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I am having some real issues with my JOB. Basically, I make a really good salary doing something I do for the paycheck, not because its my passion in life. I went to Public School and now I am employed in the Public Sector. I hated school and now I hate my job. But I have my good days because of my "friends" at work. Kind of like having friends at school. You feel part of a community and convince yourself you are making a difference in the world by doing your job. There are so many parallels I can see between what I am doing and going to school as a child. I show up every day and do my bit, and at this point I am not even clear what my passions are because my time mostly belongs to someone else and I have to think about what they pay me to think about, not what I want to think about. And right now I am at work not doing my job. I am emailing you all on the internet.
One day last year, after a particularly bad commute my daughter had to stay in "after school care" way too long because I was late. She got into the car and started ragging on me for being late. I tried to explain to her that it was not my fault. She leaned her head against the window and said: "I'm just so unhappy. I HATE my school so much. I hate school." and I said "I hate work." and then I looked at her and said: "Lets quit." So....here she is deschooling and I am still working. (Fortunately her Dad is off work until January.) I tell her often that I want her to find her passions in life, but I am not exactly practicing what I preach. I feel like I need to "dework." I am trying to set myself up financially for quitting, but it is taking time and I am so tempted to just quit and let the chips fall where they may. I also have some trepidation because I worked hard to get where I am and its nice to have a decent salary to afford things. I grew up poor and we lived paycheck to pay
check before I went back into the work force. Has anyone else quit a "good job" for uncertainty?
Kathryn

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Ren Allen

~~Has anyone else quit a "good job"
for uncertainty?~~

Oh my yes.
My dh was making about $50k per year, our mortgage was about $350 for
a very large house and we got a trip to Mexico or Hawaii every year.
If he'd stayed at that company, we would have been well into the 6
figure income now. And our lives would not be our own.

We sold our house and moved to Florida, having never BEEN there!!:)
We started our own business and lived on very low income for a long
time. But it was on our terms, we chose our lives and we learned so
much from the experience. Just about the time we were getting
financially ahead, we moved AGAIN! I know...crazy.

Left our jobs and home again, to start all over in TN. We chose this
life and we love it here. We took another financial hit and some
serious risk to start over again...but we finally feel that we've
found "home". We're doing work we love and living exactly where we
want to be for long-term.

Interestingly enough, when we were struggling to get going up here
last year, my dh's old company kept writing him and asking him to come
back. It was the kind of money that would drastically change our
lives. While the money sounded REALLY great, neither of us was truly
tempted to change anything. Confidence comes from pursuing the life
you choose and seeing that it CAN and will work out. Life IS good.:)

Ren
learninginfreedom.com

Su Penn

On Oct 14, 2006, at 11:36 AM, airokat@... wrote:

> . Has anyone else quit a "good job" for uncertainty?

Just this week! I quit a part-time teaching job I've done for years
and hated more and more all the time. My partner and I decided that I
wouldn't go back next semester, but after we made that decision,
continuing became intolerable, and I asked my chair to replace me
immediately. Which he did. (One of my friends said, "I understand.
I've had jobs that I couldn't let myself feel how much I hated them,
because I had to keep doing them. Once you decided to leave in
December, you couldn't keep pretending you didn't hate what you were
doing, so you had to quit sooner.")

My situation isn't quite like yours because I didn't provide the bulk
of our family's income, working from home only part-time. But I made
a lot of money per hour, and I have anxiety about money, so even as
my partner's income has increased, it has been hard for me to think
of giving up the "extra" money I was earning. Recently, when I was
talking--yet again--about my job, my partner said to me, "But when
you say you make a lot per hour, you have to take into account how
your job hangs over your head all the time...how much time you spend
talking to me and friends about how much you hate it...how irritable
you get...how it takes you away from being available to the kids even
when you're not actually working at that moment." Over the next few
weeks, I paid attention and realized he was right--doing the job
affected my mood and cast a pall over my life that extended far
beyond the hours I spent doing it.

