Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] from bookwork to no work?
Judie C. Rall
I do not want to register him next year, I
and I took out Pre-Paid legal coverage so that we would never have
to worry about the legal stuff. It's only $26 per month.
I'm sure there is some way to avoid it on "religious" grounds,
or....what if you just don't take the test? Is someone going to
come knocking on your door? Around here, if you say you are
homeschooling, neither social workers nor truant officers can come
knocking at your door because if you are homeschooling, they
have to stay out of your business.
Judie
> want to go our own way. Is that legal?I don't know if anyone else felt the need for this, but my husband
and I took out Pre-Paid legal coverage so that we would never have
to worry about the legal stuff. It's only $26 per month.
I'm sure there is some way to avoid it on "religious" grounds,
or....what if you just don't take the test? Is someone going to
come knocking on your door? Around here, if you say you are
homeschooling, neither social workers nor truant officers can come
knocking at your door because if you are homeschooling, they
have to stay out of your business.
Judie
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Hi everyone,my name is Renee and I homeschool my 8 yob. I would like
to be an unschooler. I think he would get much more out of
learning.Right now we are just banging heads with school books. I
live in upstate NY and he has to take the Metropol. Test in May, we
are craming so to speak.I do not want to register him next year, I
want to go our own way. Is that legal? I hate being on a time
schedule with the school district.I hate the school district. I know
that sounds radical,I dont mean it that way.How do i procede? Someone
PLEASE help. Thanks, Renee
to be an unschooler. I think he would get much more out of
learning.Right now we are just banging heads with school books. I
live in upstate NY and he has to take the Metropol. Test in May, we
are craming so to speak.I do not want to register him next year, I
want to go our own way. Is that legal? I hate being on a time
schedule with the school district.I hate the school district. I know
that sounds radical,I dont mean it that way.How do i procede? Someone
PLEASE help. Thanks, Renee
Erin M
>Hi everyone,my name is Renee and I homeschool my 8 yob. I would likeHi Renee!
>to be an unschooler. I think he would get much more out of
>learning.Right now we are just banging heads with school books. I
>live in upstate NY and he has to take the Metropol. Test in May, we
>are craming so to speak.I do not want to register him next year, I
>want to go our own way. Is that legal? I hate being on a time
>schedule with the school district.I hate the school district. I know
>that sounds radical,I dont mean it that way.How do i procede? Someone
>PLEASE help. Thanks, Renee
I wouldn't worry about being radical on this list!
I found the laws for NY at Unschooling.com
http://www.unschooling.com/resources/states/newyork.shtml.
They really do sound like a pain! You have to work on their schedule, submit
a plan, take tests. They even specify exactly what "needs" to be studied in
each grade! If by not registering with the school district you mean not
submitting a "declaration of intent to utilize a homestudy program", then
yes that is illegal. However, there are homeschooling families who do that
and you probably could and get away with it but..... If you think they would
notice or if the idea just strikes fear into your heart you might like to
look into Clonlara School's Home-based Education Program (www.clonlara.org).
Clonlara's a nationally accredited private campus school and if you register
with them you are officially considered a private school student by The
System,and Clonlara takes care of everything. And they don't force a
particular curriculum or even a structured school like system on you. You do
your thing, Clonlara gives credit for it. There's a $550 dollar tuition, but
if you have no alternatives or like the support it's well worth it and, hey,
it's cheaper than private school!
I can't think of another way you could do it within the law, because it's
awfully strict, but I'm sure the others have some good ideas.
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
Erin Mills
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Johanna
radical? I'd say you were in the right place. I
wish I could help you with Ny law but I live in Tennessee.
johanna
----- Original Message -----From: willie13339@...Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:32 PMSubject: [Unschooling-dotcom] from bookwork to no work?Hi everyone,my name is Renee and I homeschool my 8 yob. I would like
to be an unschooler. I think he would get much more out of
learning.Right now we are just banging heads with school books. I
live in upstate NY and he has to take the Metropol. Test in May, we
are craming so to speak.I do not want to register him next year, I
want to go our own way. Is that legal? I hate being on a time
schedule with the school district.I hate the school district. I know
that sounds radical,I dont mean it that way.How do i procede? Someone
PLEASE help. Thanks, Renee
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No, no, no, Renee, radical is GOOD. We love that here.
