need advise on eating habits
momspeapods
I am new to the list and new to unschooling. We have been deschooling
ourselves for about a month now. For the most part I feel it is going
well. We have good days and not so good days. The biggest struggle we
are having is with the eating habits of our two sons. They are young
just 7&5 and have always been rather picky eaters. I was hoping that
allowing them the freedom to make their own decisions over what they
eat, that they would decide to make some better food choices. Instead
they have become worse than ever wanting to eat candy,chips,cookies
and whatever other junk they can find. I know its only been a month
since they have been allowed this freedom but, after a trip to the
dentist with our first cavity I am a bit concerned. I would appreciate
any advise or encouragement anyone has to offer.
I joined this list a little over a month ago and have been encouraged
through other posts. I would like to thank all of you for helping us
to make the decision to change from a burntout homeschooling family
into a loving unschooling family.
Thanks you,
Jenn
ourselves for about a month now. For the most part I feel it is going
well. We have good days and not so good days. The biggest struggle we
are having is with the eating habits of our two sons. They are young
just 7&5 and have always been rather picky eaters. I was hoping that
allowing them the freedom to make their own decisions over what they
eat, that they would decide to make some better food choices. Instead
they have become worse than ever wanting to eat candy,chips,cookies
and whatever other junk they can find. I know its only been a month
since they have been allowed this freedom but, after a trip to the
dentist with our first cavity I am a bit concerned. I would appreciate
any advise or encouragement anyone has to offer.
I joined this list a little over a month ago and have been encouraged
through other posts. I would like to thank all of you for helping us
to make the decision to change from a burntout homeschooling family
into a loving unschooling family.
Thanks you,
Jenn
Sandra Dodd
On Dec 15, 2005, at 10:22 AM, momspeapods wrote:
relationship, isn't it?
Stop struggling.
-=-I was hoping that
allowing them the freedom to make their own decisions over what they
eat, that they would decide to make some better food choices. -=-
#1, drop "decide" above.
People don't "decide" to make choices, they make choices.
You're hoping they will make "some better" food choices.
That means you're still judging foods better and worse, good and
bad. You've done that for their whole lives, probably, and without
intending to do so, you glorified some foods you would rather they
consider mundane and no big deal now. The spotlight was yours, and
now you really have to turn that spotlight off. Off. Not down. Not
temporarily off.
-=-Instead
they have become worse than ever wanting to eat candy,chips,cookies
and whatever other junk they can find. -=-
"Worse" and "junk" will need to be weeded out of your thought
processes on this, or it's really not going to work.
"Worse than ever" implies they've always wanted to eat candy, chips
and cookies.
If you're sure you know what foods are "junk" why don't you know what
information is junk? TV shows? Video games? If you know and you're
SURE you know, then why not just control your children's access?
Don't give them choices.
If you doubt that you know,and if you believe (or are coming to
believe) that they might still learn and be happy and healthy even
though they make different choices than yours, then unschooling
might work.
It's only been a month. It might take more than that for them to get
as much candy as they feel they've missed in five or seven years.
You scarcified it and made it valuable. Let them gorge. They'll get
over it. If you don't let them have it now, they will continue to
crave it, sneak it, and pack it in. Make it plentiful, and that will
make it less desireable.
-=-I know its only been a month
since they have been allowed this freedom but, after a trip to the
dentist with our first cavity I am a bit concerned.-=-
Nobody got a cavity in one month. I hope you haven't led them to
believe that without the past month's freedoms there would've been no
cavity.
Please read lots of this:
http://sandradodd.com/
and all of this:
http://sandradodd.com/t/economics
It's by Pam Sorooshian, and is "Economics of Restricting TV Watching
of Children." It will apply to food too.
Sandra
> The biggest struggle we"Struggle" is a word that can only be used in an adversarial
> are having is with the eating habits of our two sons
relationship, isn't it?
Stop struggling.
-=-I was hoping that
allowing them the freedom to make their own decisions over what they
eat, that they would decide to make some better food choices. -=-
#1, drop "decide" above.
People don't "decide" to make choices, they make choices.
You're hoping they will make "some better" food choices.
That means you're still judging foods better and worse, good and
bad. You've done that for their whole lives, probably, and without
intending to do so, you glorified some foods you would rather they
consider mundane and no big deal now. The spotlight was yours, and
now you really have to turn that spotlight off. Off. Not down. Not
temporarily off.
-=-Instead
they have become worse than ever wanting to eat candy,chips,cookies
and whatever other junk they can find. -=-
"Worse" and "junk" will need to be weeded out of your thought
processes on this, or it's really not going to work.
"Worse than ever" implies they've always wanted to eat candy, chips
and cookies.
If you're sure you know what foods are "junk" why don't you know what
information is junk? TV shows? Video games? If you know and you're
SURE you know, then why not just control your children's access?
Don't give them choices.
If you doubt that you know,and if you believe (or are coming to
believe) that they might still learn and be happy and healthy even
though they make different choices than yours, then unschooling
might work.
It's only been a month. It might take more than that for them to get
as much candy as they feel they've missed in five or seven years.
