Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]suzuki music lessons/attn david albert
David Albert
Amy wrote:
Well, I guess I do have some expertise on this one. I'm attaching the little
section in my book ("And the Skylark Sings with Me") on Suzuki below. I'll be
happy to e-mail the whole chapter (and the little appendix on "How to Choose a
Music Teacher") to whomever asks.
The only thing I'd add to what I wrote below is that it is somewhat rare to find
a real Suzuki teacher in the U.S., outside of major cities. If you (as parent)
are not required to take instruction separately from your child, you are not
getting Suzuki -- that is integral to the method, and in Japan, there is no
"Suzuki" instruction without it.
The other thing I'd add (which I say at length in Skylark), is that no method is
the right one if it doesn't take account of the particularities of your own
child. I began with a strong bias in favor of the Suzuki method (and am still
biased in its favor), and yet ended up with two musical children, for neither of
whom was Suzuki the best approach. This is mainly because they didn't fit the
profile (as below.)
I'll be happy to share more as needed. (P.S. -- given other possible choices,
I DON'T recommend the violin for a child, unless she is REALLY committed to it
-- of all instruments -- with the possible exception of the oboe as I have
learned from my older one -- it is the instrument least likely to provide quick
gratification to the ear. There are other, better choices for most young 'ums,
piano being the first -- it is always in tune if you keep it that way, and your
child will be able to play a tune the first day!)
David
"Seeing and hearing Ali and our younger daughter Meera today, parents often ask
our opinion of the Suzuki method. This is despite the fact that neither of our
children learned by utilizing it. But for what it's worth, from what we know,
we look upon Suzuki quite favorably. Firstly, it must be said that Suzuki is
single-handedly responsible for hundreds or even thousands of string programs
springing up in elementary and middle schools across the country, which, for
some children, is the best experience they will ever have in school. When Ellen
and I were growing up, the violin was thought to be simply too difficult for all
but the most talented children. Band instruments, pianos, or even, perish the
thought, accordions! (I too have my own prejudices) were the recommended choices
for pre-teens. Now we know, thanks to Suzuki, that stringed instruments can be
taught effectively to children at an early age. Furthermore, recent brain
research suggests that for a string player to have any real hopes of succeeding,
instruction should commence before age 12 (and preferably much earlier) to
reinforce brain/fine-motor skill interactions. I would note, however, that my
own experience and that of the late John Holt, a founder of the modern
homeschooling movement who successfully took up the cello after age 40, are firm
reminders that our early childhoods do not have to be the sole determinants of
our musical destinies.
Secondly, Suzuki insists on substantial parental involvement, more than just
driving one's child to and from lessons. In some larger Suzuki schools
including most of those in Japan, parents are required to attend their own
classes while their children are learning. That level of parental commitment is
sure to redound to the child's benefit, as is the creation of a musical
community.
Thirdly, the early stages of Suzuki teaching focus on repetitive motion
training. It's rather like learning to throw a baseball the right way -- you're
more likely to get it if you do it a couple of thousand times. Repetitive
motion training is particularly useful for the majority of children who are
reasonably physically coordinated, have moderately good musical ears, but may
not yet be ready to tackle complex symbol systems.
Fourthly, the selections included in the well-edited Suzuki music books are
meticulously chosen to allow a child to progress and gain technical
proficiency. The accompanying music tapes provide an aural crutch and standard
by which students can chart their own progress.
Lastly, while there have been some notable exceptions, Suzuki was under no
illusion that he was going to produce a bumper crop of virtuosi, though he
surely had his share. His goal was to create a climate in which music could be
better appreciated by young and old, and raise the general benchmark levels of
musical performance. The major growth of community youth symphonies around the
U.S. and the rest of the world, even at a time when general understanding and
appreciation of classical music is on the decline, in part attests to Suzuki's
success. If today I have a single quibble with the application of Suzuki's
work, it is with some Suzuki teachers who, at some remove from the master,
elevate technique over musicianship, control and method over total involvement
and the free flight of the child's imagination. But then I wouldn't only say
that about Suzuki teachers!
Regardless of what we might think of Suzuki, after six months of sawing, Ali
informed us and her music teacher in no uncertain terms: she wanted to read the
notes. Out went Suzuki and in came Leopold Mozart, scales, and later, the
progressively more difficult exercise books...."
