vaccine info
Valerie Stewart
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
http://www.gval.com/
http://thinktwice.com/global.htm
http://www.access1.net/via/
http://www.909shot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/Vaccines.htm
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2009/
http://www.whale.to/
http://www.mindspring.com/~schlafly/vac/vaccfaq.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/Michaelwoodsyee/index.html
http://www6.bcity.com/harpub/
http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/pathology/vaccine.htm
Here's some I just received from another list. Hope they're helpful. You
could sub to "Herbal Mothering" here at yahoo, also. That's where I got it.
As for refusing the shots in the hospital, at least around here, if you so
much as refuse the vitamin K shot, you are automatically reported to CPS as
a "red flag". Is it too late to consider homebirth? :)
Valerie in Tacoma
http://www.gval.com/
http://thinktwice.com/global.htm
http://www.access1.net/via/
http://www.909shot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/Vaccines.htm
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2009/
http://www.whale.to/
http://www.mindspring.com/~schlafly/vac/vaccfaq.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/Michaelwoodsyee/index.html
http://www6.bcity.com/harpub/
http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/pathology/vaccine.htm
Here's some I just received from another list. Hope they're helpful. You
could sub to "Herbal Mothering" here at yahoo, also. That's where I got it.
As for refusing the shots in the hospital, at least around here, if you so
much as refuse the vitamin K shot, you are automatically reported to CPS as
a "red flag". Is it too late to consider homebirth? :)
Valerie in Tacoma
Lynda
Also, some areas have birthing centers which aren't quite hospitals and
midwives are in charge which makes for a whole other atmosphere AND set of
rules.
Lynda
midwives are in charge which makes for a whole other atmosphere AND set of
rules.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@...>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 5:02 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] vaccine info
> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
> http://www.gval.com/
> http://thinktwice.com/global.htm
> http://www.access1.net/via/
> http://www.909shot.com/
> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/Vaccines.htm
> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2009/
> http://www.whale.to/
> http://www.mindspring.com/~schlafly/vac/vaccfaq.htm
> http://www.angelfire.com/oh/Michaelwoodsyee/index.html
> http://www6.bcity.com/harpub/
> http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/pathology/vaccine.htm
>
> Here's some I just received from another list. Hope they're helpful. You
> could sub to "Herbal Mothering" here at yahoo, also. That's where I got
it.
>
> As for refusing the shots in the hospital, at least around here, if you so
> much as refuse the vitamin K shot, you are automatically reported to CPS
as
> a "red flag". Is it too late to consider homebirth? :)
>
> Valerie in Tacoma
>
>
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Tracy Oldfield
UGH!
Another case of the risk of the problem nothing
compared to the risk/stress of the injection! Heel-
prick tests are bad enough, no way my baby's getting
anything else stuck in 'em... don't know how accurate
this is, heard this at ante-natal classes with dd2, but
apparently vernix is loaded with vit K, so if it's just
left on to soak in, and not washed off, then the baby
gets a lovely big dose, as well as breastmilk
containing enough of the stuff (naturally, as one might
expect.)
Tracy
Here's some I just received from another list. Hope
they're helpful. You
could sub to "Herbal Mothering" here at yahoo, also.
That's where I got it.
As for refusing the shots in the hospital, at least
around here, if you so
much as refuse the vitamin K shot, you are
automatically reported to CPS as
a "red flag". Is it too late to consider homebirth? :)
Valerie in Tacoma
Another case of the risk of the problem nothing
compared to the risk/stress of the injection! Heel-
prick tests are bad enough, no way my baby's getting
anything else stuck in 'em... don't know how accurate
this is, heard this at ante-natal classes with dd2, but
apparently vernix is loaded with vit K, so if it's just
left on to soak in, and not washed off, then the baby
gets a lovely big dose, as well as breastmilk
containing enough of the stuff (naturally, as one might
expect.)
Tracy
Here's some I just received from another list. Hope
they're helpful. You
could sub to "Herbal Mothering" here at yahoo, also.
That's where I got it.
