Re: Amnio WAS doom and gloom--cessation,and plea etc
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**As to "Someday amnio will be seen as a horror foisted upon many women
against their wills" I doubt that it will as it has saved far too many
lives that would not have been saved without the knowledge gained with its
use. **
Saved far too many lives? How so?
Everytime I've heard amnio mentioned it was accompanied by the possibility of
abortion for defects. Hardly life saving.
Deborah
against their wills" I doubt that it will as it has saved far too many
lives that would not have been saved without the knowledge gained with its
use. **
Saved far too many lives? How so?
Everytime I've heard amnio mentioned it was accompanied by the possibility of
abortion for defects. Hardly life saving.
Deborah
Kim Baker
My son Noah, now 21 mos. old, greatly benefited from
an amnio. 4 months into my pregnancy they discovered
that his kidneys were not forming properly thru an
ultra sound. We were able to have an amnio and tests
revealed just exactly the nature of the problem we
were dealing with. Procedures and precautions were
taken in preparing for his arrival. Rena specialist
were ready for him the moment he was born. I had
another amnio later on in th pregnancy to ensure that
his lungs were developed enough to be delivered. I am
happy to report that he is a very normal happy 21
month old. You would never know he is functioning
with only one abnormal kidney. If the procedures
would not have been done through the amnio testing, he
could have and probably would have went into total
renal failure shortly after birth and we would not
have been prepared!!!
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an amnio. 4 months into my pregnancy they discovered
that his kidneys were not forming properly thru an
ultra sound. We were able to have an amnio and tests
revealed just exactly the nature of the problem we
were dealing with. Procedures and precautions were
taken in preparing for his arrival. Rena specialist
were ready for him the moment he was born. I had
another amnio later on in th pregnancy to ensure that
his lungs were developed enough to be delivered. I am
happy to report that he is a very normal happy 21
month old. You would never know he is functioning
with only one abnormal kidney. If the procedures
would not have been done through the amnio testing, he
could have and probably would have went into total
renal failure shortly after birth and we would not
have been prepared!!!
--- DACunefare@... wrote:
> **As to "Someday amnio will be seen as a horror=====
> foisted upon many women
> against their wills" I doubt that it will as it has
> saved far too many
> lives that would not have been saved without the
> knowledge gained with its
> use. **
>
> Saved far too many lives? How so?
>
> Everytime I've heard amnio mentioned it was
> accompanied by the possibility of
> abortion for defects. Hardly life saving.
>
> Deborah
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My son Noah, now 21 mos. old, greatly benefited from
an amnio. 4 months into my pregnancy they discovered
that his kidneys were not forming properly thru an
ultra sound. We were able to have an amnio and tests
revealed just exactly the nature of the problem we
were dealing with. Procedures and precautions were
taken in preparing for his arrival. Rena specialist
were ready for him the moment he was born. I had
another amnio later on in th pregnancy to ensure that
his lungs were developed enough to be delivered. I am
happy to report that he is a very normal happy 21
month old. You would never know he is functioning
with only one abnormal kidney. If the procedures
would not have been done through the amnio testing, he
could have and probably would have went into total
renal failure shortly after birth and we would not
have been prepared!!!
The thing is, that's a great use for amnio. But the
'routine' testing done for DS isn't, IMO. And the
scaremongering which goes with it... ugh! On a par
with the stuff about vaccinations...
Tracy
an amnio. 4 months into my pregnancy they discovered
that his kidneys were not forming properly thru an
ultra sound. We were able to have an amnio and tests
revealed just exactly the nature of the problem we
were dealing with. Procedures and precautions were
taken in preparing for his arrival. Rena specialist
were ready for him the moment he was born. I had
another amnio later on in th pregnancy to ensure that
his lungs were developed enough to be delivered. I am
happy to report that he is a very normal happy 21
month old. You would never know he is functioning
with only one abnormal kidney. If the procedures
would not have been done through the amnio testing, he
could have and probably would have went into total
renal failure shortly after birth and we would not
have been prepared!!!
The thing is, that's a great use for amnio. But the
'routine' testing done for DS isn't, IMO. And the
scaremongering which goes with it... ugh! On a par
with the stuff about vaccinations...
