unschooling world of warcraft guild
anisadancer1218
My family is starting the New Year by planning a World of Warcraft
Guild for unschoolers. We will inaugurate this around the 16th when the
WOW expansion pack is to be released. We are planning it to be a horde
guild. While my husband, 13yo son and I have had Alliance characters
that were in the 40's, we have never played horde and the expansion
offers a new horde race, blood elves, that everyone is hot for.
We are looking for suggestions for a name for the guild. Also, we would
like to know that there are others who are interested in joining. Adli
will be working on the website. Has anyone any experienc with this or
with other aspects of guild creation?
Andrea
Guild for unschoolers. We will inaugurate this around the 16th when the
WOW expansion pack is to be released. We are planning it to be a horde
guild. While my husband, 13yo son and I have had Alliance characters
that were in the 40's, we have never played horde and the expansion
offers a new horde race, blood elves, that everyone is hot for.
We are looking for suggestions for a name for the guild. Also, we would
like to know that there are others who are interested in joining. Adli
will be working on the website. Has anyone any experienc with this or
with other aspects of guild creation?
Andrea
jlh44music
"anisadancer1218" <pinkydog@...> wrote:
WOW expansion pack is to be released. We are planning it to be a horde
guild. While my husband, 13yo son and I have had Alliance characters
that were in the 40's, we have never played horde and the expansion
offers a new horde race, blood elves, that everyone is hot for.
Adli will be working on the website. Has anyone any experienc with
this or with other aspects of guild creation?>
Danielle (14) is the WOW expert here, I'll ask her what she thinks.
She plays in a guild of people she's connected with and uses a headset
to talk to them (much easier to plan and play as opposed to having to
type and read thoughts/instructions etc). She just moved 2 high level
characters to a new guild so she wouldn't have to start from scratch
(it costs).
She loves the horde and can't wait to get a blood elf!
Jann
> My family is starting the New Year by planning a World of WarcraftGuild for unschoolers. We will inaugurate this around the 16th when the
WOW expansion pack is to be released. We are planning it to be a horde
guild. While my husband, 13yo son and I have had Alliance characters
that were in the 40's, we have never played horde and the expansion
offers a new horde race, blood elves, that everyone is hot for.
> We are looking for suggestions for a name for the guild. Also, wewould like to know that there are others who are interested in joining.
Adli will be working on the website. Has anyone any experienc with
this or with other aspects of guild creation?>
Danielle (14) is the WOW expert here, I'll ask her what she thinks.
She plays in a guild of people she's connected with and uses a headset
to talk to them (much easier to plan and play as opposed to having to
type and read thoughts/instructions etc). She just moved 2 high level
characters to a new guild so she wouldn't have to start from scratch
(it costs).
She loves the horde and can't wait to get a blood elf!
Jann
plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], "anisadancer1218"
<pinkydog@...> wrote:
schbang - but Ray's biggest interest is being able to connect with
others, and a chance to connect with unschoolers sounds really
exciting. What would we need to do to join? Should we email you off-
list or will you post the website when its ready?
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
<pinkydog@...> wrote:
>>Also, we wouldI *just* ordered WoW for my stepson, so we're brand new to the whole
> like to know that there are others who are interested in joining.
schbang - but Ray's biggest interest is being able to connect with
others, and a chance to connect with unschoolers sounds really
exciting. What would we need to do to join? Should we email you off-
list or will you post the website when its ready?
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
[email protected]
I am an avid WOW player. I have been playing for a very long time and am
super addicted. The expansion actually doesn't come out till Jan 30th, i have
had it on preorder since 2 months ago. To make a quild it cost 100g. Yes
100g so unless you or someone you know is a level 60 or you plan on buying the
100g through blizzard you wont be able to make a guild. You also have to
find the person that you talk to, to make the guild which in IF is in the
basement of a house in the great forge area. I have yet to find the guild master
in SW. Alliance is also getting a new race called the Draenei which will have
a Alliance Shamen while the new Blood Elves will be getting a Dark Palatin.
I would love to join but unfortuanlty i am die hard loyal to the Alliance
but i wish you luck in forming your new guild.
In a message dated 1/1/2007 1:26:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
pinkydog@... writes:
My family is starting the New Year by planning a World of Warcraft
Guild for unschoolers. We will inaugurate this around the 16th when the
WOW expansion pack is to be released. We are planning it to be a horde
guild. While my husband, 13yo son and I have had Alliance characters
that were in the 40's, we have never played horde and the expansion
offers a new horde race, blood elves, that everyone is hot for.
We are looking for suggestions for a name for the guild. Also, we would
like to know that there are others who are interested in joining. Adli
will be working on the website. Has anyone any experienc with this or
with other aspects of guild creation?
Andrea
~Alyssa in IL
_http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
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super addicted. The expansion actually doesn't come out till Jan 30th, i have
had it on preorder since 2 months ago. To make a quild it cost 100g. Yes
100g so unless you or someone you know is a level 60 or you plan on buying the
100g through blizzard you wont be able to make a guild. You also have to
find the person that you talk to, to make the guild which in IF is in the
basement of a house in the great forge area. I have yet to find the guild master
in SW. Alliance is also getting a new race called the Draenei which will have
a Alliance Shamen while the new Blood Elves will be getting a Dark Palatin.
I would love to join but unfortuanlty i am die hard loyal to the Alliance
but i wish you luck in forming your new guild.
In a message dated 1/1/2007 1:26:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
pinkydog@... writes:
My family is starting the New Year by planning a World of Warcraft
Guild for unschoolers. We will inaugurate this around the 16th when the
WOW expansion pack is to be released. We are planning it to be a horde
guild. While my husband, 13yo son and I have had Alliance characters
that were in the 40's, we have never played horde and the expansion
offers a new horde race, blood elves, that everyone is hot for.
