Wildflower Car

I am so pissed right now. And I'm pissed that I'm so worked up.

We went to see family and the grilling began. How do you deal with it when
family bombard you with questions about how your educating them?

I remember this from when I was a kid, everyone thought my parents were
strung out hippies and that their kids were doomed. If we weren't so damn
happy and healthy, I'm sure child protective services would have been
called.

But now, yikes! Their kids are doing the same thing! Poor children of ours,
if I only had half a brain I'd see the error of our ways! What bullshit!

"When is she going to college?" "When is she going to work? Your not going
let her just keep unchooling are you??

YES, we confess, we are going to let her do whateve she wants!

How do you deal with this?

Peace,
Wildflower

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In a message dated 8/13/2007 5:41:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
unschoolfool@... writes:

"When is she going to college?" "When is she going to work? Your not going
let her just keep unchooling are you??

YES, we confess, we are going to let her do whateve she wants!

How do you deal with this?

Peace,
Wildflower


Oh, WF, I have no idea but I need to hear some replies too!

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Nicole Willoughby

"When is she going to college?" "When is she going to work? Your not going
let her just keep unchooling are you??

YES, we confess, we are going to let her do whateve she wants!

How do you deal with this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This sounds so familiar....in recent conversations with my mom.....well I know you disagree but I still think a curriculum would be helpful..like for days when you are really busy and to make sure the basics are covered.

This is all fine for elementary school but you dont have the background to teach them jr high and high school science and math.

ah well after this weekend shell either start to "get it" or shell be calling cps on her own daughter.

As far as how do I deal with it? Well this will be our first year officialy and fully unschooling so i just worry about today and let tomorrow happen tomorrow.

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I think you take a deep breath and ask what are they concerned with. When my mom has this conversation she is really concerned that I will push that he is working at gas station and not talk about college. My sister thinks that high school is needed so that they can do clubs or elective classes.

I usually ask people what do people think kids "have" to learn, they reply "stuff" I ask them to define it what is so important to learn in school that they can not learn at home if they want. Or I ask them what they learned in school that they need in everyday life.

people just do not get the concept of unschooling "homeschooling is strange enough but unschooling just blows them away.

sometimes you just nod and say I hear your concerns but we will wait and see how they turn out.

its too late to be more coherent but it's a start
JulieH
----- Original Message -----
From: Wildflower Car<mailto:unschoolfool@...>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:23 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Help/vent/how do you deal with this???


I am so pissed right now. And I'm pissed that I'm so worked up.

We went to see family and the grilling began. How do you deal with it when
family bombard you with questions about how your educating them?

I remember this from when I was a kid, everyone thought my parents were
strung out hippies and that their kids were doomed. If we weren't so damn
happy and healthy, I'm sure child protective services would have been
called.

But now, yikes! Their kids are doing the same thing! Poor children of ours,
if I only had half a brain I'd see the error of our ways! What bullshit!

"When is she going to college?" "When is she going to work? Your not going
let her just keep unchooling are you??

YES, we confess, we are going to let her do whateve she wants!

How do you deal with this?

Peace,
Wildflower

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Cameron Parham

*"When is she going to college?" "When is she going to work? Your not going
let her just keep unchooling are you??*
"We feel good about what we are doing." If you wish, add "We do not feel a need to explain ourselves."
Here you say no more unless you really WANT to. To say more implies that their questions deserve an answer. This is what I do, no matter how I am feeling at the time! Cametron

hbmccarty

I don't mention that we are unschooling to family members. I let them
assume that we are doing what ever they want to assume we are doing.
When I am asked about homeschooling I go on and on about the wonderful
and interesting things my kids are doing- I think they are all convinced
that my kids are genius's. They know we report to the state and that is
something that I can describe in detail. We also are involved with a
learning center and other activities so I can talk about that for quite
a while. As long as I have enough to say they tend to lose interest
after awhile and don't get too involved. It is kind of like a smoke
screen- I want to be left alone and want my kids not to be questioned
and judged so I create an appearance of something that is going on that
seems acceptable to my family- very similar to what I do with the state.
Kind of silly but it seems to work fine. I don't lie but emphasize what
we are doing and not what we aren't.

