Cindy Snyder

Hi Kelly
How about yes to both. I am in SC and near Columbia! I am in Irmo and I am planning on coming to your house on Wednesday! What neighborhood are you in?
I am looking forward to meeting you guys. If you have an extra copy I willl take it.
Cindy


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1a. Re: How do you "do" summer From: freepsgal
1b. Re: How do you "do" summer From: Michelle/Melbrig�a
2a. Re: Introduction From: Melissa
2b. Re: Introduction From: kbcdlovejo@...
2c. Re: Introduction From: Pamela Sorooshian
2d. Re: Introduction From: Joyce Fetteroll
2e. Re: Introduction From: Michelle/Melbrig�a
2f. Re: Introduction From: Michelle/Melbrig�a
2g. Transcripts was Re: Introduction From: squeakybiscuit
3a. Re: is it enough? From: kbcdlovejo@...
3b. Re: is it enough? From: Michelle/Melbrig�a
4a. Parenting a Free Child; An Unschooled Life From: Cindy Snyder
4b. Re: Parenting a Free Child; An Unschooled Life From: Pamela Sorooshian
4c. Re: Parenting a Free Child; An Unschooled Life From: Leslie530@...
4d. Re: Parenting a Free Child; An Unschooled Life From: kbcdlovejo@...
5a. Re: what it takes to unschool From: Malinda Mills
5b. Re: what it takes to unschool From: Tina
5c. Re: what it takes to unschool From: Lesa McMahon-Lowe
6. Re: Quail Eggs From: Tina Layne
7. Re: Is it enough? From: Michelle/Melbrig�a
8. Re: high school sports From: Lesa McMahon-Lowe
9. Re: Cursive/Signatures From: Lesa McMahon-Lowe
10a. Re: surnames, languages, etc... From: Lesa McMahon-Lowe
10b. Re: surnames, languages, etc... From: Melissa
11. How do you "do" summer? From: Ren Allen
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1a. Re: How do you "do" summer
Posted by: "freepsgal" freepsgal@... freepsgal
Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:25 pm (PST)
Hi Barbara,

A belated welcome to the list. I've been crazy busy this past week
with VBS at church and just haven't been online much which has felt
very strange for me! :)

We don't DO summer anymore than we DO any other traditional school
break. Life doesn't stop during the summer. We live and learn
every day of every year during our entire lifetime. The whole point
of unschooling is to learn to step away from the nonsensical method
of viewing learning as being able to happen only in certain places
(i.e. classrooms, labs, etc.) or at certain times (from Sept to May,
Monday through Friday, 8am to 3pm).

The one thing I see most newbies to unschooling misunderstand is
that life and learning happen without us pointing it out to one
another, whether to our spouses, friends, children, or whoever. New
unschoolers expect their children to choose to do schoolish things
like work through a Math textbook, study a certain time period in
History perhaps through reading regular books, set up a Science
experiment, etc. It truly helps to focus YOUR thinking away from
schoolish things. All the things we do in life can be categorized
in some manner if you speak educationlese, but one wonders WHY you
need to do that? For example, when you prepare your grocery list
and complete your shopping, do you award yourself a grade or some
other form of external reward for doing something in Home
Economics? Do you consider your Math lessons done for the day when
you balance your checkbook? Adults do not, normally, separate
everything into subjects but we sure expect that of our children.

When I first started unschooling, I had to genuinely believe that it
was OKAY that my children may never, never do anything that looks
like schoolwork. Over time, I've become so excited by that fact
that I now take a double-look when I do see them choosing something
that looks like schoolwork! *lol*

I may repeat this alot and it's also for my sake, but I think
the 'unschooling' term is more for us parents trying to let go. I
don't think of my kids as unschooling because they aren't trying to
undo anything. Instead, they are living life... actually WE are
living together and that encompasses so very much if you truly stop
and marvel at it.

Beth M.


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1b. Re: How do you "do" summer
Posted by: "Michelle/Melbrig�a" pamperedmichelle@... scrapgal
Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:10 am (PST)
On 6/10/06, Barbara Miller <BarbMiller@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the welcome, Jann. I did think of one question - I'm sure I will
> have more. With the unschooling philosophy of your children pursuing what
> interests them, i.e. making learning and doing a natural part of life, along
> with working at their own pace, how do you do your summer break? Or, how do
> you stop "school" for the summer?
>

Summers look just like winters but it's hot. (At least here in
Florida LOL!) Depending on your neighborhood or your children's
relationships with schooled children, there might be more kids at your
house in the summer than the winter on more days than in the summer
than the winter. If you "stop unschooling" for the summer then it
would mean you would be schooling during the summer.