As for refusing the shots in the hospital, at least
around here, if you so
much as refuse the vitamin K shot, you are
automatically reported to CPS as
a "red flag". Is it too late to consider homebirth? :)
Valerie in Tacoma
[email protected]
Valerie,
Thank you for taking the time to list all of these sites. My head is
spinning doing all of this research! Yesterday, I was at my OB's and
just had to open the can of worms slightly to see what he was going
to say. I asked if I was Hepatitis B positive (I knew I wasn't) and
then asked if I am correct in thinking that my newborn can't contract
this disease unless he becomes a person in the high risk catagory.
He confirmed that the baby has no chance of getting this disease NOW,
but did go on to say that the vaccination will provide immunity for
life against the disease and that when my child is 20 and possibly
sexual active, we know he won't get it. I dropped it there and left
thinking, "Do I want to inject my baby with the HIB shot now to
prevent the possibility of something that could happen in 20 years
from now?" BIG question! Does the risk factor of adverse reaction
at birth outweigh the risk factor in 20 years?
Also, my husband has autoimmune deficiencies such as Ankylosing
Spondylitis and Crohn's disease and I am reading that my children
fall into the catagory of possibly being medically exempt from
vaccination because of genetics. When my husband was very, very sick
with these diseases he had often wondered if some environmental
factor had triggered these. My research is pointing to the
possibility of this vaccination triggering it. I am trying to take
this one step at a time, starting with the vaccination given at the
hospital.
BTW, no, homebirth is not an option since I have scheduled C-Sections
(please, this is not a subject I'm opening up for negative comments)
and I have personally wondered, if I didn't have c-sections, would I
consider homebirth. I don't know.
I am happy to read all of the experiences and decisions all of you
have made regarding vaccinations, it is very helpful & thank you...
Thank you for taking the time to list all of these sites. My head is
spinning doing all of this research! Yesterday, I was at my OB's and
just had to open the can of worms slightly to see what he was going
to say. I asked if I was Hepatitis B positive (I knew I wasn't) and
then asked if I am correct in thinking that my newborn can't contract
this disease unless he becomes a person in the high risk catagory.
He confirmed that the baby has no chance of getting this disease NOW,
but did go on to say that the vaccination will provide immunity for
life against the disease and that when my child is 20 and possibly
sexual active, we know he won't get it. I dropped it there and left
thinking, "Do I want to inject my baby with the HIB shot now to
prevent the possibility of something that could happen in 20 years
from now?" BIG question! Does the risk factor of adverse reaction
at birth outweigh the risk factor in 20 years?
Also, my husband has autoimmune deficiencies such as Ankylosing
Spondylitis and Crohn's disease and I am reading that my children
fall into the catagory of possibly being medically exempt from
vaccination because of genetics. When my husband was very, very sick
with these diseases he had often wondered if some environmental
factor had triggered these. My research is pointing to the
possibility of this vaccination triggering it. I am trying to take
this one step at a time, starting with the vaccination given at the
hospital.
BTW, no, homebirth is not an option since I have scheduled C-Sections
(please, this is not a subject I'm opening up for negative comments)
and I have personally wondered, if I didn't have c-sections, would I
consider homebirth. I don't know.
I am happy to read all of the experiences and decisions all of you
have made regarding vaccinations, it is very helpful & thank you...
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@o...> wrote:
> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
> http://www.gval.com/
> http://thinktwice.com/global.htm
> http://www.access1.net/via/
> http://www.909shot.com/
> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/Vaccines.htm
> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2009/
> http://www.whale.to/
> http://www.mindspring.com/~schlafly/vac/vaccfaq.htm
> http://www.angelfire.com/oh/Michaelwoodsyee/index.html
> http://www6.bcity.com/harpub/
> http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/pathology/vaccine.htm
>
> Here's some I just received from another list. Hope they're
helpful. You
> could sub to "Herbal Mothering" here at yahoo, also. That's where I
got it.
>
> As for refusing the shots in the hospital, at least around here, if
you so
> much as refuse the vitamin K shot, you are automatically reported
to CPS as
> a "red flag". Is it too late to consider homebirth? :)
>
> Valerie in Tacoma
Valerie Stewart
Valerie,
Thank you for taking the time to list all of these sites.
