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In a message dated 12/13/2005 9:33:54 AM Central Standard Time,
jachiebell1@... writes:

his picninny mom


~~~

Just curious. What does this word picninny mean to you?

Add an "a" between the first two syllables and it has a racist, derogatory
meaning in my area and I was wondering if this was a different word, different
spelling or different meaning.

Thanks,
Karen


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elainegh8

I was going to ask the same thing. I live in the UK and it's not
really used here anymore as a racist term (it's a fairly archaic
word now) but with an 'a' in the middle it was definitely a racist
term here too, although one used by the upper classes mostly, and
usually pre 1960.

BWs Elaine

> his picninny mom
>
>
> ~~~
>
> Just curious. What does this word picninny mean to you?
>
> Add an "a" between the first two syllables and it has a racist,
derogatory
> meaning in my area and I was wondering if this was a different
word, different
> spelling or different meaning.
>
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Rachel Oglesby

picninny- I know the deragatory definition and didn't even think
about it. I was looking at my self as being a person who picks every
little thing to be a ninny over. I would panic over the slightest
thing. That was me - Heck I even ironed those receiveing blankets....

Amazing that from my post that is what was picked up and not one
comment on my son's severed finger.... Even though the context of the
word in the sentence did not indicate the racial slur.

Speaking of words- In High school I learned **Blitzkrieg** Never knew
the real definition- cept associated it with a game like football.
Think it was from one of the *classics* they made us read, war &
peace perhaps??? But to me the definition was- that chaotic moment in
your head when it seems like your mind is a mass of confused
information flying around like Harry potters' owls at mail time- cept
none of the owls find the right places to be.


Be Well,
Rachel


--- In [email protected], "elainegh8"
<elainegh8@h...> wrote:
>
> I was going to ask the same thing. I live in the UK and it's not
> really used here anymore as a racist term (it's a fairly archaic
> word now) but with an 'a' in the middle it was definitely a racist
> term here too, although one used by the upper classes mostly, and
> usually pre 1960.
>
> BWs Elaine
>
> > his picninny mom
> >
> >
> > ~~~
> >
> > Just curious. What does this word picninny mean to you?
> >
> > Add an "a" between the first two syllables and it has a racist,
> derogatory
> > meaning in my area and I was wondering if this was a different
> word, different
> > spelling or different meaning.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Kornelia Mitchell

At 08:30 PM 12/13/05 +0000, "Rachel Oglesby" <jachiebell1@...> wrote:

>picninny- I know the deragatory definition and didn't even think
>about it. I was looking at my self as being a person who picks every
>little thing to be a ninny over.

I also picked up that it was a word I had not heard before or a miss-use or
inappropriate use of another (derogatory) word. I wondered what you meant
to say.

>Amazing that from my post that is what was picked up and not one
>comment on my son's severed finger....

I had several reactions to your story about your son's severed finger, but
wasn't sure what point, as related to unschooling, you were trying to make.

>In High school I learned **Blitzkrieg** Never knew
>the real definition-

Blitzkrieg is a German word; "Blitz" means lightening and "Krieg" is war.
So... a very fast, violent, destructive, and efficient war.

Kornelia


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Sandra Dodd

On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Rachel Oglesby wrote:

> picninny- I know the deragatory definition and didn't even think
> about it. I was looking at my self as being a person who picks every
> little thing to be a ninny over


You might want to choose a different word to use.

-=-Amazing that from my post that is what was picked up and not one
comment on my son's severed finger.... -=-

You can only pick what you post, you can't choose the responses. Sorry.

Sandra

elainegh8

Hi Rachel
that's probably because a lot of people on here are very
interested in words and the origins of words. Not a lot you can say
about a severed finger except eek!

BWs Elaine

> Amazing that from my post that is what was picked up and not one
> comment on my son's severed finger.... Even though the context of
the
> word in the sentence did not indicate the racial slur.

tuckervill

Well, the event is 10 years old. I can't imagine getting all ninny-
fied today over a little tip of finger. The point of telling the
story was to illustrate natural consequences, right? I "get" the
concept of natural consquences, so I didn't need the illustration,
but that archaic word that I haven't heard in decades jumped right
out at me.

I didn't say you were being racist or using a racial slur. I was
asking if there was another meaning that I didn't know about. Since
it seems that there is no other definition than the racial one, I
suppose it's in your best interest not to use it in public, whether
you mean it racially or not.

Karen.