We celebrate it. And you'll find a large number of
people that hate the school system more than you ever
dreamed of. :)
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people that hate the school system more than you ever
dreamed of. :)
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I hate being
> on a time__________________________________________________
> schedule with the school district.I hate the school
> district. I know
> that sounds radical,I dont mean it that way.How do i
> procede? Someone
> PLEASE help. Thanks, Renee
>
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Bobbie.
Are you still on line? Just as a matter of interest, what time is it
over there (and where are you) It is 9.10pm Friday night here in New
Zealand
marianne
> No, no, no, Renee, radical is GOOD. We love that here..
> We celebrate it. And you'll find a large number of
> people that hate the school system more than you ever
> dreamed of. :)
> -Bobbie
Bobbie.
Are you still on line? Just as a matter of interest, what time is it
over there (and where are you) It is 9.10pm Friday night here in New
Zealand
marianne
Bobbie
heeheeh, yeah. I'm still here and you REALLY don't
want to know what time it is. Ok, it's very very late,
to the point of being early tomorrow. I have...HAD,
rather, insomnia... and an addiction to weeding
through old emails and trying to sort them. It has now
subsided to just trying to make a deal with
myself.."just two more, Bobbie and then TURN OFF THE
COMPUTER"...but had I not waited til now and this
point to say that to myself, then I would've been
lying awake doing nothing productive but thinking and
worrying and thinking and making myself even MORE
awake. Yes, I am a chronic thinker. It's a disease.
g'night.
*sweet* dreams to all the beautiful children all over
the world dreaming about whatever they darn well
please, whether they got snips of it from a tv show or
from a sci fi book or a detective book or porn (no, I
dind't mean that last part..)..or maybe they're
dreaming of riding their bike or their science project
or their ps dayz or god or a goddess or being
themselves when they grow up. More power to them, and
may fairies kiss their eyelids with the elixir of
sound sleep.
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want to know what time it is. Ok, it's very very late,
to the point of being early tomorrow. I have...HAD,
rather, insomnia... and an addiction to weeding
through old emails and trying to sort them. It has now
subsided to just trying to make a deal with
myself.."just two more, Bobbie and then TURN OFF THE
COMPUTER"...but had I not waited til now and this
point to say that to myself, then I would've been
lying awake doing nothing productive but thinking and
worrying and thinking and making myself even MORE
awake. Yes, I am a chronic thinker. It's a disease.
g'night.
*sweet* dreams to all the beautiful children all over
the world dreaming about whatever they darn well
please, whether they got snips of it from a tv show or
from a sci fi book or a detective book or porn (no, I
dind't mean that last part..)..or maybe they're
dreaming of riding their bike or their science project
or their ps dayz or god or a goddess or being
themselves when they grow up. More power to them, and
may fairies kiss their eyelids with the elixir of
sound sleep.
-Bobbie
--- tonitoni@... wrote:
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Bobbie__________________________________________________
> <insomniaaks@y...> wrote:
> > No, no, no, Renee, radical is GOOD. We love that
> here.
> > We celebrate it. And you'll find a large number of
> > people that hate the school system more than you
> ever
> > dreamed of. :)
> > -Bobbie
> .
>
> Bobbie.
> Are you still on line? Just as a matter of
> interest, what time is it
> over there (and where are you) It is 9.10pm Friday
> night here in New
> Zealand
> marianne
>
>
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> l.Yes, I am a chronic thinker. It's a disease.Oh me too! I lay awake at night *thinking* - thinking of what i have
> g'night.
done and what i should have done and how much money i owe how in the
world i am going to manage untill the end of the month - while my dh
sleeps sweetly!!!
marianne
Judie C. Rall
Judie C. Rall
T
door and you say that you are homeschooling, they can't bother
you. I am speaking only about my state (Oklahoma). I know this
is true because I have talked to a social worker at DHS. I worked
for a Christian school before unschooling, and was told straight out
by a social worker that if the parent says they are homeschooling,
the social worker can't do anything, her hands are tied legally.
