names and Englishness (and manure?)
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In a message dated 4/2/01 5:22:25 AM, unschooling@... writes:
<< My maternal grandfather was a Greenleaf. What is the origin of that name?
My paternal grandmother was a Page. >>
English on the first and probably French on the other (maybe both English).
(Maybe not, but probably.)
Just this morning walking back from leaving my van in the shop I was thinking
about living with animals. I saw pigeons and a prairie dog on the way back
and that was it. I was thinking about some of the traditional architecture
in colder parts of Europe in the middle ages that involved animals living
under the people-part. The animals generated some heat under the floor, the
people could still get in and out if the snow got really deep, but they must
have smelled the poop. Then I came to read and find that some people like
that smell.
Sandra
<< My maternal grandfather was a Greenleaf. What is the origin of that name?
My paternal grandmother was a Page. >>
English on the first and probably French on the other (maybe both English).
(Maybe not, but probably.)
Just this morning walking back from leaving my van in the shop I was thinking
about living with animals. I saw pigeons and a prairie dog on the way back
and that was it. I was thinking about some of the traditional architecture
in colder parts of Europe in the middle ages that involved animals living
under the people-part. The animals generated some heat under the floor, the
people could still get in and out if the snow got really deep, but they must
have smelled the poop. Then I came to read and find that some people like
that smell.
Sandra
Lynda
In the U.S. many ranches did and still do build living quarters over the
stables. Depending on the neatness :-} of the stable workers, there is
little if any smell in the apartments.
You can see lots of examples of these barns in Kentucky and, in CA, in
Sonoma County where there is a world famous round barn and another in Wikiup
Estates.
There is another one that is still in use in Mendocino County where
Seabisket lived and is buried.
Also the rental stables in SF use to have one but I'm not sure that they are
still running. I think I heard that about 10-15 years ago they were torn
down.
My cousin who lived in Scotland for awhile lived in an old stone one there
and they kept the cattle under her apartment. She said that it would get a
little smelly on warm days but that didn't happen often as they didn't get
many days that were all that warm <g>
Lynda
stables. Depending on the neatness :-} of the stable workers, there is
little if any smell in the apartments.
You can see lots of examples of these barns in Kentucky and, in CA, in
Sonoma County where there is a world famous round barn and another in Wikiup
Estates.
There is another one that is still in use in Mendocino County where
Seabisket lived and is buried.
Also the rental stables in SF use to have one but I'm not sure that they are
still running. I think I heard that about 10-15 years ago they were torn
down.
My cousin who lived in Scotland for awhile lived in an old stone one there
and they kept the cattle under her apartment. She said that it would get a
little smelly on warm days but that didn't happen often as they didn't get
many days that were all that warm <g>
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
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Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] names and Englishness (and manure?)
>
> In a message dated 4/2/01 5:22:25 AM, unschooling@... writes:
>
> << My maternal grandfather was a Greenleaf. What is the origin of that
name?
> My paternal grandmother was a Page. >>
>
> English on the first and probably French on the other (maybe both
English).
>
> (Maybe not, but probably.)
>
> Just this morning walking back from leaving my van in the shop I was
thinking
> about living with animals. I saw pigeons and a prairie dog on the way
back
> and that was it. I was thinking about some of the traditional
architecture
> in colder parts of Europe in the middle ages that involved animals living
> under the people-part. The animals generated some heat under the floor,
the
> people could still get in and out if the snow got really deep, but they
must
> have smelled the poop. Then I came to read and find that some people like
> that smell.
>
> Sandra
>
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In a message dated 4/2/01 12:16:27 PM, lurine@... writes:
<< My cousin who lived in Scotland for awhile lived in an old stone one there
and they kept the cattle under her apartment. She said that it would get a
little smelly on warm days but that didn't happen often as they didn't get
many days that were all that warm <g> >>
Oh, good point! I make assumptions from living in New Mexico that apply to
neither Kentucky, nor Scotland, nor most of the rest of the world!
Sandra
<< My cousin who lived in Scotland for awhile lived in an old stone one there
and they kept the cattle under her apartment. She said that it would get a
little smelly on warm days but that didn't happen often as they didn't get
many days that were all that warm <g> >>
Oh, good point! I make assumptions from living in New Mexico that apply to
neither Kentucky, nor Scotland, nor most of the rest of the world!
Sandra
Lynda
I don't know how cattle would be in the NM/Arizona type climate but we have
friends that raise horses in Arizona. I think the main thing is that with
horses the stalls are generally cleaned daily and sometimes twice daily for
show horses. I'm thinking that the old type open barn where cattle just
lounge would not be as pleasant, shall we say, to live above as the horse
stalls. Cattle being, hmmm, how to say this without posting a tv type
warning of content <g>, more liquid and messier <g> with what they leave
behind <g> Sheep aren't that aromatic except during the winter (yuck, wet
wool). And you can forget pigs. I don't even want them up wind let alone
near my house %-{
Lynda
friends that raise horses in Arizona. I think the main thing is that with
horses the stalls are generally cleaned daily and sometimes twice daily for
show horses. I'm thinking that the old type open barn where cattle just
lounge would not be as pleasant, shall we say, to live above as the horse
stalls. Cattle being, hmmm, how to say this without posting a tv type
warning of content <g>, more liquid and messier <g> with what they leave
behind <g> Sheep aren't that aromatic except during the winter (yuck, wet
wool). And you can forget pigs. I don't even want them up wind let alone
near my house %-{
Lynda
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> In a message dated 4/2/01 12:16:27 PM, lurine@... writes:
>
> << My cousin who lived in Scotland for awhile lived in an old stone one
there
> and they kept the cattle under her apartment. She said that it would get
a
> little smelly on warm days but that didn't happen often as they didn't get
> many days that were all that warm <g> >>
>
> Oh, good point! I make assumptions from living in New Mexico that apply
to
> neither Kentucky, nor Scotland, nor most of the rest of the world!
>
> Sandra
>
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My father's surname was Speed (English) and his mother's maiden name was
Russell (French), both had come from San Antonio, Texas. A few years ago my
best friend found a scrap book in an antique store. It had belonged to a
teenaged girl attending a fairly elite private school in San Antonio during
the year of 1901.
One of the pictures was of a girl with the last name of Speed. A recital
program in the book listed two French teachers, sisters, with the last name
of Russell.
It was astonishing to me that this book would make it's rounds into my hands.
I'm certain that all of these people are relations. It was almost eerie.
Kris
Russell (French), both had come from San Antonio, Texas. A few years ago my
best friend found a scrap book in an antique store. It had belonged to a
teenaged girl attending a fairly elite private school in San Antonio during
the year of 1901.
One of the pictures was of a girl with the last name of Speed. A recital
program in the book listed two French teachers, sisters, with the last name
of Russell.
It was astonishing to me that this book would make it's rounds into my hands.
I'm certain that all of these people are relations. It was almost eerie.
Kris