**No problem...I was passing it along from another list.
My head is spinning doing all of this research! Yesterday, I was at my OB's
and
just had to open the can of worms slightly to see what he was going
to say. I asked if I was Hepatitis B positive (I knew I wasn't) and
then asked if I am correct in thinking that my newborn can't contract
this disease unless he becomes a person in the high risk catagory.
He confirmed that the baby has no chance of getting this disease NOW,
but did go on to say that the vaccination will provide immunity for
life against the disease and that when my child is 20 and possibly
sexual active, we know he won't get it. I dropped it there and left
thinking, "Do I want to inject my baby with the HIB shot now to
prevent the possibility of something that could happen in 20 years
from now?" BIG question! Does the risk factor of adverse reaction
at birth outweigh the risk factor in 20 years?
**From what I've read, in college students who were vaccinated for this (hep
b) it worked only half of the time anyway. This vaccine really seems to be
one of those where the risks from the shot itself is worse than the
"protection" it's supposed to give. I'm going to let my kids decide this
for themselves.
Good luck with your new babe...when are you due?
Valerie in Tacoma
Thank you for taking the time to list all of these sites.
**No problem...I was passing it along from another list.
My head is spinning doing all of this research! Yesterday, I was at my OB's
and
just had to open the can of worms slightly to see what he was going
to say. I asked if I was Hepatitis B positive (I knew I wasn't) and
then asked if I am correct in thinking that my newborn can't contract
this disease unless he becomes a person in the high risk catagory.
He confirmed that the baby has no chance of getting this disease NOW,
but did go on to say that the vaccination will provide immunity for
life against the disease and that when my child is 20 and possibly
sexual active, we know he won't get it. I dropped it there and left
thinking, "Do I want to inject my baby with the HIB shot now to
prevent the possibility of something that could happen in 20 years
from now?" BIG question! Does the risk factor of adverse reaction
at birth outweigh the risk factor in 20 years?
**From what I've read, in college students who were vaccinated for this (hep
b) it worked only half of the time anyway. This vaccine really seems to be
one of those where the risks from the shot itself is worse than the
"protection" it's supposed to give. I'm going to let my kids decide this
for themselves.
Good luck with your new babe...when are you due?
Valerie in Tacoma
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/9/01 11:36:54 AM, cmas100@... writes:
<< but did go on to say that the vaccination will provide immunity for
life >>
I'd be curious what his proof of THAT was <g>.
"For life..." These guys...
<< but did go on to say that the vaccination will provide immunity for
life >>
I'd be curious what his proof of THAT was <g>.
"For life..." These guys...
[email protected]
On my list of questions re:immunizations is to find out exactly who
the people that have the diseases are. I'm not quite that far yet.
What I am really concerned about is, if I choose not to vaccinate
with the HIB, what kind of harrassment am I going to get? I'd love
to say that our current pediatrician would be open to discussion on
this, but I know she wouldn't be. How sad...
The baby is scheduled for March 16th so I feel very pressured (by
myself and the hospital) into making an informed decision. And
personally, this subject has not been met with an open-mind by my
husband. I've broached the subject in a roundabout way and he knows
that I'm currently looking into it and he will have to choose whether
or not he wants to look into my findings (just like everything I
research!).
I live in Illinois and, as I understand the law, I can seek out
medical exemption based on my husband's autoimmune diseases or I can
seek out religious exemption based on my beliefs.
I really am now wondering about more of you on this list and what you
chose for your children.
Sandra, did you immunize yours (I may have missed your answer to this
on previous posts), your last post suggests that you haven't. Just
curious...
Chris
the people that have the diseases are. I'm not quite that far yet.
What I am really concerned about is, if I choose not to vaccinate
with the HIB, what kind of harrassment am I going to get? I'd love
to say that our current pediatrician would be open to discussion on
this, but I know she wouldn't be. How sad...
The baby is scheduled for March 16th so I feel very pressured (by
myself and the hospital) into making an informed decision. And
personally, this subject has not been met with an open-mind by my
husband. I've broached the subject in a roundabout way and he knows
that I'm currently looking into it and he will have to choose whether
or not he wants to look into my findings (just like everything I
research!).
I live in Illinois and, as I understand the law, I can seek out
medical exemption based on my husband's autoimmune diseases or I can
seek out religious exemption based on my beliefs.
