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Billy or Nancy

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Back in July, we let you know about the Author’s Special Pre-publication
Edition of “The Underground History of American Education: A Schoolteachers
Intimate Investigation Into the Problem of Modern Schooling,” by John Taylor
Gatto. We told you that the first market edition would be released on
January 31, 2001.

Many of you asked what an “Author’s Special Pre-publication Edition” was and
how it would differ from a “first market edition.” We explained that John
had actually published the book himself in the full format he wanted to see
released. He was concerned that most publishers would argue against a 3
pound, 412 page book and would want to edit it down to a smaller size. By
publishing it himself (the Author’s special edition)and demonstrating that
there was a good market for the book as is, he hoped to be in a stronger
negotiating position when he made a deal with a bigger publishing company.
His original intent was to have a deal with a publisher by the end of the
year and to have them release the first edition for the general market by
the end of January.

There have been some changes and a special offer for purchasers of the book.
A documentary based on John’s book is now in the works. Because of the film,
John want’s to stay flexible and keep all of his options open, so he has
decided not to make a deal with any publishers for the rights to his book
this year. There will be no first market edition in January. John will
continue to publish the current edition until late next spring. At that
time, he may consider making a deal with a publisher, but he has decided
that he will not allow a reduction in the size of the book. Subsequent
printings will correct a few typos, and the cover art may be changed to
something that will reproduce better in catalogs, but the book will remain
the same.

Now here’s another great reason to purchase this book. Everyone who
purchases a copy before September, 2001 is eligible for what John is calling
a “Writer’s Vacation.” A drawing will be held during the first week of
September, 2001 and the winner will get airfare and up to a month in an
ocean view apartment with three bedrooms in Alicante, Spain for use between
November 30 and March 30 when the weather in Alicante is spring-like. If
enough books are sold, John might even throw in airfare for an additional
person and a free rental car for two weeks!

Everyone who has purchased “The Underground History of American Education”
from FUN Books is eligible for this drawing and can participate by sending
in a post card. With every purchase, we will include directions on what to
put on your postcard and where to send it. If you purchased a copy from us
before this offer was made, you are still eligible to participate. Just send
an e-mail message to fun@... with your name and address. We will
then send you the information needed to enter the drawing.

To read a review of the book and for information on purchasing it, go to:
http://www.FUN-Books.com/john_taylor_gatto.htm

Raley Family

I want to thank you all for the last few days.  I have enjoyed some of the posts, but others have made me realize that as a Christian, I have many different views of what is appropriate for children, and I don't think I can stay on without preaching to you (ha).  So God bless you all in you efforts to school your children.  If anyone would like to keep in touch, my personal email is :  raley@digitalpassage.com.
Carla Raley
Jacksboro, Texas
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.    Joshua 24:15

Kate Josephs

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Lynda

Sorry you feel the need to leave. It isn't the *list* that is that way,
simply a small number of the members <g> Don't give up on unschooling as
this is not what most unschoolers are all about!

Lynda, who may occasionally by obsessive but certainly is not humorless <g>

If a cluttered desk top is the sign of a cluttered mind, what is an empty
desk top a sign of?
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Oh dear, I must be lacking in sleep. The first thought I had after reading
this was COMPANY IS COMING! Ha, ha, ha, ROFL!!
Ann (who should probably take a nap today)


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Karen

I'm leaving also. This list is like a teenage list. Just a bunch of mudslinging with barely any support for each other. I do moderate my own list The Learning Endeavor....where this stuff doesnt go on much....but we support each other instead. I can't see not offering any of you to join....who are looking for support...instead of petty arguments about "who's right" To join, send a blank email to [email protected]

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on 5/13/02 11:10 AM, Betty Holder at ninnyridge03@... wrote:

> Is there any *graduates* of unschooling with success stories to tell??

They are out there. It's just tough to find the people and their stories
because when people are living contented lives, they generally don't have a
burning need to go out and tell everyone how they did it. Whereas if they
have complaints, then they have a powerful need to vent to whoever will
listen ;-)

Peter Kowalke is one grown unschooler. He has a webpage at
http://www.peterkowalke.com/

Grace Llewellyn runs the Not Back to School Camp (http://www.nbtsc.org) and
they have a message board. I'd bet many of the kids keep in touch after
they've moved on.

> You see I still have this FEAR that my child is missing something from this
> that I will regret years down the road.

It helps if you can try to identify what exactly you're afraid he'll miss.
Too often we end up choosing the path laid out by "experts" because we're
certain there are things we'd never think to ask about but that the experts
have already asked all possible questions and found answers to them.

School-type learning (eg, making sure they cover "the essentials") is *one*
solution. But it's a solution with it's own flaws. Learning "because it's
important to your future" is hard and time consuming and is designed more to
provide feedback that the things were taught not that they were learned.

So what is it you're afraid he'll miss? If you can pinpoint your worries,
they can be dealt with.

