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In a message dated 7/14/00 8:56:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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<< If you are having problems with wild mood swings and blood sugar levels, it
is more likely to be because of something you are eating, not because you
aren't eating meat or getting enough protein. Maybe you are getting too many
simple carbohydrates or waiting too long between meals. >>
Billy,
This could be a possibility. I was eating tons of pasta and fresh vegies,
little eggs and dairy and almost no meat. So what do you eat? Please share
what you have eaten in, say the last 2-3 days, just to give us hopefulls some
ideas. I think part of my problem is not know what to eat or how to prepare
it so it is tasty. If you could pass along some simple no lose receipes,
that would help too......Thanks.

Julie

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Priss,
Thank you so much for the information. I am going to check out our public
library and see if they have any of the books you recommended.

I would like to get in to cooking with tofu-but haven't a clue how or what to
fix with it....

Would you please explain the different vegan terminology, for us, veggie
illiterates? I have read them before but don't remember them...

Thanks again,
Julie

aworthen

Hi Julie,
I'm catching up on days of posts here, so you've prob. already gotten
suggestions, but I'll give you mine. I've found that eating meat replacement
products help to keep me feeling full and up to par. The list of these
products seems endless already and it grows more everyday. Right now in my
freezer I have crumbles (used in place of ground beef), chicken nuggets,
chicken patties, corn dogs, burgers, and some "hot pockets" style sandwiches
and none of these things contain any meat at all! Morning star farms makes
all of these products and I can get them all in my regular neighborhood
supermarket. Two years ago, I had to travel to a healthfood store 25 min.
away to get these things, so awareness toward vegetarianism is certainly
increasing. Good luck to you. Vegetarianism is a great lifestyle to lead.
Amy
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: vegans


> In a message dated 7/14/00 8:56:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> FUNLists@... writes:
>
> << If you are having problems with wild mood swings and blood sugar
levels, it
> is more likely to be because of something you are eating, not because you
> aren't eating meat or getting enough protein. Maybe you are getting too
many
> simple carbohydrates or waiting too long between meals. >>
> Billy,
> This could be a possibility. I was eating tons of pasta and fresh
vegies,
> little eggs and dairy and almost no meat. So what do you eat? Please
share
> what you have eaten in, say the last 2-3 days, just to give us hopefulls
some
> ideas. I think part of my problem is not know what to eat or how to
prepare
> it so it is tasty. If you could pass along some simple no lose receipes,
> that would help too......Thanks.
>
> Julie
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Thanks Amy,
We have tried Morning Star and really like them....keep the ideas coming
though.

Julie

Corallyn Berger

A book I read and followed for a while is Protein
Power by Dr.Michael Eddes(sp). It explains how carbs
affect the body and also has some good recipes in the
back. There is also The Low Carbohidrate Cook Book.
These are both helpful when you don't know how to cut
your carbs.

> << If you are having problems with wild mood swings
> and blood sugar levels, it
> is more likely to be because of something you are
> eating, not because you
> aren't eating meat or getting enough protein. Maybe
> you are getting too many
> simple carbohydrates or waiting too long between
> meals. >>
> Billy,
> This could be a possibility. I was eating tons of
> pasta and fresh vegies,
> little eggs and dairy and almost no meat. So what
> do you eat? Please share
> what you have eaten in, say the last 2-3 days, just
> to give us hopefulls some
> ideas. I think part of my problem is not know what
> to eat or how to prepare
> it so it is tasty. If you could pass along some
> simple no lose receipes,
> that would help too......Thanks.
>
> Julie
>


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In a message dated 07/15/2000 5:25:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
aworthen@... writes:

<< that eating meat replacement
products help to keep me feeling full and up to par. The list of these
products seems endless already and it grows more everyday. Right now in my
freezer I have crumbles (used in place of ground beef), chicken nuggets,
chicken patties, corn dogs, burgers, and some "hot pockets" style sandwiches
and none of these things contain any meat at all! Morning star farms makes
all of these products >>

Just a note, some of the morning star products are highly processed and have
many not so good ingredients. While we eat them, and have them in our
freezer also <g> I do not consider them to be a health food product, in fact
they are used as a treat or fun food/junk food.

Kathy

aworthen

I do not consider them to be a health food product,

Nor do I. I simply concider them a meat replacement. I am not a vegetarian
because of health reasons. I am one for moral reasons. In fact the thing
that convinced me that I could survive as a veggie was the fact that I
didn't have to give up coke and potato chips. <g>. I know a few people that
are raw foodists and I believe that this is the way to go for health. IMHO.
Amy
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Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: vegans


> In a message dated 07/15/2000 5:25:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> aworthen@... writes:
>
> << that eating meat replacement
> products help to keep me feeling full and up to par. The list of these
> products seems endless already and it grows more everyday. Right now in
my
> freezer I have crumbles (used in place of ground beef), chicken nuggets,
> chicken patties, corn dogs, burgers, and some "hot pockets" style
sandwiches
> and none of these things contain any meat at all! Morning star farms
makes
> all of these products >>
>
> Just a note, some of the morning star products are highly processed and
have
> many not so good ingredients. While we eat them, and have them in our
> freezer also <g> in fact
> they are used as a treat or fun food/junk food.
>
> Kathy
>
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In a message dated 7/15/2000 2:56:26 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
aworthen@... writes:

<< I do not consider them to be a health food product, >>

Say it's not so... Here I am preparing Nature's Healthy Sausage from the
Health food store (soy based I believe) and I was thinking I was at eating
something healthy <g>.. Well at least it's not meat,... one thing at a time

Dawn F

aworthen

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it bad to cut out all carbs? I was told
it could send the body int o keytosis and set one up for kidney
damage/failure.
Amy
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: vegans


> A book I read and followed for a while is Protein
> Power by Dr.Michael Eddes(sp). It explains how carbs
> affect the body and also has some good recipes in the
> back. There is also The Low Carbohidrate Cook Book.
> These are both helpful when you don't know how to cut
> your carbs.
>
> > << If you are having problems with wild mood swings
> > and blood sugar levels, it
> > is more likely to be because of something you are
> > eating, not because you
> > aren't eating meat or getting enough protein. Maybe
> > you are getting too many
> > simple carbohydrates or waiting too long between
> > meals. >>
> > Billy,
> > This could be a possibility. I was eating tons of
> > pasta and fresh vegies,
> > little eggs and dairy and almost no meat. So what
> > do you eat? Please share
> > what you have eaten in, say the last 2-3 days, just
> > to give us hopefulls some
> > ideas. I think part of my problem is not know what
> > to eat or how to prepare
> > it so it is tasty. If you could pass along some
> > simple no lose receipes,
> > that would help too......Thanks.
> >
> > Julie
> >
>
>
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--- aworthen <aworthen@...> wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it bad to cut out
> all carbs? I was told
> it could send the body int o keytosis and set one up
> for kidney
> damage/failure.
> Amy


This book doesn't say to cut all carbs. What it does
say is that all sugar is the same whether it is in the
form of fruits and veggies or candy. The body turns it
all to sugar. When you start the diet (and I mean a
way of eating, not the traditional deffinition), you
start in one of 3 phases depending on your fat %, and
your health i.e. diabetic, heart disease, blood
preasure, etc. Then over the course of a few weeks you
add more carbs to the ones you are already taking in.
By the time you reach phase 3 of the diet you are
taking in equal amounts of protein and carbs not one
more or less than the other. You really need to read
the book. It explains the medical basis of the diet
and why and how it works as well. My bil is an MD and
he read the book and agrees that yes it is based on
medical text books. I guess I also have a hard time
believing that the high carb diet that the govn't
endorces is ballanced since we also need protein...and
since the time they started endorsing the carb diet
the country has gotten fatter and has more heart,
blood preassure and blood sugar problems. Aside of
that I don't trust much of what the govn't tells us
anyway but that's another subject. LOL Corallyn

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The Atkins diet, which I have the cookbook for here, designed for
folk with weight problems and blood-sugar imbalances (with a
specific section on yeast-infection) limits carbs to 20g per day for
2 weeks, gradually increasing until a more 'normal' level, one at
which the person following the program is comfortable, is found.
The point is actually for the body to go into ketosis, therefore
using the resources the body has built up over the years. It's
imperative to drink LOTS of water during this period (as always,
but particularly so) since toxins trapped in fat cells will suddenly
find themselves free to travel around the body, and also to flush
the waste products from digesting protein away. One also needs
to be aware that withdrawal syptoms from carbohydrates will
probably arise, along with the effects of said toxins. I haven't
followed the diet fully, but have felt considerably better since
stopping eating regular breakfast cereal and eating omelette or
bacon or ham. I think this is becoming a circular argument, since
I believe I've said this before. Yes it could be the reduction of
milk in my diet from cutting out cereal, but I think it's the protein-
balance that's more critical to me.

Tracy

On 15 Jul 2000, at 18:02, aworthen wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it bad to cut out
all carbs? I was told
it could send the body int o keytosis and set one up
for kidney
damage/failure.
Amy
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From: Corallyn Berger <hape2day@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: vegans


