B. Van Brunt

I don't want to scare anyone, and I assume you've looked into this, but
aren't you nervous about giving your kids (or yourself) belladonna? It's a
poison (the plant is also called deadly nightshade). I guess in small
quantities it might be safe, but I would be worried about the risks.

-B.


----Original Message Follows----
From: Bobbie <insomniaaks@...>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1070
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:54:31 -0700 (PDT)

My son is "highly spirited" multiplied by 3. :) I love
him to death, but sometimes I wonder if he actually
could just run around in circles for 3 or 4 dayz
without stopping once. He also seems to ...be more
"spirited"... when he gets embarrassed about
something...like if someone notices, for example, how
"much energy he has!!!" or if someone gets annoyed
with him for literally bouncing off the walls, he just
does it even moreso. Not to spite, but out of
embarrassment and he "can't handle it" (my words) and
just acts bonkers. He gets an insomniatic (my very own
word) hair from me, and I give him "sleepytime" tea
(Celestial Seasonings makes it) with lots of honey,
and now he loves it and actually asks for it,
especially when he's sick. Also I got one time at the
health food store here a "bar" (like a candy bar..or
to him anyway) that is called "Pedi-Active" or
something like that, and there were little
"Pedi-Active" chewable pills too, that we tried. They
seemed to help somewhat, but not as much as the bar.
Who knows why. Maybe the bar had more EFA's in it.
Also my most favorite thing in the whole world (aside
from Rescue Remedy, of course, which we share) is
called "Humphrey's 3"...and they are "teething/colic"
homeopathic tablets and I gave them to ds when he
first started teething and to dd when she was a very
gas-filled cranky baby and now when they have tummy
aches or are getting restless (oh, it's also for
"wakefulness"), and sometimes 30 minutes before bed.
ds takes 5 now (he's a very skinny almost 6yo), and dd
still takes 3, she doesn't need more. I have taken
them sometimes, for a stomach ache and I took 7...(I
weighed about 115 at the time, to give you some idea
of dosage for you dd) and they worked immediately.
The ingredients are:
chamomila coffee belladonna and sugar.
they dissolve on the tongue and taste ...like sugar.
I get them at wal-mart or any pharmacy open...you have
to ask for them at the counter. It's about 3-5 dollars
for a bottle of 135 pellets.
Hope that helps a little.
-Bobbie
--- RValvo7626@... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/30/01 7:25:36 PM Mountain
> Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << Dh and I did try an herbal supplement for
> "active" children to help his
> neurotransmitters connect so stepson could think
> better and control himself.
> >>
>
> May I ask what this herbal supplement was? I do
> not label my dd except to
> say she is a highly spirited individual. (that's an
> understatement lol) .
> Our concern is her inability to chill out. If she
> freaks over something she
> cannot unlock and it escalates. We are moving to a
> condo from a ranch and I
> am already tried of asking her to lower her voice or
> walk instead of skip.
> Dh is going to be beside himself the first night her
> nose is bugging her and
> she "can't handle it" <------ her words and screams.
> I use Rescue Remedy for
> some things but not a lot. Also we tried Valerian
> for sleep troubles but it
> didn't seem to help.
>
> TIA NICKI~
>


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Lots of what we use in medicinal doses are poisons. Digatalis is foxglove
which is a poison, just to mention one other. It is all about doses and how
it is formulated.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "B. Van Brunt" <bvanbrunt4@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] belladonna


