Leslie Kowalski

Hi all,

I joined the list pretty recently, and sent out an introduction email
about a week ago. I have a question about my 4 year old daughter,
Paige (actually, I have a lot of questions, but I'll limit it to this
one to start!).

Paige has recently developed many habits, possibly tics (like her
older sister, Tess (7 years old) who has TS). One of them is
constant picking of boo-boos. She has many of them on her body
(mostly on her legs, her tushie and one behind her ear) at this
point. All of which started from a tiny dot of a boo-boo, many of
them are now up to 1 cm in width. Sometimes I can see blood dripping
from them. Sometimes I find blood stains on her pant legs or on the
back of her underwear.

A few months ago, she started licking her lips excessively, and
developed a huge ring around her mouth. I knew (from past experience
with Tess), that there was not much I could do about it, and at first
I offered her unpetroleum jelly or lip balm. She started to become
sensitive to it, so I backed off, told her she knew her body and
could decide if she needed to put something on her sores. I can say
that the sores around her mouth have alternated between getting
better or getting no worse than before, so I think it was a good
strategy. So, I tried the same approach with the boo-boos, but it's
not working. Lately, it's really making me crazy to see them
bleeding and getting bigger so I've been reminding her to stop
picking, and she gets really mad at me.

I do have a personal history with this particular topic in that I was
a pretty neglected child, and one of the ways in which I remember
this most clearly was that I had tiny sores that grew into gigantic
boo-boos on my tush. I was not as young as Paige, I was probably 7
or so. I picked them until they bled, and I remember thinking they
would go away each time I picked them off. They got bigger and
bigger until my whole backside was a huge scab. Finally I "allowed"
it to be discovered by my grandmother, at a sleepover at her home. I
remember an ER trip after that, I also remember my father often
saying to me (even into adulthood) that I "hid my illnesses from
them" (which I did - not just in this case, but in other ways too),
and I took the "shame" of this into my adulthood, until I one day
realized that I WAS A KID and no one was looking after me!

Even though, I know that I am looking after my kids, I'm sure part of
my reaction could be about being really, really sure that I am not
neglecting them the way that I was. But, I do think that even
without my personal history with this particular issue, I still feel
like this is something I want to try to help her to stop doing - I
worry that she will have scars, or they could become infected.
Sometimes I try to stop her from doing it, which makes her really mad
(and we have some other stresses in our relationship, which I'm sure
I'll post in the future, so fighting over boo-boos is not really
helping us! In short, I've been stressed out lately, and have not
been the parent I would like to be).

Anyway, sometimes I think I should just totally let it go, and she
will work it out. Today, she tried to hide the fact that she had
picked a boo-boo from me (she told me that she didn't know where the
blood on her finger came from, with totally wide open "trust me"
eyes). I told her that it didn't matter to me if she did, I just
wanted to see the one that was picked, to see if was okay. She
really insisted that she hadn't picked at all. Yikes! I know she is
feeling pretty bad about this to say that to me.

Last night we were watching a TS video with Tess and one of the
children mentioned a tic where he was scratching the same spot over
and over, until it bled. I asked Paige tonight if she feels like she
has to pick them. She said that "her body tells her too" (similar
answer to what Tess would say about her tics). I've recently thought
that Paige might also have tics, but it never occurred to me until
today that the boo-boo picking could be one of them.

Anyway, I would love to hear what people on this list think about
this. It probably seems like a small problem, but I wonder if it's a
good example of the type of power-struggle I can get into with my
children.

Leslie (in NJ)

Georgette Teekel

Its her age!Leave her alone and let her know it doesn't bother you and m/b with prayer she'll stop.

Leslie Kowalski <lrkowalski@...> wrote: Hi all,

I joined the list pretty recently, and sent out an introduction email
about a week ago. I have a question about my 4 year old daughter,
Paige (actually, I have a lot of questions, but I'll limit it to this
one to start!).

Paige has recently developed many habits, possibly tics (like her
older sister, Tess (7 years old) who has TS). One of them is
constant picking of boo-boos. She has many of them on her body
(mostly on her legs, her tushie and one behind her ear) at this
point. All of which started from a tiny dot of a boo-boo, many of
them are now up to 1 cm in width. Sometimes I can see blood dripping
from them. Sometimes I find blood stains on her pant legs or on the
back of her underwear.

