Vicki

I just received this poem in my email from my local homeschooling
group. The ladies there think this is SO right on about teenagers.
As I read it, I found I had a much different opinion and it made me
glad I raised MY teenagers differently. Now I'm thinking about re-
writing this with a more positive and unschooling frame of mind. I
gotta be responsible and finish my January paperwork before I
indulge, so if anyone would like to give it a shot, feel free to jump
in. I'd love to read a MUCH more positive spin.

Vicki





DON'T MESS WITH MOM

My son came home from school one day,
with a smirk upon his face.
He decided he was smart enough,
to put me in my place.

"Guess what I learned in Civics Two,
that's taught by Mr. Wright?
It's all about the laws today,
The 'Children's Bill of Rights.'

It says I need not clean my room,
don't have to cut my hair
No one can tell me what to think,
or speak, or what to wear.

I have freedom from religion,
and regardless what you say,
I don't have to bow my head d,
and I sure don't have to pray.

I can wear earrings if I want,
and pierce my tongue & nose.
I can read & watch just what I like,
get tattoos from head to toe.

And if you ever spank me,
I'll charge you with a crime.
I'll back up all my charges,
with the marks on my behind.

Don't you ever touch me,
my body's only for my use,
not for your hugs and kisses,
that's just more child abuse.

Don't preach about your morals,
like your Mama did to you.
That's nothing more than mind control,
And it's illegal too!

Mom, I have these children's rights,
so you can't influence me,
or I'll call Children's Services Division,
better known as C.S.D."

Of course my first instinct was
to toss him out the door.
But the chance to teach him a lesson
made me think a little more.

I mulled it over carefully,
I couldn't let this go.
A smile crept upon my face,
he's messing with a pro.

Next day I took him shopping
at the local Goodwill Store.
I told him, "Pick out all you want,
there's shirts & pants galore.

I've called and checked with C.S.D.
who said they didn't care
if I bought you K-Mart shoes
instead of those Nike Airs.

I've canceled that appointment
to take your driver's test.
The C.S.D. is unconcerned
so I'll decide what's best."

I said "No time to stop and eat,
or pick up stuff to munch.
And tomorrow you can start to learn
to make your own sack lunch.

Just save the raging appetite,
and wait till dinner time.
We're having liver and onions,
a favorite dish of mine."

He asked "Can I please rent a movie,
to watch on my VCR?"
"Sorry, but I sold your TV,
for new tires on my car.

I also rented out your room,
you'll take the couch instead.
The C.S.D. requires
just a roof over your head.

Your clothing won't be trendy now,
I'll choose what we eat.
That allowance that you used to get,
will buy me something neat.

I'm selling off your jet ski,
dirt-bike & roller blades.
Check out the 'Parents Bill of Rights',
It's in effect today!

Hey hot shot, are you crying,
Why are you on your knees?
Are you asking God to help you out,
instead of C.S.D..?"

Send to all people that have teenagers or have already raised
teenagers, or have children who will soon be teenagers or those who
will be parents someday OR ANYONE WHO'D JUST GET A LAUGH ...I love
this One!!!

pebsflower

--Awesome! thanks for sharing. It does bring up some very good points!

