Mary E Gates

I'm new here and writing from Eastern Washington State. I'm looking for
support for my youngest daughter's transition out of diapers (aka potty
training!). She is definitely resisting it. She seems to have bladder
control, but not so great for BM's. I'm considering just not buying
diapers anymore. Does that sound cruel? Tried pull-ups, but she treats
them as a diaper. Any support or ideas would be helpful!
I hope this is an OK question for this list. I'm trying to trust in my
children's own rates of mastering skills. But it's hard when all her
friends, including some much younger, are out of diapers. Even my
usually supportive mother wonders if I just "haven't made it clear to her
that I expect her to use the toilet"!
Mary Ellen
Life's too mysterious...
don't take it serious!
Mom to Lisa, 6, and Jackie, 4.

Joseph A. & Susan D. Fuerst

Hi Mary Ellen,
My 4.5yo was able to use the potty for her urine months before her two same
age friends on our street. Her bowels, however, have been a completely
different story!! She has had constipation issues from birth. Our doctor
sent us to a specialist when she turned 4. We agonized with this 'bowel
program' for 2 1/2 months. (She was taking 5 TBPS of medicine daily!! And
we struggled to get it in her.) We finally, 'gave it up' and let it go. I
decided to just let her be for a few months ... maybe she's just on the far
end of that spectrum.
We did not allow her to wear pull-ups during the day. And she was somewhat
limited with activities if she had accidents (e.g., she was not allowed to
go on certain outings or to friends homes if she had had an accident the day
before.) THIS WAS NEVER A PUNISHMENT!! We did offer 'incentives' like
special outings when she did well.
T.Berry Brazelton holds the opinion that some children are afraid to let
their bowel movements be flushed because they see it as part of
themselves.....I can't say what goes through the mind of a four year old!!
Hopefully, you can hang on to your own comment: Life's too
mysterious...don't take it serious.
My only other words of wisdom: This too shall pass.
Blessings, Susan

>From: Mary E Gates <megates@...>
>
>I'm new here and writing from Eastern Washington State. I'm looking for
>support for my youngest daughter's transition out of diapers (aka potty
>training!). She is definitely resisting it. She seems to have bladder
>control, but not so great for BM's. I'm considering just not buying
>diapers anymore. Does that sound cruel? Tried pull-ups, but she treats
>them as a diaper. Any support or ideas would be helpful!
>I hope this is an OK question for this list. I'm trying to trust in my
>children's own rates of mastering skills. But it's hard when all her
>friends, including some much younger, are out of diapers. Even my
>usually supportive mother wonders if I just "haven't made it clear to her
>that I expect her to use the toilet"!
>Mary Ellen
>Life's too mysterious...
>don't take it serious!
>Mom to Lisa, 6, and Jackie, 4.
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Hi,
When I decided to potty train my 2 1/2 yo daughter it was a couple of months
past her second birthday. I just took off the diapers and never looked back.
I've have to clean up some messes but it's only been 3 months and she's fully
potty trained. Plus I put posterboard on the bathroom door and let her put
her favorite stickers on it when she went on the potty. (Praise them
constantly!) It was a lot cheaper and easier to clean the carpets than buy
pull ups.
Good Luck
Tracy from South Jersey

Lisa Bugg

Does it help to know that I have one child that wasn't *trained* until about
4 1/2? He's my cautious child, the one who never rushes into anything.
Have you ever seen an untrained teenager?? They do (unless there is an
organic problem) get it, just in their own time. You just have to learn to
let go of the idea they should do something on a time table, even if it's a
time table most kids fit. AND also remember that most people fudge a great
deal. Sure, I can say my last child was out of diapers around two. That's
because she spent from 2- 3 naked. It had nothing to do with being capable
of going potty, it had to do with the fact she wouldn't wear dipaers, or
anything else for that matter. :0 sigh.. I miss those days.