A few months ago, she started licking her lips excessively, and
developed a huge ring around her mouth. I knew (from past experience
with Tess), that there was not much I could do about it, and at first
I offered her unpetroleum jelly or lip balm. She started to become
sensitive to it, so I backed off, told her she knew her body and
could decide if she needed to put something on her sores. I can say
that the sores around her mouth have alternated between getting
better or getting no worse than before, so I think it was a good
strategy. So, I tried the same approach with the boo-boos, but it's
not working. Lately, it's really making me crazy to see them
bleeding and getting bigger so I've been reminding her to stop
picking, and she gets really mad at me.

I do have a personal history with this particular topic in that I was
a pretty neglected child, and one of the ways in which I remember
this most clearly was that I had tiny sores that grew into gigantic
boo-boos on my tush. I was not as young as Paige, I was probably 7
or so. I picked them until they bled, and I remember thinking they
would go away each time I picked them off. They got bigger and
bigger until my whole backside was a huge scab. Finally I "allowed"
it to be discovered by my grandmother, at a sleepover at her home. I
remember an ER trip after that, I also remember my father often
saying to me (even into adulthood) that I "hid my illnesses from
them" (which I did - not just in this case, but in other ways too),
and I took the "shame" of this into my adulthood, until I one day
realized that I WAS A KID and no one was looking after me!

Even though, I know that I am looking after my kids, I'm sure part of
my reaction could be about being really, really sure that I am not
neglecting them the way that I was. But, I do think that even
without my personal history with this particular issue, I still feel
like this is something I want to try to help her to stop doing - I
worry that she will have scars, or they could become infected.
Sometimes I try to stop her from doing it, which makes her really mad
(and we have some other stresses in our relationship, which I'm sure
I'll post in the future, so fighting over boo-boos is not really
helping us! In short, I've been stressed out lately, and have not
been the parent I would like to be).

Anyway, sometimes I think I should just totally let it go, and she
will work it out. Today, she tried to hide the fact that she had
picked a boo-boo from me (she told me that she didn't know where the
blood on her finger came from, with totally wide open "trust me"
eyes). I told her that it didn't matter to me if she did, I just
wanted to see the one that was picked, to see if was okay. She
really insisted that she hadn't picked at all. Yikes! I know she is
feeling pretty bad about this to say that to me.

Last night we were watching a TS video with Tess and one of the
children mentioned a tic where he was scratching the same spot over
and over, until it bled. I asked Paige tonight if she feels like she
has to pick them. She said that "her body tells her too" (similar
answer to what Tess would say about her tics). I've recently thought
that Paige might also have tics, but it never occurred to me until
today that the boo-boo picking could be one of them.

Anyway, I would love to hear what people on this list think about
this. It probably seems like a small problem, but I wonder if it's a
good example of the type of power-struggle I can get into with my
children.

Leslie (in NJ)





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Brian & Alexandra Polikowsky

Reading your post I came to realize tht I did some of the things your dds do like picking on my behind, my upper arms and chewing the inside of my lips ( and I did it a lot!) . I think I did it because I was anxious. My anxiety was because of my parents relationship. It was good but there were issues and it made us insecure. Kids can feel and know everything. Once you start picking and you make a sore it is hard to stop. I still did it thru adulthood but I learned to stop and control it now( at 41) . Thank god I did not have a label or felt guilty about it. No pressure form my parensts helped.
Is there a reason (other than the possibility they have TS) that your dds have any kind of anxiety source in their lives??? Remeber that kids can hear everything we think they don't
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Leslie Kowalski
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] picking boo-boos


Hi all,

I joined the list pretty recently, and sent out an introduction email
about a week ago. I have a question about my 4 year old daughter,
Paige (actually, I have a lot of questions, but I'll limit it to this
one to start!).

Paige has recently developed many habits, possibly tics (like her
older sister, Tess (7 years old) who has TS). One of them is
constant picking of boo-boos. She has many of them on her body
(mostly on her legs, her tushie and one behind her ear) at this
point. All of which started from a tiny dot of a boo-boo, many of
them are now up to 1 cm in width. Sometimes I can see blood dripping
from them. Sometimes I find blood stains on her pant legs or on the
back of her underwear.

A few months ago, she started licking her lips excessively, and
developed a huge ring around her mouth. I knew (from past experience
with Tess), that there was not much I could do about it, and at first
I offered her unpetroleum jelly or lip balm. She started to become
sensitive to it, so I backed off, told her she knew her body and
could decide if she needed to put something on her sores. I can say
that the sores around her mouth have alternated between getting
better or getting no worse than before, so I think it was a good
strategy. So, I tried the same approach with the boo-boos, but it's
not working. Lately, it's really making me crazy to see them
bleeding and getting bigger so I've been reminding her to stop
picking, and she gets really mad at me.

