Re: Immunizations
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The major reason that our country pushes so many vaccines on young
children is because that is when most parents are going to the doctor
frequently (for the 2mo, 4mo, etc). So if you are uncertain about
vaccines at this time, there is no reason medical reason why your infant
or toddler needs numerous vaccines. You can just tell your MD that you
would like to wait. They certainly can't force it on you, after all, the
parent has to sign a consent form for vaccines. Also, this would give
your child's immune system a chance to mature and be better able to
handle vaccines if you later decide that there are some vaccines that you
believe your child would benefit from receiving.
Mary Ellen
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<Hi and Lois>
children is because that is when most parents are going to the doctor
frequently (for the 2mo, 4mo, etc). So if you are uncertain about
vaccines at this time, there is no reason medical reason why your infant
or toddler needs numerous vaccines. You can just tell your MD that you
would like to wait. They certainly can't force it on you, after all, the
parent has to sign a consent form for vaccines. Also, this would give
your child's immune system a chance to mature and be better able to
handle vaccines if you later decide that there are some vaccines that you
believe your child would benefit from receiving.
Mary Ellen
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<Hi and Lois>
Lynda
This isn't quite correct. AND, if Hillary and the crew have their way, you
won't have any choice. Ask the families in NY who were threatened by CPS
and the school system with having their children taken away from them
because they didn't vaccinate.
Lynda
won't have any choice. Ask the families in NY who were threatened by CPS
and the school system with having their children taken away from them
because they didn't vaccinate.
Lynda
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Immunizations
> The major reason that our country pushes so many vaccines on young
> children is because that is when most parents are going to the doctor
> frequently (for the 2mo, 4mo, etc). So if you are uncertain about
> vaccines at this time, there is no reason medical reason why your infant
> or toddler needs numerous vaccines. You can just tell your MD that you
> would like to wait. They certainly can't force it on you, after all, the
> parent has to sign a consent form for vaccines. Also, this would give
> your child's immune system a chance to mature and be better able to
> handle vaccines if you later decide that there are some vaccines that you
> believe your child would benefit from receiving.
>
> Mary Ellen
> Gain weight... Stay Active... Get Smarter...
> New Year's Resolutions are EASY for Babies!
> <Hi and Lois>
>
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I rarely post but need some information. I'm due to have my 3rd child next
month and my husband and I are negotiating what will we do about immunizations.
I was alone when I had my first two children and did follow the recommended
shot schedule because that's what I was told to do. I've grown up since then and
my 2nd child who is now 7 missed out on his last dpt and whatever other shots
they get before school, which wasn't a big deal since he has never attended
school. My husband thinks that if we don't follow the exact guidelines our baby
will succumb to some awful disease and I'll be sorry. I understand he doesn't
have same views as I do on many things and am willing to possibly see about
at least delaying the immunizations. His sister has not immunized her 2 yr old
yet, either but he still is uncomfortable about going against the norm. So, I
was wondering if anyone could give me some websites, info, personal
viewpoints...whatever. Either pro or con vaccine, although there is already lots of
pro-vaccine information out there. I do ask for this cautiously, I do not want to
stir up any debate. Feel free to email me off-list if you choose. Also, we
have Kaiser as our insurance and I was also wondering if anyone here had any
experience with them, especially in regard to immunizations. I'm afraid they will
insist on following the immunization schedule exactly. Thanks in advance for
your help.
Regina
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month and my husband and I are negotiating what will we do about immunizations.
I was alone when I had my first two children and did follow the recommended
shot schedule because that's what I was told to do. I've grown up since then and
my 2nd child who is now 7 missed out on his last dpt and whatever other shots
they get before school, which wasn't a big deal since he has never attended
school. My husband thinks that if we don't follow the exact guidelines our baby
will succumb to some awful disease and I'll be sorry. I understand he doesn't
have same views as I do on many things and am willing to possibly see about
at least delaying the immunizations. His sister has not immunized her 2 yr old
yet, either but he still is uncomfortable about going against the norm. So, I
was wondering if anyone could give me some websites, info, personal
viewpoints...whatever. Either pro or con vaccine, although there is already lots of
pro-vaccine information out there. I do ask for this cautiously, I do not want to
stir up any debate. Feel free to email me off-list if you choose. Also, we
have Kaiser as our insurance and I was also wondering if anyone here had any
experience with them, especially in regard to immunizations. I'm afraid they will
insist on following the immunization schedule exactly. Thanks in advance for
your help.