You scarcified it and made it valuable. Let them gorge. They'll get
over it. If you don't let them have it now, they will continue to
crave it, sneak it, and pack it in. Make it plentiful, and that will
make it less desireable.
-=-I know its only been a month
since they have been allowed this freedom but, after a trip to the
dentist with our first cavity I am a bit concerned.-=-
Nobody got a cavity in one month. I hope you haven't led them to
believe that without the past month's freedoms there would've been no
cavity.
Please read lots of this:
http://sandradodd.com/
and all of this:
http://sandradodd.com/t/economics
It's by Pam Sorooshian, and is "Economics of Restricting TV Watching
of Children." It will apply to food too.
Sandra
Schuyler Waynforth
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd
<Sandra@S...> wrote:
this year. One of the first things their daughter ever said to me was
that she didn't eat sweets 'cause they were bad for her. I made some
noncommital noise. Or maybe repeated what she said or something.
Anyhow, when she came to ours I found her in the kitchen on more than
one occasion very quietly putting her hand in our very public and full
candy bowl. It's right next to the fruit. It's often full of things
that I have to throw away because they've melted as neither Simon nor
Linnaea want to eat them. We had gum in the bowl. Sugar-free gum
because the dentist suggested that Linnaea's weak teeth might do well
with frequent gum chewing and that her cavities had little to do with
what she ate. This little girl had never had gum before and Linnaea
showed her how to chew it, but she kept eating it. Slowly and with
careful little bites chewing it and swallowing it. She made sure that
her mother and stepfather never saw. Eventually she was found out.
The scene was so painful. They leapt on her and screeched about how
gum is a petroleum product so she was swallowing a lump of petroleum.
David and I intervened a little, but probably not enough. I always
feel so awkward in those situations. We tried to make light of the
situation and are now weighing whether we want to ever have them over
again.
The little girl was completely screwed from the beginning. Because
she has limited access to sweets, pretty much completely, it is the
holy grail of foods. Whenever she comes over she will gorge because
she will never not know scarcity. She will never trust that the sweet
flavor will be something that she can experience with any kind of
regularity. And her parents can point at that response and use it to
justify their reticence to let her have sweets.
article. Take the time. It succinctly puts what I could babble on
about and never phrase perfectly in many e-mails.
Schuyler
<Sandra@S...> wrote:
>Sneaking is horrible. We had a family over to celebrate Thanksgiving
>
>
>
> It's only been a month. It might take more than that for them to get
> as much candy as they feel they've missed in five or seven years.
> You scarcified it and made it valuable. Let them gorge. They'll get
> over it. If you don't let them have it now, they will continue to
> crave it, sneak it, and pack it in. Make it plentiful, and that will
> make it less desireable.
this year. One of the first things their daughter ever said to me was
that she didn't eat sweets 'cause they were bad for her. I made some
noncommital noise. Or maybe repeated what she said or something.
Anyhow, when she came to ours I found her in the kitchen on more than
one occasion very quietly putting her hand in our very public and full
candy bowl. It's right next to the fruit. It's often full of things
that I have to throw away because they've melted as neither Simon nor
Linnaea want to eat them. We had gum in the bowl. Sugar-free gum
because the dentist suggested that Linnaea's weak teeth might do well
with frequent gum chewing and that her cavities had little to do with
what she ate. This little girl had never had gum before and Linnaea
showed her how to chew it, but she kept eating it. Slowly and with
careful little bites chewing it and swallowing it. She made sure that
her mother and stepfather never saw. Eventually she was found out.
The scene was so painful. They leapt on her and screeched about how
gum is a petroleum product so she was swallowing a lump of petroleum.
David and I intervened a little, but probably not enough. I always
feel so awkward in those situations. We tried to make light of the
situation and are now weighing whether we want to ever have them over
again.
The little girl was completely screwed from the beginning. Because
she has limited access to sweets, pretty much completely, it is the
holy grail of foods. Whenever she comes over she will gorge because
she will never not know scarcity. She will never trust that the sweet
flavor will be something that she can experience with any kind of
regularity. And her parents can point at that response and use it to
justify their reticence to let her have sweets.
>Pam's piece on marginal value/utility is such a wonderful must be read
> Please read lots of this:
> http://sandradodd.com/
> and all of this:
> http://sandradodd.com/t/economics
>
> It's by Pam Sorooshian, and is "Economics of Restricting TV Watching
> of Children." It will apply to food too.
>
> Sandra
>
article. Take the time. It succinctly puts what I could babble on
about and never phrase perfectly in many e-mails.
Schuyler
Deb
I've got a 7 1/2 yr old DS who has never been regulated in his
eating (that is, beyond the real world constraints of budget and
such). About a year or so ago, he 'discovered' swiss cake rolls
(chocolate cake rolled up with cream and coated with chocolate
similar to a mini-jelly roll). Boy did he want them - first thing in
the morning, before bed, and in between. We'd pick up a box at the
market each week and he kept eating them up and waiting until the
next box. One week, I noted they were on special 5 boxes for $5. So,
when we got to that spot in the market I told DS to get 5 boxes.
