painful bite but was usually reclusive
> and NONpoisonous. It was, however, extremely beneficial in that it preys
> on scorpions and black widow spiders. Needless to say we let him stay.
>
> We learned that the two poisonous species (Black Widow & Brown Recluse)
> are shy and bites are rare.
>
> Do you have a Natural History Museum near you? Perhaps there is a
> college or university with an entomologist on staff. Our experience has
> been that they love to talk about the subject.
>
> Kris
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lives where it's too cold for most bugs.


--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
> Look on the internet for brown recluse. I don't
> know if you're in that range.
>
> We have those, and black widows. I've been bitten
> by both. It's no fun.
>
> I don't think (but could be wrong) black widows live
> in Indiana. That's why
> I'm thinking if you check a region map you might
> feel lots better.
>
> I believe the only two poison spiders in north
> America are those two. I've
> found both inside my house, but I live in the
> desert.
>
> Sandra
>
>


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ARACHNIPHOBES! :)

-- "Eileen M." <ravensegg@...> wrote:
> If someone has a clever idea, let me know. A friend
> of my aunt's stored her car for an extended period,
> and when she got it back, it had many adult and
> *hundreds* (with more hatching every day) of baby
> black widow spiders int it. She doesn't want to
> drive
> the car with them in residence, of course, but needs
> to know what to do. The only thing *we* can think
> of
> is that she should have it towed to the middle of
> the
> desert and leave it there...
>
>
> --- vouget@... wrote:
> > I keep finding spiders in our house - some I know
> > are poisonous (some
> > are not, and most, I don't know) and I would like
> to
> > get rid of
> > them. But I don't want to kill them - I mean,
> it's
> > not their fault
> > they're spiders. Dh likes to get them with the
> > vacuum hose. The
> > kids and I use a cup, slip a piece of paper
> > underneath, and take them
> > outside. I still worry about being bitten, either
> > while I'm catching
> > them, or the kids while they're sleeping. Any
> > suggestions? (I guess
> > I could saturate the house with anti-bug juice,
> but
> > I was looking for
> > something a bit more, uh, friendly...)
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Melanie in Indiana
> >
> >
>
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For those worried about spiders whose poison (lots of spiders are
technically
poisonous but aren't considered "significantly" venemous) effects humans
http://www.sparks.org/pma/spiders.htm

This site has actual pictures of the widow and recluse
http://www.eng.iastate.edu/explorer/spiders/Explorer%20Page_files/Poisonous_
Spiders.htm

And one of the hobo http://hobospider.org/

And one of the yellow sac http://hobospider.org/yellosac.html

Lynda
----- Original Message -----

> Look on the internet for brown recluse. I don't know if you're in that
range.
>
> We have those, and black widows. I've been bitten by both. It's no fun.
>
> I don't think (but could be wrong) black widows live in Indiana. That's
why
> I'm thinking if you check a region map you might feel lots better.
>
> I believe the only two poison spiders in north America are those two.
I've
> found both inside my house, but I live in the desert.
>
> Sandra
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@...

Look on the internet for brown recluse. I don't know if you're in that
range.

We have those, and black widows. I've been bitten by both. It's no fun.

Sandra

***I was bitten by a huge shiny black spider years ago. We were living in a
woodsy area here in WA state where's there's both recluses and widows. I
don't know for sure what got me because I sort of accidentally repeatedly
pummeled it into spider bits in a moment of terror. But this was after it
bit me in the thigh (it was on my bathrobe).

Hours later at work I started hallucinating, kind of like having a high
fever, and when I looked there were violent red-purple streaks
criss-crossing my thigh originating from the spider bite. So what did I do?
I went and passed out in my car. Didn't even tell anyone I was leaving. That
evil bug could have gotten me fired. I was alright several hours later (and
kept my job).

I have heard of recluses causing people to need abscesses surgically
removed. Kind of like that strep that poisons skin..."flesh eating whatever
they call it"...except it's slower. Can be as bad, though. I like spiders
outside eating bugs. When they're in my house I'm not very friendly.

Valerie in Tacoma

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I guess I should have said, some of the spiders I have been told are
poisonous. I believe we have brown recluse here - that's what my
neighbor said the one hiding behind my trashcan was - I see them
everywhere. What I'm really looking for is a way to make my house
unfriendly to bugs and spiders without hurting them. Like an herb
they don't like or something. I'm hoping RAID is not my only option.

