Sonia Ulan

Hi Corallyn;

My heart goes out to you and your darling, sensitive son. What a
difficult situation!

The world can be a very scary place and children need constant
reassurance that their parents will do their utmost to protect them.
Obviously your son is aware of the reality of Daddy's job and is
fearful. I'm thinking your 5 year old is a bit young though to deal
with such a big burden on his own. If you can lighten his load he could
have some peace of mind. It would probably be helpful and help ease
some of his anxiety if he can talk this issue out with you on an
on-going basis. For the time being, while he is immature and needing
security, you might encourage him that Daddy is safe and your son's
prayers can help. Even if the unthinkable ever happened he could
eventually understand your wish to protect him and give him the sense of
security he so badly needs right now.

When I was a child I was tormented with images of war I saw on the
nightly news. I was desperate for my Mom to tell me I was safe and
needn't worry about such a reality...instead, she often took the
"intellectual" approach of not shielding children from the real world.
As a result, I endured many nightmares! I think the nurturing,
protective approach is what Mothering is. Children need to feel safe,
loved, protected and never abandoned. That's what your son is looking
for now...when he's older, (maybe at 10 years of age???) you can provide
him with more information if it seems appropriate.

Sonia

Corallyn Berger wrote:
>
> I have a situation in my home and I doubt any of you
> can relate to it but maybe someone has a suggestion as
> to how to handle this situation. My DH is a police
> officer. And my 5yo son is very aware of what daddy
> does. We have been very open with him about it. It is
> hard not to be when 5 days a week he sees daddy put on
> his uniform with full gear and head out the door for
> work. Well, the other night when DS was saying his
> bedtime prayers one of the things he said was to bless
> daddy not to get shot. He has never said this in his
> prayers before and it really took me by surprize. I
> didn't know what to say to him. Bed time is often
> difficult because he misses daddy. So I asked him if
> that was the reason that he misses daddy so much at
> bedtime and he said it was. He's afraid that DH will
> get shot at work. DS has also said in the past that he
> thinks that DH sits and shoots bad people all night
> long. We have tried to explain to him that this is not
> the case. I don't think he gets it though. The other
> night I didn't want to say that DH wouldn't get shot
> because I don't know that won't happen. That is
> possible however small that likelyhood is. I don't
> want to say this will never happen and then it does.
> Then DS will think I lied to him and he will be right.
> I asked him if I could have some time to think about
> it and then give him and answer. He said that was
> fine. When I talked to DH about it he didn't want to
> make an issue of it with DS. He was afraid that if we
> said anything more to him or made a big deal about it
> then it would further dramatize the idea in DS's head.
> I feel differently. I told him I would think on it and
> then give him and answer and that is what I feel I
> must do. Any suggestions as to what to tell DS about
> daddy gettin shot at work?
>
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In a message dated 7/10/2000 10:43:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
hape2day@... writes:

> I told him I would think on it and
> then give him and answer and that is what I feel I
> must do. Any suggestions as to what to tell DS about
> daddy gettin shot at work?

First of all, I think it is very sweet that DS is praying for his Daddy's
safety. I think it shows compassion for others as well as a developing
understanding of how the world works. Also, death and the possibility that
parents will die is a very typical topic of concern for a 5 yr old (at least
in my experience with children...my own and lots of other people's).

I would emphasize the service that daddy is giving to the community. That
daddy feels strongly enough about protecting other people that he is willing
to take the risks that go with the job. Even go so far, if you can, to
express your personal appreciation that DH is willing to put his life on the
line. (in gentle terms, perhaps...?). Encourage the idea that HIS daddy
is/may be a hero every day he goes to work, by saving someone else's life or
making the community safer for everyone.

Maybe have Daddy show DS some of the protective equipment he wears. Or tell
about he training he gets to keep him safe and help him make good decisions
on the job. This could be as simple as stating that the police department
has a training program for Daddy to help him know how to stay safe. Share
appropriate stories of people he has helped. If there have times of
miraculous events where daddy has been protected, maybe share those. (I know
that idea could get touchy...but, as always, it's your call)

I would NOT discourage ds from continuing to ask that daddy be safe and not
shot. But, you also may need to have some family discussion about some
things happening in spite of our prayers. That doesn't mean that God doesn't
love ds or daddy, but that God has another plan or will provide another way
or just that bad things sometimes happen to good people.

It might not hurt to point out that not everyone that is shot dies. Maybe
the police department has some reassuring statistics about this? Let him
know that if something happens to daddy, his police buddies will get him to a
doctor ASAP and that they will also let your family know there is a problem.
(ie go to sleep, you'll get woke up with a huge commotion if something
happens, or something like that)

All of this paraphrased in ways that work best for your family, of course!
There might be a psychologist at DH's work that would have some suggestions
for ways to deal with this fear. It is a common one for spouses, parents and
children. (my SIL is a city cop here in Olympia, WA...we've had to deal with
this fear on a personal basis)

Encourage ds and daddy to spend good time together. Help father and son
enjoy those times. Not from a sense of 'it may be our last time together'
but look how much we enjoy being together. Let's cherish this time, right
now and make memories right now...when you are older we'll talk about these
things that are happening because they'll be memories. (making any sense
here?)