Tracy
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In a message dated 04/18/2001 12:23:37 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
tracy.oldfield@... writes:
Well, you wouldn't know you have the problem until you do the test, it seems
to me.
And some of us who would opt for an abortion if told we were going to have a
DS child want the information to make an informed choice.
I guess that's why it's a choice -- everyone makes their own private choice.
Nance
tracy.oldfield@... writes:
The thing is, that's a great use for amnio. But the
'routine' testing done for DS isn't, IMO. And the
scaremongering which goes with it... ugh! On a par
with the stuff about vaccinations...
Tracy
Well, you wouldn't know you have the problem until you do the test, it seems
to me.
And some of us who would opt for an abortion if told we were going to have a
DS child want the information to make an informed choice.
I guess that's why it's a choice -- everyone makes their own private choice.
Nance
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From: marbleface@...
Well, you wouldn't know you have the problem until you do the test, it seems
to me.
---
Just to stick my nose in :)
If I recall the original post correctly, in *that case*, an ultrasound
indicated a problem, so an amnio was done to determine the problem. The
amnio was not routine, but used only after a problem was detected.
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Well, you wouldn't know you have the problem until you do the test, it seems
to me.
---
Just to stick my nose in :)
If I recall the original post correctly, in *that case*, an ultrasound
indicated a problem, so an amnio was done to determine the problem. The
amnio was not routine, but used only after a problem was detected.
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> The thing is, that's a great use for amnio. But theI agree fully!!! I came in on the tail end of the
>
> 'routine' testing done for DS isn't, IMO. And the
> scaremongering which goes with it... ugh! >
> Tracy
>
subject posts and wasn't 100% sure what we were
talking about exactly. I had over 500 e-mails and I
just kinda hit the highlights. *smile* I do think
that the medical professionals do use scare tactics
and convince (older) sorry! mothers that something is
wrong with their babies and they need test! I do not
think that that is the proper way to handle the
situation!
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In a message dated 4/18/01 12:05:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
azhom2000@... writes:
<< 4 months into my pregnancy they discovered
that his kidneys were not forming properly thru an
ultra sound. We were able to have an amnio and tests
revealed just exactly the nature of the problem we
were dealing with. Procedures and precautions were
taken in preparing for his arrival. >>
This is the kind of situation where amnio IS all for the good!
Lucy
azhom2000@... writes:
<< 4 months into my pregnancy they discovered
that his kidneys were not forming properly thru an
ultra sound. We were able to have an amnio and tests
revealed just exactly the nature of the problem we
were dealing with. Procedures and precautions were
taken in preparing for his arrival. >>
This is the kind of situation where amnio IS all for the good!
Lucy
Lynda
Unfortunately amnio has suffered from bad press. Too much anecdotal telling
of stories that weren't first hand to begin have grown into "facts" with a
life of their own. Kinda like when in ps on a rainy day teachers would have
kids play "Telephone, Telegraph" to see how an original sentence she handed
out ended up when it reached the end of the line when whispered from ear to
ear.
Amnios, when properly done with ultrasound concurrently, have a less than 1%
chance of causing a miscarriage. There is a 2-3% chance of a miscarriage in
a normal pregnancy. So what caused the miscarriage. No one knows for sure.
As to the accuracy of the testing, the test for Down's is 99% accurate, the
tests for other genetic problems are 90% accurate.
http://www.obgyn.upenn.edu/Genetics/Amnio.html
Now on to the good. There are many, many, many children alive that wouldn't
have been because of lung, spine and kidney disorders that amnios have
accurately diagnosed. Many, many more than there have been errors and many,
many more than there have been possible miscarriages.
Although, due to a litigious society, some doctors are mad about tests, most
hold to the guidelines that are set which are: history, age (over 35), other
test results (blood tests, ultrasounds), current complaints of patient which
indicate that this test should be done.
Babies with SB have an excellent survival rate now that amnios are done
(natural births can do severe damage to a spine that is already damaged
which frequently resulted in death). An amnio can tell you if the lungs are
mature enough to allow an early lab to proceed or if you should be given
drugs to try to stop the labor. Kidney problems which were deadly 30 years
ago are now being treated in utereo or immediately after birth. Treatment
can begin immediately after birth for those with cystic fibrosis.