Melanie in Indiana

Kim

Hi Melanie,
As far as I know, there are only 2 spiders that are poisonous in the US, the black widow which is all black and has a red hour glass on their abdomen. And the brown recluse which is a tannish brown and has a violin-shaped thing behind the head. You really don't have to worry about the other spiders, their palps are too short to penetrate human skin. They even trap the other pesky bugs that manage to get in the house! I usually leave a few webs up. But when they get too numerous, I just suck them up with the vacuum. My DD will trap them with her hands and put them outside if she knows I'm vacuuming them up!

Here is a good site that talks about spiders:
http://muextension.missouri.edu/xplor/agguides/pests/g07386.htm

This site has some good pics of spiders:
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7442.html

Another good site with good pics:
http://entowww.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/l-1787.html

Kim


From: vouget@...
Subject: poisonous spiders in our house

I keep finding spiders in our house - some I know are poisonous (some
are not, and most, I don't know) and I would like to get rid of
them. But I don't want to kill them - I mean, it's not their fault
they're spiders. Dh likes to get them with the vacuum hose. The
kids and I use a cup, slip a piece of paper underneath, and take them
outside. I still worry about being bitten, either while I'm catching
them, or the kids while they're sleeping. Any suggestions? (I guess
I could saturate the house with anti-bug juice, but I was looking for
something a bit more, uh, friendly...)

Thank you

Melanie in Indiana



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DiamondAir

> From: " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@...>
> I have heard of recluses causing people to need abscesses surgically
> removed. Kind of like that strep that poisons skin..."flesh eating
whatever
> they call it"...except it's slower.

Yes, this is true. My best friend had a high school music teacher who lost
his arm to a recluse bite. I was bitten by a recluse and I have a scar about
the size of a half dollar where the skin just sort of died.

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We just finished looking up some of the spider sites recommended and I
was really surprised to read on the UC Davis site that California doesn't
have the brown recluse. They have a desert recluse but it isn't as poisonous
and it's limited to certain areas. They said that many things are mistakenly
identified as brown recluse bites. We live in California and are glad to
hear this.

Lucy

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<<They even trap the other pesky bugs that manage to get in the house! I
usually leave a few webs up. But when they get too numerous, I just suck
them up with the vacuum. My DD will trap them with her hands and put
them outside if she knows I'm vacuuming them up!>>

That is what I do as well. When we lived in a rural area with horses for
neighbors we were greatful for the spiders and their webs. We had two
particularly efficient ones who monitored opposite ends of the house.
When one of them died an offspring moved into her web and did just as
good a job. They caught HUNDREDS of flys and gnats and this was IN the
house.

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<<We just finished looking up some of the spider sites recommended and I
was really surprised to read on the UC Davis site that California doesn't

have the brown recluse. They have a desert recluse but it isn't as
poisonous
and it's limited to certain areas. They said that many things are
mistakenly
identified as brown recluse bites. We live in California and are glad to

hear this.>>

When we talked with the entomologist he never told us that. Perhaps he
thought the subtle difference would be lost on us.

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In a message dated 4/26/01 6:45:59 AM, hooperck@... writes:

<< What was the black widow bite do Sandra? >>

Looked like a big ant bite, made me woozy-sick, like a stupid-making flu for
a few days. It was on my waist, on the side. Not awful. I don't know if it
would be worse on a small child or whether they'd quickly recover from being
healthy kids (I'm old).

I've had two brown recluse bites, though. The first, I let it go because I
kept thinking it would start healing any day, and we were poor... Five or
six months. A big open sore. The next time I saw one I recognized the sore
opening up and went straight to the doctor and said, "Antibiotics,
please--inside, outside--lots."

Sandra

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In a message dated 4/26/01 9:13:08 AM, ravensegg@... writes:

<< The only thing *we* can think of
is that she should have it towed to the middle of the
desert and leave it there...
>>

That won't save it.
I would bug-bomb it, personally.

