RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] corporal punishment ...
Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall
I agree that punishment, while an intriguing and volitile issue, is not related to Homeschooling/Unschooling. In the interests of keeping the atmosphere congenial, helpful and condusive to learning, I suggest we forgo this topic.
As to difficulties with differences in parenting between father and mother, that is a marital issue that you will have to work out together through compromise. Also not related to Unschooling. But I do wish you the best of luck, as it can be a very sticky issue to resolve.
My suggestion would be anger management counseling for you husband and perhaps a class on creative parenting that the two of you could take together, to help give you ideas and help you reach a resolution. Two individuals with very different backgrounds and histories trying to mesh that into a single child rearing philosophy can be very difficult. I am tahnkful that my husband and I have never disagreed over discipline and other issues with our kids. We have very compatible philosophies and are always ready to learn from one another, and from our kids.
Nanci K.
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As to difficulties with differences in parenting between father and mother, that is a marital issue that you will have to work out together through compromise. Also not related to Unschooling. But I do wish you the best of luck, as it can be a very sticky issue to resolve.
My suggestion would be anger management counseling for you husband and perhaps a class on creative parenting that the two of you could take together, to help give you ideas and help you reach a resolution. Two individuals with very different backgrounds and histories trying to mesh that into a single child rearing philosophy can be very difficult. I am tahnkful that my husband and I have never disagreed over discipline and other issues with our kids. We have very compatible philosophies and are always ready to learn from one another, and from our kids.
Nanci K.
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Sonia Ulan
I'm not meaning to continue a battle of wits here, but I will state that
I think any and all parenting issues absolutely ARE related to
unschooling. Isn't that the whole point of home/unschooling? Being
good, INVOLVED, emotionally available parents to our children, providing
a solid vessel for learning? Not limiting ourselves or closing doors on
opportunities to learn? Aren't we supposedly broadening our learning
base? If this list is so structured about "kosher" topics open for
discussion, how are we any different from the restrictions of a typical
public school classroom?
And besides, parenting issues affect our success and how we unschool.
How is "dealing with discipline" any less legitimate a topic for
discussion than "how do I keep Johnny interested in books?"...aren't
these topics related? However squeemish we may feel we have to keep
these lines of communication open.
Sonia
Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall wrote:
I think any and all parenting issues absolutely ARE related to
unschooling. Isn't that the whole point of home/unschooling? Being
good, INVOLVED, emotionally available parents to our children, providing
a solid vessel for learning? Not limiting ourselves or closing doors on
opportunities to learn? Aren't we supposedly broadening our learning
base? If this list is so structured about "kosher" topics open for
discussion, how are we any different from the restrictions of a typical
public school classroom?
And besides, parenting issues affect our success and how we unschool.
How is "dealing with discipline" any less legitimate a topic for
discussion than "how do I keep Johnny interested in books?"...aren't
these topics related? However squeemish we may feel we have to keep
these lines of communication open.
Sonia
Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall wrote:
>
>
> I agree that punishment, while an intriguing and volitile issue, is not related to Homeschooling/Unschooling. In the interests of keeping the atmosphere congenial, helpful and condusive to learning, I suggest we forgo this topic.
>
> As to difficulties with differences in parenting between father and mother, that is a marital issue that you will have to work out together through compromise. Also not related to Unschooling. But I do wish you the best of luck, as it can be a very sticky issue to resolve.
>
> My suggestion would be anger management counseling for you husband and perhaps a class on creative parenting that the two of you could take together, to help give you ideas and help you reach a resolution. Two individuals with very different backgrounds and histories trying to mesh that into a single child rearing philosophy can be very difficult. I am tahnkful that my husband and I have never disagreed over discipline and other issues with our kids. We have very compatible philosophies and are always ready to learn from one another, and from our kids.
>
> Nanci K.
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Bonnie Painter
You have been lurking for a while Pris. I thought you got lost on vacation
and never made it back!
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>From: "Pris" <x_t_sipr@...>_________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] corporal punishment ...
>Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:20:58 -0500
>
>coming out of my lurking mode for a split second to say ... ***3~CHEERS***
>for you Lynda, thanks for saying what I'm sitting here thinking ~>
>***ohhhhhhh nooooooo, not again*** ...
>
>Pris ~> I'll be going back under my rock now, happy day all :)
>WARNING: I cannot be help responsible for the above, as apparently my cats
>have learned how to type ...