You'd've thought I handed him $1000! His eyes lit up, his face was
glowing, as he piled in the 5 boxes. When we got home, he ate some.
Next day he ate more. Third day not as many. By the time we got to
the 3rd box, they were mostly sitting there and I was taking one
packet (they are packaged in pairs within the larger box) to work
each day in my lunch and he hasn't looked at them since. He's done
the same with Jello puddings (the premade kind) and other things.
Through it all, we still have other foods available for him and he
eats them as well. And he is now developing his own sense of balance
about food - he'll -choose- to eat some cheese and crackers or
something in and around sweets at a party for instance. He knows he
just feels better that way and has more energy, less frustration.
We've talked about the roles of protein, vitamins, carbs, sugary
foods, etc. Not in 'better or worse' terms but just basic what they
do in your body stuff.
One reason, aside from simply finally being free, that what is
generally classed as 'junk food' might be a current target is that
it is easy access - single serving perhaps or already bite sized or
no cooking/prep needed, easy to eat while watching a movie or
playing a game. That's a big move toward independence plus it's
available immediately when they feel like eating. In amongst it all,
how about bringing them some cut up fruit and veggies (whatever they
usually like) with some fun dips - peanut butter, or yogurt dip, or
cream cheese and honey (this is nice with apple slices - add a
spritz of cinnamon), or ranch dip, or whatever; cubes of cheese or
strng cheese or cheese shapes (get slices of favorite cheese -
provolone, american, cheddar, etc and use mini-cookie cutters to
make shapes) with some crackers. Include chips or pretzels or
whatever alongside as well. Basically, make all things easy access.
Snacks about every 2 to 3 hrs are about what works with my DS - if
he goes too long, he heads for whatever he can grab quickly (which
may be an apple, may be a pudding cup). But then again I do the same
thing if I get really hungry.
--Deb
eating (that is, beyond the real world constraints of budget and
such). About a year or so ago, he 'discovered' swiss cake rolls
(chocolate cake rolled up with cream and coated with chocolate
similar to a mini-jelly roll). Boy did he want them - first thing in
the morning, before bed, and in between. We'd pick up a box at the
market each week and he kept eating them up and waiting until the
next box. One week, I noted they were on special 5 boxes for $5. So,
when we got to that spot in the market I told DS to get 5 boxes.
You'd've thought I handed him $1000! His eyes lit up, his face was
glowing, as he piled in the 5 boxes. When we got home, he ate some.
Next day he ate more. Third day not as many. By the time we got to
the 3rd box, they were mostly sitting there and I was taking one
packet (they are packaged in pairs within the larger box) to work
each day in my lunch and he hasn't looked at them since. He's done
the same with Jello puddings (the premade kind) and other things.
Through it all, we still have other foods available for him and he
eats them as well. And he is now developing his own sense of balance
about food - he'll -choose- to eat some cheese and crackers or
something in and around sweets at a party for instance. He knows he
just feels better that way and has more energy, less frustration.
We've talked about the roles of protein, vitamins, carbs, sugary
foods, etc. Not in 'better or worse' terms but just basic what they
do in your body stuff.
One reason, aside from simply finally being free, that what is
generally classed as 'junk food' might be a current target is that
it is easy access - single serving perhaps or already bite sized or
no cooking/prep needed, easy to eat while watching a movie or
playing a game. That's a big move toward independence plus it's
available immediately when they feel like eating. In amongst it all,
how about bringing them some cut up fruit and veggies (whatever they
usually like) with some fun dips - peanut butter, or yogurt dip, or
cream cheese and honey (this is nice with apple slices - add a
spritz of cinnamon), or ranch dip, or whatever; cubes of cheese or
strng cheese or cheese shapes (get slices of favorite cheese -
provolone, american, cheddar, etc and use mini-cookie cutters to
make shapes) with some crackers. Include chips or pretzels or
whatever alongside as well. Basically, make all things easy access.
Snacks about every 2 to 3 hrs are about what works with my DS - if
he goes too long, he heads for whatever he can grab quickly (which
may be an apple, may be a pudding cup). But then again I do the same
thing if I get really hungry.
--Deb
[email protected]
Thank you for your quick response. You are absolutely right! I wasn't even aware that I was still trying to control what choices my children make. All though I no longer make their decisions I am still judging the decisions they make. Thank you for opening my eyes.
As for the dentist, I would never let my child believe his sugar binges were the cause of his first cavity. He however told the dentist about how mommy has been letting him eat all the "Junk food he wants". So he is aware of the harmful effects of the sugar on his teeth.
Jenn
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:52:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] need advise on eating habits
As for the dentist, I would never let my child believe his sugar binges were the cause of his first cavity. He however told the dentist about how mommy has been letting him eat all the "Junk food he wants". So he is aware of the harmful effects of the sugar on his teeth.
Jenn
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Dodd <Sandra@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:52:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] need advise on eating habits
On Dec 15, 2005, at 10:22 AM, momspeapods wrote:
> The biggest struggle we
> are having is with the eating habits of our two sons
"Struggle" is a word that can only be used in an adversarial
relationship, isn't it?