Regina
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Joylyn
Mothering has a great book on Immunizations that I would really recommend.
Joylyn
MDMomatHm@... wrote:
Joylyn
MDMomatHm@... wrote:
> I rarely post but need some information. I'm due to have my 3rd child[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> next
> month and my husband and I are negotiating what will we do about
> immunizations.
> I was alone when I had my first two children and did follow the
> recommended
> shot schedule because that's what I was told to do. I've grown up
> since then and
> my 2nd child who is now 7 missed out on his last dpt and whatever
> other shots
> they get before school, which wasn't a big deal since he has never
> attended
> school. My husband thinks that if we don't follow the exact guidelines
> our baby
> will succumb to some awful disease and I'll be sorry. I understand he
> doesn't
> have same views as I do on many things and am willing to possibly see
> about
> at least delaying the immunizations. His sister has not immunized her
> 2 yr old
> yet, either but he still is uncomfortable about going against the
> norm. So, I
> was wondering if anyone could give me some websites, info, personal
> viewpoints...whatever. Either pro or con vaccine, although there is
> already lots of
> pro-vaccine information out there. I do ask for this cautiously, I do
> not want to
> stir up any debate. Feel free to email me off-list if you choose.
> Also, we
> have Kaiser as our insurance and I was also wondering if anyone here
> had any
> experience with them, especially in regard to immunizations. I'm
> afraid they will
> insist on following the immunization schedule exactly. Thanks in
> advance for
> your help.
> Regina
>
>
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Kris
Mothering magazine also has a good article in their July/August edition. I
have only skimmed it so far but it looks good.
I spent a lot of hours, over a period of years researching vaccines. I
tried to consider any possible merits of each, one at a time, the last one
was tetanus. I went to a web page for doctors which listed reports of
reactions to the shot, it was scary. I combined this with the reports of
tetanus cases (rare) and decided against having it given.
It's a good idea to just start looking for information on the internet, pro
and con, and look at each vaccine individually. Believe it or not, some of
my best reasons for NOT having a vaccine have been from pro-shot sites like
the CDC. Do the math, risk vs risk, and make the best choice you can.
I wish I could give you a list of sites but I just had to reformat my hard
drive and lost all my bookmarks, saving the file didn't work. I've lost my
best research information this way, more times than I care to recall.
Kris
have only skimmed it so far but it looks good.
I spent a lot of hours, over a period of years researching vaccines. I
tried to consider any possible merits of each, one at a time, the last one
was tetanus. I went to a web page for doctors which listed reports of
reactions to the shot, it was scary. I combined this with the reports of
tetanus cases (rare) and decided against having it given.
It's a good idea to just start looking for information on the internet, pro
and con, and look at each vaccine individually. Believe it or not, some of
my best reasons for NOT having a vaccine have been from pro-shot sites like
the CDC. Do the math, risk vs risk, and make the best choice you can.
I wish I could give you a list of sites but I just had to reformat my hard
drive and lost all my bookmarks, saving the file didn't work. I've lost my
best research information this way, more times than I care to recall.
Kris
Kelly Lenhart
First of all, unless there is something else going on, no one can force you
to immunize. Certainly not your insurance company.
Second, even if you go to the government sites to look at what their
recommendations are for immunizations, you'll see that what they give is a
suggested "range" of when the shots are most effective. Like you should get
the first one of something between six and nine months and the second one 6
months later. That kind of thing. There are no hard and fast dates. NONE!