Perhaps that is because Oklahoma is the only state which grants
parents the express right to homeschool in the State Constitution.
I don't know. This particular social worker told me that they KNEW
a child was "not being taught" but that because the parent said
they were homeschooling, legally they were not allowed to
investigate.
Judie
> << Around here, if you say you areEven if someone reports abuse or neglect, if they come to your
> homeschooling, neither social workers nor truant officers can come
> knocking at your door because if you are homeschooling, they
> have to stay out of your business. >>
>
> Social workers CAN come no matter what you're registered to do if someone
> reports abuse or neglect.
door and you say that you are homeschooling, they can't bother
you. I am speaking only about my state (Oklahoma). I know this
is true because I have talked to a social worker at DHS. I worked
for a Christian school before unschooling, and was told straight out
by a social worker that if the parent says they are homeschooling,
the social worker can't do anything, her hands are tied legally.
Perhaps that is because Oklahoma is the only state which grants
parents the express right to homeschool in the State Constitution.
I don't know. This particular social worker told me that they KNEW
a child was "not being taught" but that because the parent said
they were homeschooling, legally they were not allowed to
investigate.
Judie
A. Yates
Oh gosh, I'm afflicted with this too! ;)
I compose poetry and books while I lie there too! But but the time I get up
I can't remember any of them...Darn!
Ann
tonitoni@... wrote:
I compose poetry and books while I lie there too! But but the time I get up
I can't remember any of them...Darn!
Ann
tonitoni@... wrote:
> > l.Yes, I am a chronic thinker. It's a disease.
> > g'night.
>
> Oh me too! I lay awake at night *thinking* - thinking of what i have
> done and what i should have done and how much money i owe how in the
> world i am going to manage untill the end of the month - while my dh
> sleeps sweetly!!!
> marianne
>
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>>while my dhOh, Marianne! I can relate. My dh falls asleep soooo easily, no matter
> sleeps sweetly!!!
what is going on. His motto is "don't worry, get sleepy..." (Sung to
the music of "don't worry, get happy"). What is it about men that lets
them do that? I don't know whether to be ticked off at him ... or
jealous. Maybe we could learn from them --- you know, how to relax,
take it easy, not to worry ...
Nah ... then NOTHING would ever get done. ;o)
(Sorry if I am so sarcastic. Can't seem to help myself today)
~Nancy
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., tonitoni@z... wrote:
> > l.Yes, I am a chronic thinker. It's a disease.
> > g'night.
>
> Oh me too! I lay awake at night *thinking* - thinking of what i
have
> done and what i should have done and how much money i owe how in the
> world i am going to manage untill the end of the month -
> marianne
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Info about the laws in your state is available through the www.nhen.org site,
as well as many other places on the web. There is also a good article there
for new hsers. www.unschooling.com is a good place to start for unschooling
info.
I am in Florida, so I don't know much about NY regs.
One other thing: re "no work" -- LOL! There's actually more to do if you do
what you want -- but you probably already knew that!
Good luck with everything!
Nance
as well as many other places on the web. There is also a good article there
for new hsers. www.unschooling.com is a good place to start for unschooling
info.
I am in Florida, so I don't know much about NY regs.
One other thing: re "no work" -- LOL! There's actually more to do if you do
what you want -- but you probably already knew that!
Good luck with everything!
Nance
----- Original Message -----
From: willie13339@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] from bookwork to no work?
Hi everyone,my name is Renee and I homeschool my 8 yob. I would like
to be an unschooler. I think he would get much more out of
learning.Right now we are just banging heads with school books. I
live in upstate NY and he has to take the Metropol. Test in May, we
are craming so to speak.I do not want to register him next year, I
want to go our own way. Is that legal? I hate being on a time
schedule with the school district.I hate the school district. I know
that sounds radical,I dont mean it that way.How do i procede? Someone
PLEASE help. Thanks, Renee
[email protected]
In a message dated 03/30/2001 4:14:21 AM !!!First Boot!!!, adonai@...
writes:
I didn't think that was the way it actually worked. I think the way it goes
is you are still responsible and you get to call HSLDA (is that who you use?)
if you get in some sort of trouble and then they decide whether to take on
your case or not depending on the circumstances (like not if it is a custody
dispute).