> I don't want to scare anyone, and I assume you've looked into this, but
> aren't you nervous about giving your kids (or yourself) belladonna? It's a
> poison (the plant is also called deadly nightshade). I guess in small
> quantities it might be safe, but I would be worried about the risks.
>
> -B.
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Bobbie <insomniaaks@...>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1070
> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
>
> My son is "highly spirited" multiplied by 3. :) I love
> him to death, but sometimes I wonder if he actually
> could just run around in circles for 3 or 4 dayz
> without stopping once. He also seems to ...be more
> "spirited"... when he gets embarrassed about
> something...like if someone notices, for example, how
> "much energy he has!!!" or if someone gets annoyed
> with him for literally bouncing off the walls, he just
> does it even moreso. Not to spite, but out of
> embarrassment and he "can't handle it" (my words) and
> just acts bonkers. He gets an insomniatic (my very own
> word) hair from me, and I give him "sleepytime" tea
> (Celestial Seasonings makes it) with lots of honey,
> and now he loves it and actually asks for it,
> especially when he's sick. Also I got one time at the
> health food store here a "bar" (like a candy bar..or
> to him anyway) that is called "Pedi-Active" or
> something like that, and there were little
> "Pedi-Active" chewable pills too, that we tried. They
> seemed to help somewhat, but not as much as the bar.
> Who knows why. Maybe the bar had more EFA's in it.
> Also my most favorite thing in the whole world (aside
> from Rescue Remedy, of course, which we share) is
> called "Humphrey's 3"...and they are "teething/colic"
> homeopathic tablets and I gave them to ds when he
> first started teething and to dd when she was a very
> gas-filled cranky baby and now when they have tummy
> aches or are getting restless (oh, it's also for
> "wakefulness"), and sometimes 30 minutes before bed.
> ds takes 5 now (he's a very skinny almost 6yo), and dd
> still takes 3, she doesn't need more. I have taken
> them sometimes, for a stomach ache and I took 7...(I
> weighed about 115 at the time, to give you some idea
> of dosage for you dd) and they worked immediately.
> The ingredients are:
> chamomila coffee belladonna and sugar.
> they dissolve on the tongue and taste ...like sugar.
> I get them at wal-mart or any pharmacy open...you have
> to ask for them at the counter. It's about 3-5 dollars
> for a bottle of 135 pellets.
> Hope that helps a little.
> -Bobbie
> --- RValvo7626@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/30/01 7:25:36 PM Mountain
> > Daylight Time,
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > << Dh and I did try an herbal supplement for
> > "active" children to help his
> > neurotransmitters connect so stepson could think
> > better and control himself.
> > >>
> >
> > May I ask what this herbal supplement was? I do
> > not label my dd except to
> > say she is a highly spirited individual. (that's an
> > understatement lol) .
> > Our concern is her inability to chill out. If she
> > freaks over something she
> > cannot unlock and it escalates. We are moving to a
> > condo from a ranch and I
> > am already tried of asking her to lower her voice or
> > walk instead of skip.
> > Dh is going to be beside himself the first night her
> > nose is bugging her and
> > she "can't handle it" <------ her words and screams.
> > I use Rescue Remedy for
> > some things but not a lot. Also we tried Valerian
> > for sleep troubles but it
> > didn't seem to help.
> >
> > TIA NICKI~
> >
>
>
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Homeopathy is very different than conventional medicine and uses
miniscule doeses of substances that, in their full strength, would actually
give the person the symptoms he/she is trying to alleviate. It's been around
for much longer than the medical approach commonly used today in the U.S. and
is quite safe. Even those doctors who don't believe in it don't consider the
doses dangerous, just too diluted to be effective. We have had excellent
results with some of the homeopathic remedies and feel much safer with these
than with the drugs in most over the counter medicine. Also, it works to
help you get over the illness/problem rather than just masking symptoms.

Lucy in Calif.

B. Van Brunt

I don't think I said what I meant in my post. I agree with you. Hoeopathy is
a legitimate practice and can work wonderfully. If you do your homework
and/or use a reputable homeopath. I worry about going to a drug store and
taking something on faith just because it is "natural." I'm not accusing the
orignal poster of doing this, I just wanted to make the point that people
should be aware of what they are taking and what the source is.

But I'm at work, and don't want to get caught on-line, so I often toss off
quick posts without making sure that my point is clear (or sometimes, that I
even know what my point is).

B.

----Original Message Follows----
From: LASaliger@...
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] belladonna
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:39:24 EDT

Homeopathy is very different than conventional medicine and uses
miniscule doeses of substances that, in their full strength, would actually
give the person the symptoms he/she is trying to alleviate. It's been
around
for much longer than the medical approach commonly used today in the U.S.
and
is quite safe. Even those doctors who don't believe in it don't consider
the
doses dangerous, just too diluted to be effective. We have had excellent
results with some of the homeopathic remedies and feel much safer with these
than with the drugs in most over the counter medicine. Also, it works to
help you get over the illness/problem rather than just masking symptoms.

Lucy in Calif.