We are looking for suggestions for a name for the guild. Also, we would
like to know that there are others who are interested in joining. Adli
will be working on the website. Has anyone any experienc with this or
with other aspects of guild creation?
Andrea
~Alyssa in IL
_http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
nectarine369
--- In [email protected], "anisadancer1218"
<pinkydog@...> wrote:
used this stuff before. I'll just add a couple things I wanted to say.
My Orc Hunter's name is Nectarine
The server name is The Venture Co
It only costs 10 silver to make a guild ;). Tabards are 10 gold to
design and 1 gold to buy.
Please don't hesitate to ask me for help or advice with any aspect of
the game. I've been playing since it was released and am currently
involved in the Burning Crusade Closed Beta. I'm always looking for a
new way to show off my knowledge of the game :)
<pinkydog@...> wrote:
>I accidentally sent off an email instead of posting here, I've never
> My family is starting the New Year by planning a World of Warcraft
> Guild for unschoolers. We will inaugurate this around the 16th when the
> WOW expansion pack is to be released. We are planning it to be a horde
> guild. While my husband, 13yo son and I have had Alliance characters
> that were in the 40's, we have never played horde and the expansion
> offers a new horde race, blood elves, that everyone is hot for.
>
> We are looking for suggestions for a name for the guild. Also, we would
> like to know that there are others who are interested in joining. Adli
> will be working on the website. Has anyone any experienc with this or
> with other aspects of guild creation?
> Andrea
>
used this stuff before. I'll just add a couple things I wanted to say.
My Orc Hunter's name is Nectarine
The server name is The Venture Co
It only costs 10 silver to make a guild ;). Tabards are 10 gold to
design and 1 gold to buy.
Please don't hesitate to ask me for help or advice with any aspect of
the game. I've been playing since it was released and am currently
involved in the Burning Crusade Closed Beta. I'm always looking for a
new way to show off my knowledge of the game :)
[email protected]
Correction i meant the 19th lol i have Vista on the brain which releases the
30th.
In a message dated 1/1/2007 6:38:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
SquishyMommyof2@... writes:
I am an avid WOW player. I have been playing for a very long time and am
super addicted. The expansion actually doesn't come out till Jan 30th, i
have
had it on preorder since 2 months ago. To make a quild it cost 100g. Yes
100g so unless you or someone you know is a level 60 or you plan on buying
the
100g through blizzard you wont be able to make a guild. You also have to
find the person that you talk to, to make the guild which in IF is in the
basement of a house in the great forge area. I have yet to find the guild
master
in SW. Alliance is also getting a new race called the Draenei which will
have
a Alliance Shamen while the new Blood Elves will be getting a Dark Palatin.
I would love to join but unfortuanlty i am die hard loyal to the Alliance
but i wish you luck in forming your new guild.
~Alyssa in IL
_http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
30th.
In a message dated 1/1/2007 6:38:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
SquishyMommyof2@... writes:
I am an avid WOW player. I have been playing for a very long time and am
super addicted. The expansion actually doesn't come out till Jan 30th, i
have
had it on preorder since 2 months ago. To make a quild it cost 100g. Yes
100g so unless you or someone you know is a level 60 or you plan on buying
the
100g through blizzard you wont be able to make a guild. You also have to
find the person that you talk to, to make the guild which in IF is in the
basement of a house in the great forge area. I have yet to find the guild
master
in SW. Alliance is also getting a new race called the Draenei which will
have
a Alliance Shamen while the new Blood Elves will be getting a Dark Palatin.
I would love to join but unfortuanlty i am die hard loyal to the Alliance
but i wish you luck in forming your new guild.
~Alyssa in IL
_http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ren Allen
~~Yes
100g so unless you or someone you know is a level 60 or you plan on
buying the
100g through blizzard you wont be able to make a guild.~~
Trevor has been level 60 for a long time now, he might be able to
help. He's also a big Horde player, can't stand Alliance for the most
part...my other kids play both.
I wrote you offlist about it, feel free to email me and maybe Trevor
can help get it going.:)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
100g so unless you or someone you know is a level 60 or you plan on
buying the
100g through blizzard you wont be able to make a guild.~~
Trevor has been level 60 for a long time now, he might be able to
help. He's also a big Horde player, can't stand Alliance for the most
part...my other kids play both.
I wrote you offlist about it, feel free to email me and maybe Trevor
can help get it going.:)
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Ren Allen
~~
~~Yes
100g so unless you or someone you know is a level 60 or you plan on
buying the
100g through blizzard you wont be able to make a guild.~~~~
I've been informed by the WoW expert of our house that this isn't
true. He says you need a charter and 25 silver, you can get a tabbard
but it isn't necessary. Also, you don't need to be lvl. 60. Sounds
pretty easy actually.
He wants to wait for the expansion pack too, if he's going to play
with another guild. He's on Rexxar with a guild that raids every night
so it takes up a lot of his time and he's unsure about whether he can
do another guild or not. Let us know more.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
~~Yes
100g so unless you or someone you know is a level 60 or you plan on
buying the
100g through blizzard you wont be able to make a guild.~~~~
I've been informed by the WoW expert of our house that this isn't
true. He says you need a charter and 25 silver, you can get a tabbard
but it isn't necessary. Also, you don't need to be lvl. 60. Sounds
pretty easy actually.
He wants to wait for the expansion pack too, if he's going to play
with another guild. He's on Rexxar with a guild that raids every night
so it takes up a lot of his time and he's unsure about whether he can
do another guild or not. Let us know more.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Anastasia
I've been playing WoW since its release and if anyone has any questions
regarding the game I'd be happy to help. =) My whole family plays on the
Silvermoon server. Unfortunetly until BC comes out we are alliance side.
Good luck! It sounds like a wonderful idea for a guild. =)
~Ana
regarding the game I'd be happy to help. =) My whole family plays on the
Silvermoon server. Unfortunetly until BC comes out we are alliance side.