Pebs
- In [email protected], "Vicki" <vickisue_gray@...> wrote:
>
> I just received this poem in my email from my local homeschooling
> group. The ladies there think this is SO right on about teenagers.
> As I read it, I found I had a much different opinion and it made me
> glad I raised MY teenagers differently. Now I'm thinking about re-
> writing this with a more positive and unschooling frame of mind. I
> gotta be responsible and finish my January paperwork before I
> indulge, so if anyone would like to give it a shot, feel free to jump
> in. I'd love to read a MUCH more positive spin.
>
> Vicki
>
>
>
>
>
> DON'T MESS WITH MOM
>
> My son came home from school one day,
> with a smirk upon his face.
> He decided he was smart enough,
> to put me in my place.
>
> "Guess what I learned in Civics Two,
> that's taught by Mr. Wright?
> It's all about the laws today,
> The 'Children's Bill of Rights.'
>
> It says I need not clean my room,
> don't have to cut my hair
> No one can tell me what to think,
> or speak, or what to wear.
>
> I have freedom from religion,
> and regardless what you say,
> I don't have to bow my head d,
> and I sure don't have to pray.
>
> I can wear earrings if I want,
> and pierce my tongue & nose.
> I can read & watch just what I like,
> get tattoos from head to toe.
>
> And if you ever spank me,
> I'll charge you with a crime.
> I'll back up all my charges,
> with the marks on my behind.
>
> Don't you ever touch me,
> my body's only for my use,
> not for your hugs and kisses,
> that's just more child abuse.
>
> Don't preach about your morals,
> like your Mama did to you.
> That's nothing more than mind control,
> And it's illegal too!
>
> Mom, I have these children's rights,
> so you can't influence me,
> or I'll call Children's Services Division,
> better known as C.S.D."
>
> Of course my first instinct was
> to toss him out the door.
> But the chance to teach him a lesson
> made me think a little more.
>
> I mulled it over carefully,
> I couldn't let this go.
> A smile crept upon my face,
> he's messing with a pro.
>
> Next day I took him shopping
> at the local Goodwill Store.
> I told him, "Pick out all you want,
> there's shirts & pants galore.
>
> I've called and checked with C.S.D.
> who said they didn't care
> if I bought you K-Mart shoes
> instead of those Nike Airs.
>
> I've canceled that appointment
> to take your driver's test.
> The C.S.D. is unconcerned
> so I'll decide what's best."
>
> I said "No time to stop and eat,
> or pick up stuff to munch.
> And tomorrow you can start to learn
> to make your own sack lunch.
>
> Just save the raging appetite,
> and wait till dinner time.
> We're having liver and onions,
> a favorite dish of mine."
>
> He asked "Can I please rent a movie,
> to watch on my VCR?"
> "Sorry, but I sold your TV,
> for new tires on my car.
>
> I also rented out your room,
> you'll take the couch instead.
> The C.S.D. requires
> just a roof over your head.
>
> Your clothing won't be trendy now,
> I'll choose what we eat.
> That allowance that you used to get,
> will buy me something neat.
>
> I'm selling off your jet ski,
> dirt-bike & roller blades.
> Check out the 'Parents Bill of Rights',
> It's in effect today!
>
> Hey hot shot, are you crying,
> Why are you on your knees?
> Are you asking God to help you out,
> instead of C.S.D..?"
>
> Send to all people that have teenagers or have already raised
> teenagers, or have children who will soon be teenagers or those who
> will be parents someday OR ANYONE WHO'D JUST GET A LAUGH ...I love
> this One!!!
>

Elissa

I've read that poem before, it think it's horrible and disgusting. It makes me sad to remember that there are parents out there (most of them) who think like this.
I try to avoid them if I can.

Elissa, Unschooling Momma to Emily 15, and Max 9.
How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.
--Alexandre Dumas







Send to all people that have teenagers or have already raised
teenagers, or have children who will soon be teenagers or those who
will be parents someday OR ANYONE WHO'D JUST GET A LAUGH ...I love
this One!!!



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Vicki

Thank you Elissa. You warm my heart that I'm not alone in my opinion
of this poem. What a terrible way to veiw teenagers! It amazes me
at how many mom's think it's awesome.

Vicki

--- In [email protected], Elissa <MystikMomma@...>
wrote:
>
> I've read that poem before, it think it's horrible and disgusting.
It makes me sad to remember that there are parents out there (most of
them) who think like this.
> I try to avoid them if I can.
>
> Elissa, Unschooling Momma to Emily 15, and Max 9.
> How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so
stupid? It must be education that does it.
> --Alexandre Dumas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Send to all people that have teenagers or have already raised
> teenagers, or have children who will soon be teenagers or those who
> will be parents someday OR ANYONE WHO'D JUST GET A LAUGH ...I love
> this One!!!
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

carenkh

I think I'd just burn the poem, it's so far away from how we live.

Caren

Aidan Sutherland

uggh.....that was disgusting!





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Jodi Bezzola

~~How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.~~
 
As much as I really dislike the mom poem, I really dislike this quote!  Granted, education has lots to do with how many people grow up to think and operate as adults, but imo it's as disrespectful to men as the poem is to teenagers.  It's such a mainstream thing to bitch about our teenagers, or bitch about our men, or bitch about our women.  I really dislike it!
 
Jodi





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Elissa

The quote uses the word "men" in [place of adults, not specific to gender. When Dumas (a man) was alive, this was the phrase. i.e. mankind

Elissa, Unschooling Momma to Emily 15, and Max 9.
How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.
--Alexandre Dumas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jodi Bezzola" <jodibezzola@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 12:32:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Don't mess with mom poem






~~How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.~~

As much as I really dislike the mom poem, I really dislike this quote! Granted, education has lots to do with how many people grow up to think and operate as adults, but imo it's as disrespectful to men as the poem is to teenagers. It's such a mainstream thing to bitch about our teenagers, or bitch about our men, or bitch about our women. I really dislike it!