(starting to ramble...so delete if it's boring or inapplicable!) When my DH
went to middle east (Qatar), DS overheard someone at church ask DH if he was
concerned about being so close to war torn countries and did he think he
would be in danger while he was there? This scared DS quite a bit (gee
thanks!). We explained in simple and clear terms that we felt strongly that
daddy was needed in Qatar at this time (it was a civilian job, we could have
turned it down, but we believe very much in personal revelation, given by God
to the individual. It is our belief that this particular job offer was an
assignment with higher callings than mere employment.) We explained that IF
Daddy should die while he was overseas, we would have comfort that it
happened while he was serving God (insert a cause you believe in...). We
then went on to explain that we really didn't believe there was personal
danger. That daddy would take precautions such as staying in touch with the
American embassy, the company he worked for had emergency evacuation protocol
in place, keep aware of the news, make friends with the locals, try to blend
in the crowd rather than drawing attention to himself (we are lucky here in
that with proper clothing he is the spitting image of an Arabian...that
American Indian Ancestry came in handy!) and that daddy would be praying for
his own protection and personal direction, as would we.

From there, we pointed out that you never know when you are going to die.
Lots of people die in car crashes or crossing the street or of a stroke,
heart attack or other unexpected health problems. You have to live your life
the best you know how and try to let the rest of it (death, in this case)
happen when/how/where it happens. DS was a bit clingy for a day or two and
we had some times of concern while DH was gone (Ben Lauden (sp) was very
active and had actually put out threats directed at the project DH was
working on, for instance). But, overall, this approach worked well for our
family.

Interestingly enough, DS and I were called upon to help his best friend and
her mother when the mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer almost
immediatly after DH went overseas. I think the conversation we had already
had about death and never knowing when it happens helped him deal with the
death of his best friend's mother. It was difficult, to be sure, but we did
a good job.

FWIW,
Eiraul

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Carollyne,
I think you should talk it out with you DS. Just because we don't talk about
things with our children doesn't mean they are still not concerned about it
or make it out to be more than it really is.

As for what to tell him, hmmmmmm, maybe focus on the less violent side of
your hubby's job (helping people). My DD is scared of the police because of
Daddy watching to much prime-time TV.....with her around(Cops). (Which is not
good, at all) Little ones just absorb everything!

Julie

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In a message dated 7/11/2000 4:32:29 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
Jaam1224@... writes:

<< My DD is scared of the police because of
Daddy watching to much prime-time TV.....with her around(Cops >>

we decided early on not to have the tv on hardly at all as it does very
little to enhance my life. Zak hasn't even seen a commercial so we don't
have the constant whining for things when we go in stores as he doesn't know
they are being advertized (LOL)... Hubbie and I think it's really important
not to let the media control our children's lives. especially as we are also
trying not to control as well.

Dawn F

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Corallyn, Hi-- my dh is a police officer, too. I have a 5 yo son, and a 3 yo
son, and a 10 mo daughter. For most of my children's lives, my dh has worked
day shift. Sounds like yours is working 3rd shift now. Where do you live?
We live in So. Indiana. You have said that you are very open with him...
how much does he know about police work? Our boys really have not asked much
about getting shot. They have very limited knowledge about guns. I think
our oldest has asked if dh has ever shot anyone, and dh told him that he had
not, and hoped that he never has to. Dh explained that the gun was there to
be used only for protection when he was at work. He keeps the explanations
"short and sweet" at this time in their lives. Then he makes sure that the
kids get exposed to the many aspects of police work, such as helping people
in different ways. They enjoy hearing the sirens on the squad car, visiting
the station, and wearing old uniform shirts. Has your son watched much tv
where police dramas might be on? Or does he have friends that have said
something to scare him , maybe? One thing you can do is let your son see the
protective vest and maybe even put it on, so he can see how heavy it is. You
can help him see how it is there to protect his daddy , just in case there
would ever be a "bad guy" that had a gun. And then express that most police
officers don't get shot and don't use their guns very often. Hopefully he
will begin to feel re-assured. Maybe some library books on police officers
could be helpful, as they are light-hearted in nature, and maybe will be
helpful in lessening his worries. Most of all, stress that police officers
are there to help people, and that is their main purpose. Give examples such
as helping people if their cars break down, helping people settle arguments,
help to find someone who is lost, etc... Just keep trying to reinforce the
other aspects of this line of work, and keep reassuring him that most
officers never have to shoot people, and that most officers never get shot.
I hope this helps a little! Take care. ~Karen

Nanci and Thomas Kuykendall

When I talked to DH about it he didn't want to
>make an issue of it with DS.

