Collette Mattingly

Well Bonnie, you can't beat your gut feeling.  I would confront him.  And whoever said the thing about Lack of Faith, I love it!- Collette
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Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 8:18 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] christain groups vs non-denominational group

If I hit reply my responses usually come through as <yp>.  So I have copied and pasted here.  Dose anyone know how I could correct this.  It is really a pain when trying to respond and keep the subject title and understanding of the conversation going.  Bonnie
 
***Bonnie, what does this spy do on your list? Does he participate, argue, put-down, encourage, or just lurk? Maybe he's just curious about how "the other half" lives? Maybe he's going back to his own group and telling them all how you're going to hell because you don't use Bob Jones or Abaca? Hard to say, unless he shows himself. We had something similar happen on another list. Someone who didn't really fit in but wanted to be included for some reason. We ended up having a heated debate and he and someone else left. We were only sorry to see the other person leave, but couldn't persuade her to stay. I would leave him alone unless he causes trouble. Then tell him honestly that he isn't welcome. Maybe you could mention the Statement of Lack of Faith everyone has to sign to be included? :)
 
Valerie in Tacoma


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If I hit reply my responses usually come through as <yp>.  So I have copied and pasted here.  Dose anyone know how I could correct this.  It is really a pain when trying to respond and keep the subject title and understanding of the conversation going.  Bonnie
 
***Bonnie, what does this spy do on your list? Does he participate, argue, put-down, encourage, or just lurk? Maybe he's just curious about how "the other half" lives? Maybe he's going back to his own group and telling them all how you're going to hell because you don't use Bob Jones or Abaca? Hard to say, unless he shows himself. We had something similar happen on another list. Someone who didn't really fit in but wanted to be included for some reason. We ended up having a heated debate and he and someone else left. We were only sorry to see the other person leave, but couldn't persuade her to stay. I would leave him alone unless he causes trouble. Then tell him honestly that he isn't welcome. Maybe you could mention the Statement of Lack of Faith everyone has to sign to be included? :)
 
Valerie in Tacoma

Mostly he is lurking.  When he was asked his purpose he said he was just lurking until someone called him out.  He also mentioned that being in one group for so long gave him tunnel vision.  So it was good to see other sides.  We think he might be writing a book and looking for more information.  he does write articles for themstream.
 
Bonnie,
What specifically are your concerns with him being on your list?  Are you afraid he'll turn your group in for some violations or that somehow he's spying on you? - Collette
 
Collette,
In all honesty several us don't trust him.  And yes we feel that's what he might do.  More than one of us has a gut feeling that it is wrong.  But really unable to logically explain it.
 
 
Bpaglial@...
the great thing to learn about life is, first,
to not do what you don't want to do, and,
second, to do what you want to do.
--Margaret Anderson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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In a message dated 03/29/2001 1:15:08 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
bpaglial@... writes:


Collette,
In all honesty several us don't trust him.  And yes we feel that's what he
might do.  More than one of us has a gut feeling that it is wrong.  But
really unable to logically explain it.




Well, we could all sub to your list and out him!  What could he do to me?  
Take away my birthday??  (Old saying -- hey, I'm old.)

Nance

Valerie Stewart

Mostly he is lurking.  When he was asked his purpose he said he was just lurking until someone called him out.  He also mentioned that being in one group for so long gave him tunnel vision.  So it was good to see other sides.  We think he might be writing a book and looking for more information.  he does write articles for themstream.
In all honesty several us don't trust him.  And yes we feel that's what he might do.  More than one of us has a gut feeling that it is wrong.  But really unable to logically explain it. 
 
***Bonnie, Whenever I do not go with my gut instinct, I'm sorry. The last time was when I ignored a little voice warning me about the Ash Wednesday earthquake. (stupid, stupid...) Perhaps it's time for those of you who are wary to "call him out"? And what violations could he turn you in for?
 
Valerie in Tacoma

Bethany V.B.

Hello,
I just joined the list and have been enjoying listening in for the last
couple of days. I am generally a lurker in these types of groups, but you
have drawn me out of hiding.

First, let me introduce myself. I live in NH with my husband and two small
children (ds 2 � and dd 1). We decided on homeschooling before our daughter
was born, but I never liked the idea of school-at-home (why not just send
them to school if you're going to use the same flawed educational
techniques?). Then I read some John Holt and quickly got converted to
unschooling.

What drew me in to the conversation at this point is the debate over
Christian vs. inclusive groups. As my kids are so young, I haven't yet
started looking into the groups that may be available here, so I can't tell
you to which type of group I belong. But I will say this, even though I am a
Christian and could in all good conscience sign a statement of faith and
join such a group, I probably would not. Christianity by its very nature
should be inclusive and these types of groups sometimes give Christians a
bad name. I don't mean to insult anyone who belongs to such a group, I'm
sure they offer great support. But I did not choose to keep my kids out of
school in order to keep them isolated from the greater world, but to immerse
them in it. Part of that is meeting people who do not share our beliefs and
learning from them. So, while I assume you were in jest, please do not
include a statement of lack of faith in your group, because then where would
I go?