--- In [email protected], "Rachel Oglesby"
<jachiebell1@a...> wrote:
>
> picninny- I know the deragatory definition and didn't even think
> about it. I was looking at my self as being a person who picks
every
> little thing to be a ninny over. I would panic over the slightest
> thing. That was me - Heck I even ironed those receiveing
blankets....
>
> Amazing that from my post that is what was picked up and not one
> comment on my son's severed finger.... Even though the context of
the
> word in the sentence did not indicate the racial slur.
>
> Speaking of words- In High school I learned **Blitzkrieg** Never
knew
> the real definition- cept associated it with a game like football.
> Think it was from one of the *classics* they made us read, war &
> peace perhaps??? But to me the definition was- that chaotic moment
in
> your head when it seems like your mind is a mass of confused
> information flying around like Harry potters' owls at mail time-
cept
> none of the owls find the right places to be.
>
>
> Be Well,
> Rachel
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "elainegh8"
> <elainegh8@h...> wrote:
> >
> > I was going to ask the same thing. I live in the UK and it's not
> > really used here anymore as a racist term (it's a fairly archaic
> > word now) but with an 'a' in the middle it was definitely a
racist
> > term here too, although one used by the upper classes mostly,
and
> > usually pre 1960.
> >
> > BWs Elaine
> >
> > > his picninny mom
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~
> > >
> > > Just curious. What does this word picninny mean to you?
> > >
> > > Add an "a" between the first two syllables and it has a
racist,
> > derogatory
> > > meaning in my area and I was wondering if this was a different
> > word, different
> > > spelling or different meaning.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Pamela Sorooshian

Maybe the writer was thinking of "nitpicky" and got the words confused.


-pam

On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Kornelia Mitchell wrote:

>
>> picninny- I know the deragatory definition and didn't even think
>> about it. I was looking at my self as being a person who picks every
>> little thing to be a ninny over.
>
> I also picked up that it was a word I had not heard before or a
> miss-use or
> inappropriate use of another (derogatory) word. I wondered what you
> meant
> to say.



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Rachel Oglesby

Hi Kornelia,

Thanks for the Blitzkrieg definition. Definately fits my brains at
times lol.

The story related to unschooling because the original posting was
about children who were on a rocker, rocking it and the mothers were
allowing them to be thier shiny selves while carefully watching over
them. The story brought back to mind what happened to my son and I
wanted to share it.

Be Well,
Rachel & David


--- In [email protected], Kornelia Mitchell
<eaglemom@i...> wrote:
>
> At 08:30 PM 12/13/05 +0000, "Rachel Oglesby" <jachiebell1@a...>
wrote:
>
> I had several reactions to your story about your son's severed
finger, but
> wasn't sure what point, as related to unschooling, you were trying
to make.
>
> >In High school I learned **Blitzkrieg** Never knew
> >the real definition-
>
> Blitzkrieg is a German word; "Blitz" means lightening and "Krieg"
is war.
> So... a very fast, violent, destructive, and efficient war.
>
> Kornelia
>
>
> "Do, or Do not; There is
no 'try''." - Yoda
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Betsy Hill

** Blitzkrieg is a German word; "Blitz" means lightning**

... and the two reindeer, Donner and Blitzen, are named after thunder
and lightning.

(Can't resist a seasonal connection)

Betsy

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** Blitzkrieg is a German word; "Blitz" means lightning**

... and the two reindeer, Donner and Blitzen, are named after thunder
and lightning.

(Can't resist a seasonal connection)
-=-=-=-

And Clement Moore even screwed that up and named his reindeer Donder instead of Donner!
<g>

And also keeping in the season--Narnia opens with with the Blitzkrieg (I wasn't quite expecting that
and had to briefly explain why the movie was opening with bombing airplanes! <bwg>).

~Kelly


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Robyn Coburn

<<<<< And also keeping in the season--Narnia opens with with the Blitzkrieg
(I wasn't quite expecting that
and had to briefly explain why the movie was opening with bombing airplanes!
<bwg>). >>>>

Well we are very excited to see it, and what is interesting is that Jayn has
already seen a movie that opens with the Blitzkrieg and has the children's
trains in it - "Return to Neverland".

Whenever we go to the movies Jayn and I end up going in and out a few times
in scary moments. It makes me long for the old days when you could
apparently just stay and see the movie again if you wanted to. That would be
an absolute boon to Jayn.

Robyn L. Coburn

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[email protected]

In a message dated 12/14/2005 8:15:22 AM Central Standard Time,
dezigna@... writes:

Well we are very excited to see it, and what is interesting is that Jayn has
already seen a movie that opens with the Blitzkrieg and has the children's
trains in it - "Return to Neverland".