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In a message dated 4/26/01 9:13:08 AM, ravensegg@... writes:

<< The only thing *we* can think of
is that she should have it towed to the middle of the
desert and leave it there...
>>

OH! Leave it there and forget about it. Yeah, maybe. <g>

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In a message dated 4/26/01 1:32:35 PM, vouget@... writes:

<< I believe we have brown recluse here - that's what my
neighbor said the one hiding behind my trashcan was - I see them
everywhere. >>

My guess is if you're seeing them everywhere, that's not them.
They don't like to be around busy people. When we moved in our house had
been empty for a while, and I saw a few. Haven't seen one for two years (but
we've also had it sprayed sometimes, around the outside, not inside, because
of spider-fear).

If you look at the website that was here you'll see what they look like and
you won't worry about whatever you keep seeing (which I could be wrong about,
but if I'm wrong you'll know! <g>)

Sandra

Eileen M.

The exterminators couldn't promise that it would work,
and she's concerned about the effects of the chemicals
on *her* health. I don't know that there is any good
answer that would let her keep the car...


--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/26/01 9:13:08 AM,
> ravensegg@... writes:
>
> << The only thing *we* can think of
> is that she should have it towed to the middle of
> the
> desert and leave it there...
> >>
>
> That won't save it.
> I would bug-bomb it, personally.
>


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The botanicals, pyrethrin and rotenone, kill spiders.

And, if that didn't work, generally speaking, if there isn't a food source,
they will pack it up and leave. So if you used an organic pest control type
thing that would kill off their food source, they will probably leave and
look for a better place to live.

You might try dusting the whole inside of the vehicle with diatomaceous
earth (it kills lots of "food" that spiders like) which will get in little
bitty cracks, roll up the windows (the heat and the DE will not be condusive
to making the spiders happy campers <g>) but leave a small "escape hatch."

Lynda
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From: "Eileen M." <ravensegg@...>


> The exterminators couldn't promise that it would work,
> and she's concerned about the effects of the chemicals
> on *her* health. I don't know that there is any good
> answer that would let her keep the car...

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<<The exterminators couldn't promise that it would work,
and she's concerned about the effects of the chemicals
on *her* health. I don't know that there is any good
answer that would let her keep the car...>>

There are some "poisons" which are not much more than an irritant (if
that) to humans. I use a spray for fleas which uses a marigold extract
as it's "killing" ingredient. I'm sure there is something that would be
toxic to the spiders but harmless to your aunt.

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Does not sound pleasant at all...ugh.
I called the emergency room here, and asked what we should expect and do if one
of us was bitten by a black widow. The kids were toddlers then. They said, and
adult would just get really sick feeling, but a child especially one so young
should be brought immediately to the hospital. I didn't ask more.... I don't
think I want to know.
That is when we educated the kids to what a black widow looks like. ANY black
spider is stomped! Just to be on the safe side since we have so many around
here, and the kids are outside playing all the time.
Ann

SandraDodd@... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/26/01 6:45:59 AM, hooperck@... writes:
>
> << What was the black widow bite do Sandra? >>
>
> Looked like a big ant bite, made me woozy-sick, like a stupid-making flu for
> a few days. It was on my waist, on the side. Not awful. I don't know if it
> would be worse on a small child or whether they'd quickly recover from being
> healthy kids (I'm old).
>
> I've had two brown recluse bites, though. The first, I let it go because I
> kept thinking it would start healing any day, and we were poor... Five or
> six months. A big open sore. The next time I saw one I recognized the sore
> opening up and went straight to the doctor and said, "Antibiotics,
> please--inside, outside--lots."
>
> Sandra
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Thanks! I forwarded this info to my mom.

Eileen


--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> The botanicals, pyrethrin and rotenone, kill
> spiders.
>
> And, if that didn't work, generally speaking, if
> there isn't a food source,
> they will pack it up and leave. So if you used an
> organic pest control type
> thing that would kill off their food source, they
> will probably leave and
> look for a better place to live.
>
> You might try dusting the whole inside of the
> vehicle with diatomaceous
> earth (it kills lots of "food" that spiders like)
> which will get in little
> bitty cracks, roll up the windows (the heat and the
> DE will not be condusive
> to making the spiders happy campers <g>) but leave a
> small "escape hatch."
>

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<<The exterminators couldn't promise that it would work,
and she's concerned about the effects of the chemicals
on *her* health. I don't know that there is any good
answer that would let her keep the car...>>

There are some "poisons" which are not much more than an irritant (if
that) to humans. I use a spray for fleas which uses a marigold extract
as it's "killing" ingredient. I'm sure there is something that would be
toxic to the spiders but harmless to your aunt.

Kris
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