Good luck! It sounds like a wonderful idea for a guild. =)
~Ana
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marji
Hi!!
My 12-year-old son, Liam, is an avid WoWer, too! He's a level 46
rogue in the Duskwood realm for the Horde. He's excited about
joining the Guild! He's hoping the guild will be in Duskwood so he
can use his lvl 46 character, whose name is "RinkTen."
He wonders, will this guild do a lot of instances?
Liam came up with the name "HordeRaiders" as a suggestion.
Thanks for doing this! It looks like it'll be a lot of fun!!
Marji & Liam
At 14:24 1/1/2007, you wrote:
My 12-year-old son, Liam, is an avid WoWer, too! He's a level 46
rogue in the Duskwood realm for the Horde. He's excited about
joining the Guild! He's hoping the guild will be in Duskwood so he
can use his lvl 46 character, whose name is "RinkTen."
He wonders, will this guild do a lot of instances?
Liam came up with the name "HordeRaiders" as a suggestion.
Thanks for doing this! It looks like it'll be a lot of fun!!
Marji & Liam
At 14:24 1/1/2007, you wrote:
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>Guild for unschoolers....
Ren Allen
~~He's excited about
joining the Guild! He's hoping the guild will be in Duskwood so he
can use his lvl 46 character, whose name is "RinkTen."~~
Remind him that with the expansion pack comes new race possibilties.
He might want to make a new character just for the guild.:)
My kids are all hot about the blood elves.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
joining the Guild! He's hoping the guild will be in Duskwood so he
can use his lvl 46 character, whose name is "RinkTen."~~
Remind him that with the expansion pack comes new race possibilties.
He might want to make a new character just for the guild.:)
My kids are all hot about the blood elves.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
Deborah Markley
Hi everyone - Long time lurker, here. When I saw the postings on WOW, I just had to write in.
My oldest son (13) is also real big into WOW. I'm just curious - do any of you set any limits to how much time they can spend on WOW? Right now, I've got mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging for more time. (No wonder they call it Warcrack!)
I'm just curious what types of limits others parents set...
:D
Deb
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My oldest son (13) is also real big into WOW. I'm just curious - do any of you set any limits to how much time they can spend on WOW? Right now, I've got mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging for more time. (No wonder they call it Warcrack!)
I'm just curious what types of limits others parents set...
:D
Deb
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[email protected]
I have a problem with WOW. LOL i play about 13 hours a day on and off. My 3
year old plays with me often and sometimes gets on his computer and clicks
around on WOW for a little bit. He doesn't understand how to play yet, but he
likes to press the space bar and watch them jump and he loves /train.
In a message dated 1/2/2007 11:34:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
markley4@... writes:
Hi everyone - Long time lurker, here. When I saw the postings on WOW, I just
had to write in.
My oldest son (13) is also real big into WOW. I'm just curious - do any of
you set any limits to how much time they can spend on WOW? Right now, I've got
mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging for more time. (No wonder they call
it Warcrack!)
I'm just curious what types of limits others parents set...
:D
Deb
~Alyssa in IL
_http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
year old plays with me often and sometimes gets on his computer and clicks
around on WOW for a little bit. He doesn't understand how to play yet, but he
likes to press the space bar and watch them jump and he loves /train.
In a message dated 1/2/2007 11:34:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
markley4@... writes:
Hi everyone - Long time lurker, here. When I saw the postings on WOW, I just
had to write in.
My oldest son (13) is also real big into WOW. I'm just curious - do any of
you set any limits to how much time they can spend on WOW? Right now, I've got
mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging for more time. (No wonder they call
it Warcrack!)
I'm just curious what types of limits others parents set...
:D
Deb
~Alyssa in IL
_http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
lpodietz
--- In [email protected], "Deborah Markley"
<markley4@...> wrote:
WOW? Right now, I've got mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging
for more time. (No wonder they call it Warcrack!)
I, too, have a 14 yo who is what I would call "addicted" to WOW...
if nobody told him to stop he could easily play 16 hours a day, 7
days a week, forgetting to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom...
It's a source of great angst for me, and has led me to be less
embracing of unschooling. I just can't see the benefit of spending
so much time playing this game. We have taken to limiting Aaron's
WOW time to evenings only, but I am feeling that we need to limit it
even more.... There are so many things that he formerly enjoyed
doing, that he doesn't even think to do anymore---it truly feels
like a classic addiction to me. It makes me really sad... it's a
real problem around here. I would also welcome any feedback...
On the other hand, I did tell him about the new WOW group that
Adli's family is trying to form---I do like the idea that he would
be playing with a group of people who at least have something real
in common.
<markley4@...> wrote:
> My oldest son (13) is also real big into WOW. I'm just curious -do any of you set any limits to how much time they can spend on
WOW? Right now, I've got mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging
for more time. (No wonder they call it Warcrack!)
>Hi Deb,
> I'm just curious what types of limits others parents set...
>
> :D
> Deb
I, too, have a 14 yo who is what I would call "addicted" to WOW...
if nobody told him to stop he could easily play 16 hours a day, 7
days a week, forgetting to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom...
It's a source of great angst for me, and has led me to be less
embracing of unschooling. I just can't see the benefit of spending
so much time playing this game. We have taken to limiting Aaron's
WOW time to evenings only, but I am feeling that we need to limit it
even more.... There are so many things that he formerly enjoyed
doing, that he doesn't even think to do anymore---it truly feels
like a classic addiction to me. It makes me really sad... it's a
real problem around here. I would also welcome any feedback...
On the other hand, I did tell him about the new WOW group that
Adli's family is trying to form---I do like the idea that he would
be playing with a group of people who at least have something real
in common.