Jodi

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Robin Bentley

Ah, I think you have to consider the time in history when Dumas was
writing (mid-1800's). He was referring to men (generally being the
word for people of consequence i.e. not women) and comparing educated
adults to children. Slamming the educational establishment, more like.
As his writing is of a time, I don't think he's bitching about men,
specifically.

Today, we could read it to mean adults instead of "men." And the
sentiment might be apt. Perhaps badly put these days, though <g>.

Robin B.


On Feb 2, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Jodi Bezzola wrote:

> ~~How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so
> stupid? It must be education that does it.~~
>
> As much as I really dislike the mom poem, I really dislike this
> quote! Granted, education has lots to do with how many people grow
> up to think and operate as adults, but imo it's as disrespectful to
> men as the poem is to teenagers. It's such a mainstream thing to
> bitch about our teenagers, or bitch about our men, or bitch about
> our women. I really dislike it!
>
> Jodi
>

Betj

It has just been in the last 10 years that it changed from using masculine pronouns and man/men, etc. in writing. I was in college in the late 90's and used "her" in writing because for my purpose I envisioned a woman and my professor marked off for it. Now a friend in college had to study about not being gender biased when writing! She had to correct sentences that said "he" to say "he/she" or something like "a person".
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Bentley <robin.bentley@...>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:46:29
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Don't mess with mom poem


Ah, I think you have to consider the time in history when Dumas was
writing (mid-1800's). He was referring to men (generally being the
word for people of consequence i.e. not women) and comparing educated
adults to children. Slamming the educational establishment, more like.
As his writing is of a time, I don't think he's bitching about men,
specifically.

Today, we could read it to mean adults instead of "men." And the
sentiment might be apt. Perhaps badly put these days, though <g>.

Robin B.


On Feb 2, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Jodi Bezzola wrote:

> ~~How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so
> stupid? It must be education that does it.~~
>
> As much as I really dislike the mom poem, I really dislike this
> quote! Granted, education has lots to do with how many people grow
> up to think and operate as adults, but imo it's as disrespectful to
> men as the poem is to teenagers. It's such a mainstream thing to
> bitch about our teenagers, or bitch about our men, or bitch about
> our women. I really dislike it!
>
> Jodi
>




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Jodi Bezzola

Thanks for clarifying, I feel much better about the quote now :).
 
Jodi

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Elissa <MystikMomma@...> wrote:

From: Elissa <MystikMomma@...>
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Don't mess with mom poem
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 9:44 AM






The quote uses the word "men" in [place of adults, not specific to gender. When Dumas (a man) was alive, this was the phrase. i.e. mankind

Elissa, Unschooling Momma to Emily 15, and Max 9.
How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.
--Alexandre Dumas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jodi Bezzola" <jodibezzola@ yahoo.com>
To: unschoolingbasics@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 12:32:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Don't mess with mom poem

~~How is it that little children are so intelligent and men so stupid? It must be education that does it.~~

As much as I really dislike the mom poem, I really dislike this quote! Granted, education has lots to do with how many people grow up to think and operate as adults, but imo it's as disrespectful to men as the poem is to teenagers. It's such a mainstream thing to bitch about our teenagers, or bitch about our men, or bitch about our women. I really dislike it!

Jodi

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Logan Porter

This reminds me of the mom song on You Tube- that one annoys me too. Its all about the endless nagging most children have to endure and it makes me feel so sorry for some kids (and husbands!)

Logan



________________________________
From: Vicki <vickisue_gray@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, 2 February, 2009 5:38:55 AM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Don't mess with mom poem


I just received this poem in my email from my local homeschooling
group. The ladies there think this is SO right on about teenagers.
As I read it, I found I had a much different opinion and it made me
glad I raised MY teenagers differently. Now I'm thinking about re-
writing this with a more positive and unschooling frame of mind. I
gotta be responsible and finish my January paperwork before I
indulge, so if anyone would like to give it a shot, feel free to jump
in. I'd love to read a MUCH more positive spin.

Vicki

DON'T MESS WITH MOM

My son came home from school one day,
with a smirk upon his face.
He decided he was smart enough,
to put me in my place.

"Guess what I learned in Civics Two,
that's taught by Mr. Wright?
It's all about the laws today,
The 'Children's Bill of Rights.'

It says I need not clean my room,
don't have to cut my hair
No one can tell me what to think,
or speak, or what to wear.

I have freedom from religion,
and regardless what you say,
I don't have to bow my head d,
and I sure don't have to pray.

I can wear earrings if I want,
and pierce my tongue & nose.
I can read & watch just what I like,
get tattoos from head to toe.