~~~

And the Peter Pan sequel opens with the Blitzkrieg, too, I think. What was
the name of that movie? The one where Wendy is all grown up and it's about
her daughter? Can't remember.

Anyway, I always associated the term Blitzkrieg with the bombing of London
by the Germans. I know it has a literal meaning, but when I think of the word
I think of London automatically.

Karen


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Robyn Coburn

<<<< And the Peter Pan sequel opens with the Blitzkrieg, too, I think.
What was
the name of that movie? >>>

Yes the Disney animated film.

Robyn L. Coburn

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Su Penn

On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:27 AM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> And also keeping in the season--Narnia opens with with the
> Blitzkrieg (I wasn't quite expecting that
> and had to briefly explain why the movie was opening with bombing
> airplanes! <bwg>).

When I was a kid, I didn't get all kinds of historical references
like this that have slowly become clear to me as an adult, such as
that the children in the Narnia books were sent to the country--like
so many English children during WWII--so they'd be safer from the
bombings. I read a memoir once that talked about being in London
during WWII and what it was like to be in a place that was almost
childless...really haunting. And at the same time one piece of
information that helped me put together all these other pieces I'd
been collecting since I was a kid.

Su

elainegh8

There was the Coventry blitz too. The UK media is often so
Londoncentric that it sometimes appears that nothing happens/happened
(good or bad) anywhere else but London.

The firebombing of Dresden was awful too.

BWs Elaine

> Anyway, I always associated the term Blitzkrieg with the bombing of
London
> by the Germans. I know it has a literal meaning, but when I think
of the word
> I think of London automatically.
>
> Karen

[email protected]

In a message dated 12/14/2005 9:21:51 AM Central Standard Time,
elainegh8@... writes:

There was the Coventry blitz too. The UK media is often so
Londoncentric that it sometimes appears that nothing happens/happened
(good or bad) anywhere else but London.




~~~

Well, since I wasn't even born, yet.... <g>

Karen


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Sandra Dodd

> The UK media is often so
> Londoncentric that it sometimes appears that nothing happens/happened
> (good or bad) anywhere else but London.

========================================================

Overlaying New Mexico on the U.K. for a moment for the analogy...

Albuquerque is the big city here. It's several times larger than the
next-biggest cities of Santa Fe, Las Cruces, Roswell, Farmington...

I grew up in Espanola and it was frustrating that some little thing
would make the news (all stations we got originated in Albuquerque)
and a really cool big or horrible thing from around us wouldn't.
They would report the weather in detail for Albuquerque; ours got two
numbers. High school sports in Albuquerque got reported; ours only
occasionally.

Now that I live in Albuquerque, I understand it entirely. There are
time constraints, and if one is doing TV, film is all. Photos aren't
so great--that could be the newspaper. And in those days (60's,
70's) there was no easy way to get even photos quickly from a little
town to the city, and it was no one's paid-for responsibility.

In the 1940's there wasn't even any TV. Newspaper and magazines were
it. People in Coventry and Ely and wherever all else who had
dramatic news had other things on their minds than sending someone to
London with photos and details, I'm guessing--even sticking the info
in a packet on a train wasn't as important as trying to keep children
safe.

In the U.S. it's only fairly lately that we didn't hear more about
New York, Los Angeles and Washington than anywhere else, but
comparing the populations of those areas to other cities helps it
make sense. They're the ones with the newsrooms and reporters too.
And yeah there are other big cities, but the daily news of Detroit
and Houston might be too much for people in other parts of the
country to follow.

Sandra

Sandra Dodd

On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Su Penn wrote:

> When I was a kid, I didn't get all kinds of historical references
> like this that have slowly become clear to me as an adult, such as
> that the children in the Narnia books were sent to the country--like
> so many English children during WWII--so they'd be safer from the
> bombings.


There's a newish movie (DVD) with that frame too--Five Children and It.
Holly saw it in the spring (TV or theater, I don't know) and we
rented it after she was home.

It's a kid fantasy, and the dad is a pilot in the war.

Sandra

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5 children and it

Mary Ellen


>
> a movie that opens with the Blitzkrieg and has the children's
> trains in it

elainegh8

I'm really talking about now. History seems to be centred on London,
so does tourism. Coventry wasn't a small place and is right next to
Britain's second largest city. It was hot by over We're not a very
big country geographicaly and it wasn't that long ago that a lot of
newspapers had a Manchester edition.

Even the national weather leaves a big hole where the Midlands is,
we don't even have temperature here. :P Yet the Midlands has the
second largest city and industry is concentrated here.

It's not like you only hearing about Albaquerque it's more like
everyone where you are only hearing about stuff in Washington on the
main news. We have local news but it doesn't tend to deal with big
issues it's more like 'man bites donkey' or 'new shopping centre
built'.

There is still a snobbery here about the north and south with the
south assuming we're all uncultured idiots and the midlands doesn't
even exist in some peoples' minds. It does affect policy. We are
also governed from centrally, whereas as far as I can see seperate
states in the US have more autonomy than here. All government is
from London with only tweaking done locally.

Can't remember what Python film it was in but Birth the South and
Birth the North (childbirth) is an extreme way of looking at it
(damn funny too).

Interesting isn't it.

BWs Elaine





Most stations have national and local news

> Overlaying New Mexico on the U.K. for a moment for the analogy...
>
> Albuquerque is the big city here. It's several times larger than
the
> next-biggest cities of Santa Fe, Las Cruces, Roswell, Farmington...
>
> I grew up in Espanola and it was frustrating that some little
thing
> would make the news (all stations we got originated in
Albuquerque)
> and a really cool big or horrible thing from around us
wouldn't.
> They would report the weather in detail for Albuquerque; ours got
two
> numbers. High school sports in Albuquerque got reported; ours
only
> occasionally.
>
> Now that I live in Albuquerque, I understand it entirely. There
are
> time constraints, and if one is doing TV, film is all. Photos
aren't
> so great--that could be the newspaper. And in those days (60's,
> 70's) there was no easy way to get even photos quickly from a
little
> town to the city, and it was no one's paid-for responsibility.
>
> In the 1940's there wasn't even any TV. Newspaper and magazines
were
> it. People in Coventry and Ely and wherever all else who had
> dramatic news had other things on their minds than sending someone
to
> London with photos and details, I'm guessing--even sticking the
info
> in a packet on a train wasn't as important as trying to keep
children > safe.
>
> In the U.S. it's only fairly lately that we didn't hear more
about
> New York, Los Angeles and Washington than anywhere else, but
> comparing the populations of those areas to other cities helps it
> make sense. They're the ones with the newsrooms and reporters
too.
> And yeah there are other big cities, but the daily news of
Detroit
> and Houston might be too much for people in other parts of the
> country to follow.
>
> Sandra
>

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In a message dated 12/14/2005 10:20:30 AM Central Standard Time,
Sandra@... writes:

Now that I live in Albuquerque, I understand it entirely. There are
time constraints, and if one is doing TV, film is all. Photos aren't
so great--that could be the newspaper. And in those days (60's,
70's) there was no easy way to get even photos quickly from a little
town to the city, and it was no one's paid-for responsibility.




~~~

Not only that, the population that is interested in what happens in Espanola
is probably much smaller than the population that is interested in what
happens in Albuquerque.

Although I live in a small town, because of the things you mentioned, I hear
much more about my town on the local news than I did growing up. High
school sports are covered as if they were college teams.

I remember growing up and being excited if they even mentioned the town of
Redfield on TV. (I don't live in Redfield anymore.) It usually meant someone
from Redfield won a contest or was on the news for some other reason, or a
tornado hit it or something like that. But it was exciting!