Nicole Willoughby
Limits.......Well my 7 year old likes to watch daddy mainly and isnt actually playing . She has chosenn to go to school this year and I do require her to adhere to the attendance requirements or withdraw from school totaly so obviously she cant play during school hours.
This is the same for any game she likes to play.
We also have 4 people sharing 2 computers and one of which daddy has to use 40 hours a week for work . So I ask that she respect other peoples need for the computer but I never give an arbitrary 2 hour or whatever limit.
Just my 2 cents ,
Nicole
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This is the same for any game she likes to play.
We also have 4 people sharing 2 computers and one of which daddy has to use 40 hours a week for work . So I ask that she respect other peoples need for the computer but I never give an arbitrary 2 hour or whatever limit.
Just my 2 cents ,
Nicole
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Schuyler
No limits, but I'm the one playing it a bunch at the minute. I've just got a
druid to level 13 almost 14, which is nothing on what y'all got going on,
but man am I having a blast.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
druid to level 13 almost 14, which is nothing on what y'all got going on,
but man am I having a blast.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Markley" <markley4@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [unschoolingbasics] unschooling world of warcraft guild
> Hi everyone - Long time lurker, here. When I saw the postings on WOW, I
> just had to write in.
>
> My oldest son (13) is also real big into WOW. I'm just curious - do any
> of you set any limits to how much time they can spend on WOW? Right now,
> I've got mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging for more time. (No
> wonder they call it Warcrack!)
>
> I'm just curious what types of limits others parents set...
>
> :D
> Deb
>
>
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Schuyler
I've spent the last two days playing WoW and have been having a blast. I've
done it before, I have a couple of level 14 characters scattered around as I
seem to fizzle out 'round there. Simon and Linnaea play occasionally,
Linnaea more than Simon as she'll call a friend and they'll play together
and talk about what they are doing.
Anyhow, that's my life according to WoW. But I know a bit of the game. It is
an amazingly complicated game with so much going on that it is easy to sit
down and spend a day or two days or a week moving through quest after quest,
finding the perfect armor for your character, mastering the art of herbalism
and potion making, perfecting your polymorphism, learning how to blacksmith
or mine. And there is so much communication and so much helpfulness. If I'm
getting bested by some monster or another, running in the direction of some
other player is likely to get me help. And I'm likely to help someone else
as well. It is a fantastically altruistic world.
Play it before you limit your son. Sit down with him and have him help you
create a character and help you move through the tutorial level quests to
get your character to a likeable point. I like the orcs, they are so
Rastafarian. There's been a recent discussion about WoW at
unschoolingdiscussion. If you want to read it:
http://groups.google.com/group/UnschoolingDiscussion/browse_thread/thread/c82284b55aac1242/099eda5ec174f122?hl=en#099eda5ec174f122
I think the list may be accessible without membership.
But really, don't limit your son without knowing why he might love it so. Is
limiting it helping him to really love other things? Or is he increasingly
anxious to get home to play the little bits of time he's being allowed? Is
it helping your relationship with him to talk in degrading terms about the
thing that he loves? Maybe if you embraced WoW with him not only would you
come to find value in it but, since it isn't something that he'll have to
leave, his interest in other things might return. If you move some activity
that could be joyful and interesting to the land of addiction than your son
might just embrace it as if it were an addiction. Because you hate it, and I
am sure he knows that, there may be a sense that it is a limited time offer
and he may be treating it as such. But he may not be. It isn't a limited
time deal for me, and I've really spent the last couple of days playing
pretty much all day. It is a lovely way to spend time.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
done it before, I have a couple of level 14 characters scattered around as I
seem to fizzle out 'round there. Simon and Linnaea play occasionally,
Linnaea more than Simon as she'll call a friend and they'll play together
and talk about what they are doing.
Anyhow, that's my life according to WoW. But I know a bit of the game. It is
an amazingly complicated game with so much going on that it is easy to sit
down and spend a day or two days or a week moving through quest after quest,
finding the perfect armor for your character, mastering the art of herbalism
and potion making, perfecting your polymorphism, learning how to blacksmith
or mine. And there is so much communication and so much helpfulness. If I'm
getting bested by some monster or another, running in the direction of some
other player is likely to get me help. And I'm likely to help someone else
as well. It is a fantastically altruistic world.
Play it before you limit your son. Sit down with him and have him help you
create a character and help you move through the tutorial level quests to
get your character to a likeable point. I like the orcs, they are so
Rastafarian. There's been a recent discussion about WoW at
unschoolingdiscussion. If you want to read it:
http://groups.google.com/group/UnschoolingDiscussion/browse_thread/thread/c82284b55aac1242/099eda5ec174f122?hl=en#099eda5ec174f122
I think the list may be accessible without membership.
But really, don't limit your son without knowing why he might love it so. Is
limiting it helping him to really love other things? Or is he increasingly
anxious to get home to play the little bits of time he's being allowed? Is
it helping your relationship with him to talk in degrading terms about the
thing that he loves? Maybe if you embraced WoW with him not only would you
come to find value in it but, since it isn't something that he'll have to
leave, his interest in other things might return. If you move some activity
that could be joyful and interesting to the land of addiction than your son
might just embrace it as if it were an addiction. Because you hate it, and I
am sure he knows that, there may be a sense that it is a limited time offer
and he may be treating it as such. But he may not be. It isn't a limited
time deal for me, and I've really spent the last couple of days playing
pretty much all day. It is a lovely way to spend time.
Schuyler
www.waynforth.blogspot.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "lpodietz" <lpodietz@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:55 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: unschooling world of warcraft guild
> --- In [email protected], "Deborah Markley"
> <markley4@...> wrote:
>
>> My oldest son (13) is also real big into WOW. I'm just curious -
> do any of you set any limits to how much time they can spend on
> WOW? Right now, I've got mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging
> for more time. (No wonder they call it Warcrack!)