Somehow, that was the biggest deciding factor for me not to give some shots
to our second son. We aren't doing the chicken pox one, we aren't doing
the, oh hell, what is it, the nasty resp. one, can't remember the name at 7
AM. And I'm not rushing in to get him some of the others. He missed his
fifteen month check and I'm sort of skipping the 18 month, but he's late for
his 2 year at this point.
With son #1, he was in daycare and then school, so we would get these little
forms in his mail box. ANd we just went with it. But no one is in school
now so we just let it slide some if everyone is doing fine.
For some of these immunizations, they don't even know yet how effective long
term they are going to be. (Chicken pox being the prime example.) Why
bother?
Kelly
to immunize. Certainly not your insurance company.
Second, even if you go to the government sites to look at what their
recommendations are for immunizations, you'll see that what they give is a
suggested "range" of when the shots are most effective. Like you should get
the first one of something between six and nine months and the second one 6
months later. That kind of thing. There are no hard and fast dates. NONE!
Somehow, that was the biggest deciding factor for me not to give some shots
to our second son. We aren't doing the chicken pox one, we aren't doing
the, oh hell, what is it, the nasty resp. one, can't remember the name at 7
AM. And I'm not rushing in to get him some of the others. He missed his
fifteen month check and I'm sort of skipping the 18 month, but he's late for
his 2 year at this point.
With son #1, he was in daycare and then school, so we would get these little
forms in his mail box. ANd we just went with it. But no one is in school
now so we just let it slide some if everyone is doing fine.
For some of these immunizations, they don't even know yet how effective long
term they are going to be. (Chicken pox being the prime example.) Why
bother?
Kelly
Fetteroll
There's also the option of waiting until their immune systems are more
mature. And that can be years away.
Doctors want to immunize infants because those are the kids they have the
most access to. They know if the vaccination recommendation is for 2yos or
6yos that far fewer kids will be vaccinated.
I'm not offering that as a recommendation since I'm fairly ignorant about
the whole thing and just did what I was told to do and it's 12 years to late
to worry about it now! ;-) But it's there as an idea so that you don't feel
you're on a deadline to make a lifetime decision.
Joyce
mature. And that can be years away.
Doctors want to immunize infants because those are the kids they have the
most access to. They know if the vaccination recommendation is for 2yos or
6yos that far fewer kids will be vaccinated.
I'm not offering that as a recommendation since I'm fairly ignorant about
the whole thing and just did what I was told to do and it's 12 years to late
to worry about it now! ;-) But it's there as an idea so that you don't feel
you're on a deadline to make a lifetime decision.
Joyce
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In a message dated 7-22-2003 11:11:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
joylyn@... writes:
www.mothering.com/discussions</A>
Just a pet peeve of mine: if you are exclusively breastfeeding, your baby
will be immunized (a natural boost to their immune system), vaccination is the
artificial form of this act.
My story is all over the Mothering board, if you have any questions after
reading over there (I'm hahamommy there, too) you are welcome to e-mail me!
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
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They expand our imaginations to infinite possibilities that cannot exist in a
life of isolation." --Brian Koslow
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joylyn@... writes:
> Mothering has a great book on Immunizations that I would really recommend.Mothering also has an awesome discussion board on the vax issue. <A HREF="www.mothering.com/discussions">
>
> Joylyn
>
www.mothering.com/discussions</A>
Just a pet peeve of mine: if you are exclusively breastfeeding, your baby
will be immunized (a natural boost to their immune system), vaccination is the
artificial form of this act.
My story is all over the Mothering board, if you have any questions after
reading over there (I'm hahamommy there, too) you are welcome to e-mail me!
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
“Relationships are a prerequisite for producing results beyond ourselves.
They expand our imaginations to infinite possibilities that cannot exist in a
life of isolation." --Brian Koslow
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Backstrom kelli
Do you mean that if you breastfeed your children are more likely to build up immunities to these other diseases. All my children have had their vaccinations but I have always (an dwill again with my little one) delayed the MMR one due to my own sister's diagnosis with autism which presented itself right around the same time as her vaccinations. I always have to fight with my doctor about this though. It is such a drag! I would be interested to know anyone elses experiences with this, although I know it is off subject. Kelli
HaHaMommy@... wrote:In a message dated 7-22-2003 11:11:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
joylyn@... writes:
www.mothering.com/discussions</A>
Just a pet peeve of mine: if you are exclusively breastfeeding, your baby
will be immunized (a natural boost to their immune system), vaccination is the
artificial form of this act.
