Re: More on Guns - aliens can't have guns!?
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In a message dated 2/11/01 8:21:41 AM, pagan@... writes:
<< We're moving the States soon and the gun thing has worried me slightly.
Do Americans habitually carry them around or kepp them locked up?
I might learn to shoot (I do archery already) but wont be allowed to
keep one as an alien.
As a matter of interest, do all american's 'hunt' ie. Go out and shoot
food or non-food animals? Why?
These are state laws, so it totally depends where you move. Do you know
where you'll be?
Americans as a class of people do NOT habitually carry guns around, nor hunt.
There are some people who hunt a couple of three times a year and that's
considered "being a hunter," because many hunts are by lottery and only some
certain number get to go, and a hunting license will only allow for one deer
per season. Even hunting once in two or three years can be "being a hunter"
but for someone who's only been a time or two, that's "I've hunted."
So "being" is pretty sparse activity anymore.
I have friends in Wyoming (a husband and wife, 50ish) who hunt LOTS, with bow
for sport and with guns for food. Every year they put on a feast and invite
their friends. My husband has been. They're also cooks. So they kill and
cook it themselves. I have friends here in Albuquerque who hunt at least
once a year, and for them it's a guys-out weekend. (My parents used to go
together, mostly, like the Wyoming couple.)
People do initial cleaning out where they're hunting. The animal is gutted.
There are certain things that have to be removed immediately so the meat
doesn't go bad. Someone else will have to tell that. The liver is sometimes
cooked right then and there. If it's someone's first kill, there are
traditions concerning blood and liver which will never affect me personally.
Then, generally, the animal is taken to a butcher, packaged up and picked up
all marked in white paper packages. Sometimes the butcher works in exchange
for a portion of the meat.
As to carrying guns or locking them up, it depends on the person and the
state. Some states don't allow guns to be tranported except in certain
circumstances (locked in the trunk of a car AND in the presence of a hunting
license or membership card for a shooting club--that kind of combination).
Some allow them, but not concealed. So they need to be in a gun rack or in a
holster case visible to police if they pull you over (there are mountings for
holsters on the dashes or pickup trucks, and this is often pickup truck
related---my dad had a gun rack in the back window of his truck, always).
Some people keep a gun locked in the glove compartment, or in the compartment
under the passenger seat in a minivan. In some states that's what you HAVE
to do to have one. In other states, that's what you CAN'T do.
In New Mexico people can carry guns, but not into hospitals, bars, or polling
places. So they need to lock them in the truck in such cases.
I have a friend who's a city cop here and when visiting a house in which the
people don't know him, in Colorado, he made a speech just inside the door
which was, "Ma'am, I have a handgun on my person. If this makes you
uncomfortable, I'll lock it in the car" or something very similar. She was
really impressed with him. He's an Eagle Scout, totally sweet guy.
In the 1940's and 50's it was common (out here) for kids to go out and shoot
non-food animals. Squirrels, snakes, birds, rabbits. Some families didn't
like it and would say "If you kill it, you have to eat it." Some families
considered it useful in that it desensitized the kids to killing animals
(when the parents were from a ranching/farming tradition in which kids cannot
be considering cows and chickens and pigs as "cute" or pets), and because it
taught them to use guns so they could be hunters or marksmen. Many of those
dads had just returned from WWII and were afraid of further danger and really
did want their kids to be prepared to defend.
In an urban situation, that mentality is different than it is when a family
lives in a house on 20 or 2,000 or 200,000 acres of land and that land isn't
shared with others. The mentality of people in the western states, who are
ranchers in the Rocky Mountains, or who live in the desert with rattle snakes
is TOTALLY different from Boston, or New York, places where it is crowded now
and has been crowded for hundreds of years.
Sandra
<< We're moving the States soon and the gun thing has worried me slightly.
Do Americans habitually carry them around or kepp them locked up?
I might learn to shoot (I do archery already) but wont be allowed to
keep one as an alien.
As a matter of interest, do all american's 'hunt' ie. Go out and shoot
food or non-food animals? Why?
>>Oh, I missed the EASY questions.
These are state laws, so it totally depends where you move. Do you know
where you'll be?
Americans as a class of people do NOT habitually carry guns around, nor hunt.