Anyway, I think it is still the parents' job to do the legal bit themselves
(or not, I guess, if you are going to be non-compliant) -- the legal
insurance doesn't actually do anything for you as far as the paperwork, does
it?
Nance
writes:
I don't know if anyone else felt the need for this, but my husband
and I took out Pre-Paid legal coverage so that we would never have
to worry about the legal stuff. It's only $26 per month.
I didn't think that was the way it actually worked. I think the way it goes
is you are still responsible and you get to call HSLDA (is that who you use?)
if you get in some sort of trouble and then they decide whether to take on
your case or not depending on the circumstances (like not if it is a custody
dispute).
Anyway, I think it is still the parents' job to do the legal bit themselves
(or not, I guess, if you are going to be non-compliant) -- the legal
insurance doesn't actually do anything for you as far as the paperwork, does
it?
Nance
Kerry Kibort
I come up with my most brilliant schemes lying there
in the wee hours while dh and ds snore aside me. I
keep a notebook in my nightstand for this because I
never remember anything. Sometimes when I read what
I've written I have a good laugh, sometimes I do
something fabulous to be proud of. I got the idea to
paint my sons floor like a hockey rink in the wee
hours and it came out so cool.
Kerry
in the wee hours while dh and ds snore aside me. I
keep a notebook in my nightstand for this because I
never remember anything. Sometimes when I read what
I've written I have a good laugh, sometimes I do
something fabulous to be proud of. I got the idea to
paint my sons floor like a hockey rink in the wee
hours and it came out so cool.
Kerry
[email protected]
<< Around here, if you say you are
homeschooling, neither social workers nor truant officers can come
knocking at your door because if you are homeschooling, they
have to stay out of your business. >>
Social workers CAN come no matter what you're registered to do if someone
reports abuse or neglect. For families whose relatives and neighbors aren't
hostile, whose kids are smiley and peaceable, who have no ex-spouses with
custody issues, homeschooling is just about totally safe, registered or
unregistered. But one crazy relative or one neighbor who really hoped paying
school taxes would mean total silence for six hours a day could cause you
trouble.
And legal insurance won't do you any good if when you go for help they say
"You knowingly broke the law? Intentionally?"
But on the other hand, few states' homeschooling laws are criminal kinds of
things where they will really do much to you except to say "You're not
registered, you need to register.
In New Mexico it can build all the way up to a $50 fine if you ignore them
twice (and if they've followed their own too-strict little guidelines).
The laws here make it harder for the state or district to figure out how to
deal with unregistered homeschoolers than it is to homeschool.
Sandra Dodd
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homeschooling, neither social workers nor truant officers can come
knocking at your door because if you are homeschooling, they
have to stay out of your business. >>
Social workers CAN come no matter what you're registered to do if someone
reports abuse or neglect. For families whose relatives and neighbors aren't
hostile, whose kids are smiley and peaceable, who have no ex-spouses with
custody issues, homeschooling is just about totally safe, registered or
unregistered. But one crazy relative or one neighbor who really hoped paying
school taxes would mean total silence for six hours a day could cause you
trouble.
And legal insurance won't do you any good if when you go for help they say
"You knowingly broke the law? Intentionally?"
But on the other hand, few states' homeschooling laws are criminal kinds of
things where they will really do much to you except to say "You're not
registered, you need to register.
In New Mexico it can build all the way up to a $50 fine if you ignore them
twice (and if they've followed their own too-strict little guidelines).
The laws here make it harder for the state or district to figure out how to
deal with unregistered homeschoolers than it is to homeschool.