And if you ever spank me,
I'll charge you with a crime.
I'll back up all my charges,
with the marks on my behind.

Don't you ever touch me,
my body's only for my use,
not for your hugs and kisses,
that's just more child abuse.

Don't preach about your morals,
like your Mama did to you.
That's nothing more than mind control,
And it's illegal too!

Mom, I have these children's rights,
so you can't influence me,
or I'll call Children's Services Division,
better known as C.S.D."

Of course my first instinct was
to toss him out the door.
But the chance to teach him a lesson
made me think a little more.

I mulled it over carefully,
I couldn't let this go.
A smile crept upon my face,
he's messing with a pro.

Next day I took him shopping
at the local Goodwill Store.
I told him, "Pick out all you want,
there's shirts & pants galore.

I've called and checked with C.S.D.
who said they didn't care
if I bought you K-Mart shoes
instead of those Nike Airs.

I've canceled that appointment
to take your driver's test.
The C.S.D. is unconcerned
so I'll decide what's best."

I said "No time to stop and eat,
or pick up stuff to munch.
And tomorrow you can start to learn
to make your own sack lunch.

Just save the raging appetite,
and wait till dinner time.
We're having liver and onions,
a favorite dish of mine."

He asked "Can I please rent a movie,
to watch on my VCR?"
"Sorry, but I sold your TV,
for new tires on my car.

I also rented out your room,
you'll take the couch instead.
The C.S.D. requires
just a roof over your head.

Your clothing won't be trendy now,
I'll choose what we eat.
That allowance that you used to get,
will buy me something neat.

I'm selling off your jet ski,
dirt-bike & roller blades.
Check out the 'Parents Bill of Rights',
It's in effect today!

Hey hot shot, are you crying,
Why are you on your knees?
Are you asking God to help you out,
instead of C.S.D..?"

Send to all people that have teenagers or have already raised
teenagers, or have children who will soon be teenagers or those who
will be parents someday OR ANYONE WHO'D JUST GET A LAUGH ...I love
this One!!!




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pattywithawhy1

--- In [email protected], "Vicki" <vickisue_gray@...>
wrote:
>
> I just received this poem in my email from my local homeschooling
> group. The ladies there think this is SO right on about teenagers.
> As I read it, I found I had a much different opinion and it made me
> glad I raised MY teenagers differently.


A friend of mine posted this Youtube video on Facebook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojWJ6-XmeQ

My kids (12 & 13) heard the screaming and came to see what they were
missing. At first we were all laughing but then my son said "wait --
Who sent you that? Doesn't she have a kid? That's pretty sad." Good
observation, I thought.

Then later I said something like, it's interesting that I'm sure most
people watching that commercial get a big laugh, and immediately side
with the guy against the kid, like I did. But if you think about it,
it's his fault to begin with (and not just because he didn't use a
condom.)

And my daughter said "Yeah, because the dad was rude. Because like
imagine if you and dad were in the store, and he put beef jerky in the
cart and you just tossed it back on the shelf like that. Twice."

Right. He'd be pissed. Or wonder what's my problem.

And they both thought it's sad that people don't see that. And I
realized I've come a long way, and I'm sure I used to do stuff like
that all the time, and maybe still do but not nearly as often or I
catch myself sooner. It made me feel good that it's more automatic
for them to think like that, and not just because they're kids,
because I know plenty of kids who would think that kid in the video
deserved to be smacked, and as I kid I probably would've thought that
too.

So it's nice to think that if they have kids they'll probably be
really good parents and won't have to work at it as hard as I have,
perhaps.

And it's thanks to many of you on this list and others that I've come
this far. So a big thanks to all of you who make that effort to
creatively and carefully explain and discuss these concepts again and
again -- you're definitely making a difference in people's lives.

-Patty


cindybablitz

> It has just been in the last 10 years that it changed from using
> masculine pronouns and man/men, etc. in writing. I was in college
> in the late 90's and used "her" in writing because for my purpose I
> envisioned a woman and my professor marked off for it. Now a friend
> in college had to study about not being gender biased when writing!
> She had to correct sentences that said "he" to say "he/she" or
> something like "a person".

Wow! I'm sorry you had that experience! Silly prof! I was in college
in the late 80s, (journalism) and my prof marked off for NOT using
gender neutral or gender varietal references! My entire professional
writing career I've used neutral or gender inclusive pronouns ... have
written for wide audiences and for a broad spectrum of clients, who've
all either accepted without comment or openly acknowledged the implied
equality. So my experience has been that masculine only pronouns have
been out of favour for well more than 20 years, at least!

cindy