Heather


>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wildflower Car<mailto:unschoolfool@...
> <mailto:unschoolfool%40hotmail.com>>
> To: [email protected]
> <mailto:unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:23 PM
> Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Help/vent/how do you deal with this???
>
> I am so pissed right now. And I'm pissed that I'm so worked up.
>
> We went to see family and the grilling began. How do you deal with it
> when
> family bombard you with questions about how your educating them?
>
>

Lisa

Thanks Mom (or dad or grandma etc) I appreciate your interest in the
kid's education so much. Please pass the bean dip.

Lisa Blocker

Deb Lewis

***We went to see family and the grilling began. How do you deal with
it when
family bombard you with questions about how your educating them?***

The easiest way to avoid (what feels like) harassment about
unschooling is to not tell family about unschooling. <g>

Maybe it would help a little to remember they're concerned because
they care about your kids. That didn't help me much<g> but maybe it
helps some folks.
I tend to be straight forward and so would just say "stop." I told
my sil that she could talk to us about it (dh, Dylan and myself) at
our home at an appropriate time but during family functions wasn't
appropriate. She did not take me up on my offer<g> but she did use
discretion after that.

If it's more than you can stop in the moment with a word or two, and
it's more than you can stand, then maybe you can avoid those
situations where family members are likely to pester you. It won't
be forever.
Things got better here as Dylan got older. It *is* hard. What
you're doing for your kids is important, though. Let that give you
the courage to be firm and kind with those who are not as highly
evolved. <g>

Deb Lewis

Ren Allen

~~How do you deal with it when family bombard you with questions about
how your educating them?~~

"Things are going really fabulous right now, we'll keep doing this as
long as it's working for us"...leading them to believe we'd stop at
some point if it didn't "work".
OR
"This isn't up for discussion. If you want to debate this you'll have
to talk to me at a different time."

I don't tell anyone a lot about our unschooling though. I know which
family members are up for a discussion and which are close-minded. We
avoid certain topics and if questions start up we change the subject
quickly. I don't owe anyone an explanation of our lives and choices.

Live Free, Learn Free had a great article that was a letter, written
by an unschooling Mom to her family of origin. She outlined her
thoughts and basically told them that her choices weren't up for
discussion thank you. It was really good.

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Janet

It took my in-laws 20 years to stop criticizing us and harassing our
kids. Thank goodness we didn't live close. My f-i-l refused to even
acknowledge my existence for about 10 years. That was a little
awkward. But they have seen our kids become quite successful, despite
our homeschooling (they had no clue about the unschooling LOL,
homeschooling was awful enough!), extended breastfeeding, family bed,
etc. Some of our kids have attended college now and one has a great
job - they are smart, wonderful, personable people and my f-i-l will
now admit I exist .... weird.

Janet in MN
Tim 26 -unschooled till college - now in a great job making $50,000+ a year
Andy 23 - unschooled till college - now a mechanical engineering
student at a tough college
Paul 20, Becky 17, David 14 and Mary 10 - all still deciding what to do next

Wildflower Car

Too funny! And I love bean dip. :)


>From: "Lisa" <jlblock01@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Help/vent/how do you deal with this???
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:06:44 -0000
>
>Thanks Mom (or dad or grandma etc) I appreciate your interest in the
>kid's education so much. Please pass the bean dip.
>
>Lisa Blocker
>

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Wildflower Car

I know, I shouldn't even entertain the discussion, but sometimes it just
gets the best of me. My husband basicly laughs and says something sarcastic
or silly, and he was raised by teachers. I should know better than to expect
them to change.


>From: Cameron Parham <acsp2205@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] Help/vent/how do you deal with this???
>Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:18:40 -0700 (PDT)
>
>*"When is she going to college?" "When is she going to work? Your not going
>let her just keep unchooling are you??*
>
>
> "We feel good about what we are
>doing." If you wish, add "We do not feel a need to explain ourselves."
>Here you say no more unless you really WANT to. To say more implies that
>their questions deserve an answer. This is what I do, no matter how I am
>feeling at the time! Cametron

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Wildflower Car

I'll have to look up the article. I don't know why I don't just smile and
nod. It is just such a superior attitude they seem to have. I wish I had a
picture of them sitting on the toilet just to change the subject.