Stop struggling.
-=-I was hoping that
allowing them the freedom to make their own decisions over what they
eat, that they would decide to make some better food choices. -=-
#1, drop "decide" above.
People don't "decide" to make choices, they make choices.
You're hoping they will make "some better" food choices.
That means you're still judging foods better and worse, good and
bad. You've done that for their whole lives, probably, and without
intending to do so, you glorified some foods you would rather they
consider mundane and no big deal now. The spotlight was yours, and
now you really have to turn that spotlight off. Off. Not down. Not
temporarily off.
-=-Instead
they have become worse than ever wanting to eat candy,chips,cookies
and whatever other junk they can find. -=-
"Worse" and "junk" will need to be weeded out of your thought
processes on this, or it's really not going to work.
"Worse than ever" implies they've always wanted to eat candy, chips
and cookies.
If you're sure you know what foods are "junk" why don't you know what
information is junk? TV shows? Video games? If you know and you're
SURE you know, then why not just control your children's access?
Don't give them choices.
If you doubt that you know,and if you believe (or are coming to
believe) that they might still learn and be happy and healthy even
though they make different choices than yours, then unschooling
might work.
It's only been a month. It might take more than that for them to get
as much candy as they feel they've missed in five or seven years.
You scarcified it and made it valuable. Let them gorge. They'll get
over it. If you don't let them have it now, they will continue to
crave it, sneak it, and pack it in. Make it plentiful, and that will
make it less desireable.
-=-I know its only been a month
since they have been allowed this freedom but, after a trip to the
dentist with our first cavity I am a bit concerned.-=-
Nobody got a cavity in one month. I hope you haven't led them to
believe that without the past month's freedoms there would've been no
cavity.
Please read lots of this:
http://sandradodd.com/
and all of this:
http://sandradodd.com/t/economics
It's by Pam Sorooshian, and is "Economics of Restricting TV Watching
of Children." It will apply to food too.
Sandra
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> >That first link should have been
> > Please read lots of this:
> > http://sandradodd.com/
> > and all of this:
> http://sandradodd.com/t/economics
http://sandradodd.com/food
(Sorry)
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Sandra Dodd
> He however told the dentist about how mommy has been letting him-----------------
> eat all the "Junk food he wants". So he is aware of the harmful
> effects of the sugar on his teeth.
That doesn't mean "he is aware of..."
It means he fears it or believes it.
Much of what we "know" about dental carries is untrue and non-
scientific.
Sugar by itself doesn't hurt teeth. If one has the bacteria, which
are passed as a contagion, they thrive better with sugar for THEM to
eat, but there are ways to get sugar out of your mouth. And candy is
no more "sugar" from the point of view of a bacterium than bread or a
cracker or a potato is.
I'm not trying to pick on you, and I hope it doesn't seem so. When
we live in someone else's pre-designed chute it's easy to just keep
moving forward and the walls keep you going the same direction as
everyone else.
Unschooling is going to involve being open to a changing world and
not clinging inflexibly to any "truths" about times tables or age &
reading level or "education" or schedules or... cavities.
What people knew as truth a thousand years ago evolved and changed as
they learned more. Five hundred years ago... things changed. Things
are still changing. It doesn't matter that I got straight A's in
health and had a first-aid certificate in the 1960's. Almost every
bit of that has changed. Current recommendations are almost entirely
different now.
What might help is to qualify your statements as often as you can
with things like "I think" and "as far as I know" or "some experts
think..." and that will make it easier to change directions if you
find a need to. It will help your child learn to do the same too.
If a mom says "This *IS* that" how does the child learn what "is"
means and what the relationship between the this and the that are?
Help him learn to think clearly by modeling clarity and showing him
your thought processes.
Sandra
Sandra Dodd
On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Deb wrote:
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Efetteroll/rejoycing/influencing%20kid%
20behavior/food/convenientsnacks.html
http://sandradodd.com/eating/more
> Basically, make all things easy access.Lots of kid-snack ideas are here:
> Snacks about every 2 to 3 hrs are about what works with my DS - if
> he goes too long, he heads for whatever he can grab quickly (which
> may be an apple, may be a pudding cup).
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Efetteroll/rejoycing/influencing%20kid%
20behavior/food/convenientsnacks.html
http://sandradodd.com/eating/more
Rebecca DeLong
I was wondering if anyone knew, can the leap pad Quantum books be used on the regular leap pad system?
I'm not finding the anwser on the leap pad web site.
The boys have asked for more leap pad books for xmas, and I don't really want to buy a new system if I don't have to.
Thanx
~Rebecca
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I'm not finding the anwser on the leap pad web site.
The boys have asked for more leap pad books for xmas, and I don't really want to buy a new system if I don't have to.
Thanx
~Rebecca
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according to my 11 and 7 year old boys, no, the Quantum books cannot be
used on a regular leap pad, but that the regular books can be used on
the Quantum pad.
Hope that helps!