>>
>> I'm just curious what types of limits others parents set...
>>
>> :D
>> Deb
>
>
> Hi Deb,
> I, too, have a 14 yo who is what I would call "addicted" to WOW...
> if nobody told him to stop he could easily play 16 hours a day, 7
> days a week, forgetting to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom...
>
> It's a source of great angst for me, and has led me to be less
> embracing of unschooling. I just can't see the benefit of spending
> so much time playing this game. We have taken to limiting Aaron's
> WOW time to evenings only, but I am feeling that we need to limit it
> even more.... There are so many things that he formerly enjoyed
> doing, that he doesn't even think to do anymore---it truly feels
> like a classic addiction to me. It makes me really sad... it's a
> real problem around here. I would also welcome any feedback...
>
> On the other hand, I did tell him about the new WOW group that
> Adli's family is trying to form---I do like the idea that he would
> be playing with a group of people who at least have something real
> in common.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
A Voss Dolce
I have been battling the addiction in an intense way for a few weeks now. At one point, my son, 13, was playing 13 + hours a day; ignoring chores, his animals, dinnertimes, homework, friends and other interesting pursuits. ( in other words, everything). And I am concerned. It is difficult to get him off the game when I need help with something without hearing 'I can't help you now...I'm in an instance' or something similar.
WOW has a parental control feature and I threatened to use it if he could not control his playing time on his own. I was going to limit him to not playing past midnight, not playing until late afternoons, with a 2 hour break for dinner and seeing how that went.
However, I would rather the decision came from him.
So after the "talk" he was willing to play less. But don't know how long it will last....
I actually created a character and played with him. I agree it is fun and I definately agree that learning takes place. But 13 hours a day is a lack of balance.
I hope he can come up with his own solution; I would really regret having to impose limits.
Amy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
WOW has a parental control feature and I threatened to use it if he could not control his playing time on his own. I was going to limit him to not playing past midnight, not playing until late afternoons, with a 2 hour break for dinner and seeing how that went.
However, I would rather the decision came from him.
So after the "talk" he was willing to play less. But don't know how long it will last....
I actually created a character and played with him. I agree it is fun and I definately agree that learning takes place. But 13 hours a day is a lack of balance.
I hope he can come up with his own solution; I would really regret having to impose limits.
Amy
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jlh44music
"A Voss Dolce" <avd@...> wrote:
ignoring chores, his animals, dinnertimes, homework, friends and
other interesting pursuits. ( in other words, everything). And I am
concerned. It is difficult to get him off the game when I need help
with something without hearing 'I can't help you now...I'm in an
instance' or something similar.>
I find that if I talk with Danielle about things that I'd like her
help with, or things that SHE has asked me to remind her about
(because she loses track of time then remembers at bedtime!) is to
pop in and ask her when would be a good time to do "whatever" it is,
as opposed to demanding. That way she has control and input into
when, because, it IS hard to change gears (and I DO understand about
the raids etc they get involved in as a group on WOW). Even when
she plans to take a shower, I have to help her by reminding her
several times, even with a quick, gentle comment as I walk by "shower
tonight?" or "shower?". I find if I work with her on planning
she's more willing.
Each family does it differently, and when you're really new to
unschooling, it's a real paradigm shift when you're used to insisting
on chores etc etc and we each have to find what works for us.
Jann
> I have been battling the addiction in an intense way for a fewweeks now. At one point, my son, 13, was playing 13 + hours a day;
ignoring chores, his animals, dinnertimes, homework, friends and
other interesting pursuits. ( in other words, everything). And I am
concerned. It is difficult to get him off the game when I need help
with something without hearing 'I can't help you now...I'm in an
instance' or something similar.>
I find that if I talk with Danielle about things that I'd like her
help with, or things that SHE has asked me to remind her about
(because she loses track of time then remembers at bedtime!) is to
pop in and ask her when would be a good time to do "whatever" it is,
as opposed to demanding. That way she has control and input into
when, because, it IS hard to change gears (and I DO understand about
the raids etc they get involved in as a group on WOW). Even when
she plans to take a shower, I have to help her by reminding her
several times, even with a quick, gentle comment as I walk by "shower
tonight?" or "shower?". I find if I work with her on planning
she's more willing.
Each family does it differently, and when you're really new to
unschooling, it's a real paradigm shift when you're used to insisting
on chores etc etc and we each have to find what works for us.
Jann
Ren Allen
~~It is difficult to get him off the game when I need help
with something without hearing 'I can't help you now...I'm in an
instance' or something similar.>~~
Would you want to be interrupted if you were doing something that was
totally fascinating, fulfilling and enjoyable? I don't believe in
setting arbitrary limits on game time. When he trusts that you won't
try to stop him from doing what he loves, he'll probably be more
willing to help out in between raids and such.
How about embrace his interest? Parents are always asking how to
unschool...THIS is an opportunity!! Embrace whatever it is they are
fascinated with at the moment. Right now it's World of Warcraft. Watch
him play, ask him questions about the game, buy the expansion pack,
buy the WoW Atlas or book of artwork, FEED the interest, nourish this.
The more you enter into the interest, the more building up of the
relationship you're doing. TRUST that this is exactly what form his
learning needs to take right now. Limiting it will not take away the
desire or fascination, it will only harm your relationship.
Unschooling is built on trust. Relationships are not built through
limitations, nor is that going to help a child revel in their unique
abilities and interests.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
with something without hearing 'I can't help you now...I'm in an
instance' or something similar.>~~
Would you want to be interrupted if you were doing something that was
totally fascinating, fulfilling and enjoyable? I don't believe in
setting arbitrary limits on game time. When he trusts that you won't
try to stop him from doing what he loves, he'll probably be more
willing to help out in between raids and such.