Karen


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[email protected]

>When I was a kid, I didn't get all kinds of historical references
> like this that have slowly become clear to me as an adult, such as
> that the children in the Narnia books were sent to the country--like
> so many English children during WWII--so they'd be safer from the
> bombings.

~~~

My mother said she and her siblings were sent from Chicago to live with her
grandparents in Joplin, MO for the same reason. The attack on Pearl Harbor
shook everyone up, even those way inland.

Karen






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Kathleen Whitfield

There's some of that in the U.S., too. People on the coasts tend to assume
people in the middle of the country are, as you put it, uncultured idiots.
Since I've come to Southern California, I've heard people use the term
"flyover country" with a straight face, as though no one would want to live
anywhere else but California or New York or Boston. I find it rather
offensive. I think it comes from the fact that a lot of the people who are
most snooty about "flyover country" are actually from there -- but they're
people who are attracted to big-city kinds of things and don't value the
things about their hometowns that others do.

Kathleen
in LA


on 12/14/05 8:56 AM, elainegh8 at elainegh8@... wrote:

There is still a snobbery here about the north and south with the
south assuming we're all uncultured idiots and the midlands doesn't
even exist in some peoples' minds. It does affect policy. We are
also governed from centrally, whereas as far as I can see seperate
states in the US have more autonomy than here. All government is
from London with only tweaking done locally.



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Schuyler Waynforth

--- In [email protected], "elainegh8"
<elainegh8@h...> wrote:

>
> Can't remember what Python film it was in but Birth the South and
> Birth the North (childbirth) is an extreme way of looking at it
> (damn funny too).
>


The Meaning of Life. The scenario is 1st world birth (London) and 3rd
world birth (North Yorkshire). I think that is second to David's (dh)
favorite northern England slam next to Ecky Thump by the Goodies. We
live in the North, not the midlands, and so get such representative
telly as Byker Grove and Ant and Dec, but isn't Lenny Henry from the
midlands? He can be your spokesperson!!

Schuyler

NANCY OWENS

elainegh8 <elainegh8@...> wrote: Even the national weather leaves a big hole where the Midlands is,
we don't even have temperature here. :P Yet the Midlands has the
second largest city and industry is concentrated here.
**********

Not that what you have to say isn't important, it is really just your wording I find funny. Last year (when the kids and I were with Darin on his truck), if we were on a turnpike (pay to use, or toll road) they would usually have the weather posted at the tolls. One Sunday, we were entering the Ohio turnpike, Darin noticed that the weather wasn't posted. He asked the worker what the weather was like along the road and she answered; "I don't know, Ohio doesn't get weather on Sundays." (There happened to be a huge snow storm we had to drive into) Not so funny, but funny in her (and your) choice of words. ;o)
~Nancy




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Sandra Dodd

On Dec 14, 2005, at 10:41 AM, tuckervill2@... wrote:

> Not only that, the population that is interested in what happens
> in Espanola
> is probably much smaller than the population that is interested in
> what
> happens in Albuquerque.

===========

True, and the same with New York or London. Even people who don't
live there might have been there, or have relatives living there or
going to school or something.

Sandra

Sandra Dodd

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Kathleen Whitfield wrote:

> People on the coasts tend to assume
> people in the middle of the country are, as you put it, uncultured
> idiots.

==============================

Shouldn't talk, being in New Mexico ("where?" is the usual response),
but I didn't have any preconceived notions about the Midwest. My
first college roommate was from St. Louis and other than not being
able to pronounce the word "quarter" properly, she was cool.

Having gotten to know a guy from Ohio really well, I questioned all
of that region of the country for a while until I realized it was
just him. So I sought out people from there and thereabout for a
while to try to feel better about it, consciously trying to balance
it. Kinda like eating some more pecans to get the taste of one
really bitter/bad one out of my mouth.

It mostly worked.

Sandra

Deb

--- In [email protected], Sandra Dodd
<Sandra@S...> wrote:
>
> Shouldn't talk, being in New Mexico ("where?" is the usual
>response),
Reminds me of the mom in Snow Dogs (set in Alaska), when she asks if
the cab driver will take "American money".

elainegh8

Ecky thump! They are running a Goodies special sometime over the
Christmas period. For those outside the UK the Goodies is another 70s
UK comedy series but unfortunately it never got the reruns like Python
did.

I definitely wouldn't want Lenny Henry (UK comedian) as a
representative. He's still doing the same stuff he was doing in the
80s! Very unfunny, nice guy, not funny.

BWs Elaine

but isn't Lenny Henry from the
> midlands? He can be your spokesperson!!
>
> Schuyler
>