Lisa

From: Mary E Gates <megates@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 8:01 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] potty training


> From: Mary E Gates <megates@...>
>
> I'm new here and writing from Eastern Washington State. I'm looking for
> support for my youngest daughter's transition out of diapers (aka potty
> training!). She is definitely resisting it. She seems to have bladder
> control, but not so great for BM's. I'm considering just not buying
> diapers anymore. Does that sound cruel? Tried pull-ups, but she treats
> them as a diaper. Any support or ideas would be helpful!
> I hope this is an OK question for this list. I'm trying to trust in my
> children's own rates of mastering skills. But it's hard when all her
> friends, including some much younger, are out of diapers. Even my
> usually supportive mother wonders if I just "haven't made it clear to her
> that I expect her to use the toilet"!
> Mary Ellen
> Life's too mysterious...
> don't take it serious!
> Mom to Lisa, 6, and Jackie, 4.
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>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] potty training
>Date: Tue, Aug 10, 1999, 7:52 PM
>

>When I decided to potty train my 2 1/2 yo daughter it was a couple of months
>past her second birthday. I just took off the diapers and never looked back.
>I've have to clean up some messes but it's only been 3 months and she's fully
>potty trained.

Really, I recommend just waiting until the *child* decides, not the parent.
Unschooled potty learning. My daughter was nearly three when she decided to
use the potty. She took off her diapers on a Thursday and that was it,
except I did ask her to wear a pull-up at night for a week until I was sure
she would wake up (she did). I am willing to wager that if you'd waited the
three months she would have been reliable at just about the same time,
without the three months of messes.

Pam
pamhartley@...

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In a message dated 08/10/1999 10:43:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
megates@... writes:

<<
I'm new here and writing from Eastern Washington State. I'm looking for
support for my youngest daughter's transition out of diapers (aka potty
training!). She is definitely resisting it. She seems to have bladder
control, but not so great for BM's. I'm considering just not buying
diapers anymore. Does that sound cruel? Tried pull-ups, but she treats
them as a diaper. Any support or ideas would be helpful!
I hope this is an OK question for this list. I'm trying to trust in my
children's own rates of mastering skills. But it's hard when all her
friends, including some much younger, are out of diapers. Even my
usually supportive mother wonders if I just "haven't made it clear to her
that I expect her to use the toilet"! >>
My suggestion would be to wait and not make a power struggle out of
bodily functions!!!
When my 7 1/2 yo dd was about 3 1/2 I asked her if it woudl be more
convenient to use the toilet. She planted her feet on the ground, crossed her
arms, looked me straight in the eye, and stated, "Not ready, Mom." End of
subject.
Debra

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In a message dated 08/11/1999 12:23:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LisaBugg@... writes:

<< AND also remember that most people fudge a great
deal. >>

Boy, is THAT true!!! My mil insists that my husband was potty trained at 7
months!!! LOL!! I think SHE was potty-trained 7 months after giving birth
to him!!! I can just imagine her following him around all the time, trying
to catch the first drip!!! ROFLOL!!!

Sam

Karen & David Hoogland

Your daughter sounds like my oldest son (he didnt potty train till he was
4). Since he has always been a smart little cookie...what I did was have
HIM pick a date on the calendar that would be the start of "NO MORE DIAPER"
days. (I only showed him one months calendar!!) It worked!! Each day, we
crossed off a day...getting closer and closer to the 'big' day. I think it
made HIM feel in control!!

~~Karen

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From: Mary E Gates <megates@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 9:43 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] potty training


>From: Mary E Gates <megates@...>
>
>I'm new here and writing from Eastern Washington State. I'm looking for
>support for my youngest daughter's transition out of diapers (aka potty
>training!). She is definitely resisting it. She seems to have bladder
>control, but not so great for BM's. I'm considering just not buying
>diapers anymore. Does that sound cruel? Tried pull-ups, but she treats
>them as a diaper. Any support or ideas would be helpful!
>I hope this is an OK question for this list. I'm trying to trust in my
>children's own rates of mastering skills. But it's hard when all her
>friends, including some much younger, are out of diapers. Even my
>usually supportive mother wonders if I just "haven't made it clear to her
>that I expect her to use the toilet"!
>Mary Ellen
>Life's too mysterious...
>don't take it serious!
>Mom to Lisa, 6, and Jackie, 4.
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>>She is definitely resisting it. She seems to have bladder
control, but not so great for BM's. I'm considering just not buying
diapers anymore. Does that sound cruel? Tried pull-ups, but she treats
them as a diaper. Any support or ideas would be helpful<snip>