Sandra Dodd
______________________________
http://expage.com/RadicalUnschooling
______________________________
______________________________
Judie C. Rall
>I don't know how it is there, but here, if your child gets to school
> B.--I am in NH too. I also have some time before I need to write my first
> "letter of intent". I have the same concerns. How do you write a letter of
> intent as an unschooler? Where do you find an evaluator that understands
> unschooling. For instance, what if my child is not reading by the time that
> is "normally expected". Will this cause a problem in NH? If you find any good
> resources on this type of info--please let me know! Thanks, Merri
age and isn't ready, you just say that you postponing formal
studies in favor of informal learning.
You know what, we lived in a lot of different states when we were in
the military, and we just didn't worry about what the state
requirements were, no matter where we lived. We just did what we
wanted to do. In the majority of cases, though you may get
questions, nobody is going to report it to anybody. And if they do,
you can get legal backup.
Judie
B. Van Brunt
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From: "Judie C. Rall" <adonai@...>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] from bookwork to no work?
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:18:26 +0000
I do not want to register him next year, I
This really does vary from state to state (and, I assume, country to
country). Some states make it very easy to homeschool (sounds like OK is one
of those). Others require much more. For instance, NH requires a written
notification letter and curriculum at the beginning of the "school" year and
some sort of testing or evaluation at the end. I haven't yet figured how to
make the work with unschooling, since I have a few years before my kids
reach compulsory education age.
You really need to look at the laws where you are, including what the
consequences of non-comliance would be.
B.
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] from bookwork to no work?
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:18:26 +0000
I do not want to register him next year, I
> want to go our own way. Is that legal?-----
This really does vary from state to state (and, I assume, country to
country). Some states make it very easy to homeschool (sounds like OK is one
of those). Others require much more. For instance, NH requires a written
notification letter and curriculum at the beginning of the "school" year and
some sort of testing or evaluation at the end. I haven't yet figured how to
make the work with unschooling, since I have a few years before my kids
reach compulsory education age.
You really need to look at the laws where you are, including what the
consequences of non-comliance would be.
B.
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ugh don't you hate those sound sweet sleepers that
just say I'm going to sleep now and lay their head
down and somehow manange to NOT have another thought
at all and two seconds later they are snoring away?
It's spooky, says I. :)
-Bobbie
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just say I'm going to sleep now and lay their head
down and somehow manange to NOT have another thought
at all and two seconds later they are snoring away?
It's spooky, says I. :)
-Bobbie
--- tonitoni@... wrote:
> > l.Yes, I am a chronic thinker. It's a disease.__________________________________________________
> > g'night.
>
> Oh me too! I lay awake at night *thinking* -
> thinking of what i have
> done and what i should have done and how much money
> i owe how in the
> world i am going to manage untill the end of the
> month - while my dh
> sleeps sweetly!!!
> marianne
>
>
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k, I'll be moving to OK now, thanks. :)
-Bobbie
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> T__________________________________________________
> > << Around here, if you say you are
> > homeschooling, neither social workers nor truant
> officers can come
> > knocking at your door because if you are
> homeschooling, they
> > have to stay out of your business. >>
> >
> > Social workers CAN come no matter what you're
> registered to do if someone
> > reports abuse or neglect.
>
> Even if someone reports abuse or neglect, if they
> come to your
> door and you say that you are homeschooling, they
> can't bother
> you. I am speaking only about my state (Oklahoma).
> I know this
> is true because I have talked to a social worker at
> DHS. I worked
> for a Christian school before unschooling, and was
> told straight out
> by a social worker that if the parent says they are
> homeschooling,
> the social worker can't do anything, her hands are
> tied legally.
> Perhaps that is because Oklahoma is the only state
> which grants
> parents the express right to homeschool in the State
> Constitution.
> I don't know. This particular social worker told me
> that they KNEW
> a child was "not being taught" but that because the
> parent said
> they were homeschooling, legally they were not
> allowed to
> investigate.
>
>
> Judie
>
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Oh me too....novels upon novels worth...too bad I'm
not tired enough to fall asleep, but too tired to get
up and get a pen, let alone write any of it down! Then
in my awake hours (during the day) I try and try to
remember but it all escapes me except the worrying
stuff that I ignore until I have time for it, which,
as fate would have it, is when I lay down for sleep.