I really am now wondering about more of you on this list and what you
chose for your children.
Sandra, did you immunize yours (I may have missed your answer to this
on previous posts), your last post suggests that you haven't. Just
curious...
Chris
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/9/01 1:04:50 PM, cmas100@... writes:
<< Sandra, did you immunize yours (I may have missed your answer to this
on previous posts), your last post suggests that you haven't. Just
curious... >>
Less and less with each child. I think Holly's had none since she left the
hospital. When she was little her pediatrician pressed for polio, and first
I said "killed only" because she hung out with friends whose dad has had
organ transplants and severe diabetes and needs REALLY not to be around such
things. I think after getting the approval for the kiilled polio, I just
dodged the return visit. She MIGHT have gotten that one, but I think not.
Then on subsequent visits the doctor would say "She's behind on vaccines" and
I'd say "I don't want her to have them," I'd get one eyebrow up look, and I'd
give one back and change the subject. I liked that doctor. She was young
and quick and bright and repecected that I wasn't just pulling stuff out of
my... netherparts.
We have been assigned a new primary care physician by our HMO just last
month, and I don't know how/who he is. I had kinda thought of taking the
whole batch of kids and me in and doing checkups and a meet-the-doctor moment
(hour <g>). Maybe I will and maybe I won't. But if he gives me pressure
about vaccinations I'll switch physicians.
Sandra
<< Sandra, did you immunize yours (I may have missed your answer to this
on previous posts), your last post suggests that you haven't. Just
curious... >>
Less and less with each child. I think Holly's had none since she left the
hospital. When she was little her pediatrician pressed for polio, and first
I said "killed only" because she hung out with friends whose dad has had
organ transplants and severe diabetes and needs REALLY not to be around such
things. I think after getting the approval for the kiilled polio, I just
dodged the return visit. She MIGHT have gotten that one, but I think not.
Then on subsequent visits the doctor would say "She's behind on vaccines" and
I'd say "I don't want her to have them," I'd get one eyebrow up look, and I'd
give one back and change the subject. I liked that doctor. She was young
and quick and bright and repecected that I wasn't just pulling stuff out of
my... netherparts.
We have been assigned a new primary care physician by our HMO just last
month, and I don't know how/who he is. I had kinda thought of taking the
whole batch of kids and me in and doing checkups and a meet-the-doctor moment
(hour <g>). Maybe I will and maybe I won't. But if he gives me pressure
about vaccinations I'll switch physicians.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/9/01 12:04:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cmas100@... writes:
<< The baby is scheduled for March 16th so I feel very pressured (by
myself and the hospital) into making an informed decision. And
personally, this subject has not been met with an open-mind by my
husband. I've broached the subject in a roundabout way and he knows
that I'm currently looking into it and he will have to choose whether
or not he wants to look into my findings (just like everything I
research!). >>
My baby is due March 11th and I am also looking into this vaccine thing. I
asked this list some questions and have gotten a TON of responses! I am
still researching and have started with the HIB shot. My dh is also a little
leary of not vaccinating, but I just keep telling him that I am doing the
research, I wouldn't do it if I thought it would hurt our baby, and that it
isn't a forever decision, just right now. So, good luck to you. I have not
mentioned this to my OB, and I probably won't. I will, as someone suggested,
write down on the hospital forms that I do not want the baby vaccinated. I
wish I could do a homebirth but our insurance wouldn't cover it. So, I am
prepared to battle with these people if I have too!
April
cmas100@... writes:
<< The baby is scheduled for March 16th so I feel very pressured (by
myself and the hospital) into making an informed decision. And
personally, this subject has not been met with an open-mind by my
husband. I've broached the subject in a roundabout way and he knows
that I'm currently looking into it and he will have to choose whether
or not he wants to look into my findings (just like everything I
research!). >>
My baby is due March 11th and I am also looking into this vaccine thing. I
asked this list some questions and have gotten a TON of responses! I am
still researching and have started with the HIB shot. My dh is also a little
leary of not vaccinating, but I just keep telling him that I am doing the
research, I wouldn't do it if I thought it would hurt our baby, and that it
isn't a forever decision, just right now. So, good luck to you. I have not
mentioned this to my OB, and I probably won't. I will, as someone suggested,
write down on the hospital forms that I do not want the baby vaccinated. I
wish I could do a homebirth but our insurance wouldn't cover it. So, I am
prepared to battle with these people if I have too!
