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In a message dated 7/2/00 6:31:26 PM, naake1999@... writes:

<< I have a funny story on this topic... I was with a group of moms and the
topic turned to toilet-training, and one of them, who was then very
determinedly training her 22-month-old son, >>

I read another story of a Mom who used M&Ms to try and train her son. She
bought a big 2 pound bag and kept them in the bathroom, and her son would get
one or more pieces depending on what he did. It didn't work at all, but the
Mom felt temporarily better the afternoon she locked herself in the bathroom
and ate nearly 2 pounds of M&Ms by herself...

Carol

Bonnie Painter

Speaking of toilet training, any ideas? My dd is 3 and almost 1/2 and she
seems to have no inclination at all to use the potty. Granted, she has had
constipation problems for over a year now which sometimes makes eliminating
painful, but please....

Any advice would be appreciated.

Bonnie


>From: "Annette Naake" <naake1999@...>
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>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] privileges
>Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 20:30:43 CDT
>
><< I don't use time-out or any other such form of punishment. I
>wouldn't remove 'privileges' (what do people regard as privileges,
>anyhow? This is a serious question, btw, I've never quite
>understood this term) unless they were directly involved ...
>
>
>I have a funny story on this topic... I was with a group of moms and the
>topic turned to toilet-training, and one of them, who was then very
>determinedly training her 22-month-old son, said that when he messed up,
>she
>would take away privileges.
>
>I was at a loss to imagine what would be a privilege for a 22-month-old...
>bedtime story? his teddy bear?
>
>Annette
>
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Zak didn't start going in the toilet until my friend came over with her two
boys. Just before they were leaving after their playdate the boys stood in
the garden and peed... Zak thought this was wonderful and did the same, When
I suggested he could use the toilet as well, he said "ok I'll go there
too"... We alternated between the garden and the toilet for a while. It took
a lot to convince him that going in the bathroom was a better idea than the
garden unless we were camping.

With bm's that was more difficult. He used a pull up for the longest time
and we went along with it. Then we tried to take them away and he would hold
and then go everywhere. This was all still going on 6 months ago... Then I
just decided to give up as they are his bowls and it's something in his
little life he has control over. So we stopped bothering him. We told him
we were not buying anymore pull ups when that pack ran out and he'd have to
figure out what to do all by himself. There were a couple of accidents where
he didn't make it to the toilet, but within a few days he was going on his
own and was dry at night as well.

I will definately not make a big deal out of it for Max... I think it was far
more stressful for Steve and I than for Zak.. He seemed to love the power he
had over us.

Dawn F

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Bonnie,
My daughter trained because I let her run around the house naked to whole
time we were at home. Plus when she was in a diaper, I used cloth. She
could not stand the wet on her bottom. She told me she didn't want to wear a
diaper and I said she had 2 choices, diaper or pee in the potty. This seems
to push her to learn how to control her body. She was potty trained around 2
1/2 or so...

Julie

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In a message dated 07/03/2000 3:19:50 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
bonniepainter@... writes:

<<
Any advice would be appreciated.

Bonnie
>>


Patience!! Large doses of patience.

Nance (neither of my kids were out of diapers until they were 4)

susan wilson

our experience was similar. people ask me about potty training and
i've had to say it was a non-event. rene' i think he started using
the tiolet around 2 (we had a potty chair but he never used it) and
was completely out of diapers - night time included- by around 3 1/2.
i think he had 2 or 3 accidence all while he was sleeping but nothing
since he turned 4.

we used cloth but mostly only for night and for going on trips, at
home he was naked most of the time (we did use paper when i got sick -
he was 20 months but switched back for the last 9 months or so). i
think because we never made a big deal about it, for the first 2 years
when he peed or pooped i just cleaned it up. but he always came in
the bathroom when someone else was in there so he saw others using the
tiolet. when he was around 2 i felt he could understand and when he
peed on the floor i told him he was quiet capable to use the tiolet so
he had to stop going on the floor and he did. it was that simple -
one time. pooping was not a big deal either, in fact he used the
tiolet all the time for pooping before he did for peeing, but i think
this is because he had the oportunity to explore his poop (when i
wasn't quite fast enough in clean-up :) but we have hardwood floors -
with carpeting this doesn't make a lot of sense:)