> A book I read and followed for a while is Protein
> Power by Dr.Michael Eddes(sp). It explains how carbs
> affect the body and also has some good recipes in the
> back. There is also The Low Carbohidrate Cook Book.
> These are both helpful when you don't know how to cut
> your carbs.
>
> > << If you are having problems with wild mood swings
> > and blood sugar levels, it
> > is more likely to be because of something you are
> > eating, not because you
> > aren't eating meat or getting enough protein. Maybe
> > you are getting too many
> > simple carbohydrates or waiting too long between
> > meals. >>
> > Billy,
> > This could be a possibility. I was eating tons of
> > pasta and fresh vegies,
> > little eggs and dairy and almost no meat. So what
> > do you eat? Please share
> > what you have eaten in, say the last 2-3 days, just
> > to give us hopefulls some
> > ideas. I think part of my problem is not know what
> > to eat or how to prepare
> > it so it is tasty. If you could pass along some
> > simple no lose receipes,
> > that would help too......Thanks.
> >
> > Julie
> >
>
>
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Sorry, I misread your post. Your post said cut down carbs. I thought it said
cut out carbs.
Amy
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>
> --- aworthen <aworthen@...> wrote:
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it bad to cut out
> > all carbs? I was told
> > it could send the body int o keytosis and set one up
> > for kidney
> > damage/failure.
> > Amy
>
>
> This book doesn't say to cut all carbs. What it does
> say is that all sugar is the same whether it is in the
> form of fruits and veggies or candy. The body turns it
> all to sugar. When you start the diet (and I mean a
> way of eating, not the traditional deffinition), you
> start in one of 3 phases depending on your fat %, and
> your health i.e. diabetic, heart disease, blood
> preasure, etc. Then over the course of a few weeks you
> add more carbs to the ones you are already taking in.
> By the time you reach phase 3 of the diet you are
> taking in equal amounts of protein and carbs not one
> more or less than the other. You really need to read
> the book. It explains the medical basis of the diet
> and why and how it works as well. My bil is an MD and
> he read the book and agrees that yes it is based on
> medical text books. I guess I also have a hard time
> believing that the high carb diet that the govn't
> endorces is ballanced since we also need protein...and
> since the time they started endorsing the carb diet
> the country has gotten fatter and has more heart,
> blood preassure and blood sugar problems. Aside of
> that I don't trust much of what the govn't tells us
> anyway but that's another subject. LOL Corallyn
>
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Julie,

Friday and Saturday I was away at a homeschooling conference, so you don't
really want to know what I have eaten over the last few days! :-)

It started innocently enough with a bowl of cereal (bran flakes with soy
milk. Most soy milks are slightly sweet, so you don't need to add sugar to
unsweetened cereal. I like plain soy milk, not the vanilla).

Then with boxing up books, loading boxes into the van, driving to the
conference, unloading boxes from the van and then unboxing books and setting
up displays - well you can see it was physically demanding work. Under such
special circumstances, Nancy usually keeps me motivated and going strong by
supplying me with a bag of special "power pellets" that can be found at many
stores. They have a crunchy, protein center derived from a plant overlaid
with a sweet, dark colored high energy compound which is covered with a
hard, brightly colored shell so that they only melt in your mouth, not in
your hand. They go by initials that when combined spell the sound I make
when I eat them! (LOL) A 10 oz bag supplied most of my nutrition for the
rest of the day (I told you didn't want to know!)

That's not typical of course, but I think it points out that being
vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean being some fanatic, ascetic,
nutritionally obsessed oddball. People don't realize how easy it can be to
eat vegetarian, and how many meals are easily adapted.

Breakfast can be cereal. If you are ovo-lacto vegetarian (eat eggs & dairy
products), you can have an omelet or french toast. Pancakes, waffles - are
you feeling deprived yet?

Lunch can be a soup and a sandwich. For canned soups, I like Progresso
Lentil soup. One of my favorite "treat" sandwiches is a toasted bagel with
crisped Breakfast Strips (Morningstar Farms), a slice of tomato, and
lettuce. A BLT never tasted so good!

Dinner can be spaghetti (just no meatballs), pizza, tacos with refried bean
filling instead of meat (most name brand canned refried beans are no longer
made with lard, but check to be sure), lasagna, pierogis, french fries -
lots of "normal" food. And yes, you can have salad too.

If you eat out, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Wendy's, and Subway have the best
selection of fast food vegetarian offering, although we have gone to
McDonald and Burger King and ordered cheeseburgers with lettuce and tomato
instead of the beef.

For more upscale restaurants, Chinese and Italian also tend to have many
selections that are naturally meatless. But as with the fast food, even if
they don't list a meatless offering, they can usually prepare a dish without
meat if you request it.

Most people don't realize that even a generation or two ago, meat was not a
main course the way it is today. It was usually more of a side dish and
portions were much smaller. This is especially true of the South were more
vegetables were available.

Billy

> -----Original Message-----
> So what do you
> eat? Please share
> what you have eaten in, say the last 2-3 days, just to give
> us hopefulls some
> ideas. I think part of my problem is not know what to eat or
> how to prepare
> it so it is tasty. If you could pass along some simple no
> lose receipes,
> that would help too......Thanks.
>
> Julie

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In a message dated 07/15/2000 3:00:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
NumoAstro@... writes:

<<
Say it's not so... Here I am preparing Nature's Healthy Sausage from the
Health food store (soy based I believe) and I was thinking I was at eating
something healthy <g>.. Well at least it's not meat,... one thing at a time
>>

Oh, no don't feel bad! Just wanted to give you a heads up that not all
soy meat replacement products are "healthy". The brand I specifically
know of is Morning Star (but of course their stuff is yummy !!!) to not be
truly considered a health food. We love their chicken-less nuggets and
corn dogs : ) Probably all genetically engineered corn/soy products too
in Morning Star but I don't even want to go there : 0 !!! Your doing just
fine : )

Kathy