RE:boy scout trouble
Heidi Crane
What I'd like to know is, where were the adults in all of this? every camp
I've ever been at, either as a child or an adult, had counsellors and
directors. Every tent had a counsellor with it. The description of what
happened to this boy makes me sad. I'd be completely surprised if he wanted
to go back, and if he didn't want to go, I'd NEVER make him, especially
after learning about this abuse.
Hopefully, he had a loving, accepting family to come home to and recover?
That experience has the potential of hurting him deeply and lastingly. Seems
like it already has, since he never told anyone about it until packing time
this year.
Poor kid. Hug him for me, will ya?
blessings, heidiC who had her share of teasing, too.
I've ever been at, either as a child or an adult, had counsellors and
directors. Every tent had a counsellor with it. The description of what
happened to this boy makes me sad. I'd be completely surprised if he wanted
to go back, and if he didn't want to go, I'd NEVER make him, especially
after learning about this abuse.
Hopefully, he had a loving, accepting family to come home to and recover?
That experience has the potential of hurting him deeply and lastingly. Seems
like it already has, since he never told anyone about it until packing time
this year.
Poor kid. Hug him for me, will ya?
blessings, heidiC who had her share of teasing, too.
> >
> > They're teasing HIM? Or they tease others and he doesn't like it? It
> > wasn't clear to me.
>
>Him, and these incidents happened last year at summer camp, he
>sometimes holds things in and they build-up and come out all at once.
>
> It was when we were packing he confided a few stories to me. Example,
>Last year while at camp, he had gottten his feet wet and his shoes
>bled a blueish color onto his socks, he took his wet socks and shoes
>off to put by the campfire to dry and some other scout threw them in
>the fire claiming they were a "biohazard". And then he earned the
>nickname trenchfoot.
>
>At this particular camp the tents are built up on 2 by 4 frames to
>keep the rain out, when he entered a tent to hang out with some other
>boys One scout demanded he get out because he was exceeding the weight
>limit and was sure to bust the floor.(He is about 25 lbs overweight,
>according to "charts" he's healthy and it doesn't affect his ability
>to do anything so I feel it is no big deal)
>
>And the one that really got me, one of the scouts took his pikachu
>pillow, slit it open strung it up to a tree and beat on it.
>
>And the clincher, He got stuck in a tent alone, (2 cots per tent and
>an odd number of boys) got frightened in the middle of the night, went
>into another tent and slept on the floor when he awoke nearly the
>whole group then called him sissy boy.
>
>
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In a message dated 6/21/2005 5:22:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
What I'd like to know is, where were the adults in all of this? every camp
I've ever been at, either as a child or an adult, had counsellors and
directors. Every tent had a counsellor with it.
Yeah, two kids per tent is crazy.
And his tent didn't even have another kid!
-=-That experience has the potential of hurting him deeply and lastingly.
Seems
like it already has, since he never told anyone about it until packing time
this year.
-=-
Good thing he mentioned it, but he stewed in it a year? Or stuffed it for a
year?
Poor guy.
Sandra
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bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
What I'd like to know is, where were the adults in all of this? every camp
I've ever been at, either as a child or an adult, had counsellors and
directors. Every tent had a counsellor with it.
Yeah, two kids per tent is crazy.
And his tent didn't even have another kid!
-=-That experience has the potential of hurting him deeply and lastingly.
Seems
like it already has, since he never told anyone about it until packing time
this year.
-=-
Good thing he mentioned it, but he stewed in it a year? Or stuffed it for a
year?
Poor guy.
Sandra
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mchl_cnkln
At boyscout camp, an adult can only share a tent with their own child.
He is getting much better about not holding things in, when he tells
me of these things he's mainly afraid it will hurt me, Maybe I told
him one to many times that when he hurts I hurt. When they get sick ,
or injured I tell them I hurt more when they are sick than when I
myself were sick, And that I wish I could take their pain for them.
And the sweet thing is it has rubbed off and they tell me and their
dad the same thing. I explained to him that I want him to share his
pain with me , that it is my job to help him through it.