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Yes, I've looked into it, cuz I knew it was from the
nightshade family...same one as opium, actually. But
alot of homeopathic medicine is based on using a
substance in very small precise amounts that would
normally CAUSE symptoms, in order to treat them. (I
know I worded that in the most confusing way possible,
but hey, what can you do? Hopefully someone else will
get what I'm saying and interpret.) One time I
accidentally gave dd more when she was little little
(accidentally meaning she was crying and crying from
teething, tired and just all out crankiness in the car
and we pulled over at a park and she got all mad and
fussy and knocked my hand when I was trying to pour
three into the other hand. Well, it was dark and I
thought I counted two of them (they're really small)
and gave them to her, and then gave her another and
she spit it out, though I couldn't find it's
gooey-ness just yet. So I gave her a new one, in my
mind totalling 3. Well, the first "two" were actually
3 (two of them were stuck together) and she actually
licked the spit out one back in when I gave her the
new one.) Well, needless to say it was too many for
her little baby self at that age and it just made her
crying worse, cuz she was panicky. So I definitely
DON'T recommend giving the little ones these while in
a dark van in a dark park with a screaming baby whose
arms and legs are flailing. :)In homeopathic medicine
the medicines aren't administered like herbals where
you take such and such mgs or tablets...it is very
very precise, because some of them-like belladonna are
otherwise dangerous...I don't think twice about giving
my kids humphreys, and I would choose it (and do) in a
hearbeat over giving them all the chemicals and
manmade medicines that make the pharmacutical
companies rich, and have actually been shown to be
harmful in the long run thru studies due to overuse,
etc. I don't mean to sound defensive, but I have just
heard an awful lot from M.D's and people choosing
"conventional" routes of health care about
"endangering" my children and herbs/homeopathics being
bad for them, almost constituting neglect, etc, etc,
so many times that it just automatically comes off as
defensive-ness when I explain myself.
Thankyou for posting this actually, though, cuz I
didn't specify in my post about it being precise and
just buying the already bottled and made up
"humphreys", but I listed the ingredients, (but not
the dosages) and someone may have thought "I'll just
make my own" sort of thing and ended up with very bad
results. K, I'm done. Bubye.
-Bobbie


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "B. Van Brunt" <bvanbrunt4@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] belladonna
>
>
> > I don't want to scare anyone, and I assume you've
> looked into this, but
> > aren't you nervous about giving your kids (or
> yourself) belladonna? It's a
> > poison (the plant is also called deadly
> nightshade). I guess in small
> > quantities it might be safe, but I would be
> worried about the risks.
> >
> > -B.
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: Bobbie <insomniaaks@...>
> > Reply-To: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number
> 1070
> > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:54:31 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> > My son is "highly spirited" multiplied by 3. :) I
> love
> > him to death, but sometimes I wonder if he
> actually
> > could just run around in circles for 3 or 4 dayz
> > without stopping once. He also seems to ...be more
> > "spirited"... when he gets embarrassed about
> > something...like if someone notices, for example,
> how
> > "much energy he has!!!" or if someone gets annoyed
> > with him for literally bouncing off the walls, he
> just
> > does it even moreso. Not to spite, but out of
> > embarrassment and he "can't handle it" (my words)
> and
> > just acts bonkers. He gets an insomniatic (my very
> own
> > word) hair from me, and I give him "sleepytime"
> tea
> > (Celestial Seasonings makes it) with lots of
> honey,
> > and now he loves it and actually asks for it,
> > especially when he's sick. Also I got one time at
> the
> > health food store here a "bar" (like a candy
> bar..or
> > to him anyway) that is called "Pedi-Active" or
> > something like that, and there were little
> > "Pedi-Active" chewable pills too, that we tried.
> They
> > seemed to help somewhat, but not as much as the
> bar.
> > Who knows why. Maybe the bar had more EFA's in it.
> > Also my most favorite thing in the whole world
> (aside
> > from Rescue Remedy, of course, which we share) is
> > called "Humphrey's 3"...and they are
> "teething/colic"
> > homeopathic tablets and I gave them to ds when he
> > first started teething and to dd when she was a
> very
> > gas-filled cranky baby and now when they have
> tummy
> > aches or are getting restless (oh, it's also for
> > "wakefulness"), and sometimes 30 minutes before
> bed.
> > ds takes 5 now (he's a very skinny almost 6yo),
> and dd
> > still takes 3, she doesn't need more. I have taken
> > them sometimes, for a stomach ache and I took
> 7...(I
> > weighed about 115 at the time, to give you some
> idea
> > of dosage for you dd) and they worked immediately.
> > The ingredients are:
> > chamomila coffee belladonna and sugar.
> > they dissolve on the tongue and taste ...like
> sugar.
> > I get them at wal-mart or any pharmacy open...you
> have
> > to ask for them at the counter. It's about 3-5
> dollars
> > for a bottle of 135 pellets.
> > Hope that helps a little.
> > -Bobbie
> > --- RValvo7626@... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 3/30/01 7:25:36 PM Mountain
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > >
> > > << Dh and I did try an herbal supplement for
> > > "active" children to help his
> > > neurotransmitters connect so stepson could
> think
> > > better and control himself.
> > > >>
> > >
> > > May I ask what this herbal supplement was?
> I do
> > > not label my dd except to
> > > say she is a highly spirited individual.
> (that's an
> > > understatement lol) .
> > > Our concern is her inability to chill out. If
> she
> > > freaks over something she
> > > cannot unlock and it escalates. We are moving
> to a
> > > condo from a ranch and I
> > > am already tried of asking her to lower her
> voice or
> > > walk instead of skip.
> > > Dh is going to be beside himself the first
> night her
> > > nose is bugging her and
> > > she "can't handle it" <------ her words and
> screams.
> > > I use Rescue Remedy for
> > > some things but not a lot. Also we tried
> Valerian
> > > for sleep troubles but it
> > > didn't seem to help.
> > >
> > > TIA NICKI~
> > >
> >
> >
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Homeopathy is very different than conventional
medicine and uses 
miniscule doeses of substances that, in their full
strength, would actually 
give the person the symptoms he/she is trying to
alleviate. It's been around 
for much longer than the medical approach commonly used
today in the U.S. and 
is quite safe. Even those doctors who don't believe in
it don't consider the 
doses dangerous, just too diluted to be effective. We
have had excellent 
results with some of the homeopathic remedies and feel
much safer with these 
than with the drugs in most over the counter medicine.
Also, it works to 
help you get over the illness/problem rather than just
masking symptoms.