Hello Mary Ellen,

what a coincidince, but this is something I am working on as well. I have
done potty learning by allowing my children in to watch, and respecting
their own timetables. All three of my girls learned to use the potty
between 2 1/2 and 3 years old without accidents.

One of my twins, who is almost five, has refused to have bowel movements on
the potty. Betsy has them in her underwear instead. I have treated her
with respect, talked and talked about it, kept it simple, ie "I know you'll
poop on the potty when you are ready" and "everybody poops on the potty"
etc. All I could get out of her was that she was afraid to go on the potty
because it would hurt.

I have had her to the doctors for a check-up over this, and she has never
exhibited signs of constipation. The biggest problem we've had with it is
that she "forgets" to tell me about it, so the bm's get all over her bottom
and causes yeast infections. (no fun)

Last night when we were getting ready for bed and putting away laundry she
walked around the house for half an hour, crying and squeeling *loudly* that
her butt hurt. I decided that it was time to take action, and took her to
the bathroom. I explained calmly that we wouldn't leave until she pooped.
She cried and cried, and even tried to bite me. The other kids were really
supportive, and my oldest drew a picture of Betsy pooping that we hung up on
the wall.

Betsy screamed and begged to go to bed, but I held my ground and started
rubbing her tummy in the "I-love-you" massage (I think it's in the Sear's
BABY BOOK for colic). She screamed at me that she was going to DIE if she
pooped (?!?!) but I kept repeating that I knew she could do it, and whenever
I offered to leave she asked me to stay. After over ninety minutes of
crying, she had the bigest bm I've ever seen out of such a small child,
stopped crying immediately, and was extremely proud. She hugged me and said
she needed to go tell her sisters.

I think her problem stems from one occasion when it did hurt to go, and she
just held on to that. My oldest almost road her bike out in front of a car
when she was five and her scared her so much that she refused to cross
streets for several months. I remember a similar experience of having to
hold her in the van while she screamed about refusing to cross the parking
lot from the car to the grocery store. It took about forty-five minutes
before she would allow me to carry her in to the store (and come to think of
it, she was a few weeks before the age of five at the time, too. Hmmmm.
Coincidince?) and after that catharsis she got over her fear of crossing the
street.

Sorry if this story is really long, and I have no idea where our potty
learning saga will go now. But Betsy will be five in a few days, so I hope
you don't feel so alone! I know of a woman near Pontiac, MI who is
gathering information to write a book about late trainers, her twin boys
were still in diapers at the age of five last summer.

Warmly,
Sandra Brown
Ann Arbor, MI
Mom to Emily 7, Molly and Betsy 4, and Garrison 20 months; all very spirited
nonconforming children

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Mary Ellen, I found with my daughter that if you make a big production of
shopping for "very beautiful BIG GIRL undies"
(my daughter loved those rhumba undies with the lace on the butt) that it is
an inspiration not to soil them.
Blessings, Lori in TX

mrstar

We tried that 'special undies' with our 3 yr old Piper (4-6-96). She started
going to the potty when she was 2.5 exactly and was doing great until march
when we started making her (worst think we have done so far this year) go to
nursery at church. We only made her go for a month before we realized that
it was the wrong decision but the damage was done. She took control of the
one thing she could, her potty habits. She started not only going in her
pants but going where ever she felt like. It is a long uphill battle trying
to regain her trust and encourage her to use the potty every time. She
always does bm in the toilet but she will still pee where she wants to
sometimes. It is very frustrating but what I find works best with her is
just treating her with respect and encouraging her but not over praising (it
just makes her more self conscious). My point, about the special undies, is
that she can wear her special pooh undies but if she soils them she will
quickly run out of them. Some days it works and some days it doesn't. By the
way, she is our most spirited child, our brightest and our most daring (has
been climbing high and jumping from high places for quite a while). Our now
4.5 yr old boy Sebastian potty trained himself promptly at 2.5 with no
problem, he just asked to wear undies one day and never looked back. Go
figure.