As for my parents , they are the most awesome unschooling grandparents
I could wish for. They do not expect my boys to talk only when talked
to and honor elders no matter what etc, My sons and their Pap are
more like best friends , he talks to them like equals and treats them
that way as well. My father-in-law is another story, I am glad he
lives a few states away and only seems them a few times a year. And my
mil is no longer involved in our lives (she's only 5 mins away)
Anyhow you can all be releived He has decided to quit ! And i feel
great about it, was unsure at first, because scouting is supposed to
build character blah blah blah, then I woke up and realized how
completely stupid I was Thanks for letting me know !!!
Bear with me I'm still deschooling
Michele
He is getting much better about not holding things in, when he tells
me of these things he's mainly afraid it will hurt me, Maybe I told
him one to many times that when he hurts I hurt. When they get sick ,
or injured I tell them I hurt more when they are sick than when I
myself were sick, And that I wish I could take their pain for them.
And the sweet thing is it has rubbed off and they tell me and their
dad the same thing. I explained to him that I want him to share his
pain with me , that it is my job to help him through it.
As for my parents , they are the most awesome unschooling grandparents
I could wish for. They do not expect my boys to talk only when talked
to and honor elders no matter what etc, My sons and their Pap are
more like best friends , he talks to them like equals and treats them
that way as well. My father-in-law is another story, I am glad he
lives a few states away and only seems them a few times a year. And my
mil is no longer involved in our lives (she's only 5 mins away)
Anyhow you can all be releived He has decided to quit ! And i feel
great about it, was unsure at first, because scouting is supposed to
build character blah blah blah, then I woke up and realized how
completely stupid I was Thanks for letting me know !!!
Bear with me I'm still deschooling
Michele
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/21/2005 5:22:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
>
> What I'd like to know is, where were the adults in all of this?
every camp
> I've ever been at, either as a child or an adult, had counsellors and
> directors. Every tent had a counsellor with it.
>
>
> Yeah, two kids per tent is crazy.
> And his tent didn't even have another kid!
>
> -=-That experience has the potential of hurting him deeply and
lastingly.
> Seems
> like it already has, since he never told anyone about it until
packing time
> this year.
> -=-
>
> Good thing he mentioned it, but he stewed in it a year? Or stuffed
it for a
> year?
> Poor guy.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In a message dated 6/21/2005 10:54:42 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
mchl_cnkln@... writes:
because scouting is supposed to
build character
What a LOT of people, mostly male, seem to mean by "build character" is
learn to suck it up. Learn to find your place in the hierarchy of bullying
males. Will you be a leader? A bully yourself? An invisible person? A victim?
A lackey or gofer? Find your place and develop the character to stay there.
I'm very negative right now about this "Character" business, particularly as
regards military bullying and bullies in general who use being in the
military as a justification for very bad behavior. Or maybe they joined the
military where Very Bad Behavior can be useful and accepted.
Sandra
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mchl_cnkln@... writes:
because scouting is supposed to
build character
What a LOT of people, mostly male, seem to mean by "build character" is
learn to suck it up. Learn to find your place in the hierarchy of bullying
males. Will you be a leader? A bully yourself? An invisible person? A victim?
A lackey or gofer? Find your place and develop the character to stay there.
I'm very negative right now about this "Character" business, particularly as
regards military bullying and bullies in general who use being in the
military as a justification for very bad behavior. Or maybe they joined the
military where Very Bad Behavior can be useful and accepted.
Sandra
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Sue Patterson
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
I don't think this is limited to males thinking this. It's rampant
in society. I've seen a lot moms feel this way toward how their
sons "cope" with these difficult situations. It's very sad to me.
up on the concept of "character." :-)
I don't think the military has a corner on the bullying market. Nor
do I think that "Very Bad Behavior" is useful or accepted there. I
don't consider these fair or accurate statements, Sandra. No
biggie, just wanted to point that out.
~Sue
> What a LOT of people, mostly male, seem to mean by "buildcharacter" is
> learn to suck it up. Learn to find your place in the hierarchy ofbullying
> males. Will you be a leader? A bully yourself? An invisibleperson? A victim?
> A lackey or gofer? Find your place and develop the character tostay there.
I don't think this is limited to males thinking this. It's rampant
in society. I've seen a lot moms feel this way toward how their
sons "cope" with these difficult situations. It's very sad to me.