There are some people who hunt a couple of three times a year and that's
considered "being a hunter," because many hunts are by lottery and only some
certain number get to go, and a hunting license will only allow for one deer
per season. Even hunting once in two or three years can be "being a hunter"
but for someone who's only been a time or two, that's "I've hunted."
So "being" is pretty sparse activity anymore.
I have friends in Wyoming (a husband and wife, 50ish) who hunt LOTS, with bow
for sport and with guns for food. Every year they put on a feast and invite
their friends. My husband has been. They're also cooks. So they kill and
cook it themselves. I have friends here in Albuquerque who hunt at least
once a year, and for them it's a guys-out weekend. (My parents used to go
together, mostly, like the Wyoming couple.)
People do initial cleaning out where they're hunting. The animal is gutted.
There are certain things that have to be removed immediately so the meat
doesn't go bad. Someone else will have to tell that. The liver is sometimes
cooked right then and there. If it's someone's first kill, there are
traditions concerning blood and liver which will never affect me personally.
Then, generally, the animal is taken to a butcher, packaged up and picked up
all marked in white paper packages. Sometimes the butcher works in exchange
for a portion of the meat.
As to carrying guns or locking them up, it depends on the person and the
state. Some states don't allow guns to be tranported except in certain
circumstances (locked in the trunk of a car AND in the presence of a hunting
license or membership card for a shooting club--that kind of combination).
Some allow them, but not concealed. So they need to be in a gun rack or in a
holster case visible to police if they pull you over (there are mountings for
holsters on the dashes or pickup trucks, and this is often pickup truck
related---my dad had a gun rack in the back window of his truck, always).
Some people keep a gun locked in the glove compartment, or in the compartment
under the passenger seat in a minivan. In some states that's what you HAVE
to do to have one. In other states, that's what you CAN'T do.
In New Mexico people can carry guns, but not into hospitals, bars, or polling
places. So they need to lock them in the truck in such cases.
I have a friend who's a city cop here and when visiting a house in which the
people don't know him, in Colorado, he made a speech just inside the door
which was, "Ma'am, I have a handgun on my person. If this makes you
uncomfortable, I'll lock it in the car" or something very similar. She was
really impressed with him. He's an Eagle Scout, totally sweet guy.
In the 1940's and 50's it was common (out here) for kids to go out and shoot
non-food animals. Squirrels, snakes, birds, rabbits. Some families didn't
like it and would say "If you kill it, you have to eat it." Some families
considered it useful in that it desensitized the kids to killing animals
(when the parents were from a ranching/farming tradition in which kids cannot
be considering cows and chickens and pigs as "cute" or pets), and because it
taught them to use guns so they could be hunters or marksmen. Many of those
dads had just returned from WWII and were afraid of further danger and really
did want their kids to be prepared to defend.
In an urban situation, that mentality is different than it is when a family
lives in a house on 20 or 2,000 or 200,000 acres of land and that land isn't
shared with others. The mentality of people in the western states, who are
ranchers in the Rocky Mountains, or who live in the desert with rattle snakes
is TOTALLY different from Boston, or New York, places where it is crowded now
and has been crowded for hundreds of years.
Sandra
pagan.screaming.net
SandraDodd@... wrote:
Virginia. Thanks for the info. Explained it all very clearly. It's going to be weird living in a country where if you drive a little way, all the laws could change. In the UK, the law covers the whole country which is why Home education here is a doddle compared to waht I've been reading about different state laws.
In a message dated 2/11/01 8:21:41 AM, pagan@... writes:<< We're moving the States soon and the gun thing has worried me slightly.
Do Americans habitually carry them around or kepp them locked up?
I might learn to shoot (I do archery already) but wont be allowed to
keep one as an alien.
As a matter of interest, do all american's 'hunt' ie. Go out and shoot
food or non-food animals? Why?
>>Oh, I missed the EASY questions.
These are state laws, so it totally depends where you move. Do you know
where you'll be?
I guess I'll be keeping my mouth shut on the hunting thing as that's a personal no-no for me (being vegetarian).
As for unschooling, I follow the autonomous path with nothing resembling 'school'. I hear that it is much trickier in VA but I guess that as a foreigner, the state education dept (unless they're super-efficient) wont find me anyhow so I wont get bothered.
Now the VA vaccination laws might cause a few problems but if life gets too stressful, I'll just leave :)
Thanks again for the info re guns and hunters.Shyrley