I'm sure if I've made much sense, or clearly said what I meant, but please
bear with me, I'm not used to actually posting. And, I'm sorry to make me
first post such a long one � I'll try not be so long-winded in the future.

-B.

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Valerie Stewart

But I will say this, even though I am a
Christian and could in all good conscience sign a statement of faith and
join such a group, I probably would not. I did not choose to keep my kids
out of
school in order to keep them isolated from the greater world, but to immerse
them in it. Part of that is meeting people who do not share our beliefs and
learning from them. So, while I assume you were in jest, please do not
include a statement of lack of faith in your group, because then where would
I go?

***Bethany, you're right. I was kidding about the Lack of Faith Statement.
I'm right there with you...I am a Christian, but I could never join a
Christian-only homeschooling group for the very reasons you stated.

Valerie in Tacoma

Johanna

I belive the Lack of Faith statement was made in jest, like giving him a
taste of what they did to her. My experince in this group is people are
willing to hear others point of view and sometimes debate them, we are
entitled to be ourselves. Anyone agree?
Johanna

----- Original Message -----
From: Bethany V.B. <bvanbrunt4@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] christain groups vs non-denominational
group


> Hello,
> I just joined the list and have been enjoying listening in for the last
> couple of days. I am generally a lurker in these types of groups, but you
> have drawn me out of hiding.
>
> First, let me introduce myself. I live in NH with my husband and two small
> children (ds 2 ½ and dd 1). We decided on homeschooling before our
daughter
> was born, but I never liked the idea of school-at-home (why not just send
> them to school if you're going to use the same flawed educational
> techniques?). Then I read some John Holt and quickly got converted to
> unschooling.
>
> What drew me in to the conversation at this point is the debate over
> Christian vs. inclusive groups. As my kids are so young, I haven't yet
> started looking into the groups that may be available here, so I can't
tell
> you to which type of group I belong. But I will say this, even though I am
a
> Christian and could in all good conscience sign a statement of faith and
> join such a group, I probably would not. Christianity by its very nature
> should be inclusive and these types of groups sometimes give Christians a
> bad name. I don't mean to insult anyone who belongs to such a group, I'm
> sure they offer great support. But I did not choose to keep my kids out of
> school in order to keep them isolated from the greater world, but to
immerse
> them in it. Part of that is meeting people who do not share our beliefs
and
> learning from them. So, while I assume you were in jest, please do not
> include a statement of lack of faith in your group, because then where
would
> I go?
>
> I'm sure if I've made much sense, or clearly said what I meant, but please
> bear with me, I'm not used to actually posting. And, I'm sorry to make me
> first post such a long one - I'll try not be so long-winded in the future.
>
> -B.
>
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In a message dated 3/29/01 9:54:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, vlos@...
writes:

<< ***Bethany, you're right. I was kidding about the Lack of Faith Statement.
I'm right there with you...I am a Christian, but I could never join a
Christian-only homeschooling group for the very reasons you stated.

Valerie in Tacoma >>

I couldn't agree more! Something about signing a "statement of faith" just
seems creepy. It makes me think of scary events like inquisitions. So far,
without exception, it seems that these groups exclude and if they don't see
that as fundamentally wrong I don't want to participate.

Kris

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Hi, maybe you could just start another elist under a different name. Only
tell those you want in it about it. And make it for members only. He will get
tired of a list that has seemingly died. An alternative idea for people like
me who are not great at confrontation.
Candy

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In a message dated 3/29/2001 2:59:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
louisaem@... writes:

<< I couldn't agree more! Something about signing a "statement of faith"
just
seems creepy. It makes me think of scary events like inquisitions. So far,
without exception, it seems that these groups exclude and if they don't see
that as fundamentally wrong I don't want to participate >>

There is only one homeschool group here and they require the signing of a
statement of Faith. This sits wrong with me. I am Christian but I see no
reason why homeschoolers of other religions or no religion cannot join us in
coop classes and pe. We enjoy meeting and being with all types of people.
Matter of fact a friend of mine is Catholic and she said that the priest at
her church told her to not sign it. Why would a Christian group make a
statement of Faith that a Catholic cannot sign? I do not like it and so we
have no homeschool group.
Candy

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Just jumping in on this thread.....There is a homeschool group here that my
sil belongs too. I went with her once and was very excited to join it until
she showed me the Statement of Faith. I can't remember it exactly, I just
remember that it said something about not being open to homosexuals or
unmarried families (this did not include divorced single parents) I was
actually shocked that a Christian group would put this in writing. Sometimes
I am tempted to go back and sign it just so that my kids can be part of the
coop, but then, what would that say about me? I would be so ashamed if
anyone ever found out that I signed something like that. So, we are not part
of this group. And, I really have not put any effort into finding any
others.
April