How about embrace his interest? Parents are always asking how to
unschool...THIS is an opportunity!! Embrace whatever it is they are
fascinated with at the moment. Right now it's World of Warcraft. Watch
him play, ask him questions about the game, buy the expansion pack,
buy the WoW Atlas or book of artwork, FEED the interest, nourish this.
The more you enter into the interest, the more building up of the
relationship you're doing. TRUST that this is exactly what form his
learning needs to take right now. Limiting it will not take away the
desire or fascination, it will only harm your relationship.
Unschooling is built on trust. Relationships are not built through
limitations, nor is that going to help a child revel in their unique
abilities and interests.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
The Jeffrees
Good Afternoon All,
I joined this list a short time ago and have been lurking and thoroughly enjoying reading the posts here as I contemplate homeschooling/unschooling. I am tending more towards unschooling but my husband is dragging his feet a little. At the moment here (we live in Australia) it is Christmas holiday period with the schools so he is relaxed and I am taking every opportunity to point out when they learn something or improve a skill so he can begin to see it.
I just wanted to comment on the current discussion of whether or not to set limits on gaming. I am personally inclined to say that there SHOULD be limits. In my experience, if there are no limits then when does the gamer do anything else? My brother (will be 25 in April) started gaming (I'm not sure if it's WoW or something similar) when he was waiting for major surgery on his knee. He had dropped out of school due to medical reasons (I say dropped out because he had intended to stay there). It is now almost 3 years since the operation and he is still an avid gamer. So much so that it literally runs his life. The people who he games with are largely based in the USA so he has essentially become nocturnal. My brother has no income and lives with my Dad who is on a pension. He eats poorly as making mac and cheese or a microwaved burger takes up less of his gaming time. My brother has no intention of getting a job, no motivation to do so when his time is so filled with enjoyment.
The game has literally become his life; or vice versa, I'm not sure. I don't think that that is something that should be encouraged and I don't know how you could discourage it without setting limits on gaming time, or mandatory requirements that other things be done before the gaming begins for the day, etc.
Kindest Wishes,
Anita
(Mum to Liam 9 and Rhiannan 7)
I joined this list a short time ago and have been lurking and thoroughly enjoying reading the posts here as I contemplate homeschooling/unschooling. I am tending more towards unschooling but my husband is dragging his feet a little. At the moment here (we live in Australia) it is Christmas holiday period with the schools so he is relaxed and I am taking every opportunity to point out when they learn something or improve a skill so he can begin to see it.
I just wanted to comment on the current discussion of whether or not to set limits on gaming. I am personally inclined to say that there SHOULD be limits. In my experience, if there are no limits then when does the gamer do anything else? My brother (will be 25 in April) started gaming (I'm not sure if it's WoW or something similar) when he was waiting for major surgery on his knee. He had dropped out of school due to medical reasons (I say dropped out because he had intended to stay there). It is now almost 3 years since the operation and he is still an avid gamer. So much so that it literally runs his life. The people who he games with are largely based in the USA so he has essentially become nocturnal. My brother has no income and lives with my Dad who is on a pension. He eats poorly as making mac and cheese or a microwaved burger takes up less of his gaming time. My brother has no intention of getting a job, no motivation to do so when his time is so filled with enjoyment.
The game has literally become his life; or vice versa, I'm not sure. I don't think that that is something that should be encouraged and I don't know how you could discourage it without setting limits on gaming time, or mandatory requirements that other things be done before the gaming begins for the day, etc.
Kindest Wishes,
Anita
(Mum to Liam 9 and Rhiannan 7)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ren Allen
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: [unschoolingbasics] Re: unschooling world of warcraft guild
~~It is difficult to get him off the game when I need help
with something without hearing 'I can't help you now...I'm in an
instance' or something similar.>~~
Would you want to be interrupted if you were doing something that was
totally fascinating, fulfilling and enjoyable? I don't believe in
setting arbitrary limits on game time. When he trusts that you won't
try to stop him from doing what he loves, he'll probably be more
willing to help out in between raids and such.
How about embrace his interest? Parents are always asking how to
unschool...THIS is an opportunity!! Embrace whatever it is they are
fascinated with at the moment. Right now it's World of Warcraft. Watch
him play, ask him questions about the game, buy the expansion pack,
buy the WoW Atlas or book of artwork, FEED the interest, nourish this.
The more you enter into the interest, the more building up of the
relationship you're doing. TRUST that this is exactly what form his
learning needs to take right now. Limiting it will not take away the
desire or fascination, it will only harm your relationship.
Unschooling is built on trust. Relationships are not built through
limitations, nor is that going to help a child revel in their unique
abilities and interests.
Ren
learninginfreedom.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Crystal Miller
<<Re: unschooling world of warcraft guild>>
Too funny. I was just talking to Dave last night and joking that he was
addicted to WoW. Now that I here about other families playing 16
hours...well, maybe he's not. heehee
The other day Sorscha was playing at home and she was asking me how to spell
a bunch of what I would call 'big' battling words. I knew that obviously
she was talking with someone and I really wanted to come look over her
shoulder to 'make sure all was safe'. Instead I chose to trust her in the
situation and I remained silent and did not let my panties get in a bunch
worrying about some big, bad person that I created in my head saying
something innappropriate.
After about 20 minutes I finally asked her, "Hey, cool you made a friend on
there." Okay, so I finally opened my big mouth but my panties were creeping
up just slightly. heehee
Anyhow, Sorscha then said to me, "Oh it's just Dad."
YUP, I felt like a total idiot. The interesting thing is that Sorscha has
chosen to be this big male guy with armor and such and she's getting really
great at the game. No one would ever guess they were working with a 9 year
old girl. heehee
~Crystal~
http://daikinicrossroads.blogspot.com/
Too funny. I was just talking to Dave last night and joking that he was
addicted to WoW. Now that I here about other families playing 16
hours...well, maybe he's not. heehee
The other day Sorscha was playing at home and she was asking me how to spell
a bunch of what I would call 'big' battling words. I knew that obviously
she was talking with someone and I really wanted to come look over her
shoulder to 'make sure all was safe'. Instead I chose to trust her in the
situation and I remained silent and did not let my panties get in a bunch
worrying about some big, bad person that I created in my head saying
something innappropriate.