Heather
Rebecca DeLong wrote:
used on a regular leap pad, but that the regular books can be used on
the Quantum pad.
Hope that helps!
Heather
Rebecca DeLong wrote:
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> The boys have asked for more leap pad books for xmas, and I don't
> really want to buy a new system if I don't have to.
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> Thanx
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> ~Rebecca
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on 12/15/05 2:08 PM, Rebecca DeLong at elfmama_2@... wrote:
I was wondering if anyone knew, can the leap pad Quantum books be used on
the regular leap pad system?
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Kathleen
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on 12/15/05 2:08 PM, Rebecca DeLong at elfmama_2@... wrote:
I was wondering if anyone knew, can the leap pad Quantum books be used on
the regular leap pad system?
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Christy Mahoney
Yes, Rebecca. We have a regular Leap pad, and we can use the
Quantum cartridges with it.
-Christy
--- In [email protected], Rebecca DeLong
<elfmama_2@y...> wrote:
Quantum cartridges with it.
-Christy
--- In [email protected], Rebecca DeLong
<elfmama_2@y...> wrote:
>used on the regular leap pad system?
> I was wondering if anyone knew, can the leap pad Quantum books be
>don't really want to buy a new system if I don't have to.
> I'm not finding the anwser on the leap pad web site.
>
> The boys have asked for more leap pad books for xmas, and I
>don't help."
> Thanx
>
> ~Rebecca
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> You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants
> -Calvin
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Yes, the quantum books and the regular leap pad learning center books are interchangeable. The quantum system is a different color and has the higher level books, but otherwise they are the same thing.
My 10 yod enjoys the Making Movies and Brain Twisters, which is her favorite.
Mary Ellen
My 10 yod enjoys the Making Movies and Brain Twisters, which is her favorite.
Mary Ellen
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I was wondering if anyone knew, can the leap pad Quantum books be used on the regular leap pad system?
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Rebecca DeLong
Thanx everyone. It opens up a whole lot more options. :)
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I bought the Quantum system. I think you can play the regular books on it, but not vise versa. That is, I don't think you can play the Quantum LP system on the Regular System.
Christy
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As for myself I noticed my child will eat what I am
having for dinner and tell me the things he doesn't
like than he just removes them from his plate. At
breakfast he gets two choices toast or cereal. I have
low blood sugar and so he doe too, so he is at a point
where he will tell another adult offering sugar to him
that it is not a good idea.
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having for dinner and tell me the things he doesn't
like than he just removes them from his plate. At
breakfast he gets two choices toast or cereal. I have
low blood sugar and so he doe too, so he is at a point
where he will tell another adult offering sugar to him
that it is not a good idea.
> I am new to the list and new to unschooling. We have__________________________________________________
> been deschooling
> ourselves for about a month now. For the most part I
> feel it is going
> well. We have good days and not so good days. The
> biggest struggle we
> are having is with the eating habits of our two
> sons. They are young
> just 7&5 and have always been rather picky eaters. I
> was hoping that
> allowing them the freedom to make their own
> decisions over what they
> eat, that they would decide to make some better food
> choices. Instead
> they have become worse than ever wanting to eat
> candy,chips,cookies
> and whatever other junk they can find. I know its
> only been a month
> since they have been allowed this freedom but, after
> a trip to the
> dentist with our first cavity I am a bit concerned.
> I would appreciate
> any advise or encouragement anyone has to offer.
>
> I joined this list a little over a month ago and
> have been encouraged
> through other posts. I would like to thank all of
> you for helping us
> to make the decision to change from a burntout
> homeschooling family
> into a loving unschooling family.
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> Thanks you,
> Jenn
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First I want to remind new members of the request to read for two
weeks before posting.
You didn't mention his age.
Having to reject something isn't as pleasant a feeling as requesting
and receiving. Maybe he should only have on his plate things he
wants there.
-=-At
breakfast he gets two choices toast or cereal. I have
low blood sugar and so he doe too-=-
That doesn't necessarily follow, that you have it and so he does too,
does it?
And both toast and cereal are carbohydrate, and therefor sugar.
-=-...so he is at a point
where he will tell another adult offering sugar to him
that it is not a good idea.-=-
"So" was used twice in a sentence. It's not a "therefor" situation.
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weeks before posting.
> As for myself I noticed my child will eat what I am-------------------------------------------
> having for dinner and tell me the things he doesn't
> like than he just removes them from his plate.
You didn't mention his age.
Having to reject something isn't as pleasant a feeling as requesting
and receiving. Maybe he should only have on his plate things he
wants there.
-=-At
breakfast he gets two choices toast or cereal. I have
low blood sugar and so he doe too-=-
That doesn't necessarily follow, that you have it and so he does too,
does it?
And both toast and cereal are carbohydrate, and therefor sugar.
-=-...so he is at a point
where he will tell another adult offering sugar to him
that it is not a good idea.-=-
"So" was used twice in a sentence. It's not a "therefor" situation.