--
I will touring the East Coast September 1-19, giving homeschooling talks and
workshops related to "And the Skylark Sings with Me". For dates, and locations,
check out my website at www.skylarksings.com or send an e-mail to
shantinik@...
> maureen,David here ----
> my 4 yod has also expressed an interest in violin.the only downfall i've
> heard about suzuki is that it doesn't teach kids how to read music. however,
> most suzuki teachers seem to be well versed in other methods and may g o on
> to teach these at a later date. you may want to ask david (are you there
> david) about this too. his daughters have violin background.
> amy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peters <mkpeters@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 3:02 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] suzuki music lessons
>
> > Does anyone have any opinions on Suzuki music lessons. My 4.5 yod has
> > expressed an interest in learning the violin, so I'm considering Suzuki,
> > although the closest school is about a 45 min. drive away and she would
> > need to go twice/week. Any input would be appreciated.
> >
> > Maureen
Well, I guess I do have some expertise on this one. I'm attaching the little
section in my book ("And the Skylark Sings with Me") on Suzuki below. I'll be
happy to e-mail the whole chapter (and the little appendix on "How to Choose a
Music Teacher") to whomever asks.
The only thing I'd add to what I wrote below is that it is somewhat rare to find
a real Suzuki teacher in the U.S., outside of major cities. If you (as parent)
are not required to take instruction separately from your child, you are not
getting Suzuki -- that is integral to the method, and in Japan, there is no
"Suzuki" instruction without it.
The other thing I'd add (which I say at length in Skylark), is that no method is
the right one if it doesn't take account of the particularities of your own
child. I began with a strong bias in favor of the Suzuki method (and am still
biased in its favor), and yet ended up with two musical children, for neither of
whom was Suzuki the best approach. This is mainly because they didn't fit the
profile (as below.)
I'll be happy to share more as needed. (P.S. -- given other possible choices,
I DON'T recommend the violin for a child, unless she is REALLY committed to it
-- of all instruments -- with the possible exception of the oboe as I have
learned from my older one -- it is the instrument least likely to provide quick
gratification to the ear. There are other, better choices for most young 'ums,
piano being the first -- it is always in tune if you keep it that way, and your
child will be able to play a tune the first day!)
David
"Seeing and hearing Ali and our younger daughter Meera today, parents often ask
our opinion of the Suzuki method. This is despite the fact that neither of our
children learned by utilizing it. But for what it's worth, from what we know,
we look upon Suzuki quite favorably. Firstly, it must be said that Suzuki is
single-handedly responsible for hundreds or even thousands of string programs
springing up in elementary and middle schools across the country, which, for
some children, is the best experience they will ever have in school. When Ellen
and I were growing up, the violin was thought to be simply too difficult for all
but the most talented children. Band instruments, pianos, or even, perish the
thought, accordions! (I too have my own prejudices) were the recommended choices
for pre-teens. Now we know, thanks to Suzuki, that stringed instruments can be
taught effectively to children at an early age. Furthermore, recent brain
research suggests that for a string player to have any real hopes of succeeding,
instruction should commence before age 12 (and preferably much earlier) to
reinforce brain/fine-motor skill interactions. I would note, however, that my
own experience and that of the late John Holt, a founder of the modern
homeschooling movement who successfully took up the cello after age 40, are firm
reminders that our early childhoods do not have to be the sole determinants of
our musical destinies.
Secondly, Suzuki insists on substantial parental involvement, more than just
driving one's child to and from lessons. In some larger Suzuki schools
including most of those in Japan, parents are required to attend their own
classes while their children are learning. That level of parental commitment is
sure to redound to the child's benefit, as is the creation of a musical
community.
Thirdly, the early stages of Suzuki teaching focus on repetitive motion
training. It's rather like learning to throw a baseball the right way -- you're
more likely to get it if you do it a couple of thousand times. Repetitive
motion training is particularly useful for the majority of children who are
reasonably physically coordinated, have moderately good musical ears, but may
not yet be ready to tackle complex symbol systems.
Fourthly, the selections included in the well-edited Suzuki music books are
meticulously chosen to allow a child to progress and gain technical
proficiency. The accompanying music tapes provide an aural crutch and standard
by which students can chart their own progress.