My suggestion would be to be as honest as possible. People worry about loved ones. We were just discussing that earlier this week. You should not try to stop your son's concerns, as they are normal. But I do think that you should try to alleviate some of the unneccassary worry. However, he is always going to be concerned about his fathr at work, as long as daddy has a dangerous job. Let's face it, cops do get killed at work, and that is overdramatized in movies and tv.

I think that it would be extremely beneficial if your hubby could arrange a special "take my son to work" day with his superiors. Let your son ride in the car with dad, see dad talking to people, taking statements, doing what he does, as long as he is exempt from taking the more dangerous calls that day. People learn from experience, and if your son has the wrong impression about what Daddy does during the day, than all the talking in the wold will probably not change his mind. He needs to see for himself.

If letting him ride along is not legally possible, perhaps he can at least take him down to the station, show him around, let him sit in the squad car, talk to other officers about what they do, and maybe walk a safe beat with dad for a little bit. Anything to help him see for himself what dad does, so that he can draw his own conclusions would be beneficial I think.

Just my .02 cents

Nanci K.


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April

My kids have an uncle who is a fire-fighter. Not as close as a Daddy so the
fears are not on-going but we've had the fears now and again. We've done
two things. One: Uncle has taken the kids on a tour of the fire station.
They got to see all the safety equipment, hear about the training, and find
out that while some calls are dangerous, many are not. Two: We have gotten
videos from the library, some are called "I want to be a ...". These videos
are cute and not scary. They show all the things a police officer does,
many of which are not dangerous. They talk about the training and so on.
This puts the info into words and images a young child can understand. You
might want to preview it first, what helps my kids might be scary for
someone else's.
April

Corallyn Berger

Actually, DS is quite familiar with DH's equipment. We
have been to the station a number of times and the
children have both been in the car and DH flashes the
lights etc. for them. They won't let family members do
ride alongs because of the liability and anyone who
does ride along has to be a certain age. They would
never let a 5yo do this for obvious reasons. My DH
patrols an area that is on its way down. He often
deals with family violence, death, people resisting
him and much more. I do point out other officers that
we see around town and what he appears to be doing.
Writing a ticket, helping someone in trouble. They are
always on their way to "help someone in trouble" even
if it is trouble they make for themselves. They still
need help with it. Thanx for the in put though.

> If letting him ride along is not legally possible,
> perhaps he can at least take him down to the
> station, show him around, let him sit in the squad
> car, talk to other officers about what they do, and
> maybe walk a safe beat with dad for a little bit.
> Anything to help him see for himself what dad does,
> so that he can draw his own conclusions would be
> beneficial I think.
>
> Just my .02 cents
>
> Nanci K.
>
>
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There was/is a coloring book out that we use to purchase (I work the
purchasing department of a city and all the orders from the PD came across
my desk) that they guys gave out when they did the McGruff and the get to
know your friendly policeman trips to the elementary schools. It showed
all kinds of things that the police do (no shooting) and help ease away
some of the fear that some children have of policemen being something to
fear. You might check with a store that has educational materials. It was
geared to the younger children.

Lynda

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> From: Corallyn Berger <hape2day@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Son's praying for daddy
> Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:41 PM
>
>
> I have a situation in my home and I doubt any of you
> can relate to it but maybe someone has a suggestion as
> to how to handle this situation. My DH is a police
> officer. And my 5yo son is very aware of what daddy
> does. We have been very open with him about it. It is
> hard not to be when 5 days a week he sees daddy put on
> his uniform with full gear and head out the door for
> work. Well, the other night when DS was saying his
> bedtime prayers one of the things he said was to bless
> daddy not to get shot. He has never said this in his
> prayers before and it really took me by surprize. I
> didn't know what to say to him. Bed time is often
> difficult because he misses daddy. So I asked him if
> that was the reason that he misses daddy so much at
> bedtime and he said it was. He's afraid that DH will
> get shot at work. DS has also said in the past that he
> thinks that DH sits and shoots bad people all night
> long. We have tried to explain to him that this is not
> the case. I don't think he gets it though. The other
> night I didn't want to say that DH wouldn't get shot
> because I don't know that won't happen. That is
> possible however small that likelyhood is. I don't
> want to say this will never happen and then it does.
> Then DS will think I lied to him and he will be right.
> I asked him if I could have some time to think about
> it and then give him and answer. He said that was
> fine. When I talked to DH about it he didn't want to
> make an issue of it with DS. He was afraid that if we
> said anything more to him or made a big deal about it
> then it would further dramatize the idea in DS's head.
> I feel differently. I told him I would think on it and
> then give him and answer and that is what I feel I
> must do. Any suggestions as to what to tell DS about
> daddy gettin shot at work?
>
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