Mary in Idaho

ps, stupid spell checker wanted me to change undies to nudies. sheesh!

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In a message dated 8/10/99 9:23:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
LisaBugg@... writes:

<< Does it help to know that I have one child that wasn't *trained* until
about
4 1/2? He's my cautious child, the one who never rushes into anything.
Have you ever seen an untrained teenager?? >>

Same here for my 7 yo. 4 1/2 years. One day I said to him that sorry I
can't take you with me you're to big to change diapers outside of home. He
never wet another. My 2 yo at the time saw him start to use the potty and
trained herself within 2 days. It's not worth arguing over, she'll do it.

Charlotte

Joel Hawthorne

Along with food, potty training is another great way to add tension, resentment,
anger, upset etc. to one's life. You provide information. Children want to be
like the grown ups. They come to all of these things in their own time. Children
will eat well if they are provided lots of choices and information. They will...in
time. Good examples of course never hurt.

Pam Hartley wrote:

> From: "Pam Hartley" <pamhartley@...>
>
> ----------
> >From: Trayh1@...
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] potty training
> >Date: Tue, Aug 10, 1999, 7:52 PM
> >
>
> >When I decided to potty train my 2 1/2 yo daughter it was a couple of months
> >past her second birthday. I just took off the diapers and never looked back.
> >I've have to clean up some messes but it's only been 3 months and she's fully
> >potty trained.
>
> Really, I recommend just waiting until the *child* decides, not the parent.
> Unschooled potty learning. My daughter was nearly three when she decided to
> use the potty. She took off her diapers on a Thursday and that was it,
> except I did ask her to wear a pull-up at night for a week until I was sure
> she would wake up (she did). I am willing to wager that if you'd waited the
> three months she would have been reliable at just about the same time,
> without the three months of messes.
>
> Pam
> pamhartley@...
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In a message dated 8/11/99 4:57:17 AM, sbrown2@... writes:

<<One of my twins, who is almost five, has refused to have bowel movements on
the potty. ... All I could get out of her was that she was afraid to go on
the potty
because it would hurt.>>

I have a 5 year old boy who is at the same state. He finds it much more
comfortable to squat in a diaper than to sit either on a potty chair, or the
toilet.

It is hard to be patient and wait for him to be >>ready<< when he's so much
older than the norm for this development.

Betsy

Amy Aybar

At her age, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying when the
diapers are gone we're not going to get anymore. I did this with my son
when he was 3 3/4 and he did great. He was totally resistant before that.
I think a goal is a good thing for something like this, plus a little
warning ahead of time. I did however use them at night so I did get more,
but it was like two separate issues to him.

Amy
Mom to Carlos (6) and Sasha (now 4!!)


-----Original Message-----
From: Mary E Gates [mailto:megates@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 9:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] potty training


From: Mary E Gates <megates@...>

I'm new here and writing from Eastern Washington State. I'm looking for
support for my youngest daughter's transition out of diapers (aka potty
training!). She is definitely resisting it. She seems to have bladder
control, but not so great for BM's. I'm considering just not buying
diapers anymore. Does that sound cruel? Tried pull-ups, but she treats
them as a diaper. Any support or ideas would be helpful!
I hope this is an OK question for this list. I'm trying to trust in my
children's own rates of mastering skills. But it's hard when all her
friends, including some much younger, are out of diapers. Even my
usually supportive mother wonders if I just "haven't made it clear to her
that I expect her to use the toilet"!
Mary Ellen
Life's too mysterious...
don't take it serious!
Mom to Lisa, 6, and Jackie, 4.