Lastly, while there have been some notable exceptions, Suzuki was under no
illusion that he was going to produce a bumper crop of virtuosi, though he
surely had his share. His goal was to create a climate in which music could be
better appreciated by young and old, and raise the general benchmark levels of
musical performance. The major growth of community youth symphonies around the
U.S. and the rest of the world, even at a time when general understanding and
appreciation of classical music is on the decline, in part attests to Suzuki's
success. If today I have a single quibble with the application of Suzuki's
work, it is with some Suzuki teachers who, at some remove from the master,
elevate technique over musicianship, control and method over total involvement
and the free flight of the child's imagination. But then I wouldn't only say
that about Suzuki teachers!
Regardless of what we might think of Suzuki, after six months of sawing, Ali
informed us and her music teacher in no uncertain terms: she wanted to read the
notes. Out went Suzuki and in came Leopold Mozart, scales, and later, the
progressively more difficult exercise books...."
--
I will touring the East Coast September 1-19, giving homeschooling talks and
workshops related to "And the Skylark Sings with Me". For dates, and locations,
check out my website at www.skylarksings.com or send an e-mail to
shantinik@...
Benedict/Kosmacher
Consider the fiddle! Same instrument (violin) -- different spirit. My dd
wanted to play the violin and we just lucked out in finding a classcally
trained teacher and celtic fiddle performer. Here in New England there are
many opportunities to hear and dance to fiddle music and I imagine this is
true of other parts of the country as well. For our family this has made
for a wonderfully connecting community integrated musical experience. It
builds nicely on our family interest in folk music and my daughter's
passion for dance in any form. My husband is a big jazz enthusiast and
fiddling is also improvisational in nature so there's that connection too.
After 9 months Bella and I can "jam" together -- I play flute. This is an
incredible joy for me. She has joined in with other musicians and singers
at house parties. She is getting solid classical technique and also loves
to listen to classical music and attend classical concerts (and Ballet) but
fiddle music has definately captured her fancy. And it's not all jigs and
hoedown stuff by any means -- one of her favorite tunes of late "is a
rather sad Scottish waltz" (to quote her). It is incredibly beautiful!
Reading David's book I know that his daughter chose to pursue classical
instead of fiddling but I just wanted to put out another possible path out
there for those drawn to the violin. I too loved the story about the
children improvising together! Amy in NH
wanted to play the violin and we just lucked out in finding a classcally
trained teacher and celtic fiddle performer. Here in New England there are
many opportunities to hear and dance to fiddle music and I imagine this is
true of other parts of the country as well. For our family this has made
for a wonderfully connecting community integrated musical experience. It
builds nicely on our family interest in folk music and my daughter's
passion for dance in any form. My husband is a big jazz enthusiast and
fiddling is also improvisational in nature so there's that connection too.
After 9 months Bella and I can "jam" together -- I play flute. This is an
incredible joy for me. She has joined in with other musicians and singers
at house parties. She is getting solid classical technique and also loves
to listen to classical music and attend classical concerts (and Ballet) but
fiddle music has definately captured her fancy. And it's not all jigs and
hoedown stuff by any means -- one of her favorite tunes of late "is a
rather sad Scottish waltz" (to quote her). It is incredibly beautiful!
Reading David's book I know that his daughter chose to pursue classical
instead of fiddling but I just wanted to put out another possible path out
there for those drawn to the violin. I too loved the story about the
children improvising together! Amy in NH
David Albert
>My younger one is heavy into Irish flute music! (and both kids play Gershwin)
> Reading David's book I know that his daughter chose to pursue classical
> instead of fiddling but I just wanted to put out another possible path out
> there for those drawn to the violin. I too loved the story about the
> children improvising together! Amy in NH
david
>--
I will touring the East Coast September 1-19, giving homeschooling talks and
workshops related to "And the Skylark Sings with Me". For dates, and locations,
check out my website at www.skylarksings.com or send an e-mail to
shantinik@...
Benedict/Kosmacher
Hi Amy,
we're in Keene -- Bella's fiddle teacher is near Amhurst in Ma. and he also
teaches a boy her age who is also a homeschooler -- we hope to hook up with
them. Do I recall right that you are in Lowell?
Ever been to Wingarsheek Beach?
Amy
we're in Keene -- Bella's fiddle teacher is near Amhurst in Ma. and he also
teaches a boy her age who is also a homeschooler -- we hope to hook up with
them. Do I recall right that you are in Lowell?
Ever been to Wingarsheek Beach?
Amy
>Amy,
>where in nh are you?
>amy in ma
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Benedict/Kosmacher <amynjeff@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]music/violin
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Benedict/Kosmacher
YES! I hope some day to own a simple action (think that's what they're
called) celtic flute. They're usually black and more like a recorder in
range. Does she have one?
