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Hello Everyone, Again
I just wanted to let everyone know that I just read your posts and I want to
thank you all. As Im a bit emotional right now and need to get my butt to
work(keeping busy tactic. I just started yesterday) I will reply tomorrow
when Ive had time to reflect on everyones words. This is a very touchy
subject for me, Ive been tryiny to quit for I dont know how long. Always
tomorrow.....Anyway thank you so much, you really just dont know how much
your input means to me.
Talk to you tomorrow.

Tamie

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P.S. I saved every post so that I can come home at 5 am and read them again.
All the good reasons to quit. Thanks again.
Tamie

susan wilson

>I think the health part has alot to do with the way you look at it,
> I believe what you believe affects how you are affected by things.

i agree with this. so much of what our culture suggests is black or
white , good or bad. it tells us that we sit back and are affected by
things in a particular way. the problem w/ this is that we never
really realize what a huge part we play or can play in the way things
affect us. our individual perspective is the key factor in every
experience we have. if you are doing something which you feel is
detrimental imo you owe it to yourself to challenge yourself W/O
placing blame on you OR that which you are doing, being that smoking
or anything else.

deepak chopra talks about addictions, one of the things he suggests is
that you should not deny yourself but allow yourself to smoke and as
the desire wells up and you have a cigarette ask yourself why you are
smoking - become intimate w/ it and stop shaming yourself for it.
but maintain the desire to quit while you are consciously smoking and
questioning yourself. this is a radical shift from the more puritan
perspective of 'no pain no gain' mentality but maybe you will find
more success by being kind, gentle and accepting while maintain a
concious, guilt-free desire to quit.

jmo,
susan
austin,tx
fxfireob@...

Cathie _

Michelle, where do you buy organic tobacco? Do you roll your own cigs? Can
you make them with filters, or does it look like you are smoking pot all the
time?! I smoke, too, and I am not ready to quit, but I do resent the
additives that Big Tobacco has been putting in to make me addicted to their
product. More info, please?

Cathie

>From: "Michelle Harper" <earthmagik@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] OT:Re: Smoking Tobacco
>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:36:28 -0500
>
>My husband and I both smoke, and have since we were very young......I think
>the health part has alot to do with the way you look at it, I believe what
>you believe affects how you are affected by things. We have been taught
>that tobacco(plain tobacco) is sacred, and carries prayers to the
>creator. We do not smoke mainstream brand cigerettes, only 100%
>tobacco.....we think that the chemicals that are added to the tobacco, are
>what are most addicting & harmful. And we choose not to give money to the
>cigerette compnaies that put chemicals in their tobacco. But I've thought
>alot on this topic, and I tend to think also that there are many other
>factors contributing to lunge cancer, which are purposefully not being
>looked at close enough. The pollution that cars & trucks make in our
>cities everyday, must have an effect on the lungs, and no-one is about to
>say quit driving..they aren't even going to suggest that this may CAUSE
>lung cancer. How about the pollutants of many businesses.and products.you
>see the the clouds of chemical smoke going into the air, but are we
>stopping it?? People use paints, and cleaning supplies that have harmful
>chemicals to the lungs, everyday. The war on tobacco companies is all about
>money...the facts, and tests are propaganda for one side or the other in my
>opinion...if.you inflict any extreme ammount of any constituant on any
>thing for a duration of time, and it will become toxic...High levels , and
>extremes are toxic of any one thing..vitamins, Minerals nutrients, Our
>bodies are made as such we need a variety of different things at different
>stages and times(in my opinion) Everything in Moderation.... It is not the
>tobacco itself that is the culprit of lung cancer, in my opinion. I am not
>saying that high levels of nicotine on an already weak lung will not affect
>it, surely it will. I think if one leads an overall healthy life, that this
>is very important & this demonstrates respect for oneself, and the
>environment, but when it comes down to it, when the time comes , the time
>comes, whether you've been a smoker or not. I do not think, personally
>that any death is before it's time, whatever the cause, and I'am not
>dismmissing the pain caused by losing a loved one.... , and mean deeply
>not to offend anyone who has lost a family member whose autopsy stated lung
>cancer as the cause, Many Blessings to you, and may they be in
>peace.....but I think the best thing to suggest if you want to quit smoking
>is to either just STOP...or at least switch to an all organic tobacco, with
>no chemicals or additives, at least you will be more likely to quit when
>you are ready, and won't be contributing hard earned dollars to a company
>you do not believe or trust in. Just my 2 cents.......Totally NOT
>intending to make anyone mad, or insult anyone else's beliefs on this one.
>I also believe we all have a right to our place in the mind, meaning, I
>respect others to have the beliefs they have, and to be at the stage in
>life they are in. Everything is in it's place, and everything is in
>transition. But lastly, I do believe all plants, including tobacco to be
>Sacred, a gift from the Earth MOther..and Tobacco particularly to be a
>Sacred plant , whose smoke carries our prayers to the Spirit world......I
>do not support BIg Tobacco COmpanies, or any other Large Corporate Entity.
>Many Blessings in fullfilling that which you want for yourself. Michelle*