Lynda
of stories that weren't first hand to begin have grown into "facts" with a
life of their own. Kinda like when in ps on a rainy day teachers would have
kids play "Telephone, Telegraph" to see how an original sentence she handed
out ended up when it reached the end of the line when whispered from ear to
ear.
Amnios, when properly done with ultrasound concurrently, have a less than 1%
chance of causing a miscarriage. There is a 2-3% chance of a miscarriage in
a normal pregnancy. So what caused the miscarriage. No one knows for sure.
As to the accuracy of the testing, the test for Down's is 99% accurate, the
tests for other genetic problems are 90% accurate.
http://www.obgyn.upenn.edu/Genetics/Amnio.html
Now on to the good. There are many, many, many children alive that wouldn't
have been because of lung, spine and kidney disorders that amnios have
accurately diagnosed. Many, many more than there have been errors and many,
many more than there have been possible miscarriages.
Although, due to a litigious society, some doctors are mad about tests, most
hold to the guidelines that are set which are: history, age (over 35), other
test results (blood tests, ultrasounds), current complaints of patient which
indicate that this test should be done.
Babies with SB have an excellent survival rate now that amnios are done
(natural births can do severe damage to a spine that is already damaged
which frequently resulted in death). An amnio can tell you if the lungs are
mature enough to allow an early lab to proceed or if you should be given
drugs to try to stop the labor. Kidney problems which were deadly 30 years
ago are now being treated in utereo or immediately after birth. Treatment
can begin immediately after birth for those with cystic fibrosis.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <DACunefare@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Amnio WAS doom and gloom--cessation,and
plea etc
> **As to "Someday amnio will be seen as a horror foisted upon many women
> against their wills" I doubt that it will as it has saved far too many
> lives that would not have been saved without the knowledge gained with its
> use. **
>
> Saved far too many lives? How so?
>
> Everytime I've heard amnio mentioned it was accompanied by the possibility
of
> abortion for defects. Hardly life saving.
>
> Deborah
>
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I think a lot of problems occur because poeple
don't ask enough questions or are not given enough information in order to make
an informed decision. When my doctor recommended amniocenesis, I asked all kind
of questions. Probably twenty minutes worth. I found out all I could, positives
and minuses. I took a couple of days to find out information independently
before saying yes or no. In my case the anser was no, but in a different
situation it might have been yes. With my first child, I took the doctor's word
on whether a test was needed, but learned to question and did refuse some tests
in subsequent pregnancies. Each pregnancy is different and as the parent, we
have an obligation to our child to choose wisely, even before they "arrive".
Thank you Linda for presenting another side to the issue.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----From: LyndaSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:13 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Amnio WAS doom and gloom--cessation,and plea etcUnfortunately amnio has suffered from bad press. Too much anecdotal telling
of stories that weren't first hand to begin have grown into "facts" with a
life of their own. Kinda like when in ps on a rainy day teachers would have
kids play "Telephone, Telegraph" to see how an original sentence she handed
out ended up when it reached the end of the line when whispered from ear to
ear.
Amnios, when properly done with ultrasound concurrently, have a less than 1%
chance of causing a miscarriage. There is a 2-3% chance of a miscarriage in
a normal pregnancy. So what caused the miscarriage. No one knows for sure.
As to the accuracy of the testing, the test for Down's is 99% accurate, the
tests for other genetic problems are 90% accurate.
http://www.obgyn.upenn.edu/Genetics/Amnio.html
Now on to the good. There are many, many, many children alive that wouldn't
have been because of lung, spine and kidney disorders that amnios have
accurately diagnosed. Many, many more than there have been errors and many,
many more than there have been possible miscarriages.
Although, due to a litigious society, some doctors are mad about tests, most
hold to the guidelines that are set which are: history, age (over 35), other
test results (blood tests, ultrasounds), current complaints of patient which
indicate that this test should be done.
Babies with SB have an excellent survival rate now that amnios are done
(natural births can do severe damage to a spine that is already damaged
which frequently resulted in death). An amnio can tell you if the lungs are
mature enough to allow an early lab to proceed or if you should be given
drugs to try to stop the labor. Kidney problems which were deadly 30 years
ago are now being treated in utereo or immediately after birth. Treatment
can begin immediately after birth for those with cystic fibrosis.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <DACunefare@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Amnio WAS doom and gloom--cessation,and
plea etc
> **As to "Someday amnio will be seen as a horror foisted upon many women
> against their wills" I doubt that it will as it has saved far too many
> lives that would not have been saved without the knowledge gained with its
> use. **
>
> Saved far too many lives? How so?