After about 20 minutes I finally asked her, "Hey, cool you made a friend on
there." Okay, so I finally opened my big mouth but my panties were creeping
up just slightly. heehee
Anyhow, Sorscha then said to me, "Oh it's just Dad."
YUP, I felt like a total idiot. The interesting thing is that Sorscha has
chosen to be this big male guy with armor and such and she's getting really
great at the game. No one would ever guess they were working with a 9 year
old girl. heehee
~Crystal~
http://daikinicrossroads.blogspot.com/
Mara
Hi,
I don't know if this helps any, but my stepson was
'addicted' to WOW too when we took him out of public
school in the middle of seventh grade. He played most
days all days without doing much of anything else for
about a year. He did not even want to see his friends
anymore or go out anywhere. Drove his father crazy,
but I knew he was just deschooling and had a lot of
healing to do. Computer games are great for that I
hear, even have been studies done on that. In
hindsight he said that was the best year of his life.
Now he is barely on the computer and does a lot of
things self-initiated and with lots of friends (he
recently started Sudbury Valley and would now be in
10th grade).
I believe he learned a lot in that year, the family
relationships improved greatly and he changed from
often being angry, sick and unhappy to a wonderful,
confident young man who loves the outdoors and many
other things completely unrelated to computer games.
All the best,
Mara
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I don't know if this helps any, but my stepson was
'addicted' to WOW too when we took him out of public
school in the middle of seventh grade. He played most
days all days without doing much of anything else for
about a year. He did not even want to see his friends
anymore or go out anywhere. Drove his father crazy,
but I knew he was just deschooling and had a lot of
healing to do. Computer games are great for that I
hear, even have been studies done on that. In
hindsight he said that was the best year of his life.
Now he is barely on the computer and does a lot of
things self-initiated and with lots of friends (he
recently started Sudbury Valley and would now be in
10th grade).
I believe he learned a lot in that year, the family
relationships improved greatly and he changed from
often being angry, sick and unhappy to a wonderful,
confident young man who loves the outdoors and many
other things completely unrelated to computer games.
All the best,
Mara
--- A Voss Dolce <avd@...> wrote:
> I have been battling the addiction in an intense way__________________________________________________
> for a few weeks now. At one point, my son, 13,
> was playing 13 + hours a day; ignoring chores, his
> animals, dinnertimes, homework, friends and other
> interesting pursuits. ( in other words, everything).
> And I am concerned. It is difficult to get him off
> the game when I need help with something without
> hearing 'I can't help you now...I'm in an instance'
> or something similar.
>
> WOW has a parental control feature and I threatened
> to use it if he could not control his playing time
> on his own. I was going to limit him to not playing
> past midnight, not playing until late afternoons,
> with a 2 hour break for dinner and seeing how that
> went.
> However, I would rather the decision came from him.
>
> So after the "talk" he was willing to play less.
> But don't know how long it will last....
> I actually created a character and played with him.
> I agree it is fun and I definately agree that
> learning takes place. But 13 hours a day is a lack
> of balance.
> I hope he can come up with his own solution; I would
> really regret having to impose limits.
>
> Amy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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Flower - Randi
Hi all...my name is Randi and I am just a part of our wonderful unschooling family in Albuquerque and we are thinking about starting WoW but have no idea where to start. Do we have to buy the base game and all the expansions? Could someone please give me the basics? I think that this could be a real blast for me and my brothers. Thanks for all your help!
~Randi da Flower
My blog:
http://theknittedflower.blogspot.com/
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plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], "Deborah Markley"
<markley4@...> wrote:
WOW? Right now, I've got mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging
for more time. (No wonder they call it Warcrack!)
We're still waiting for our WoW, but Ray plays other games. The only
limits we have are the "natural" limits of one computer shared
between four people - and dial-up at that, so there are times when
the phone lines need to be free for awhile.
One of our solutions has been to ask him to stay up later and play
more at night. He was a little startled by the request "y'all *want*
me to stay up late Playing on the computer? Really" Its so totally
the opposite of the expectations from when he was in school.
I'm expecting WoW to take over the whole family for at least a
little while, but that's one reason I wanted to get it Right Now!
What better solution to chilly, muddy, weather than an exciting new
game?
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
<markley4@...> wrote:
>WOW, I just had to write in.
> Hi everyone - Long time lurker, here. When I saw the postings on
>do any of you set any limits to how much time they can spend on
> My oldest son (13) is also real big into WOW. I'm just curious -
WOW? Right now, I've got mine on 2 hours a day, but he is begging
for more time. (No wonder they call it Warcrack!)
We're still waiting for our WoW, but Ray plays other games. The only
limits we have are the "natural" limits of one computer shared
between four people - and dial-up at that, so there are times when
the phone lines need to be free for awhile.
One of our solutions has been to ask him to stay up later and play
more at night. He was a little startled by the request "y'all *want*
me to stay up late Playing on the computer? Really" Its so totally
the opposite of the expectations from when he was in school.
I'm expecting WoW to take over the whole family for at least a
little while, but that's one reason I wanted to get it Right Now!
What better solution to chilly, muddy, weather than an exciting new
game?
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
jlh44music
"Silk Road" is another one similar to WOW and Runescape online and it's
free. My dd has tried it and will visit it once in a while, but still
likes WOW best!
Jann
free. My dd has tried it and will visit it once in a while, but still
likes WOW best!
Jann
[email protected]
_www.worldofwarcraft.com_ (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com) if you go there,
there is a 10 day free trial (which includes the full version of WOW).