I do have a personal history with this particular topic in that I was
a pretty neglected child, and one of the ways in which I remember
this most clearly was that I had tiny sores that grew into gigantic
boo-boos on my tush. I was not as young as Paige, I was probably 7
or so. I picked them until they bled, and I remember thinking they
would go away each time I picked them off. They got bigger and
bigger until my whole backside was a huge scab. Finally I "allowed"
it to be discovered by my grandmother, at a sleepover at her home. I
remember an ER trip after that, I also remember my father often
saying to me (even into adulthood) that I "hid my illnesses from
them" (which I did - not just in this case, but in other ways too),
and I took the "shame" of this into my adulthood, until I one day
realized that I WAS A KID and no one was looking after me!

Even though, I know that I am looking after my kids, I'm sure part of
my reaction could be about being really, really sure that I am not
neglecting them the way that I was. But, I do think that even
without my personal history with this particular issue, I still feel
like this is something I want to try to help her to stop doing - I
worry that she will have scars, or they could become infected.
Sometimes I try to stop her from doing it, which makes her really mad
(and we have some other stresses in our relationship, which I'm sure
I'll post in the future, so fighting over boo-boos is not really
helping us! In short, I've been stressed out lately, and have not
been the parent I would like to be).

Anyway, sometimes I think I should just totally let it go, and she
will work it out. Today, she tried to hide the fact that she had
picked a boo-boo from me (she told me that she didn't know where the
blood on her finger came from, with totally wide open "trust me"
eyes). I told her that it didn't matter to me if she did, I just
wanted to see the one that was picked, to see if was okay. She
really insisted that she hadn't picked at all. Yikes! I know she is
feeling pretty bad about this to say that to me.

Last night we were watching a TS video with Tess and one of the
children mentioned a tic where he was scratching the same spot over
and over, until it bled. I asked Paige tonight if she feels like she
has to pick them. She said that "her body tells her too" (similar
answer to what Tess would say about her tics). I've recently thought
that Paige might also have tics, but it never occurred to me until
today that the boo-boo picking could be one of them.

Anyway, I would love to hear what people on this list think about
this. It probably seems like a small problem, but I wonder if it's a
good example of the type of power-struggle I can get into with my
children.

Leslie (in NJ)




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[email protected]

Leave her alone and let her know it doesn't bother you and m/b with prayer she'll stop
***********Please remember that not everyone on this list is christian or even monotheistic.
Elissa Jill
OTN:
Stitch of the Day Swatch
silk/wool blend tie front mini sweater
http://mystikmusings.blogspot.com/

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mugglebornmom

I have a 14 year old and a 7 year old, both adhd/aspergers and with
that comes tics and ocd. My 7 yo picks/scratches his ear until it
bleeds, if he's not doing that, his "anxiety" will manifest itself in
some other way like verbal tics, or thinking bugs will fly up his nose.
My oldest wasn't that bad, although we had him on ritalin from age 7
until age 12. I took him off of all meds and he does just fine without,
of course we homeschool now so it's not an issue. Ritalin brought out
tics in him, whereas my youngest has them anyway. Meds can help with
tics, but I choose to let mother nature take her course. Maybe kids
like this have something to teach us about life and if we mask it with
drugs, we'll never learn anything. Anyway, way off topic, I'll get off
my soap box now.

I have learned that with my 7 yo, that if I curb one ocd behavior, it
will turn into another. Which one is worse? Hearing him
say "tsssskkkkk, tsssskkk, tsssssk" or watching him pick his ears until
they bleed. I choose the verbal one and I don't draw attention to it
and so he doesn't do it that much.


--- In [email protected], "MystikMomma@..."
<MystikMomma@...> wrote:
>
> Leave her alone and let her know it doesn't bother you and m/b with
prayer she'll stop
> ***********Please remember that not everyone on this list is
christian or even monotheistic.
> Elissa Jill
> OTN:
> Stitch of the Day Swatch
> silk/wool blend tie front mini sweater
> http://mystikmusings.blogspot.com/
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

riasplace3

> Leslie Kowalski <lrkowalski@...> wrote:
One of them is
> constant picking of boo-boos. She has many of them on her body
> (mostly on her legs, her tushie and one behind her ear) at this
> point.