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Deb
--- In [email protected], SATCH SUMNER
<satchmo10014@y...> wrote:
mentioned, bread and cereal are carbs which, by themselves, react as
sugars glycemically. You might have simply been shorthanding things
and presuming that us readers would 'know' that you included protein
with the carbs to slow the absorbtion of the sugars and keep the
blood sugar more stable over time. I too tend toward low blood sugar
but neither DH nor DS exhibit the same situation. I can only surmise
that you've already noted the same tendencies in your DS so you act
on that, rather than simply presuming that since you have low blood
sugar, so does he.
As far as dinner plates, we do it opposite of what you note - we
don't fill DS' plate and then have him remove items. We ask if he
wants A, if he wants B, and so on - he chooses what goes on his
plate in the first place of what is on the table. Or he can choose
something else (he's been known to choose oatmeal over hot dogs).
--Deb
<satchmo10014@y...> wrote:
>Toast with peanut butter? Cereal with soy milk perhaps? As was
> As for myself I noticed my child will eat what I am
> having for dinner and tell me the things he doesn't
> like than he just removes them from his plate. At
> breakfast he gets two choices toast or cereal. I have
> low blood sugar and so he doe too, so he is at a point
> where he will tell another adult offering sugar to him
> that it is not a good idea.
mentioned, bread and cereal are carbs which, by themselves, react as
sugars glycemically. You might have simply been shorthanding things
and presuming that us readers would 'know' that you included protein
with the carbs to slow the absorbtion of the sugars and keep the
blood sugar more stable over time. I too tend toward low blood sugar
but neither DH nor DS exhibit the same situation. I can only surmise
that you've already noted the same tendencies in your DS so you act
on that, rather than simply presuming that since you have low blood
sugar, so does he.
As far as dinner plates, we do it opposite of what you note - we
don't fill DS' plate and then have him remove items. We ask if he
wants A, if he wants B, and so on - he chooses what goes on his
plate in the first place of what is on the table. Or he can choose
something else (he's been known to choose oatmeal over hot dogs).
--Deb
Ren Allen
"Or he can choose
something else (he's been known to choose oatmeal over hot dogs)."
This sounds like Jared. He lived on almost nothing but oatmeal for a
period in his life...still loves the stuff. I just kept chanting "it
has some protein, it has some protein.." when he ate it so often. He's
a very thin person anyway, so it took some self talk to get through
that.:)
I can't imagine only two choices for breakfast!! My kids adore crepes
and waffles, we also have been known to eat salad or pizza or other
non-breakfasty items.
Ren
something else (he's been known to choose oatmeal over hot dogs)."
This sounds like Jared. He lived on almost nothing but oatmeal for a
period in his life...still loves the stuff. I just kept chanting "it
has some protein, it has some protein.." when he ate it so often. He's
a very thin person anyway, so it took some self talk to get through
that.:)
I can't imagine only two choices for breakfast!! My kids adore crepes
and waffles, we also have been known to eat salad or pizza or other
non-breakfasty items.
Ren
April
One of Karl's favorite breakfast items is a bologna and cheese sandwich.
And Ben's favorite lunch is a bowl of cereal (and he's not one for protein,
so I have the same self-talk!) and one of my favorite dinners is pancakes
with sausage. Food is food, it doesn't really matter when it's eaten.
There are lots of easy breakfast combinations that aren't really any more
work than cereal or toast.
~April
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To: [email protected]
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] need advise on eating habits
"Or he can choose
something else (he's been known to choose oatmeal over hot dogs)."
This sounds like Jared. He lived on almost nothing but oatmeal for a
period in his life...still loves the stuff. I just kept chanting "it
has some protein, it has some protein.." when he ate it so often. He's
a very thin person anyway, so it took some self talk to get through
that.:)
I can't imagine only two choices for breakfast!! My kids adore crepes
and waffles, we also have been known to eat salad or pizza or other
non-breakfasty items.
Ren
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And Ben's favorite lunch is a bowl of cereal (and he's not one for protein,
so I have the same self-talk!) and one of my favorite dinners is pancakes
with sausage. Food is food, it doesn't really matter when it's eaten.
There are lots of easy breakfast combinations that aren't really any more
work than cereal or toast.
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Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 11:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] need advise on eating habits
"Or he can choose
something else (he's been known to choose oatmeal over hot dogs)."
This sounds like Jared. He lived on almost nothing but oatmeal for a
period in his life...still loves the stuff. I just kept chanting "it
has some protein, it has some protein.." when he ate it so often. He's
a very thin person anyway, so it took some self talk to get through
that.:)
I can't imagine only two choices for breakfast!! My kids adore crepes
and waffles, we also have been known to eat salad or pizza or other
non-breakfasty items.
Ren
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--- In [email protected], "April"
<abmorris23@c...> wrote:
even knowing he could nuke it quickly to have it warm, he chose
cold. We -always- stir in a bit of olive oil as soon as the pasta is
drained so it doesn't get clumpy when cooled but *never* add the
tomato sauce (DS prefers without sauce so that stays separate) so he
just munched away.