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Differences with DH
>
>
> > Well, like a few others, I don't think that corporal punishment is an
> > unschooling issue, it is a parenting issue and a very volitile one!
>Also,
> > each and ever discussion of corporal punishment on all but one
> > home/unschooling list I belong to has gone down hill into at the least,
>the
> > next thing to a flame war. AND, that includes this list! So, as a
> > courtesy to all of us who are, quite frankly, tired of the topic raising
> > its head every 6 months or so, please keep the same subject line so we
>can
> > delete and get on with the business of unschooling.
> >
> > Lynda
> >
>
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From: Sonia Ulan <sulan@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] corporal punishment ...
Another Here! Here! for you.
Aren't we supposedly broadening our learning
> base?
Supposedly.
Amy
Mom to Samantha, Dana, and Casey
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Here Here Here....I agree! Sonia and Amy
Shirley A Richardson-McCourt
Nanci said:
Shirley says:
One of the interesting parts of homeschooling/unschooling is that everything
becomes a part of it, in that lots of things affect it. Wasn't that the
point--to take learning out of the box and make it part of the real world??
In the real world, when you have discipline issues in your home, it DOES
affect your homeschooling. I don't have any real personal interest in
discussing discipline at this time, but someone who is trying to homeschool
is finding her efforts affected by this issue. Couldn't we just settle for
allowing those who want to discuss it to do so and the rest of us just to
delete it?? I was deleting hot and heavy a few days ago when birthday
presents were the topic and I wasn't interested. But I didn't feel that
whoever was looking for suggestions was out of line to seek them from people
she trusted.
I still say that liberal use of the delete key is the appropriate response.
Multiple threads can and will exist. That's what makes the list so valuable
to us newbies. Please don't cut us off at the knees 'cause you've already
been where we're going. We need your patience, your help, and your
experience as we try to negotiate this land that has no map, with countries
that have no boundaries.
>related to Homeschooling/Unschooling.
> I agree that punishment, while an intriguing and volitile issue, is not
Shirley says:
One of the interesting parts of homeschooling/unschooling is that everything
becomes a part of it, in that lots of things affect it. Wasn't that the
point--to take learning out of the box and make it part of the real world??
In the real world, when you have discipline issues in your home, it DOES
affect your homeschooling. I don't have any real personal interest in
discussing discipline at this time, but someone who is trying to homeschool
is finding her efforts affected by this issue. Couldn't we just settle for
allowing those who want to discuss it to do so and the rest of us just to
delete it?? I was deleting hot and heavy a few days ago when birthday
presents were the topic and I wasn't interested. But I didn't feel that
whoever was looking for suggestions was out of line to seek them from people
she trusted.
I still say that liberal use of the delete key is the appropriate response.
Multiple threads can and will exist. That's what makes the list so valuable
to us newbies. Please don't cut us off at the knees 'cause you've already
been where we're going. We need your patience, your help, and your
experience as we try to negotiate this land that has no map, with countries
that have no boundaries.
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/3/2000 12:47:06 PM, thediva@... writes:
<<Couldn't we just settle for
allowing those who want to discuss it to do so and the rest of us just to
delete it?? I was deleting hot and heavy a few days ago when birthday
presents were the topic and I wasn't interested.>>
It might be helpful if everyone who hasn't been through it once knows that a
list discussion on spanking usually becomes very controversial and outraged.
Such a discussion is likely to TRIPLE the volume of posts on the list for a
couple of weeks and include some rather startling ranting and raving.
But people who like to kick rotten logs, turn rocks over, and poke
rattlesnakes with sticks may enjoy some of those aspects. <g>
Just my 2 cents,
Betsy
<<Couldn't we just settle for
allowing those who want to discuss it to do so and the rest of us just to
delete it?? I was deleting hot and heavy a few days ago when birthday
presents were the topic and I wasn't interested.>>
It might be helpful if everyone who hasn't been through it once knows that a
list discussion on spanking usually becomes very controversial and outraged.
Such a discussion is likely to TRIPLE the volume of posts on the list for a
couple of weeks and include some rather startling ranting and raving.
But people who like to kick rotten logs, turn rocks over, and poke
rattlesnakes with sticks may enjoy some of those aspects. <g>
Just my 2 cents,
Betsy