There are some restrictions however with the free trial, you can only level to
20. You cannot trade items with other members, and you cant do general chat.
But to just get a feel for the game, and if you and your kids will like it or
not it's a great way to check it out without buying.
In a message dated 1/3/2007 11:16:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
flowerssoul@... writes:
Hi all...my name is Randi and I am just a part of our wonderful unschooling
family in Albuquerque and we are thinking about starting WoW but have no idea
where to start. Do we have to buy the base game and all the expansions?
Could someone please give me the basics? I think that this could be a real blast
for me and my brothers. Thanks for all your help!
~Randi da Flower
~Alyssa in IL
_http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
there is a 10 day free trial (which includes the full version of WOW).
There are some restrictions however with the free trial, you can only level to
20. You cannot trade items with other members, and you cant do general chat.
But to just get a feel for the game, and if you and your kids will like it or
not it's a great way to check it out without buying.
In a message dated 1/3/2007 11:16:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
flowerssoul@... writes:
Hi all...my name is Randi and I am just a part of our wonderful unschooling
family in Albuquerque and we are thinking about starting WoW but have no idea
where to start. Do we have to buy the base game and all the expansions?
Could someone please give me the basics? I think that this could be a real blast
for me and my brothers. Thanks for all your help!
~Randi da Flower
~Alyssa in IL
_http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
" Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and
dance like you do when nobody's watching."
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
nothing."
" Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you are good
or evil."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Chauncey Donovan
Hi Randi,
First off, you need to buy a copy of the game for each member of the
family who will want to be playing.
This isn't completely necessary, but only one person can be logged into
an account at any time, so the
more copies you buy, the more accounts you can make (each copy comes
with one CD-Key, and each CD-Key can be used ONCE to make ONE account)
and the more members of the family that can play at the same time.
The first WoW expansion pack, The Burning Crusade, will be released
mid-January. Buying this EXP is NOT
something that you have to do, though I highly recommend it. People with
the expansion pack will be able to
access brand new areas of the game, and play as the two new races being
implemented into the game, as well
as experience various other new features. If you don't have the EXP, you
won't be able to participate with these
new areas of the game with friends. If you decide to buy the EXP, you
will need to buy one copy for every
WoW account you own in order to upgrade each account to "Burning Crusade
status."
Keep in mind that each account costs around $15 every month to keep
playing, though you can freeze the account at any time, keeping all your
characters and work but no longer paying or playing, so you can start
up again at any time you want without having to start from scratch.
If you have any questions, let me know.
-Nectarine
First off, you need to buy a copy of the game for each member of the
family who will want to be playing.
This isn't completely necessary, but only one person can be logged into
an account at any time, so the
more copies you buy, the more accounts you can make (each copy comes
with one CD-Key, and each CD-Key can be used ONCE to make ONE account)
and the more members of the family that can play at the same time.
The first WoW expansion pack, The Burning Crusade, will be released
mid-January. Buying this EXP is NOT
something that you have to do, though I highly recommend it. People with
the expansion pack will be able to
access brand new areas of the game, and play as the two new races being
implemented into the game, as well
as experience various other new features. If you don't have the EXP, you
won't be able to participate with these
new areas of the game with friends. If you decide to buy the EXP, you
will need to buy one copy for every
WoW account you own in order to upgrade each account to "Burning Crusade
status."
Keep in mind that each account costs around $15 every month to keep
playing, though you can freeze the account at any time, keeping all your
characters and work but no longer paying or playing, so you can start
up again at any time you want without having to start from scratch.
If you have any questions, let me know.
-Nectarine
Randi
Thanks a million. I think we will try this and see how it goes
Warcrack here we come!
~randi
Warcrack here we come!
~randi
--- In [email protected], SquishyMommyof2@... wrote:
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> _www.worldofwarcraft.com_ (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com) if you
go there,
> there is a 10 day free trial (which includes the full version of
WOW).
> There are some restrictions however with the free trial, you can
only level to
> 20. You cannot trade items with other members, and you cant do
general chat.
> But to just get a feel for the game, and if you and your kids will
like it or
> not it's a great way to check it out without buying.
>
> In a message dated 1/3/2007 11:16:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> flowerssoul@... writes:
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> Hi all...my name is Randi and I am just a part of our wonderful
unschooling
> family in Albuquerque and we are thinking about starting WoW but
have no idea
> where to start. Do we have to buy the base game and all the
expansions?
> Could someone please give me the basics? I think that this could be
a real blast
> for me and my brothers. Thanks for all your help!
>
> ~Randi da Flower
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>
>
>
> ~Alyssa in IL
> _http://squishymommy.blogspot.com_ (http://squishymommy.blogspot.com/)
>
>
> " Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been
hurt, and
> dance like you do when nobody's watching."
>
> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do
> nothing."
>
> " Knowledge is power but how you use that power defines wether you
are good
> or evil."
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plaidpanties666
--- In [email protected], "The Jeffrees"
<thejeffrees@...> wrote:
When something else becomes more valuble.
Its hard to extrapolate the experiences of an adult who was in school
until his twenties to a kid, even a teen, who has received the gift of
Trust that is unschooling.
Spend more time reading about the lives of unschoolers and get a sense
of the different experiences that are out there. Limits and rules
aren't the only options - aren't necessarily the best options.
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)
<thejeffrees@...> wrote:
>In my experience, if there are no limits then when does the gamer >doanything else?
When something else becomes more valuble.
Its hard to extrapolate the experiences of an adult who was in school
until his twenties to a kid, even a teen, who has received the gift of
Trust that is unschooling.
Spend more time reading about the lives of unschoolers and get a sense
of the different experiences that are out there. Limits and rules
aren't the only options - aren't necessarily the best options.
---Meredith (Mo 5, Ray 13)