Ah well. My karma is a screwed up thing right now, I
think. :)
-Bobbie
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not tired enough to fall asleep, but too tired to get
up and get a pen, let alone write any of it down! Then
in my awake hours (during the day) I try and try to
remember but it all escapes me except the worrying
stuff that I ignore until I have time for it, which,
as fate would have it, is when I lay down for sleep.
Ah well. My karma is a screwed up thing right now, I
think. :)
-Bobbie
--- "A. Yates" <hooperck@...> wrote:
> Oh gosh, I'm afflicted with this too! ;)__________________________________________________
> I compose poetry and books while I lie there too!
> But but the time I get up
> I can't remember any of them...Darn!
> Ann
>
> tonitoni@... wrote:
>
> > > l.Yes, I am a chronic thinker. It's a disease.
> > > g'night.
> >
> > Oh me too! I lay awake at night *thinking* -
> thinking of what i have
> > done and what i should have done and how much
> money i owe how in the
> > world i am going to manage untill the end of the
> month - while my dh
> > sleeps sweetly!!!
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In a message dated 3/30/01 9:59:37 AM, adonai@... writes:
<< Even if someone reports abuse or neglect, if they come to your
door and you say that you are homeschooling, they can't bother
you. >>
No, homeschooling is not proof against charges of sexual abuse or physical
abuse in ANY state or anywhere.
Educational neglect, perhaps.
There are things outside the educational purview which are within the purview
of social workers. If I know of a homeschooler who is whipping up on a child
or (heaven forbid) a homeschooling family in which a child is being sexually
molested, that is not something they can say "We Homeschool" and send
government officials away from the door about.
Sandra
<< Even if someone reports abuse or neglect, if they come to your
door and you say that you are homeschooling, they can't bother
you. >>
No, homeschooling is not proof against charges of sexual abuse or physical
abuse in ANY state or anywhere.
Educational neglect, perhaps.
There are things outside the educational purview which are within the purview
of social workers. If I know of a homeschooler who is whipping up on a child
or (heaven forbid) a homeschooling family in which a child is being sexually
molested, that is not something they can say "We Homeschool" and send
government officials away from the door about.
Sandra
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In a message dated 3/30/01 5:30:36 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
bvanbrunt4@... writes:
<< For instance, NH requires a written
notification letter and curriculum at the beginning of the "school" year and
some sort of testing or evaluation at the end. I haven't yet figured how to
make the work with unschooling, since I have a few years >>
B.--I am in NH too. I also have some time before I need to write my first
"letter of intent". I have the same concerns. How do you write a letter of
intent as an unschooler? Where do you find an evaluator that understands
unschooling. For instance, what if my child is not reading by the time that
is "normally expected". Will this cause a problem in NH? If you find any good
resources on this type of info--please let me know! Thanks, Merri
bvanbrunt4@... writes:
<< For instance, NH requires a written
notification letter and curriculum at the beginning of the "school" year and
some sort of testing or evaluation at the end. I haven't yet figured how to
make the work with unschooling, since I have a few years >>
B.--I am in NH too. I also have some time before I need to write my first
"letter of intent". I have the same concerns. How do you write a letter of
intent as an unschooler? Where do you find an evaluator that understands
unschooling. For instance, what if my child is not reading by the time that
is "normally expected". Will this cause a problem in NH? If you find any good
resources on this type of info--please let me know! Thanks, Merri
A. Yates
See! This is definitely a "Mommy" thing!! I have never ever heard a Dad say
anything like this... This must mean something!!
Ann
Bobbie wrote:
anything like this... This must mean something!!
Ann
Bobbie wrote:
> Oh me too....novels upon novels worth...too bad I'm
> not tired enough to fall asleep, but too tired to get
> up and get a pen, let alone write any of it down! Then
> in my awake hours (during the day) I try and try to
> remember but it all escapes me except the worrying
> stuff that I ignore until I have time for it, which,
> as fate would have it, is when I lay down for sleep.