 Lucy in Calif.

I thought homeopathy had been 'invented' or perhaps that's
rediscovered some time in the 19thC by some german doctor?
Not sure about 'modern medicine' but I think the developments
could be parallel. Anyone any wiser? (I know there are lots of
people wiser than me, but you know what I mean :-) )

Tracy

The Mowery Family

Homeopathic remedies are created in such a way that they contain only the "essence" of the nightshade.  Just enough so the body thinks it needs to combat it - therefore, healing itself.
 
I swear by homeopathy, have since dd was 6mos.  It works because how could an infant have placebo effect.
 
Karen M in Mich

Bobbie

Ah yes, essence. That's the word. I used to be able to
explain myself, I swear. :) Thankyou for putting the
right words to my thoughts. I swear my mind is going
mushy. Is it possible to get all the affects of a
stoner without being stoned?
hm.
Anyone else swear by color therapy, aromatherapy
(aside from manure<g>), reiki, infant massage?
It would be an interesting topic to hear about, and
how you teach it to your kids....
-Bobbie

--- The Mowery Family <jkkddmowery@...>
wrote:
> Homeopathic remedies are created in such a way that
> they contain only the "essence" of the nightshade.
> Just enough so the body thinks it needs to combat it
> - therefore, healing itself.
>
> I swear by homeopathy, have since dd was 6mos. It
> works because how could an infant have placebo
> effect.
>
> Karen M in Mich
>


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Anyone else swear by color therapy, aromatherapy
(aside from manure<g>), reiki, infant massage?
It would be an interesting topic to hear about, and
how you teach it to your kids....
-Bobbie 

I don't 'swear by' anything much, but I do know that
when I make an effort to 'do something' about any kind
of ill health, I do feel better. I quite often use a
'Louise-Hay-style' affermation mantra of self-love,
this does help me get through stuff, and quicker than
other folk in the house, it seems... I find most
'alternative' holistic therapies have a general benefit
simply because they're holistic.

I do have First Degree Reiki (though I know a Reiki
Master who doesn't separate the stages, everyone she
deals with is a Master) but haven't used it much, at
least consciously...

Tracy

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On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:39:24 EDT
LASaliger@... wrote:

> [Homeopathy]'s been around for much longer than the medical approach
> commonly used today in the U.S. and is quite safe. Even those doctors
> who don't believe in it don't consider the doses dangerous, just too
> diluted to be effective. We have had excellent results with some of

Exactly, as in "it's been diluted so much there aren't any actual molecules of
the original substance left, you're taking drops of pure water". Pretty safe.

The accusation of neglect comes not from worries about safety of homeopathy
but from worries about safety of not doing something actually effective, at
least in the mind of the accuser.

-xx- Damien X-)

Bobbie

precisely. The same way the accusation of neglect
comes when you tell someone you unschool. Not trusting
that as a parent you've made an informed choice, and
believing you once you've explained your
self-education on the subject. Concern is nice. It's
loving as another human. But we all can't agree on
everything. From education to whether it's worth it to
buy filtered water, to whether we should vaccinate or
not...all we can do is accept which "risks" are the
ones worth taking. I prefer the risk of giving the
kids pure water. Seems to work, whatever it is. :)
-Bobbie

--- phoenix@... wrote:
> The accusation of neglect comes not from worries
> about safety of homeopathy
> but from worries about safety of not doing something
> actually effective, at
> least in the mind of the accuser.
>
> -xx- Damien X-)
>


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