>From: "Ren Allen" <starsuncloud@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Help/vent/how do you deal with this???
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:18:02 -0000
>
>~~How do you deal with it when family bombard you with questions about
>how your educating them?~~
>
>"Things are going really fabulous right now, we'll keep doing this as
>long as it's working for us"...leading them to believe we'd stop at
>some point if it didn't "work".
>OR
>"This isn't up for discussion. If you want to debate this you'll have
>to talk to me at a different time."
>
>I don't tell anyone a lot about our unschooling though. I know which
>family members are up for a discussion and which are close-minded. We
>avoid certain topics and if questions start up we change the subject
>quickly. I don't owe anyone an explanation of our lives and choices.
>
>Live Free, Learn Free had a great article that was a letter, written
>by an unschooling Mom to her family of origin. She outlined her
>thoughts and basically told them that her choices weren't up for
>discussion thank you. It was really good.
>
>Ren
>learninginfreedom.com
>

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> I'll have to look up the article. I don't know why I don't just smile and
> nod. It is just such a superior attitude they seem to have. I wish I had a
> picture of them sitting on the toilet just to change the subject.


LOL! <snort> I can just see it... the big table of food laid out in
the pavillion, family members from near and far gathered around, nosy
relatives peppering you with intrusive questions about unschooling.
And there's you, standing calmly with a smile on your face right
beside the apple pie as Aunt Marge makes yet another misguided
comment. Ah, but what's that in your bag? You pull out a photo album
of them all sitting on toilets and ask, ever so casually, "Strangely
enough, I found these pictures the other day. I have a few comments
about yours I'd like to share with everyone - I'm sure you don't mind,
right?"

My daughter wants to know what I'm dying laughing about over here! ;)

~ Susan

Cameron Parham

*"Things are going really fabulous right now, we'll keep doing this as
long as it's working for us"...leading them to believe we'd stop at
some point if it didn't work.*

This is exactly what I say and I have used it all our years of homeschooling, since 'way before we started unschooling. I even use it on the homeschoolers I dodn't want to talk in depth with. I have found that people think that I need advice when I explain what we are doing. Cameron

hbmccarty

I found a shift I had to make was to not see my family as people I could
trust with my frustrations or difficulties at all, ever. Anything that
isn't going right can somehow come back to the fact that the kids are at
home and I am not doing enough for myself, not able to earn enough
money, etc., and the solution is of course for them to go to school or
be away from me more. Even my husband will sometimes come to this
conclusion. I have to be very careful who I share frustrations with.
People always offer advice and that is not what I am looking for, most
of the time.

My family is always asking what I am doing for myself- nice that they
are concerned I suppose but it puts unwanted pressure on me to think I
should be doing more for myself. Usually less to do in general would be
helpful.

Heather

Cameron Parham wrote:
>
> *"Things are going really fabulous right now, we'll keep doing this as
> long as it's working for us"...leading them to believe we'd stop at
> some point if it didn't work.*
>
> This is exactly what I say and I have used it all our years of
> homeschooling, since 'way before we started unschooling. I even use it
> on the homeschoolers I dodn't want to talk in depth with. I have found
> that people think that I need advice when I explain what we are doing.
> Cameron
>
>

castlecarver

--- In [email protected], "Wildflower Car"
<unschoolfool@...> wrote:
>
> I am so pissed right now. And I'm pissed that I'm so worked up.
>
> We went to see family and the grilling began. How do you deal with
it when
> family bombard you with questions about how your educating them?
>
> I remember this from when I was a kid, everyone thought my parents were
> strung out hippies and that their kids were doomed. If we weren't so
damn
> happy and healthy, I'm sure child protective services would have been
> called.
>
> But now, yikes! Their kids are doing the same thing! Poor children
of ours,
> if I only had half a brain I'd see the error of our ways! What bullshit!
>
> "When is she going to college?" "When is she going to work? Your not
going
> let her just keep unchooling are you??
>
> YES, we confess, we are going to let her do whatever she wants!
>
> How do you deal with this?
>
> Peace,
> Wildflower
>
>


At one point one of my relatives TESTED my dyslexic son by making him
read aloud to her when he went to visit. Nevermind that he has an
incredible talent for math and science. Or that he LOVES history and
can tell you anything about nearly anyone who was important from the
beginning...
Then came the veiled threat "I don't want you to go to jail for not
teaching your child..."