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>From: Joel Hawthorne <jhawthorne@...>
>
>Along with food, potty training is another great way to add tension,
resentment,
>anger, upset etc. to one's life. You provide information. Children want
to be
>like the grown ups. They come to all of these things in their own time.
Children
>will eat well if they are provided lots of choices and information. They
will...in
>time. Good examples of course never hurt.

>> Really, I recommend just waiting until the *child* decides, not the parent.
>> Unschooled potty learning. My daughter was nearly three when she decided to
>> use the potty. She took off her diapers on a Thursday and that was it,
>> except I did ask her to wear a pull-up at night for a week until I was sure
>> she would wake up (she did). I am willing to wager that if you'd waited the
>> three months she would have been reliable at just about the same time,
>> without the three months of messes.
>>
>> Pam
>> pamhartley@...


It has been my experience (with my 13 nieces and nephews, children I have
had care for, and my own two) that when children are ready to potty train,
there are not messes (or rarely) and it takes more like a weekend than
three months. When they have the skills and the ability necessary, and
they show interest and are self motivated (without elaborate rewards,
ultimatums or other coersion) they will "train" themselves with minimal
help from you. Even my most brilliant niece, who was reading and doing
math at age three and continues to astound us all, did not potty train
until nearly 4, despite coersion, multiple rewards promised and other pushing.

Nanci K. in Idaho

Mary E Gates

Thank you everyone for ideas and SUPPORT!. I appreciate knowing we're
not alone. It really is just one more of those things that society
thinks should be done by a certain age and really is not so different
from when they learn to read or ride a bike or multiply. But for some
reason certain milestones are considered more critical by most people --
like when they learn to read, or potty train or wean from the breast.
By the way, my bil was potty trained at 9 months! (My mil says!!) And I
clearly remember having accidents and wetting the bed at 6 or so, even
though I'd been "potty trained" for years.
Mary Ellen
Where children are, there is the Golden Age.

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In a message dated 8/11/99 7:29:26 AM EST, kdhoogland@... writes:

<< Each day, we
crossed off a day...getting closer and closer to the 'big' day. I think it
made HIM feel in control!! >>
Karen.
What a great idea! Thank goodness I am done with pt, but this sounds great
for a certain type of child. PT, as with everything else depends on the type
child you have. LOL, I remember my mother "training my brother. He was so
little, and I remember strapping him onto his little potty seat that fit into
the potty seat, and sitting there for hours singing or reading or telling
stories to him, until he finally did whatever it was he was there to do!
Word to the mom, who was training who?!!
Teresa

Joseph A. & Susan D. Fuerst

--Sandra,
My 4.5 yod's bm difficulty stems from her battle with constipation. She's
the only four year old I know who asks how many grams of fiber are in her
cereal, fruit, other foods. She dreams of ice cream with fiber in it!!
We tried reading the book Everybody Poops (don't know author) and a
lift-the-flap-book called What Happens To Your Food? T. Berry Brazelton
recommends not flushing the bm away in their presence, in case the child is
afraid s/he's 'losing' part of his/her body.
Susan