--
Michelle
aka Melbrig�a
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2a. Re: Introduction
Posted by: "Melissa" autismhelp@... multimomma
Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:34 pm (PST)
Hi, welcome to the list. I'm relatively new to this, but wanted to
share something. Rachel, my six yo, came up to me last week with a
puzzled look on her face. I asked her what was going on (I was
kneading dough at the time), and she looked up at me and said
"Multiplying things is figuring out how much groups of numbers equal,
right?" I thought I knew where she was going with this, but I asked
her to clarify. "Well, if you have nine of something, then that's
nine times one", I affirmed this and she continued. "So, if you
wanted to do nine times two, it would be eighteen, right?" Yup. "But
if you said nine times zero, it would mean you had nothing!". Yep,
you're right again. "But I'll bet nine times infinity is still
infinity." Holy cow child!

She doesn't need to memorize anything. It came to her, on her own,
while she was counting ants in the backyard. Something I had to be
taught in animal behavior was to estimate herds and flock numbers by
counting by groups. She figured it out on her own. College is
overrated. College prep is doubly so. You're eight year old will do
the math she needs. Math isn't hard. Nothing truly is until you are
told that it is (or unless you are forced to learn it when you're not
ready), and you're own baggage makes it difficult at that point.

My four year old is learning how to read. i haven't taught him. He
started by wanting to find his sports bottle in the cabinet. He finds
S-A-M. Then it moved to reading the bionicles gameboy game, he needed
to know which defense to use. I have never taught him ABC's or
phonics or even Dolce sight words. but he can read....

People are talking about trust. I know you probably feel attacked
right now, but don't take it personally. Take it as genuine concern
for your family, and try to be open minded about listening. Trust
opens up the world, suspicion closes minds.

Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose

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On Jun 10, 2006, at 9:49 AM, squeakybiscuit wrote:
>
> I am hesitant because I'm not sure you can go to college successfully
> with unschooling. Also, I can't see my 8 year old memorizing
> addition/subtraction facts of her own free will.
>
> I think about doing it, because I see how much they learn when it is
> entirely on their own, of their own free will.
>
> .
>
>

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2b. Re: Introduction
Posted by: "kbcdlovejo@..." kbcdlovejo@... kellyinsc
Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:55 pm (PST)

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Miller <BarbMiller@...>

I have been interested in "delight-directed" homeschooling which I
tried to
incorporate a little last year without much success. The thought of
going
all out and trying unschooling intrigues me, but I am a researcher
first.
Hence joining this list. :-) I look forward to learning from you and
hearing more about how unschooling works as I'm only about halfway
through
The Teenage Liberation Handbook.

-=-=-==-

For your research:

http://www.sandradodd.com/unschooling

http://home.earthlink.net/~fetteroll/rejoycing/

Life Learning magazine
Live Free Learn Free magazine
Connections---online e-zine

All John Holt's books
John Taylor Gatto's The Underground History of American Education
and Dumbing Us Down
Mary Griffith's The Unschooling Handbook

Frank Smith's The Book of Learning and Forgetting

Valerie Fitzenreiter's The Unprocessed Child
Sandra Dodd's Moving a Puddle
Rue Kream's Parenting a Free Child, An Unschooled Life

Live and Learn Unschooling Conference: September 6-10, 2006,
Albuquerque, NM
http://www.LiveandLearnConference.org

-=-=-=-=-

I see she has suggestions later in the book
on how to start unschooling with various subjects).

-=-=-=-

Dump the "subjects"---in the real world, life is not divided into
subjects. Everything is connected and interconnected. Math is music is
history is physics is art is chemistry is language is ...fun!

~Kelly

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2c. Re: Introduction
Posted by: "Pamela Sorooshian" pamsoroosh@... psoroosh
Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:24 pm (PST)

On Jun 10, 2006, at 5:18 PM, Melissa wrote:

> She doesn't need to memorize anything. It came to her, on her own,
> while she was counting ants in the backyard. Something I had to be
> taught in animal behavior was to estimate herds and flock numbers by
> counting by groups. She figured it out on her own. College is
> overrated. College prep is doubly so. You're eight year old will do
> the math she needs. Math isn't hard. Nothing truly is until you are
> told that it is (or unless you are forced to learn it when you're not
> ready), and you're own baggage makes it difficult at that point.

AND - lots of times we will not be so lucky as Melissa was - we won't
be let in on the fact that specific learning has happened.

Another thing new unschoolers have to learn is not to constantly be
worrying about what the kids are learning - especially not to quiz
them. (It is okay to be silently in awe of the whole amazing
process.) We have to trust our kids to grow and learn, just like we
trust seeds to grow into plants and trust plants to grow and blossom.
Quizzing the kids is like digging up seeds to see if they've sprouted
or pulling up plants to see if the roots are growing. Bad idea -
stunts growth.