Amy (who is trying to get her extended family to read your book! -- we're
part Quaker too!)
called) celtic flute. They're usually black and more like a recorder in
range. Does she have one?
Amy (who is trying to get her extended family to read your book! -- we're
part Quaker too!)
>
>My younger one is heavy into Irish flute music! (and both kids play Gershwin)
>
>david
>
>>
>
>--
>I will touring the East Coast September 1-19, giving homeschooling talks and
>workshops related to "And the Skylark Sings with Me". For dates, and
>locations,
>check out my website at www.skylarksings.com or send an e-mail to
>shantinik@...
>
>
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We just confirmed a week of camping on cape cod a bit south of P. Town.
What do you mean by "educational"? We used to go to Wingarsheek all the
time when we lived in Brookline. It's well worth the 2 hours it takes us
to get there now. Are you hooked up with the Boston area homeschoolers at
all? Keene is nice but tends to be less diverse and not as socially
progressive as other places we have lived. Amy
What do you mean by "educational"? We used to go to Wingarsheek all the
time when we lived in Brookline. It's well worth the 2 hours it takes us
to get there now. Are you hooked up with the Boston area homeschoolers at
all? Keene is nice but tends to be less diverse and not as socially
progressive as other places we have lived. Amy
>yes we're in lowell. i've never been to wingarsheek, but understand it's
>spectacular (of course, i'm still recovering from just seeing the perfect
>storm---chills up spine). Anyway, one of my fondest childhood memories is of
>keene. when i was 16 my mom and i spent the night there. went out to dinner,
>saw a movie and shopped the next day. great bonding weekend. (then there was
>our one in p-town -educaional anyway). :)
>amy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Benedict/Kosmacher <amynjeff@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]music/violin
>
Amy
Amy,
where in nh are you?
amy in ma
where in nh are you?
amy in ma
----- Original Message -----
From: Benedict/Kosmacher <amynjeff@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]music/violin
>
> Consider the fiddle! Same instrument (violin) -- different spirit. My dd
> wanted to play the violin and we just lucked out in finding a classcally
> trained teacher and celtic fiddle performer. Here in New England there are
> many opportunities to hear and dance to fiddle music and I imagine this is
> true of other parts of the country as well. For our family this has made
> for a wonderfully connecting community integrated musical experience. It
> builds nicely on our family interest in folk music and my daughter's
> passion for dance in any form. My husband is a big jazz enthusiast and
> fiddling is also improvisational in nature so there's that connection too.
> After 9 months Bella and I can "jam" together -- I play flute. This is an
> incredible joy for me. She has joined in with other musicians and singers
> at house parties. She is getting solid classical technique and also loves
> to listen to classical music and attend classical concerts (and Ballet)
but
> fiddle music has definately captured her fancy. And it's not all jigs and
> hoedown stuff by any means -- one of her favorite tunes of late "is a
> rather sad Scottish waltz" (to quote her). It is incredibly beautiful!
> Reading David's book I know that his daughter chose to pursue classical
> instead of fiddling but I just wanted to put out another possible path out
> there for those drawn to the violin. I too loved the story about the
> children improvising together! Amy in NH
>
>
>
>
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David Albert
Benedict/Kosmacher wrote:
a fraction of its value on E-bay.
david
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workshops related to "And the Skylark Sings with Me". For dates, and locations,
check out my website at www.skylarksings.com or send an e-mail to
shantinik@...
> YES! I hope some day to own a simple action (think that's what they'reNo. She owns an absolutely wonderful all-silver Pearl 761 which we picked up for
> called) celtic flute. They're usually black and more like a recorder in
> range. Does she have one?
>
a fraction of its value on E-bay.
> Amy (who is trying to get her extended family to read your book! -- we'reI hope the good part!
> part Quaker too!)
>
david
--
I will touring the East Coast September 1-19, giving homeschooling talks and
workshops related to "And the Skylark Sings with Me". For dates, and locations,
check out my website at www.skylarksings.com or send an e-mail to
shantinik@...
Benedict/Kosmacher
-- we're
fathers Jewish roots.
We have a wonderful storytelling Rabbi and spirited Synagogue which is our
spiritual home for the present. I've seen you on the Jewish Friends list.
Amy
>> part Quaker too!)LOL.......actually I'm wholly Quaker but my daughter has led us into her
>>
>
>I hope the good part!