-susan,
austin,tx

> Bonnie,
> My daughter trained because I let her run around the house naked to
whole
> time we were at home. Plus when she was in a diaper, I used cloth.
She
> could not stand the wet on her bottom. She told me she didn't want
to wear
> a
> diaper and I said she had 2 choices, diaper or pee in the potty.
This seems
> to push her to learn how to control her body. She was potty trained
around
> 2
> 1/2 or so...
>
> Julie

>

Tracy Oldfield

ROFLTNTWMK Hahahahahahahaha

Tracy

On 2 Jul 2000, at 21:59, sognokids@... wrote:



I read another story of a Mom who used M&Ms to try and
train her son. She 
bought a big 2 pound bag and kept them in the bathroom,
and her son would get 
one or more pieces depending on what he did. It didn't
work at all, but the 
Mom felt temporarily better the afternoon she locked
herself in the bathroom 
and ate nearly 2 pounds of M&Ms by herself...

Carol

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Y'know, I'm thinking this technique looks pretty good about now.

> It didn't work at all, but the 
> Mom felt temporarily better the afternoon she locked
> herself in the bathroom 
> and ate nearly 2 pounds of M&Ms by herself...

My ds occasionally wants to wear training pants, but pees in them. Oh well.

But he will reliably pee in the tub.

:-) Diane

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In a message dated 7/3/00 4:52:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tracy.oldfield@... writes:

<< TNTWMK >>
someone please explain this to me....you lost me after rolling on the floor
laughing.

Julie

Tracy Oldfield

I used to look after a friend's kids, the boy was in pull-ups, he
used to poo in them, then tear them down the side to take them
off and hide them behind the chair. 2 of these and I put nappies
back on...

Tracy

On 3 Jul 2000, at 17:44, cen46624@... wrote:



My ds occasionally wants to wear training pants, but
pees in them. Oh well.

But he will reliably pee in the tub.

:-) Diane

Tracy Oldfield

'Trying not to wet my knickers.' Just a Brit-spin on the whole
thing <g>

Tracy

On 3 Jul 2000, at 18:08, Jaam1224@... wrote:


<< TNTWMK >>
someone please explain this to me....you lost me after
rolling on the floor 
laughing.

Julie

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Thanks Tracy! I was totally lost......hee hee hee

JUlie

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In a message dated 7/2/00 9:31:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
naake1999@... writes:

<< I was at a loss to imagine what would be a privilege for a 22-month-old...
bedtime story? his teddy bear?
>>

i'm still hardpressed to think of "privileges" that matter to my 11 year old,
let alone a 22 month old... that's pretty bizarre...

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<< Speaking of toilet training, any ideas? My dd is 3 and almost 1/2 and she
seems to have no inclination at all to use the potty. Granted, she has had
constipation problems for over a year now which sometimes makes eliminating
painful, but please....

Any advice would be appreciated. >>

I read a book when my 1st was a baby called "toilet training in 1 day"...
there were some really crappy ideas in it, but some really great ones too...
i used some of those... and ironically, it's still the same principle i use
to "train" my kids... it's showing them consequences(not giving them
consequences)... and letting them choose their own action... so here's what i
did... ted was 2 1/2 at the time... and it truly took only one day... I
bought him a baby doll that wet with a nice dress on... he was thrilled... i
told him that since it was his baby, he had to take care of her... which
thrilled him even more... i gave him lots of juice that morning... and i
gave him juice to feed his baby... the baby peed the diaper... i said, "ok,
she's going to be doing that alot... just like you do... so you have to clean
her up and change her just like mommy does you.".... i continued to give him
all of his favorite juices that morning... and he would give him to his
dolly... at one point we were watching sesame street... he wanted some juice
and i suggested he give some to his baby... when she peed, he sighed and got
up to go clean her diaper... he didn't want to leave the show... but i said
that he couldn't leave her sitting in pee pee... it might give her diaper
rash... i suggested that maybe he teach her to go on the potty... he thought
that was a wonderful idea and so it goes... he peed the potty from that day
on... teaching the baby was the key... he was tired of washing out diapers
and panties... of course, i empathized with him... he used his potty chair
after that...

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In a message dated 7/3/00 4:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tracy.oldfield@... writes:

<< 'we expect you to
'misbehave,' so we're establishing what your punishment will be
already.' Does anyone else follow this logic, or is it just me?
>>

i know what you mean, but when i think of "privileges" i think of what we
learned in drivers ed... "Driving in the state of NJ is a privilege granted
to law abiding citizens"... lol... gad that was 30 years ago... i remember
thinking it was my right to drive... but the state didn't see it that way...
my 14 year old son thinks it's his right to spend 7 hours a day on the
telephone... i think an hour or two is a privilege for a young man, after his
homework and chores are done... it kind of sends a message about immediate
gratification too...