>From: "Sandra Brown" <sbrown2@...>
>
>>>She is definitely resisting it. She seems to have bladder
>control, but not so great for BM's. I'm considering just not buying
>diapers anymore. Does that sound cruel? Tried pull-ups, but she treats
>them as a diaper. Any support or ideas would be helpful<snip>
>
>Hello Mary Ellen,
>
>what a coincidince, but this is something I am working on as well. I have
>done potty learning by allowing my children in to watch, and respecting
>their own timetables. All three of my girls learned to use the potty
>between 2 1/2 and 3 years old without accidents.
>
>One of my twins, who is almost five, has refused to have bowel movements on
>the potty. Betsy has them in her underwear instead. I have treated her
>with respect, talked and talked about it, kept it simple, ie "I know you'll
>poop on the potty when you are ready" and "everybody poops on the potty"
>etc. All I could get out of her was that she was afraid to go on the potty
>because it would hurt.
>
>I have had her to the doctors for a check-up over this, and she has never
>exhibited signs of constipation. The biggest problem we've had with it is
>that she "forgets" to tell me about it, so the bm's get all over her bottom
>and causes yeast infections. (no fun)
>
>Last night when we were getting ready for bed and putting away laundry she
>walked around the house for half an hour, crying and squeeling *loudly*
that
>her butt hurt. I decided that it was time to take action, and took her to
>the bathroom. I explained calmly that we wouldn't leave until she pooped.
>She cried and cried, and even tried to bite me. The other kids were really
>supportive, and my oldest drew a picture of Betsy pooping that we hung up
on
>the wall.
>
>Betsy screamed and begged to go to bed, but I held my ground and started
>rubbing her tummy in the "I-love-you" massage (I think it's in the Sear's
>BABY BOOK for colic). She screamed at me that she was going to DIE if she
>pooped (?!?!) but I kept repeating that I knew she could do it, and
whenever
>I offered to leave she asked me to stay. After over ninety minutes of
>crying, she had the bigest bm I've ever seen out of such a small child,
>stopped crying immediately, and was extremely proud. She hugged me and
said
>she needed to go tell her sisters.
>
>I think her problem stems from one occasion when it did hurt to go, and she
>just held on to that. My oldest almost road her bike out in front of a car
>when she was five and her scared her so much that she refused to cross
>streets for several months. I remember a similar experience of having to
>hold her in the van while she screamed about refusing to cross the parking
>lot from the car to the grocery store. It took about forty-five minutes
>before she would allow me to carry her in to the store (and come to think
of
>it, she was a few weeks before the age of five at the time, too. Hmmmm.
>Coincidince?) and after that catharsis she got over her fear of crossing
the
>street.
>
>Sorry if this story is really long, and I have no idea where our potty
>learning saga will go now. But Betsy will be five in a few days, so I hope
>you don't feel so alone! I know of a woman near Pontiac, MI who is
>gathering information to write a book about late trainers, her twin boys
>were still in diapers at the age of five last summer.
>
>Warmly,
>Sandra Brown
>Ann Arbor, MI
>Mom to Emily 7, Molly and Betsy 4, and Garrison 20 months; all very
spirited
>nonconforming children
>
>
>
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In a message dated 8/12/99 4:02:27 AM PST, fuerst@... writes:

<<
--Sandra,
My 4.5 yod's bm difficulty stems from her battle with constipation. She's
the only four year old I know who asks how many grams of fiber are in her
cereal, fruit, other foods. She dreams of ice cream with fiber in it!!
We tried reading the book Everybody Poops (don't know author) and a
lift-the-flap-book called What Happens To Your Food? T. Berry Brazelton
recommends not flushing the bm away in their presence, in case the child is
afraid s/he's 'losing' part of his/her body.
Susan
>>

Just a hint for children with constipation problems. Sugar free Gummy Bears
are an excellent, and fun way to cure the problem. Just a couple or 3 bears,
and you should have everything coming out easily.

Mary

Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall

At 01:11 PM 8/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
>From: "Amy Aybar" <funschoolmom@...>
>
>At her age, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying when the
>diapers are gone we're not going to get anymore. I did this with my son
>when he was 3 3/4 and he did great. He was totally resistant before that.
>I think a goal is a good thing for something like this, plus a little
>warning ahead of time. I did however use them at night so I did get more,
>but it was like two separate issues to him.
>
>Amy
>Mom to Carlos (6) and Sasha (now 4!!)


My elder son is 2.5 and he has a 15 month younger brother. I have a
feeling that I will have to wait until they are both able to potty train at
the same time, as I cannot see getting the older one off diapers while the
younger (in the same room) is still wearing them.

Nanci K. in Idaho

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In a message dated 8/12/99 4:02:26 AM, fuerst@... writes:

<<She dreams of ice cream with fiber in it!!>>

I've actually eaten ice cream with bran flakes sprinkled on the top. Try it!