>
>david
>
fathers Jewish roots.
We have a wonderful storytelling Rabbi and spirited Synagogue which is our
spiritual home for the present. I've seen you on the Jewish Friends list.
Amy
Benedict/Kosmacher
my dh has explained -- So much to learn about in the world! : )
amy
i was being facicous when i said educational. i was a young, niave, 16yo.
amy
i was being facicous when i said educational. i was a young, niave, 16yo.
>when we went there. it was a real eye opener for me when we were walking
>down the street, saw a woman, and i said "oh mom, i love her dress." then
>"she" spoke. you can imagine my surprise. that's what i meant by
>educational. :)
>amy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Benedict/Kosmacher <amynjeff@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]music/violin
>
>
>> We just confirmed a week of camping on cape cod a bit south of P. Town.
>> What do you mean by "educational"? We used to go to Wingarsheek all the
>> time when we lived in Brookline. It's well worth the 2 hours it takes us
>> to get there now. Are you hooked up with the Boston area homeschoolers at
>> all? Keene is nice but tends to be less diverse and not as socially
>> progressive as other places we have lived. Amy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >yes we're in lowell. i've never been to wingarsheek, but understand it's
>> >spectacular (of course, i'm still recovering from just seeing the perfect
>> >storm---chills up spine). Anyway, one of my fondest childhood memories is
>of
>> >keene. when i was 16 my mom and i spent the night there. went out to
>dinner,
>> >saw a movie and shopped the next day. great bonding weekend. (then there
>was
>> >our one in p-town -educaional anyway). :)
>> >amy
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>> >To: <[email protected]>
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Amy
yes we're in lowell. i've never been to wingarsheek, but understand it's
spectacular (of course, i'm still recovering from just seeing the perfect
storm---chills up spine). Anyway, one of my fondest childhood memories is of
keene. when i was 16 my mom and i spent the night there. went out to dinner,
saw a movie and shopped the next day. great bonding weekend. (then there was
our one in p-town -educaional anyway). :)
amy
spectacular (of course, i'm still recovering from just seeing the perfect
storm---chills up spine). Anyway, one of my fondest childhood memories is of
keene. when i was 16 my mom and i spent the night there. went out to dinner,
saw a movie and shopped the next day. great bonding weekend. (then there was
our one in p-town -educaional anyway). :)
amy
----- Original Message -----
From: Benedict/Kosmacher <amynjeff@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]music/violin
> Hi Amy,
> we're in Keene -- Bella's fiddle teacher is near Amhurst in Ma. and he
also
> teaches a boy her age who is also a homeschooler -- we hope to hook up
with
> them. Do I recall right that you are in Lowell?
> Ever been to Wingarsheek Beach?
> Amy
>
>
>
>
>
> >Amy,
> >where in nh are you?
> >amy in ma
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Benedict/Kosmacher <amynjeff@...>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:08 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]music/violin
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Amy
i was being facicous when i said educational. i was a young, niave, 16yo.
when we went there. it was a real eye opener for me when we were walking
down the street, saw a woman, and i said "oh mom, i love her dress." then
"she" spoke. you can imagine my surprise. that's what i meant by
educational. :)
amy
when we went there. it was a real eye opener for me when we were walking
down the street, saw a woman, and i said "oh mom, i love her dress." then
"she" spoke. you can imagine my surprise. that's what i meant by
educational. :)
amy
----- Original Message -----
From: Benedict/Kosmacher <amynjeff@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]music/violin
> We just confirmed a week of camping on cape cod a bit south of P. Town.
> What do you mean by "educational"? We used to go to Wingarsheek all the
> time when we lived in Brookline. It's well worth the 2 hours it takes us
> to get there now. Are you hooked up with the Boston area homeschoolers at
> all? Keene is nice but tends to be less diverse and not as socially
> progressive as other places we have lived. Amy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >yes we're in lowell. i've never been to wingarsheek, but understand it's
> >spectacular (of course, i'm still recovering from just seeing the perfect
> >storm---chills up spine). Anyway, one of my fondest childhood memories is
of
> >keene. when i was 16 my mom and i spent the night there. went out to
dinner,
> >saw a movie and shopped the next day. great bonding weekend. (then there
was
> >our one in p-town -educaional anyway). :)
> >amy
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Benedict/Kosmacher <amynjeff@...>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]music/violin
> >
>
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> Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
> Remember the good 'ol days
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