It has felt great to quit, though I'm definitely de-working. This
week, I just wanted to veg out and read instead of jumping in and
doing all the things I was suddenly free to do, so I spent much of
the week relaxing, letting the house go to hell, ordering take-out
for dinner. I also felt able to say "Yes" to the kids a lot, and just
be with them while they spent as much time at the park, the library,
or engaged in a project, as they wanted. Aaaahhh.

As I said, my situation isn't analogous to yours--I earned about 1/8
of what my partner earns, and he just got a raise, so I don't _think_
leaving my job will require huge shifts in how we handle money, in
what we can and can't do, and so on. But it feels so good to have
just taken the plunge, to not keep thinking, "I'll just do the job
for a few more years until the car is paid off," or "I can keep doing
the job and put the money into savings! Won't that be great?" For me,
it's tied up with anxiety about money, and I am also feeling that in
this transition. But I expect it will be all to the good in the long
term.

Oh, I also am thinking that leaving the job gives me the opportunity
to find other outlets for doing the parts of it I do like. I taught
required freshman composition classes to students who were poorly
prepared and didn't want to be there. Hellish! In the past, I have
led creative writing workshops and reading groups, which have allowed
me to facilitate groups of people who wanted to be there, practicing
things they were interested in, outside the school system. I am
excited to think about doing a reading group again, for instance. And
next summer, if my proposal is accepted, I'll be leading a week-long
(3 hours/day) workshop on Walt Whitman's "Song of Myself" for
Quakers, something I might not have been able to do otherwise because
I usually have taught a summer class.

You might broaden your question to, "Has anyone ever just taken a
leap of faith?" Has there been a time when you've done that? (Having
babies comes to mind for me!)

Good luck.

Su, who, God willing, will never again have to grade a 1000-word
essay on Secondhand Smoke, Euthanasia, or whether homeschooling
should be legal <g>

Cara

> Has anyone else quit a "good job" for uncertainty?

Yes! I had a good, work at home, telecommute job with benefits. It
was also the major source of income in our family. Hubby and I
decided that while we enjoyed where we were living, we didn't enjoy
HOW we were living. There was no passion, no joy, no happiness, no
togetherness, etc.

So I quit my job, cashed in my 401k (just enough to pay the moving
truck and live for 2 months) and moved with my hubby to Louisiana.
It took ALOT of getting used to. Now we have a completely different
lifestyle. Now my hubby makes all the money and he has 6 months of
vacation every year (he works 2 weeks on, has 2 weeks off).

It took me 2 years to fully de-work; I had been working everyday
since I was 14. At first I felt guilty about not working and tried
making money on the side, even though I didn't like it. Then I gave
up that too to just 'be'.

As a child, my father always insisted that you had to have a good
job and benefits. That was his definition of success. I soon found
out that it was not mine. Now I really enjoy being passionate about
life. Sometimes, like having children, you just take the leap and
go with it.

Cara :)

Johanna

Am 14.10.2006 um 17:36 schrieb airokat@...:
> . Has anyone else quit a "good job" for uncertainty?
> Kathryn


After I got to know about unschooling, it took me a month ot thinking
about my own studies. I was studying at the university and I have
hated it since a long time (in the beginning I liked it, but I guess
just because I was "freeer" than at school!). THe more I knew aobut
unschooling and the more I got convinced, the more I kinds of "had"
ot apply this to myself as well, and I hated my studies even more.
But it so "unreasonable" to quit your studies! Everybody kept saying
I would have "nothing", that I would never find a job (and that
although I already run a successful (small) business on my own!), and
that "jobs can never be joyful anyway". I refused to believe all
that, and I'm happy to announce that:

****I QUIT MY STUDIES****

I felt so relieved, so free, so happy. I was so concerned my parents
wouldn't understand (at the age of 28!), and actually my mother
didn't and we are still not speaking to each other :-( but my father
said that it was my choice and I was "old enough" (lol). I was so
happy and cried two days long for joy ;-) Since then, all kinds of
opportunities to get more jobs and more money doing things I like
have opened up, just by doing what I enjoy.