> Ah well. My karma is a screwed up thing right now, I
> think. :)
> -Bobbie
>
> --- "A. Yates" <hooperck@...> wrote:
> > Oh gosh, I'm afflicted with this too! ;)
> > I compose poetry and books while I lie there too!
> > But but the time I get up
> > I can't remember any of them...Darn!
> > Ann
> >
> > tonitoni@... wrote:
> >
> > > > l.Yes, I am a chronic thinker. It's a disease.
> > > > g'night.
> > >
> > > Oh me too! I lay awake at night *thinking* -
> > thinking of what i have
> > > done and what i should have done and how much
> > money i owe how in the
> > > world i am going to manage untill the end of the
> > month - while my dh
> > > sleeps sweetly!!!
> > > marianne
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Johanna
I can personally second the nosy neighbor part. We
actually had to fight DSS and go to court to prove we were fit parents and were
meeting their needs. In our case, they actually took the kids first and asked
questions later.They rensacked our house looking for "evidence of neglect or
other illegal activity".We weren't even allowed to see our children until the
court case was heard. It took us a week of fighting before we got them back! All
because a nosy neighbor called the police when my daughter was babysitting and
they couldn't contact us immediately. We were driving at the time. End note was
the judge threw it out of court, saying the charges were unfounded but it was a
terrifying experience! we have since moved away from that neighborhood and that
state. If you follow the law you have a defense, but if you disobey the law,
realize you do it at your own risk, and most "insurance" would say that violated
their policy.
----- Original Message -----From: SandraDodd@...Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:05 AMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] from bookwork to no work?
<< Around here, if you say you are
homeschooling, neither social workers nor truant officers can come
knocking at your door because if you are homeschooling, they
have to stay out of your business. >>
Social workers CAN come no matter what you're registered to do if someone
reports abuse or neglect. For families whose relatives and neighbors aren't
hostile, whose kids are smiley and peaceable, who have no ex-spouses with
custody issues, homeschooling is just about totally safe, registered or
unregistered. But one crazy relative or one neighbor who really hoped paying
school taxes would mean total silence for six hours a day could cause you
trouble.
And legal insurance won't do you any good if when you go for help they say
"You knowingly broke the law? Intentionally?"
But on the other hand, few states' homeschooling laws are criminal kinds of
things where they will really do much to you except to say "You're not
registered, you need to register.
In New Mexico it can build all the way up to a $50 fine if you ignore them
twice (and if they've followed their own too-strict little guidelines).
The laws here make it harder for the state or district to figure out how to
deal with unregistered homeschoolers than it is to homeschool.
Sandra Dodd
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mary krzyzanowski
Hi Renee,
Where in NY are you? I have an 8yog and have never been told she needs to
take any kind of test. You may want to check into that. My 10yog will be
taking the IOWA test since she's a "5th grader".
I'm near Canandaigua.
Mary-NY
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Where in NY are you? I have an 8yog and have never been told she needs to
take any kind of test. You may want to check into that. My 10yog will be
taking the IOWA test since she's a "5th grader".
I'm near Canandaigua.
Mary-NY
>From: willie13339@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] from bookwork to no work?
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:32:30 -0000
>
>Hi everyone,my name is Renee and I homeschool my 8 yob. I would like
>to be an unschooler. I think he would get much more out of
>learning.Right now we are just banging heads with school books. I
>live in upstate NY and he has to take the Metropol. Test in May, we
>are craming so to speak.I do not want to register him next year, I
>want to go our own way. Is that legal? I hate being on a time
>schedule with the school district.I hate the school district. I know
>that sounds radical,I dont mean it that way.How do i procede? Someone
>PLEASE help. Thanks, Renee
>
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>My 10yog will be*How 'bout, "She's so smart, she skipped 5th grade." hehe.
> taking the IOWA test since she's a "5th grader".
Melanie in Indiana
Tracy Oldfield
Hi Renee!
I wouldn't worry about being radical on this list!