Currently a favorite oatmeal topping is chips - not potato lol - DH
uses cinnamon chips, DS likes white chocolate swirl chips (both
found in the baking aisle next to the plain chocolate chips). And
both like a sprinkle of raisins as well. Much as I love chocolate
chips (I put them on my Cheerios), I don't like them on oatmeal. Go
figure. lol
One thing that I *love* about our microwave is that it has an
oatmeal pre-set and an omelette pre-set so DS can make those things
all on his own (makes him happy too) without having to figure times
and power settings and all.
--Deb
<abmorris23@c...> wrote:
>There have been times when DS ate cold leftover pasta for breakfast -
> One of Karl's favorite breakfast items is a bologna and cheese
>sandwich.
> And Ben's favorite lunch is a bowl of cereal (and he's not one for
>protein,
> so I have the same self-talk!) and one of my favorite dinners is
>pancakes
> with sausage. Food is food, it doesn't really matter when it's
>eaten.
> There are lots of easy breakfast combinations that aren't really
>any >more
> work than cereal or toast.
>
even knowing he could nuke it quickly to have it warm, he chose
cold. We -always- stir in a bit of olive oil as soon as the pasta is
drained so it doesn't get clumpy when cooled but *never* add the
tomato sauce (DS prefers without sauce so that stays separate) so he
just munched away.
Currently a favorite oatmeal topping is chips - not potato lol - DH
uses cinnamon chips, DS likes white chocolate swirl chips (both
found in the baking aisle next to the plain chocolate chips). And
both like a sprinkle of raisins as well. Much as I love chocolate
chips (I put them on my Cheerios), I don't like them on oatmeal. Go
figure. lol
One thing that I *love* about our microwave is that it has an
oatmeal pre-set and an omelette pre-set so DS can make those things
all on his own (makes him happy too) without having to figure times
and power settings and all.
--Deb
Ren Allen
" Much as I love chocolate
chips (I put them on my Cheerios), I don't like them on oatmeal."
Speaking of oatmeal toppings, my kids LOVE icecream swirled into their
oatmeal...that's Markus's influence at work. He loves a big 'ol blob
of ice cream AND some jam in his oatmeal. It looks absolutely
disgusting to me, but it's his fave. He looks like a middle aged man,
but he's really a kid in disguise.:)
Ren
chips (I put them on my Cheerios), I don't like them on oatmeal."
Speaking of oatmeal toppings, my kids LOVE icecream swirled into their
oatmeal...that's Markus's influence at work. He loves a big 'ol blob
of ice cream AND some jam in his oatmeal. It looks absolutely
disgusting to me, but it's his fave. He looks like a middle aged man,
but he's really a kid in disguise.:)
Ren
Deb
--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@c...> wrote:
put a bit of butter and milk on my oatmeal (plus some sweetness -
honey, or sugar, or maple syrup, or brown sugar). I don't know,
though, if I'd want something frozen cold blopped on top. I want my
oatmeal nice and hot mostly. DH likes to put a blob of peanut butter
on his ice cream though - he's a kid in the guise of a big bearded
bear :-)
--Deb
<starsuncloud@c...> wrote:
>LOL! The jam I can see and the ice cream sort of makes sense since I
> " Much as I love chocolate
> chips (I put them on my Cheerios), I don't like them on oatmeal."
>
> Speaking of oatmeal toppings, my kids LOVE icecream swirled into
>their
> oatmeal...that's Markus's influence at work. He loves a big 'ol blob
> of ice cream AND some jam in his oatmeal. It looks absolutely
> disgusting to me, but it's his fave. He looks like a middle aged
>man,
> but he's really a kid in disguise.:)
>
> Ren
>
put a bit of butter and milk on my oatmeal (plus some sweetness -
honey, or sugar, or maple syrup, or brown sugar). I don't know,
though, if I'd want something frozen cold blopped on top. I want my
oatmeal nice and hot mostly. DH likes to put a blob of peanut butter
on his ice cream though - he's a kid in the guise of a big bearded
bear :-)
--Deb
April
Actually, that's a great idea! My kids don't like anything really hot and
they don't want to wait for it to cool, so they usually add a bit of milk
and an ice-cube. A scoop of ice-cream would serve both purposes! Wait until
I tell them this idea, they'll love it!
~April
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Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] need advise on eating habits
" Much as I love chocolate
chips (I put them on my Cheerios), I don't like them on oatmeal."
Speaking of oatmeal toppings, my kids LOVE icecream swirled into their
oatmeal...that's Markus's influence at work. He loves a big 'ol blob
of ice cream AND some jam in his oatmeal. It looks absolutely
disgusting to me, but it's his fave. He looks like a middle aged man,
but he's really a kid in disguise.:)
Ren
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they don't want to wait for it to cool, so they usually add a bit of milk
and an ice-cube. A scoop of ice-cream would serve both purposes! Wait until
I tell them this idea, they'll love it!
~April
Mom to Kate-19, Lisa-16, Karl-14, & Ben-10.
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ren Allen
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:11 AM
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Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] need advise on eating habits
" Much as I love chocolate
chips (I put them on my Cheerios), I don't like them on oatmeal."