In the household, I will never buy a new machine, if the old crappy
one is still working somehow and is still there. I will never buy new
socks, if my socks are still there, even though they have holes. So
we usually throw these things away, and suddenly ther is a way to buy
these things. Only when we need it, we are creative enough to come up
with things. That how I work, maybe you work differently, but if your
problem was mine, I would quit my job and then I'd become creative.

Greetings
Johanna

Johanna

Am 14.10.2006 um 17:36 schrieb airokat@...:
> . Has anyone else quit a "good job" for uncertainty?
> Kathryn


After I got to know about unschooling, it took me a month ot thinking
about my own studies. I was studying at the university and I have
hated it since a long time (in the beginning I liked it, but I guess
just because I was "freeer" than at school!). THe more I knew aobut
unschooling and the more I got convinced, the more I kinds of "had"
ot apply this to myself as well, and I hated my studies even more.
But it so "unreasonable" to quit your studies! Everybody kept saying
I would have "nothing", that I would never find a job (and that
although I already run a successful (small) business on my own!), and
that "jobs can never be joyful anyway". I refused to believe all
that, and I'm happy to announce that:

****I QUIT MY STUDIES****

I felt so relieved, so free, so happy. I was so concerned my parents
wouldn't understand (at the age of 28!), and actually my mother
didn't and we are still not speaking to each other :-( but my father
said that it was my choice and I was "old enough" (lol). I was so
happy and cried two days long for joy ;-) Since then, all kinds of
opportunities to get more jobs and more money doing things I like
have opened up, just by doing what I enjoy.

In the household, I will never buy a new machine, if the old crappy
one is still working somehow and is still there. I will never buy new
socks, if my socks are still there, even though they have holes. So
we usually throw these things away, and suddenly ther is a way to buy
these things. Only when we need it, we are creative enough to come up
with things. That how I work, maybe you work differently, but if your
problem was mine, I would quit my job and then I'd become creative.

Greetings
Johanna

[email protected]

<< if your
problem was mine, I would quit my job and then I'd become creative.>>

Thanks, Johanna.
I think I will. Another thing is that work puts me in a sort of "catch-22" situation. I have all these ideas about alternative ways to make money, but work robs me of the time to implement them.
Kathryn

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From: Johanna <dialog@...>

Am 14.10.2006 um 17:36 schrieb airokat@...:
> . Has anyone else quit a "good job" for uncertainty?
> Kathryn

After I got to know about unschooling, it took me a month ot thinking
about my own studies. I was studying at the university and I have
hated it since a long time (in the beginning I liked it, but I guess
just because I was "freeer" than at school!). THe more I knew aobut
unschooling and the more I got convinced, the more I kinds of "had"
ot apply this to myself as well, and I hated my studies even more.
But it so "unreasonable" to quit your studies! Everybody kept saying
I would have "nothing", that I would never find a job (and that
although I already run a successful (small) business on my own!), and
that "jobs can never be joyful anyway". I refused to believe all
that, and I'm happy to announce that:

****I QUIT MY STUDIES****

I felt so relieved, so free, so happy. I was so concerned my parents
wouldn't understand (at the age of 28!), and actually my mother
didn't and we are still not speaking to each other :-( but my father
said that it was my choice and I was "old enough" (lol). I was so
happy and cried two days long for joy ;-) Since then, all kinds of
opportunities to get more jobs and more money doing things I like
have opened up, just by doing what I enjoy.

In the household, I will never buy a new machine, if the old crappy
one is still working somehow and is still there. I will never buy new
socks, if my socks are still there, even though they have holes. So
we usually throw these things away, and suddenly ther is a way to buy
these things. Only when we need it, we are creative enough to come up
with things. That how I work, maybe you work differently, but if your
problem was mine, I would quit my job and then I'd become creative.