Cathie _

I have a good one, too. When I thought it was getting way to long for
Michael to go the potty, I tried bribery. I hate gum and my kids hardly ever
get any, so I bought a bunch of gum and said that whenever Michael pees in
the potty, Everyone gets gum. I thought that then they would all be
encouraging him to go. It worked great-Mike started peeing and all the kids
would cheer him on. Then, about 5 years later, I found out that it was Ricky
who was peeing in the little potty, telling me it was Mike, and they were
all in on it!! See what bribery gets you-cheaters!! And eventually Mike went
anyway, so I guess it was me who learned the lesson that time.

Cathie


>
>In a message dated 7/2/00 6:31:26 PM, naake1999@... writes:
>
><< I have a funny story on this topic... I was with a group of moms and the
>topic turned to toilet-training, and one of them, who was then very
>determinedly training her 22-month-old son, >>
>
>I read another story of a Mom who used M&Ms to try and train her son. She
>bought a big 2 pound bag and kept them in the bathroom, and her son would
>get
>one or more pieces depending on what he did. It didn't work at all, but
>the
>Mom felt temporarily better the afternoon she locked herself in the
>bathroom
>and ate nearly 2 pounds of M&Ms by herself...
>
>Carol

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Are you still in NJ? so are we, near Trenton.

Bonnie


>From: Whyner@...
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] privileges
>Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:58:13 EDT
>
>In a message dated 7/3/00 4:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>tracy.oldfield@... writes:
>
><< 'we expect you to
> 'misbehave,' so we're establishing what your punishment will be
> already.' Does anyone else follow this logic, or is it just me?
> >>
>
>i know what you mean, but when i think of "privileges" i think of what we
>learned in drivers ed... "Driving in the state of NJ is a privilege granted
>to law abiding citizens"... lol... gad that was 30 years ago... i remember
>thinking it was my right to drive... but the state didn't see it that
>way...
>my 14 year old son thinks it's his right to spend 7 hours a day on the
>telephone... i think an hour or two is a privilege for a young man, after
>his
>homework and chores are done... it kind of sends a message about immediate
>gratification too...

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Tracy Oldfield

Well, heck! I never thought I'd see a use for those dolls!!! That's
great, and I may just have to remember it! The only other thing I
do is just not put knicks on her cos she remebers when she's bare,
but not when she has undies on.

Tracy

On 4 Jul 2000, at 8:45, Whyner@... wrote:

the baby peed the diaper... i said, "ok, 
she's going to be doing that alot... just like you
do... so you have to clean 
her up and change her just like mommy does you.".... i
continued to give him 
all of his favorite juices that morning... and he would
give him to his 
dolly... at one point we were watching sesame street...
he wanted some juice 
and i suggested he give some to his baby... when she
peed, he sighed and got 
up to go clean her diaper... he didn't want to leave
the show... but i said 
that he couldn't leave her sitting in pee pee... it
might give her diaper 
rash... i suggested that maybe he teach her to go on
the potty... he thought 
that was a wonderful idea and so it goes... he peed the
potty from that day 
on... teaching the baby was the key... he was tired of
washing out diapers 
and panties... of course, i empathized with him... he
used his potty chair 
after that...

Tracy Oldfield

I don't know if you actually call it a privilege, to him I mean, but I
would prefer to appeal to the better nature, so to speak, by
explaining that the phone is there for the use of the whole house,
therefore the time on it needs to be limited. Once again it comes
down to stuff being internal instead of external. My3&1/2dd
apologised to me today for not putting something in the bin. I just
said 'bin,' a la Faber and Mazlish, and she said 'oop, sorry,' and
rushed to the bin. Shock horror!!! But there again I didn't use the
phone that much when I was 14 (too skint) and don't have 14yo
kids myself. No doubt my position may change with changing
circumstances <g>

Tracy

On 4 Jul 2000, at 8:58, Whyner@... wrote:

i know what you mean, but when i think of "privileges"
i think of what we 
learned in drivers ed... "Driving in the state of NJ is
a privilege granted 
to law abiding citizens"... lol... gad that was 30
years ago... i remember 
thinking it was my right to drive... but the state
didn't see it that way... 
my 14 year old son thinks it's his right to spend 7
hours a day on the 
telephone... i think an hour or two is a privilege for
a young man, after his 
homework and chores are done... it kind of sends a
message about immediate 
gratification too...