Would she maybe take a warm bath with Epsom Salts or baking soda or
both? My kids love one when they have sores, and it seems to help them
heal up better.
Sometimes scabs do itch when they're healing. Perhaps that's why she's
picking?
HTH,
Ria

staci senatore

--- In [email protected], Leslie Kowalski
<lrkowalski@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I joined the list pretty recently, and sent out an introduction
email
> about a week ago. I have a question about my 4 year old daughter,
> Paige (actually, I have a lot of questions, but I'll limit it to
this
> one to start!).
>
> Paige has recently developed many habits, possibly tics (like her
> older sister, Tess (7 years old) who has TS). One of them is
> constant picking of boo-boos. She has many of them on her body
> (mostly on her legs, her tushie and one behind her ear) at this
> point. All of which started from a tiny dot of a boo-boo, many of
> them are now up to 1 cm in width. Sometimes I can see blood
dripping
> from them. Sometimes I find blood stains on her pant legs or on
the
> back of her underwear.
>
> A few months ago, she started licking her lips excessively, and
> developed a huge ring around her mouth. I knew (from past
experience
> with Tess), that there was not much I could do about it, and at
first
> I offered her unpetroleum jelly or lip balm. She started to
become
> sensitive to it, so I backed off, told her she knew her body and
> could decide if she needed to put something on her sores. I can
say
> that the sores around her mouth have alternated between getting
> better or getting no worse than before, so I think it was a good
> strategy. So, I tried the same approach with the boo-boos, but
it's
> not working. Lately, it's really making me crazy to see them
> bleeding and getting bigger so I've been reminding her to stop
> picking, and she gets really mad at me.
>
> I do have a personal history with this particular topic in that I
was
> a pretty neglected child, and one of the ways in which I remember
> this most clearly was that I had tiny sores that grew into
gigantic
> boo-boos on my tush. I was not as young as Paige, I was probably
7
> or so. I picked them until they bled, and I remember thinking
they
> would go away each time I picked them off. They got bigger and
> bigger until my whole backside was a huge scab. Finally
I "allowed"
> it to be discovered by my grandmother, at a sleepover at her home.
I
> remember an ER trip after that, I also remember my father often
> saying to me (even into adulthood) that I "hid my illnesses from
> them" (which I did - not just in this case, but in other ways
too),
> and I took the "shame" of this into my adulthood, until I one day
> realized that I WAS A KID and no one was looking after me!
>
> Even though, I know that I am looking after my kids, I'm sure part
of
> my reaction could be about being really, really sure that I am not
> neglecting them the way that I was. But, I do think that even
> without my personal history with this particular issue, I still
feel
> like this is something I want to try to help her to stop doing - I
> worry that she will have scars, or they could become infected.
> Sometimes I try to stop her from doing it, which makes her really
mad
> (and we have some other stresses in our relationship, which I'm
sure
> I'll post in the future, so fighting over boo-boos is not really
> helping us! In short, I've been stressed out lately, and have not
> been the parent I would like to be).
>
> Anyway, sometimes I think I should just totally let it go, and she
> will work it out. Today, she tried to hide the fact that she had
> picked a boo-boo from me (she told me that she didn't know where
the
> blood on her finger came from, with totally wide open "trust me"
> eyes). I told her that it didn't matter to me if she did, I just
> wanted to see the one that was picked, to see if was okay. She
> really insisted that she hadn't picked at all. Yikes! I know she
is
> feeling pretty bad about this to say that to me.
>
> Last night we were watching a TS video with Tess and one of the
> children mentioned a tic where he was scratching the same spot
over
> and over, until it bled. I asked Paige tonight if she feels like
she
> has to pick them. She said that "her body tells her too" (similar
> answer to what Tess would say about her tics). I've recently
thought
> that Paige might also have tics, but it never occurred to me until
> today that the boo-boo picking could be one of them.
>
> Anyway, I would love to hear what people on this list think about
> this. It probably seems like a small problem, but I wonder if it's
a
> good example of the type of power-struggle I can get into with my
> children.
>
> Leslie (in NJ)
>
Hi Leslie, My daughter has picked her boo-boos in the past also. I
found that if I let her pick out her favorite bandaids, like barbie
or sponge bob, and but some neosporin on it, that keeps her from
picking on it. I let her use as many bandaids as she likes and it
does keep them from getting infected and scarring. Just an idea. She
is seven also. Staci (in NY)