Greetings
Johanna




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lpodietz

--- In [email protected], airokat@... wrote:
She leaned her head against the window and said: "I'm just so
unhappy. I HATE my school so much. I hate school." and I said "I
hate work." and then I looked at her and said: "Lets quit."
So....here she is deschooling and I am still working. (Fortunately
her Dad is off work until January.) I tell her often that I want her
to find her passions in life, but I am not exactly practicing what I
preach. I feel like I need to "dework." I am trying to set myself up
financially for quitting, but it is taking time and I am so tempted
to just quit and let the chips fall where they may."

Hi Kathryn,
I guess I'm responding to this posting and your other posting
following up about your daughter, at the same time. You and your
daughter sound like incredibly courageous people. Your daughter
seems so grounded, self-aware and wise... sometimes our children
are the best teachers for us adults, aren't they? I know that I
have learned far more from my kids about what really matters, than
I've taught them.

Best wishes,
Linda

Johanna

Am 14.10.2006 um 20:13 schrieb airokat@...:

> I think I will. Another thing is that work puts me in a sort of
> "catch-22" situation. I have all these ideas about alternative ways
> to make money, but work robs me of the time to implement them.

This is exactly what I was feeling! I had so many ideas to make my
small business grow, but I couldn't do anything, because I was
supposed to be reading some stupid essay about some stupid study I
wasn't interested in and I knew I would fall asleep after reading one
page anyway. So I usually didn't even study, I usually was at my
computer with a constant bad concience because I should be doing
something "for the university", and also feeling bad because I felt I
was wasting my time trying to do something "reasonable".

So *especially* if you have so many ideas about alternative ways to
make money (!!!) – what are you waiting for?

Johanna :-)

PS.: I just want to encourage you, the decission is your
responsibility ;)

[email protected]

<<So *especially* if you have so many ideas about alternative ways to
make money (!!!) � what are you waiting for?>>

Fear of failure I guess. (I know, feel the fear and do it anyway) I have had more than one halfbaked idea in the past that failed to pan out. Also, I am the primary breadwinner at the moment so its going to take some planning.
Kathryn


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From: Johanna <dialog@...>

>
> Am 14.10.2006 um 20:13 schrieb airokat@...:
>
> > I think I will. Another thing is that work puts me in a sort of
> > "catch-22" situation. I have all these ideas about alternative ways
> > to make money, but work robs me of the time to implement them.
>
> This is exactly what I was feeling! I had so many ideas to make my
> small business grow, but I couldn't do anything, because I was
> supposed to be reading some stupid essay about some stupid study I
> wasn't interested in and I knew I would fall asleep after reading one
> page anyway. So I usually didn't even study, I usually was at my
> computer with a constant bad concience because I should be doing
> something "for the university", and also feeling bad because I felt I
> was wasting my time trying to do something "reasonable".
>
> So *especially* if you have so many ideas about alternative ways to
> make money (!!!) � what are you waiting for?
>
> Johanna :-)
>
> PS.: I just want to encourage you, the decission is your
> responsibility ;)
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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Thank you Linda, That was very complimentary. I never thought about calling us courageous.
Kathryn
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From: "lpodietz" <lpodietz@...>
--- In [email protected], airokat@... wrote:
She leaned her head against the window and said: "I'm just so
unhappy. I HATE my school so much. I hate school." and I said "I
hate work." and then I looked at her and said: "Lets quit."
So....here she is deschooling and I am still working. (Fortunately
her Dad is off work until January.) I tell her often that I want her
to find her passions in life, but I am not exactly practicing what I
preach. I feel like I need to "dework." I am trying to set myself up
financially for quitting, but it is taking time and I am so tempted
to just quit and let the chips fall where they may."

Hi Kathryn,
I guess I'm responding to this posting and your other posting
following up about your daughter, at the same time. You and your
daughter sound like incredibly courageous people. Your daughter
seems so grounded, self-aware and wise... sometimes our children
are the best teachers for us adults, aren't they? I know that I
have learned far more from my kids about what really matters, than
I've taught them.

Best wishes,
Linda




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