Ren Allen

" now once they
started snoring louder than my husband then, hey, with no regrets I
kicked then the hell out of my bed. But by then, they understand :)"

I'm assuming you're joking here. My 8 y.o. still needs me to sleep
with her some nights. I can't imagine any child that wants to sleep
with a parent being told "no".

Ren

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In a message dated 11/4/2005 6:35:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

When Simon was an infant there was an episode of Mad About You on that
I watched in horror. They've just had their daughter and are
"training" her to sleep through the night using the Ferber method. So,
she cries and they go in at 5 minutes and then at 10 and whatever
until she stops. At the end she finally stops crying and Paul turns to
Jamie and says something like "we did it" and Jamie sighs and says
"Yes, now she'll know we won't be there for her" or something. It was
interesting because they were aching to help their baby daughter, but
were bound by this desire to do what the experts said was best. They
didn't handle it lightly, which I appreciated, but still...it was so
awful to listen to. I think I was letting down milk throughout much
of the show in sympathy.



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No, I remember exactly what Jamie said. It was, "We broke her heart."
Kathryn

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Schuyler Waynforth

Much more concise and to the point.

Schuyler


--- In [email protected], KathrynJB@a... wrote:

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> No, I remember exactly what Jamie said. It was, "We broke her heart."
> Kathryn
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> Come to the Northeast Unschooling Conference Memorial Day Weekend, May
> 26-28, 2006 in Peabody, Massachusetts. For more information, go to
> NortheastUnschoolingConference.com
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k

Many people come from families that relate(d) so detachedly, the adult
children now with children of their own can't remember a time when they

accepted their own needs for attachment. They lacked sympathy during
their childhood and have long forgotten when they experienced
detachment
from their parents. A history like this means rejection is expected
and
simultaneously frequently goes unrecognized by all involved unless the
truth about what people need is understood. To have what people need
clear in the mind it helps first to experience meeting or having those
needs met. It's crappy that society views these needs as neediness
even
in infants let alone children or really all people.

I don't have to tell you, Ren, and this isn't directed at you or anyone

in particular, we know histories like the above aren't rare. I often
wish(ed) to be closer to my parents at 8 and even at 30 but I knew not
to necessarily expect it. For me and those like me it's hard to feel
secure. Somehow people are just supposed to make do with head
knowledge
when they are loved and cared for. That just seems so sick to me now
but there was a time I felt weak for not being able to be happy with
it.

Our attachment parenting for ds has healed me a great deal. The good
thing is it's not too late to enjoy family life and learn from mistakes

one personally didn't make and those one makes by default until knowing

better.

Kathe


> " now once they
> started snoring louder than my husband then, hey, with no regrets I
> kicked then the hell out of my bed. But by then, they understand :)"

Ren Allen wrote:

> I'm assuming you're joking here. My 8 y.o. still needs me to sleep
> with her some nights. I can't imagine any child that wants to sleep
> with a parent being told "no".



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