You cannot imagine my frustration (and his) when I heard this. I just
cut her off for a few months until she promised never to do that
again. This hurt everyone involved but I had to stick to my guns. My
son was both frightened and humiliated by the experience. Now, five
years later, ALL of the children in my extended family are
homeschooled/unschooled. So I guess it was all for the good.
BTW he can read at grade level or above now.... Practice, Practice,
Practice...

decjec

--- In [email protected], "Ren Allen"
<starsuncloud@...> wrote:
>
> .
>
> Live Free, Learn Free had a great article that was a letter, written
> by an unschooling Mom to her family of origin. She outlined her
> thoughts and basically told them that her choices weren't up for
> discussion thank you. It was really good.
>
> Ren
> learninginfreedom.com
>

Hi,
Do you know what issue that was written in? I would love to read it.
Danette

Karen Buxcel

Heather,
I, too, (along with many others here, I'm guessing!) have to be very careful
about what I share and with who (whom? ugh, never did know when to use
those!)

Anyway, I decided that I needed a healthy way to vent, share my concerns,
frustrations, worries, along with my hopes, dreams, successes, etc. So, I
started a blog that's only visible to people I invite personally. And, of
course, I filled that stack of invites with people I *knew* would be there
whole-heartedly to support me and back me up during those times of worry or
panic or enlightenment or beauty. I also wanted those people to be able to
call me on something if needed, to encourage further growth in myself.

So, now I have two blogs, one for "oh, look at what a great life we have"
(cuz, we really do!) that is for everyone's eyes, my family, his family,
etc. So they can see that we are in fact DOING stuff (living, that is).
And the other one is just my private little place to go when I need to get
it all out there.

Maybe something like that would be helpful to you? Just a thought!

Peace,
Karen



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wisdomalways5

--- In [email protected], hbmccarty <hbmccarty@...>
wrote:
>
>
> My family is always asking what I am doing for myself- nice that they
> are concerned I suppose but it puts unwanted pressure on me to think
I
> should be doing more for myself. Usually less to do in general would
be
> helpful.
>
> Heather
>



I get this a lot- my mom is trying to get me to "get outof the house"
for a while which I do not need but now since we are so connected the
kids are "using" me and I do not have ME ME ME ME time. Duh- I know how
to take care of what I need it is all part of the package.

hbmccarty

For some reason doing more things that are about me doesn't seem to
satisfy, only increases the desire for more, and the frustration with
lack of time for them. Not that I want to deny myself anything but
keeping it simple and unscheduled is best for me- I have never found
that planning classes or outings just for me really helps me relax or be
more connected. I try to minimize time away from home as my kids have
more than enough ideas of things that involve getting in the car.
Sleeping and resting enough and eating well and having a good book are
pretty wonderful- and knowing that my kids are happy and healthy and
that we have enough. Sometimes I am glad that we struggle a bit with the
basics at times as I see people around me who have the basics very well
covered and seem to invent other problems for themselves- moms who are
doing this and that and the other thing for themselves but still seem
unsatisfied.

I do find that reading unschooling lists is really a great thing for
rejuvenating myself- I always read something that is just perfect for
where I am right now. I have come to feel okay about time spent on
reading email though sometimes others(my husband) see it as a waste of
my time. Wish I had more of that in my "real" life from people I see
face to face- mostly just a lot of worry about what to put on the IHIP
(Individalized Home Instruction Plan for those you do not report in NY).
My goodness- what a way to live - to actually plan your days around
something someone in the government thought up.

For some reason the idea of a blog makes me nervous but I do write in a
journal on and off and have found that very helpful.

Heather


wisdomalways5 wrote:
>
>
>
> I get this a lot- my mom is trying to get me to "get outof the house"
> for a while which I do not need but now since we are so connected the
> kids are "using" me and I do not have ME ME ME ME time. Duh- I know how
> to take care of what I need it is all part of the package.
>
>

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My goodness- what a way to live - to actually plan your days around
something someone in the government thought up.

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>
> I have a bumper sticker that I haven't found room to put on the van yet
>
> <giggles from those of you in the peanut gallery that have seen my
> minivan>
>
>
> "Not living your life to suit other people...priceless!"
>
> <bwg>
>


OOOOH I WANT ONE!!!