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In a message dated 7/4/2000 1:28:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
tracy.oldfield@... writes:

<< Faber and Mazlish >>

Are those the people that wrote "How to Talk So Kids will Listen and Listen
so Kids Will Talk"? I think it is.. I've used a lot of techniques with Zak
such as saying "the door's open" instead of "shut the door" or "the cushions
are all over the floor and it's dinner time" and he seems to respond really
well by picking things up or shutting the door. It's strange when we have
people here who say to their kids "shut the door" as Zak says "that means you
need to close is after you" (g)

Dawn F

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In a message dated 7/4/00 10:10:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cathie_98@... writes:

<< Then, about 5 years later, I found out that it was Ricky
who was peeing in the little potty, telling me it was Mike, and they were
all in on it!! See what bribery gets you-cheaters!! And eventually Mike went
anyway, so I guess it was me who learned the lesson that time. >>

what a great story... never underestimate the resourcefulness of kids, eh?

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In a message dated 7/4/00 11:17:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bonniepainter@... writes:

<< Are you still in NJ? so are we, near Trenton.

Bonni >>

yes, south jersey, near cherry hill

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In a message dated 7/4/00 10:29:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
NumoAstro@... writes:

<< Are those the people that wrote "How to Talk So Kids will Listen and
Listen
so Kids Will Talk"? I think it is.. I've used a lot of techniques with Zak
such as saying "the door's open" instead of "shut the door" or "the cushions
are all over the floor and it's dinner time" and he seems to respond really
well by picking things up or shutting the door. It's strange when we have
people here who say to their kids "shut the door" as Zak says "that means
you
need to close is after you" (g)
>>

yup, same ones... that's the one i read... loved it... worked great on little
guys... now, if i say, "the cushions are all over the floor and it's dinner
time"... my kids will say, "so... pick them up"... lol...

Bonnie Painter

I wanted to thank everyone for their potty training ideas and stories. I
feel much better about things now. I might try the doll idea, although my
dd is somewhat spoiled and probably will expect me to change the doll <LOL>

Thanks,

Bonnie


>From: Whyner@...
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] privileges
>Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:13:57 EDT
>
>In a message dated 7/4/00 10:10:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>cathie_98@... writes:
>
><< Then, about 5 years later, I found out that it was Ricky
> who was peeing in the little potty, telling me it was Mike, and they
>were
> all in on it!! See what bribery gets you-cheaters!! And eventually Mike
>went
> anyway, so I guess it was me who learned the lesson that time. >>
>
>what a great story... never underestimate the resourcefulness of kids, eh?

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My in-laws live in Pennsauken. We are going to Cooper River on Thursday to
see fireworks (I think, dh talked to dfil so I'm not positive about this).
My ds takes fencing in Cinnaminson, so we are down that way every Thursday.

It's nice to have someone so nearby.

Bonnie


>From: Whyner@...
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>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] privileges
>Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:15:27 EDT
>
>In a message dated 7/4/00 11:17:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>bonniepainter@... writes:
>
><< Are you still in NJ? so are we, near Trenton.
>
> Bonni >>
>
>yes, south jersey, near cherry hill

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Those are they <g> I met them when I read Siblings without
Rivalry while expecting Abi, trying to get a head start or
something. It really clicked, like some other stuff (but then that's
an aspect of me, I tend to go into raptures about stuff I read, then
have to spend some time actually 'trying it on' to see if it's really
'me' or just my enthusiasm for the written word. The curse of the
early reader, I think <g>) though I really ought to read them all
again, regularly!

Tracy

On 4 Jul 2000, at 22:28, NumoAstro@... wrote:

Are those the people that wrote "How to Talk So Kids
will Listen and Listen 
so Kids Will Talk"? I think it is.. I've used a lot of
techniques with Zak 
such as saying "the door's open" instead of "shut the
door" or "the cushions 
are all over the floor and it's dinner time" and he
seems to respond really 
well by picking things up or shutting the door. It's
strange when we have 
people here who say to their kids "shut the door" as
Zak says "that means you 
need to close is after you" (g)

Dawn F

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Whyner@... writes:

> yes, south jersey, near cherry hill

Hey! Weve got family out there! Ewan, Cherry Hill, Williamstown...

:-) Diane