> I'm very negative right now about this "Character" business,particularly as
> regards military bullying and bullies in general who use being inthe
> military as a justification for very bad behavior. Or maybe theyjoined the
> military where Very Bad Behavior can be useful and accepted.Lots of words seem to get "usurped" these days. But I'm not giving
up on the concept of "character." :-)
I don't think the military has a corner on the bullying market. Nor
do I think that "Very Bad Behavior" is useful or accepted there. I
don't consider these fair or accurate statements, Sandra. No
biggie, just wanted to point that out.
~Sue
Jordan
Gotta comment on this one: Headline from Stars and Stripes on June 22, 2005
�Marine blames rape partly on 50-cent beer�private gets 15 years as defense
cites boredom, base�s cheap brew� Very Bad Behavior, no real
justification�only a lame ass attempt at such. My prolactin-befuddled brain
is not capable of comprehending the reality of this situation. A grown man,
or at least a pretty old boy, who has so little character as to commit rape,
and then to blame it on cheap beer�disgusting. I have lots of fuzzy
thoughts on how this relates to bullying and boy scout camp, but can�t seem
to get them to gel long enough to get them down in writing�
I mostly just wanted to second Sandra�s negative feeling about bullies and
character. I know lots of good men who happen to be Marines, but some of
the Marines I know or just encounter in passing do behave badly. I wonder
if they were bullies, boy scouts, or both.
Tami, who is married to a good man who also happens to be a good Marine.
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In a message dated 6/21/2005 10:54:42 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
mchl_cnkln@... writes:
because scouting is supposed to
build character
What a LOT of people, mostly male, seem to mean by "build character" is
learn to suck it up. Learn to find your place in the hierarchy of bullying
males. Will you be a leader? A bully yourself? An invisible person? A
victim?
A lackey or gofer? Find your place and develop the character to stay
there.
I'm very negative right now about this "Character" business, particularly
as
regards military bullying and bullies in general who use being in the
military as a justification for very bad behavior. Or maybe they joined
the
military where Very Bad Behavior can be useful and accepted.
Sandra
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�Marine blames rape partly on 50-cent beer�private gets 15 years as defense
cites boredom, base�s cheap brew� Very Bad Behavior, no real
justification�only a lame ass attempt at such. My prolactin-befuddled brain
is not capable of comprehending the reality of this situation. A grown man,
or at least a pretty old boy, who has so little character as to commit rape,
and then to blame it on cheap beer�disgusting. I have lots of fuzzy
thoughts on how this relates to bullying and boy scout camp, but can�t seem
to get them to gel long enough to get them down in writing�
I mostly just wanted to second Sandra�s negative feeling about bullies and
character. I know lots of good men who happen to be Marines, but some of
the Marines I know or just encounter in passing do behave badly. I wonder
if they were bullies, boy scouts, or both.
Tami, who is married to a good man who also happens to be a good Marine.
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Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: RE:boy scout trouble
In a message dated 6/21/2005 10:54:42 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
mchl_cnkln@... writes:
because scouting is supposed to
build character
What a LOT of people, mostly male, seem to mean by "build character" is
learn to suck it up. Learn to find your place in the hierarchy of bullying
males. Will you be a leader? A bully yourself? An invisible person? A
victim?
A lackey or gofer? Find your place and develop the character to stay
there.
I'm very negative right now about this "Character" business, particularly
as
regards military bullying and bullies in general who use being in the
military as a justification for very bad behavior. Or maybe they joined
the
military where Very Bad Behavior can be useful and accepted.
Sandra
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In a message dated 6/23/2005 4:26:54 AM Central Standard Time,
atj090@... writes:
. I know lots of good men who happen to be Marines, but some of
the Marines I know or just encounter in passing do behave badly. I wonder
if they were bullies, boy scouts, or both.
~~~
They'd be bullies or behave badly whether or not they were Marines, is my
guess.
I mean, sheesh, if you're willing to behave badly in an environment as
strict and disciplined as the Marine Corps, you're hopeless anyway.
Karen
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atj090@... writes:
. I know lots of good men who happen to be Marines, but some of
the Marines I know or just encounter in passing do behave badly. I wonder
if they were bullies, boy scouts, or both.
~~~
They'd be bullies or behave badly whether or not they were Marines, is my
guess.
I mean, sheesh, if you're willing to behave badly in an environment as
strict and disciplined as the Marine Corps, you're hopeless anyway.
Karen
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