Betsy

mrstar

<<She dreams of ice cream with fiber in it!!>>

<<<I've actually eaten ice cream with bran flakes sprinkled on the top. Try
it!>>>

Breyers natural vanilla with oatbran flakes and honey, tastes kind of like
that Mexican fried ice-cream to me.

Mary in Idaho

Joseph A. & Susan D. Fuerst

>From: ECSamHill@...
>
>
>In a message dated 8/12/99 4:02:26 AM, fuerst@... writes:
>
><<She dreams of ice cream with fiber in it!!>>
>
>I've actually eaten ice cream with bran flakes sprinkled on the top. Try
it!
>
>Betsy
>
Good idea!!! :-) Thanks!
I'm not sure about the gummy bear idea someone mentioned earlier....She was
taking 4 TBSP of Lactulose (a non-digestible sugar) A DAY for awhile......it
had no effect! Go figure.....
Susan

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In a message dated 8/13/99 11:29:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fuerst@...
writes:

<< I'm not sure about the gummy bear idea someone mentioned earlier....She was
taking 4 TBSP of Lactulose (a non-digestible sugar) A DAY for awhile......it
had no effect! Go figure.....
Susan >>

Works like a charm, the gummy bears.... We use them all the time and it
really doesn't take long.

Charlotte

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In a message dated 08/13/1999 11:48:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ECSamHill@... writes:

<< I've actually eaten ice cream with bran flakes sprinkled on the top. Try
it! >>

I eat yogurt in the morning with raisin bran in it...no milk, just yogurt and
cereal...it's good!

Sam

Joseph A. & Susan D. Fuerst

>Don't get me wrong, Charlotte, I'm willing to try ANYTHING (as long as
it's safe for her) She's hit a rough spot again after a glorius accident
free month. I'll let you know our results (not in detail, of course!! ;-)
Susan


><< I'm not sure about the gummy bear idea someone mentioned earlier....She
was
> taking 4 TBSP of Lactulose (a non-digestible sugar) A DAY for
awhile......it
> had no effect! Go figure.....
> Susan >>
>
>Works like a charm, the gummy bears.... We use them all the time and it
>really doesn't take long.
>
>Charlotte
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Hey, I'll try the beets, yogurt with raisin bran (actually dd went through
a raisin bran phase and now won't seem to touch it....she also won't eat
frosted mini wheats anymore....so these new suggestions are helpful. After
all, variety is the spice of life....or in this case, it'll hopefully at
least keep one 'regular' {hee hee}
Susan in KY

>From: "mrstar" <mrstar@...>
>
>BEETS!!! I just noticed for the umpteenth time. I always forget until we
>have them again. They make my youngest, who loves them, go like the
dickens.
>Poor little lady was so upset yesterday because she couldn't even make it
>too the potty on time (although it wasn't runny in the least), the up side,
>it was pretty pink colors. <g>. I was reading about the ice-cream and bran
>again and it hit me. I don't know if this is helpful to those with
>constipation problems but it sure keeps us free flowing here.
>
>Mary in Idaho (who tried really hard not to be crude, but surely didn't
>succeed)
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BEETS!!! I just noticed for the umpteenth time. I always forget until we
have them again. They make my youngest, who loves them, go like the dickens.
Poor little lady was so upset yesterday because she couldn't even make it
too the potty on time (although it wasn't runny in the least), the up side,
it was pretty pink colors. <g>. I was reading about the ice-cream and bran
again and it hit me. I don't know if this is helpful to those with
constipation problems but it sure keeps us free flowing here.

Mary in Idaho (who tried really hard not to be crude, but surely didn't
succeed)

mrstar

<< I'm not sure about the gummy bear idea someone mentioned earlier....She
was
taking 4 TBSP of Lactulose (a non-digestible sugar) A DAY for awhile......it
had no effect! Go figure.....
Susan >>

<<<Works like a charm, the gummy bears.... We use them all the time and it
really doesn't take long.>>>


So is it the artificial colors, the gelatin or the Aspartame that does it?

Mary in Idaho (better living through natural eating)