My story is all over the Mothering board, if you have any questions after
reading over there (I'm hahamommy there, too) you are welcome to e-mail me!
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
���Relationships are a prerequisite for producing results beyond ourselves.
They expand our imaginations to infinite possibilities that cannot exist in a
life of isolation." --Brian Koslow
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HaHaMommy@... wrote:In a message dated 7-22-2003 11:11:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
joylyn@... writes:
> Mothering has a great book on Immunizations that I would really recommend.Mothering also has an awesome discussion board on the vax issue. <A HREF="www.mothering.com/discussions">
>
> Joylyn
>
www.mothering.com/discussions</A>
Just a pet peeve of mine: if you are exclusively breastfeeding, your baby
will be immunized (a natural boost to their immune system), vaccination is the
artificial form of this act.
My story is all over the Mothering board, if you have any questions after
reading over there (I'm hahamommy there, too) you are welcome to e-mail me!
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
���Relationships are a prerequisite for producing results beyond ourselves.
They expand our imaginations to infinite possibilities that cannot exist in a
life of isolation." --Brian Koslow
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In a message dated 7/24/2003 10:14:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kellibac@... writes:
read the heading "Autism". He said that he'd seen recent studies that they've
found a *possible* link to immunizations. That the common link is scar tisue on
the brain from the immunization. I would do come more research, definitely.
~Kelly
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kellibac@... writes:
> Do you mean that if you breastfeed your children are more likely to buildI had an old issue of HEM in my car one day. Daddy, the shrink, saw it and
> up immunities to these other diseases. All my children have had their
> vaccinations but I have always (an dwill again with my little one) delayed the MMR
> one due to my own sister's diagnosis with autism which presented itself right
> around the same time as her vaccinations. I always have to fight with my
> doctor about this though. It is such a drag! I would be interested to know anyone
> elses experiences with this, although I know it is off subject.
read the heading "Autism". He said that he'd seen recent studies that they've
found a *possible* link to immunizations. That the common link is scar tisue on
the brain from the immunization. I would do come more research, definitely.
~Kelly
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I would also recommend "How to raise a healthy child in spite of your Doctor"
~ Dr. M includes all the pre/post vax statistics and describes the benefits
of breastmilk immunity.
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
“Relationships are a prerequisite for producing results beyond ourselves.
They expand our imaginations to infinite possibilities that cannot exist in a
life of isolation." --Brian Koslow
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~ Dr. M includes all the pre/post vax statistics and describes the benefits
of breastmilk immunity.
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
“Relationships are a prerequisite for producing results beyond ourselves.
They expand our imaginations to infinite possibilities that cannot exist in a
life of isolation." --Brian Koslow
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liza sabater
Evan had a bad reaction to the MMRs. I have just decided to take the
wait and see approach --especially given that the kids are not going to
school. As my family MD said, unless you are planning to go to the
Amazonian forest or Bombay there is no need to rush it. And so, I have
not.
wait and see approach --especially given that the kids are not going to
school. As my family MD said, unless you are planning to go to the
Amazonian forest or Bombay there is no need to rush it. And so, I have
not.
On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, at 07:49 AM, Fetteroll wrote:
> There's also the option of waiting until their immune systems are more
> mature. And that can be years away.
>
> Doctors want to immunize infants because those are the kids they have
> the
> most access to. They know if the vaccination recommendation is for
> 2yos or
> 6yos that far fewer kids will be vaccinated.
>
> I'm not offering that as a recommendation since I'm fairly ignorant
> about
> the whole thing and just did what I was told to do and it's 12 years
> to late
> to worry about it now! ;-) But it's there as an idea so that you don't
> feel
> you're on a deadline to make a lifetime decision.
>
> Joyce
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