> Unschooling sounds good and seems to
> work as far as keeping my son happy with learning. But I'm having serious
> doubts that HE is learning all he will need later.

If we assume there's a body of learning that is unconnected to what it would
be used for, then that's a legitimate worry.

Unfortunately school gives us the impression that there's a *huge* body of
knowledge that's unconnected to its use. Mainly because schools teach it
that way: isolated and out of context. The only way to learn math seems to
be to do a gazillion math problems. The only way to learn science seems to
be to memorize all the answers scientists have discovered. The only way to
learn history is to start at the beginning and go through all the
"important" events to present day.

But when we learn by living life, all that stuff becomes tools that we pick
up and use for the purpose intended. There's no reason not to use (and learn
as a side effect) math when there are games and stuff to spend allowance on
and things to figure out. There's no reason not to use science when the
world is full of wonderous things and a child is filled with curiosity. (It
won't look like school science. It will look like -- and *be* -- real
science: observing and asking questions and theorizing what could be the
cause.) There's no reason to not use history when the past is full of
stories of interesting people and places and events.

> I also have to disagree with the TV watching. NO CHILD, unschooled,
> homeschooled, public schooled, or anything else can benefit from watching ALL
> the TV they want!!

What if you said "NO CHILD can benefit from reading ALL the books they
want!!" or "NO CHILD can benefit from playing ALL the games they want!!"

It's assuming (or extrapolating from some different situation) that when
children are allowed all the TV they want, they'll do little else, that
they'll spend years watching indescriminately.

Why would they?

*If* TV is controlled and doled out like a prize, then they'll watch garbage
just because TV is so precious. *If* they are in school, they'll often watch
TV as a way of depressurizing after school.

Unschooled kids, given free access to TV have neither of those reasons for
watching TV.

> Sorry folks, but that's just my opinion.

But are you basing what you say on your opinion of what will happen or on
personal knowledge of allowing your kids for many months to watch as much TV
as they want?

> There's far too much GARBAGE on TV to have a positive influence.

Why do you think children would choose deliberately to watch garbage? Do our
tastes need to be molded by experts in what is good in order to choose what
is good? Or can our kids develop their own sense of what is good and bad by
experiencing good and bad and deciding from their experience what is useful
to them and what is not?

Or are children such slaves to a need to be entertained that they'd choose
garbge over going somewhere or doing something they enjoy with mom?

> THere is no requirement of
> thinking for a child when they watch hours of TV.

Maybe if children feel overloaded and are choosing TV as a way to turn off
the pressures they have no control over. (As schooled kids might.)

But since my daughter absorbes tons of stuff -- things that relate to her
world as well as the adult world -- then I'd say she's doing a great deal of
thinking.

> I don't care how *Good* the
> programs are. Children develop mentally by THINKING, using their imagination,
> creativity!!!!!!!

And many children find TV a great fodder for thinking, imagination and
creativity. Pokemon has branched off into a huge number of things that
relate to adult knowledge and adult skills.

But I think we also need to recognize the value of their needs as the people
they are right now. Memorizing all 251 Pokemon isn't something she'll use
much as an adult -- though it exercises skills she'll use as an adult -- but
it's something that's important to the person she is right now. And feeding
what's important to her right now is what will help her become the person
she will be.

> How can people think that PS is a bad influence but then can let the child
> sit in front of the TV hours on end???

Because there's more than passively watching involved in PS. There's being
there by force, listening to and doing something they don't care to learn.

A child watching TV is choosing what appeals to him, what *he* finds useful.

> And I don't believe they are watching
> *EDUCATIONAL* programs all this time. Children learn from TV good and bad.
> Are these parents who allow unlimited TV being selective about what they
> watch?

There isn't a need to. Children are self-selective. My daughter may choose
things that I wouldn't choose for her, but she has needs that are different
than mine. I'm not sure what she's getting out of Squarebob Spongepants, but
the enthusiasm with which she watches it and then replays verbally for me
all the episodes, means there's something important to her.

She won't watch anything that's scary or sexual any more than she'd watch a
political talk show. Her world is divided into useful to her and not useful
to her rather than good and forbidden.

I am selective about what *I* watch. There are R movies that we choose to
watch when she isn't there or has other things to occupy her. We don't force
her to choose between watching an adult movie with us vs being alone. But
given full freedom to choose anything she wants, she doesn't choose the
things I would protect her from anyway.

Joyce


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Fetteroll

There have been a fair number of people writing to the list to unsubscribe.
I can do it for people but it may take a day for me to get around to it so
it really isn't very efficient.

The instructions are at the bottom of each email, but here they are a bit
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Anyone who wants to unsubscribe, the directions are down there at the bottom
of every email. It's *way* faster than waiting around for me to find the
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Karin

This address:

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must be in the "To" section of the e-mail.
You are just sending the e-mail to the regular
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It's also very easy to unsubscribe from the yahoo website. You just click on
the "unsubscribe me from this group" button and that's all.

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