April
dawn
you most likely don't have to vaccinate your child at all (although I'm
not familiar with your state's laws). Usually those laws only apply to
including kids in school or something....and if you decline to vaccinate
at birth and later change your mine, you can always vaccinate later. You
can't go back and unvaccinate, though. We have one partially vaccinated
(before I even considered do any research into it...we stopped prior to
the MMR and he got measles from a vaccinated child), one who was totally
unvaccinated until fall when he had a 1/2 dose of tetanus (and needs the
other doses, still) after careful consideration and discussion with our
family doctor, and one (a baby) who is vaccine free and will remain so
until age 5 or so unless soemthing changes. Our family doctor is
comfortable with this.
dawn h-s
**********
not familiar with your state's laws). Usually those laws only apply to
including kids in school or something....and if you decline to vaccinate
at birth and later change your mine, you can always vaccinate later. You
can't go back and unvaccinate, though. We have one partially vaccinated
(before I even considered do any research into it...we stopped prior to
the MMR and he got measles from a vaccinated child), one who was totally
unvaccinated until fall when he had a 1/2 dose of tetanus (and needs the
other doses, still) after careful consideration and discussion with our
family doctor, and one (a baby) who is vaccine free and will remain so
until age 5 or so unless soemthing changes. Our family doctor is
comfortable with this.
dawn h-s
**********
> I live in Illinois and, as I understand the law, I can seek out
> medical exemption based on my husband's autoimmune diseases or I can
> seek out religious exemption based on my beliefs.
>
Lynda
The info on the length of immunity with a Hep B vaccine is misinformation.
The CDC and the pharmeucutical company themselves have stated that they
*think* the vaccine's life is *about* 10 years and are recommending boosters
every 10 years. They have stated when questioned on this (some of the folks
used as guinea pigs have gotten Hep B), that they hope it is longer,
possibly 20 years but the testing was only done in the late 80's and early
90's so they cannot tell at this time.
Lynda
The CDC and the pharmeucutical company themselves have stated that they
*think* the vaccine's life is *about* 10 years and are recommending boosters
every 10 years. They have stated when questioned on this (some of the folks
used as guinea pigs have gotten Hep B), that they hope it is longer,
possibly 20 years but the testing was only done in the late 80's and early
90's so they cannot tell at this time.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <cmas100@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: vaccine info
> Valerie,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to list all of these sites. My head is
> spinning doing all of this research! Yesterday, I was at my OB's and
> just had to open the can of worms slightly to see what he was going
> to say. I asked if I was Hepatitis B positive (I knew I wasn't) and
> then asked if I am correct in thinking that my newborn can't contract
> this disease unless he becomes a person in the high risk catagory.
> He confirmed that the baby has no chance of getting this disease NOW,
> but did go on to say that the vaccination will provide immunity for
> life against the disease and that when my child is 20 and possibly
> sexual active, we know he won't get it. I dropped it there and left
> thinking, "Do I want to inject my baby with the HIB shot now to
> prevent the possibility of something that could happen in 20 years
> from now?" BIG question! Does the risk factor of adverse reaction
> at birth outweigh the risk factor in 20 years?
>
> Also, my husband has autoimmune deficiencies such as Ankylosing
> Spondylitis and Crohn's disease and I am reading that my children
> fall into the catagory of possibly being medically exempt from
> vaccination because of genetics. When my husband was very, very sick
> with these diseases he had often wondered if some environmental
> factor had triggered these. My research is pointing to the
> possibility of this vaccination triggering it. I am trying to take
> this one step at a time, starting with the vaccination given at the
> hospital.
>
> BTW, no, homebirth is not an option since I have scheduled C-Sections
> (please, this is not a subject I'm opening up for negative comments)
> and I have personally wondered, if I didn't have c-sections, would I
> consider homebirth. I don't know.
>
> I am happy to read all of the experiences and decisions all of you
> have made regarding vaccinations, it is very helpful & thank you...