Speaking of oatmeal toppings, my kids LOVE icecream swirled into their
oatmeal...that's Markus's influence at work. He loves a big 'ol blob
of ice cream AND some jam in his oatmeal. It looks absolutely
disgusting to me, but it's his fave. He looks like a middle aged man,
but he's really a kid in disguise.:)
Ren
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Sandra Dodd
On Dec 20, 2005, at 8:29 AM, April wrote:
we've used milk, or whipped cream.
Ice cream does sound like a fun thing for cooling, sweetening and
"milking" it up.
Sandra
> My kids don't like anything really hot andWe've put chocolate syrup in kids' Malt-o-Meal and oatmeal. And
> they don't want to wait for it to cool, so they usually add a bit
> of milk
> and an ice-cube. A scoop of ice-cream would serve both purposes!
we've used milk, or whipped cream.
Ice cream does sound like a fun thing for cooling, sweetening and
"milking" it up.
Sandra
Deb
--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd
<Sandra@S...> wrote:
didn't come out quite as creamy as I like (I like to cook my oatmeal
thick then thin it with milk but the heavy cream just kind of soaked
in). I might try it with a bit of cinnamon and vanilla ice cream -
oh and maybe some diced apple - it'd be like pie a la mode!!!!mmmm
--Deb
<Sandra@S...> wrote:
>I've used whipped cream before too and heavy cream as well but it
>
> On Dec 20, 2005, at 8:29 AM, April wrote:
>
> > My kids don't like anything really hot and
> > they don't want to wait for it to cool, so they usually add a
>bit
> > of milk
> > and an ice-cube. A scoop of ice-cream would serve both purposes!
>
> We've put chocolate syrup in kids' Malt-o-Meal and oatmeal. And
> we've used milk, or whipped cream.
> Ice cream does sound like a fun thing for cooling, sweetening and
> "milking" it up.
>
>
> Sandra
didn't come out quite as creamy as I like (I like to cook my oatmeal
thick then thin it with milk but the heavy cream just kind of soaked
in). I might try it with a bit of cinnamon and vanilla ice cream -
oh and maybe some diced apple - it'd be like pie a la mode!!!!mmmm
--Deb
Joanne
One of the things that helped us was to take it slow, one step at a
time. My three were in foster care when we adopted them and food was
a big issue with them. Some of the things we did was:
Here's what I did: *I posted this on unschoolinginfo and copied it
here*
**I started by asking if they were ready for breakfast, lunch or
snack instead of just making it and giving it to them. To my
surprise, my daughters are having breakfast about an hour later than
I would have been giving it to them.
**I've also started asking them what they want for breakfast, lunch
or snack instead of just making one of the things I know they like
and just giving it to them.
**I've also stopped limited cookies and cakes. When they want
cookies for a snack, I very casually hand them the bag and ask them
to put it away when they're finished....intead of taking out 3-4
cookies and telling them that's all they can have if they ask for
more. I've found that they eat less cookies now.
I hope some of this helps and maybe gives you some ideas.
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
http://anunschoolinglife.blogspot.com/
www.foreverparents.com
--- In [email protected], "momspeapods"
<jagreensboro@a...> wrote:
time. My three were in foster care when we adopted them and food was
a big issue with them. Some of the things we did was:
Here's what I did: *I posted this on unschoolinginfo and copied it
here*
**I started by asking if they were ready for breakfast, lunch or
snack instead of just making it and giving it to them. To my
surprise, my daughters are having breakfast about an hour later than
I would have been giving it to them.
**I've also started asking them what they want for breakfast, lunch
or snack instead of just making one of the things I know they like
and just giving it to them.
**I've also stopped limited cookies and cakes. When they want
cookies for a snack, I very casually hand them the bag and ask them
to put it away when they're finished....intead of taking out 3-4
cookies and telling them that's all they can have if they ask for
more. I've found that they eat less cookies now.
I hope some of this helps and maybe gives you some ideas.
~ Joanne ~
Mom to Jacqueline (7), Shawna (10) & Cimion (13)
Adopted into our hearts October 30, 2003
http://anunschoolinglife.blogspot.com/
www.foreverparents.com
--- In [email protected], "momspeapods"
<jagreensboro@a...> wrote:
>deschooling
> I am new to the list and new to unschooling. We have been
> ourselves for about a month now. For the most part I feel it isgoing
> well. We have good days and not so good days. The biggest strugglewe
> are having is with the eating habits of our two sons. They areyoung
> just 7&5 and have always been rather picky eaters. I was hopingthat
> allowing them the freedom to make their own decisions over whatthey
> eat, that they would decide to make some better food choices.Instead
> they have become worse than ever wanting to eatcandy,chips,cookies
> and whatever other junk they can find. I know its only been amonth
> since they have been allowed this freedom but, after a trip to theappreciate
> dentist with our first cavity I am a bit concerned. I would
> any advise or encouragement anyone has to offer.encouraged
>
> I joined this list a little over a month ago and have been
> through other posts. I would like to thank all of you for helpingus
> to make the decision to change from a burntout homeschoolingfamily
> into a loving unschooling family.
>
> Thanks you,
> Jenn
>