I found the laws for NY at Unschooling.com
http://www.unschooling.com/resources/states/newyork.shtm
l.
They really do sound like a pain! You have to work on their schedule, submit
a plan, take tests. They even specify exactly what
"needs" to be studied in
each grade! If by not registering with the school
district you mean not
submitting a "declaration of intent to utilize a
homestudy program", then
yes that is illegal. However, there are homeschooling families who do that
and you probably could and get away with it but..... If you think they would
notice or if the idea just strikes fear into your heart you might like to
look into Clonlara School's Home-based Education
Program (www.clonlara.org).
Clonlara's a nationally accredited private campus
school and if you register
with them you are officially considered a private
school student by The
System,and Clonlara takes care of everything. And they
don't force a
particular curriculum or even a structured school like
system on you. You do
your thing, Clonlara gives credit for it. There's a
$550 dollar tuition, but
if you have no alternatives or like the support it's
well worth it and, hey,
it's cheaper than private school!
I can't think of another way you could do it within the law, because it's
awfully strict, but I'm sure the others have some good
ideas.
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
Erin Mills
www.goddessmoon.org have an 'umbrella school' set up, I don't know if they're 'authorised' (or whatever the
correct term is) by NY. I think they're free, too,
though a donation would be nice :-)
HTH someone!
Tracy
I wouldn't worry about being radical on this list!
I found the laws for NY at Unschooling.com
http://www.unschooling.com/resources/states/newyork.shtm
l.
They really do sound like a pain! You have to work on their schedule, submit
a plan, take tests. They even specify exactly what
"needs" to be studied in
each grade! If by not registering with the school
district you mean not
submitting a "declaration of intent to utilize a
homestudy program", then
yes that is illegal. However, there are homeschooling families who do that
and you probably could and get away with it but..... If you think they would
notice or if the idea just strikes fear into your heart you might like to
look into Clonlara School's Home-based Education
Program (www.clonlara.org).
Clonlara's a nationally accredited private campus
school and if you register
with them you are officially considered a private
school student by The
System,and Clonlara takes care of everything. And they
don't force a
particular curriculum or even a structured school like
system on you. You do
your thing, Clonlara gives credit for it. There's a
$550 dollar tuition, but
if you have no alternatives or like the support it's
well worth it and, hey,
it's cheaper than private school!
I can't think of another way you could do it within the law, because it's
awfully strict, but I'm sure the others have some good
ideas.
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
Erin Mills
www.goddessmoon.org have an 'umbrella school' set up, I don't know if they're 'authorised' (or whatever the
correct term is) by NY. I think they're free, too,
though a donation would be nice :-)
HTH someone!
Tracy
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There are a couple of *great* helpful NY unschoolers who post regularly at
unschooling.com. They have talked about exactly what they submit, etc. Try
the unschooling.com message boards.
HTH
:-) Diane
unschooling.com. They have talked about exactly what they submit, etc. Try
the unschooling.com message boards.
HTH
:-) Diane
> Hi Renee!
>
> I wouldn't worry about being radical on this list!
> I found the laws for NY at Unschooling.com
>
> http://www.unschooling.com/resources/states/newyork.shtml.
renee caggiano
mary krzyzanowski <meembeam@...> wrote:
Hi Renee,
Where in NY are you? I have an 8yog and have never been told she needs to
take any kind of test. You may want to check into that. My 10yog will be
taking the IOWA test since she's a "5th grader".
I'm near Canandaigua.
Mary-NY
>From: willie13339@...
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] from bookwork to no work?
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:32:30 -0000
>
>Hi everyone,my name is Renee and I homeschool my 8 yob. I would like
>to be an unschooler. I think he would get much more out of
>learning.Right now we are just banging heads with school books. I
>live in upstate NY and he has to take the Metropol. Test in May, we
>are craming so to speak.I do not want to register him next year, I
>want to go our own way. Is that legal? I hate being on a time
>schedule with the school district.I hate the school district. I know
>that sounds radical,I dont mean it that way.How do i procede? Someone
>PLEASE help. Thanks, Renee
>
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