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Michelle, are you NDN?

Lynda

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From: Michelle Harper <earthmagik@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] OT:Re: Smoking Tobacco
Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 11:36 AM

My husband and I both smoke, and have since we were very young......I think
the health part has alot to do with the way you look at it, I believe what
you believe affects how you are affected by things. We have been taught
that tobacco(plain tobacco) is sacred, and carries prayers to the
creator. We do not smoke mainstream brand cigerettes, only 100%
tobacco.....we think that the chemicals that are added to the tobacco, are
what are most addicting & harmful. And we choose not to give money to the
cigerette compnaies that put chemicals in their tobacco. But I've thought
alot on this topic, and I tend to think also that there are many other
factors contributing to lunge cancer, which are purposefully not being
looked at close enough. The pollution that cars & trucks make in our
cities everyday, must have an effect on the lungs, and no-one is about to
say quit driving..they aren't even going to suggest that this may CAUSE
lung cancer. How about the pollutants of many businesses.and products.you
see the the clouds of chemical smoke going into the air, but are we
stopping it?? People use paints, and cleaning supplies that have harmful
chemicals to the lungs, everyday. The war on tobacco companies is all about
money...the facts, and tests are propaganda for one side or the other in my
opinion...if.you inflict any extreme ammount of any constituant on any
thing for a duration of time, and it will become toxic...High levels , and
extremes are toxic of any one thing..vitamins, Minerals nutrients, Our
bodies are made as such we need a variety of different things at different
stages and times(in my opinion) Everything in Moderation.... It is not the
tobacco itself that is the culprit of lung cancer, in my opinion. I am not
saying that high levels of nicotine on an already weak lung will not affect
it, surely it will. I think if one leads an overall healthy life, that this
is very important & this demonstrates respect for oneself, and the
environment, but when it comes down to it, when the time comes , the time
comes, whether you've been a smoker or not. I do not think, personally
that any death is before it's time, whatever the cause, and I'am not
dismmissing the pain caused by losing a loved one.... , and mean deeply
not to offend anyone who has lost a family member whose autopsy stated lung
cancer as the cause, Many Blessings to you, and may they be in
peace.....but I think the best thing to suggest if you want to quit smoking
is to either just STOP...or at least switch to an all organic tobacco, with
no chemicals or additives, at least you will be more likely to quit when
you are ready, and won't be contributing hard earned dollars to a company
you do not believe or trust in. Just my 2 cents.......Totally NOT
intending to make anyone mad, or insult anyone else's beliefs on this one.
I also believe we all have a right to our place in the mind, meaning, I
respect others to have the beliefs they have, and to be at the stage in
life they are in. Everything is in it's place, and everything is in
transition. But lastly, I do believe all plants, including tobacco to be
Sacred, a gift from the Earth MOther..and Tobacco particularly to be a
Sacred plant , whose smoke carries our prayers to the Spirit world......I
do not support BIg Tobacco COmpanies, or any other Large Corporate Entity.
Many Blessings in fullfilling that which you want for yourself. Michelle*