>
> Everytime I've heard amnio mentioned it was accompanied by the possibility
of
> abortion for defects. Hardly life saving.
>
> Deborah
>
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Lynda
I've found that the majority of folks that
homeschool, and in particular those that unschool, are much more likely to
question--doctors, the status quo, things in general. You would be amazed
at just how lemming like, and in some cases, just plain dumb folks are that come
into hospitals/doctors' offices.
The doctor says do the test, they do the test no
questions asked. Doctor says take the pill, they take the pill, no
questions asked. Government says give the shots, they give the shots, no
questions asked. Government says "its o.k., we tested it," they buy it and
no questions asked.
I'm thinking that is one of the reasons this
country is run for the good of the corporate dollar and not the good of the
people!
Lynda
"Wonderful little, when all is said,
Wonderful little our fathers knew.
Half their remedies cured you dead-
Most of their teaching was quite untrue..."
by Rudyard Kipling,
Wonderful little our fathers knew.
Half their remedies cured you dead-
Most of their teaching was quite untrue..."
by Rudyard Kipling,
----- Original Message -----From: JohannaSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:54 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Amnio WAS doom and gloom--cessation,and plea etcI think a lot of problems occur because poeple don't ask enough questions or are not given enough information in order to make an informed decision. When my doctor recommended amniocenesis, I asked all kind of questions. Probably twenty minutes worth. I found out all I could, positives and minuses. I took a couple of days to find out information independently before saying yes or no. In my case the anser was no, but in a different situation it might have been yes. With my first child, I took the doctor's word on whether a test was needed, but learned to question and did refuse some tests in subsequent pregnancies. Each pregnancy is different and as the parent, we have an obligation to our child to choose wisely, even before they "arrive". Thank you Linda for presenting another side to the issue.Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!----- Original Message -----From: LyndaSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:13 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Amnio WAS doom and gloom--cessation,and plea etcUnfortunately amnio has suffered from bad press. Too much anecdotal telling
of stories that weren't first hand to begin have grown into "facts" with a
life of their own. Kinda like when in ps on a rainy day teachers would have
kids play "Telephone, Telegraph" to see how an original sentence she handed
out ended up when it reached the end of the line when whispered from ear to
ear.
Amnios, when properly done with ultrasound concurrently, have a less than 1%
chance of causing a miscarriage. There is a 2-3% chance of a miscarriage in
a normal pregnancy. So what caused the miscarriage. No one knows for sure.
As to the accuracy of the testing, the test for Down's is 99% accurate, the
tests for other genetic problems are 90% accurate.
http://www.obgyn.upenn.edu/Genetics/Amnio.html
Now on to the good. There are many, many, many children alive that wouldn't
have been because of lung, spine and kidney disorders that amnios have
accurately diagnosed. Many, many more than there have been errors and many,
many more than there have been possible miscarriages.
Although, due to a litigious society, some doctors are mad about tests, most
hold to the guidelines that are set which are: history, age (over 35), other
test results (blood tests, ultrasounds), current complaints of patient which
indicate that this test should be done.
Babies with SB have an excellent survival rate now that amnios are done
(natural births can do severe damage to a spine that is already damaged
which frequently resulted in death). An amnio can tell you if the lungs are
mature enough to allow an early lab to proceed or if you should be given
drugs to try to stop the labor. Kidney problems which were deadly 30 years
ago are now being treated in utereo or immediately after birth. Treatment
can begin immediately after birth for those with cystic fibrosis.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <DACunefare@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Amnio WAS doom and gloom--cessation,and
plea etc
> **As to "Someday amnio will be seen as a horror foisted upon many women
> against their wills" I doubt that it will as it has saved far too many
> lives that would not have been saved without the knowledge gained with its
> use. **
>
> Saved far too many lives? How so?
>
> Everytime I've heard amnio mentioned it was accompanied by the possibility
of
> abortion for defects. Hardly life saving.
>
> Deborah
>
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