-pam

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2d. Re: Introduction
Posted by: "Joyce Fetteroll" fetteroll@... jfetteroll
Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:54 am (PST)

On Jun 10, 2006, at 10:49 AM, squeakybiscuit wrote:

> I am hesitant because I'm not sure you can go to college successfully
> with unschooling.

It helps a lot not to see high school as preparation for college but
to see college as *a* way to pursue a particular interest.

So for unschoolers college is just a way to continue to pursue
interests and the best way to prepare is ... by pursuing interestst!

Transcripts for college from unschooled kids don't look like
transcripts from high school kids. Applications willlook more like
what colleges get from adult applicants, instead of lists of subjects
theirs will be full of life :-)

Joyce

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Posted by: "Michelle/Melbrig�a" pamperedmichelle@... scrapgal
Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:29 am (PST)
On 6/9/06, Barbara Miller <BarbMiller@...> wrote:
> The thought of going
> all out and trying unschooling intrigues me, but I am a researcher first.
> Hence joining this list. :-) I look forward to learning from you and
> hearing more about how unschooling works ...

Well, if you are a researcher then that is an interest of yours.
Researching is very "unschooly" to me if it is based on what you want
to learn. YOU want to learn about unschooling so you are surrounding
yourself with information about unschooling. You have bought a book,
joined a webgroup, looked things up on the ineternet, joined in
discussions, and are immersing yourself in that interest.

The first step you are going to have to do before your children can
get to that point is to deschool. Even though you have homeschooled
all their lives, you have still have very schoolish ways of doing
things. Your children are going to have to learn to trust that you
are going to let them delve (like you are doing) all the subjects that
interest them. That's *all* the subjects, just not the schoolish
looking subjects. There are *some* children who will do the same with
math or reading or geography or science or social studies, but it
won't look like school - it will look a lot like them pursuing their
interests. Just like you are doing with learning about unschooling.

--
Michelle
aka Melbrig�a
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2f. Re: Introduction
Posted by: "Michelle/Melbrig�a" pamperedmichelle@... scrapgal
Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:42 am (PST)
On 6/10/06, Melissa <autismhelp@...> wrote:
"Well, if you have nine of something, then that's
> nine times one", I affirmed this and she continued. "So, if you
> wanted to do nine times two, it would be eighteen, right?" Yup. "But
> if you said nine times zero, it would mean you had nothing!". Yep,
> you're right again. "But I'll bet nine times infinity is still
> infinity." Holy cow child!
>

Don't you just love it when their thought processes make YOUR head
spin? ROFL! I LOVE it! My children's understanding of math is light
years ahead of my own!

--
Michelle
aka Melbrig�a
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2g. Transcripts was Re: Introduction
Posted by: "squeakybiscuit" squeakybiscuit@... squeakybiscuit
Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:42 am (PST)
--- In [email protected], Joyce Fetteroll
<fetteroll@...> wrote:
>
>
> Transcripts for college from unschooled kids don't look like
> transcripts from high school kids. Applications willlook more like
> what colleges get from adult applicants, instead of lists of
subjects
> theirs will be full of life :-)
>
> Joyce
>
>

IS there anywhere to see what sample transcripts from an unschooler
might look like?


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3a. Re: is it enough?
Posted by: "kbcdlovejo@..." kbcdlovejo@... kellyinsc
Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:53 pm (PST)

-----Original Message-----
From: squeakybiscuit <squeakybiscuit@...>

What is they refuse to do any learning at all? My 12 year old is
like this. He won't do anything that he might accidently learn
something from.

-=-=-=-=-

That's because he's once bitten, twice shy. He's avoiding learning
because it's painful or boring or senseless. To *him*---that's all that
matters. Not your feelings---HIS.

-=-=-=-=-=-

Example:
I thought he might like to cut up dead animals. I seriously thought
he would enjoy it. So I offered to get him a dissection starter kit
that came with all the tools you need, plus pig, rat, worms,
starfish, about 9 specimens.

-=-=-=-=

Too schooly. Road kill might've appealed to him more. Seriously.

-=-=-=-=-

He thought it was a cool idea at first,
but then after he thought about it said no because "He might learn
something". His words, not mine. I said it would be fun. He agreed
but said "It's biology"

--=-=-=-

That's because you've "taught" him that it is. It's really just cutting
up dead animals. You can write "biology" down in your documentation for
whatever things you have to provide to the state. But when dealing with
your son, lose the school terminology. (It's best to do hat in your own
head, as well, but one step at a time.)

-=-=-=-

As soon as he gets an idea that he might learn something about a
topic, he backs off.

-=-=-=-

Because you've taught him that lesson.

-=-=-=-=-

He won't read any books or watch any documentaries--even about
topics that he is interested in.

-=-=-=-=-

Because you've taught him that lesson.

-=-=-=-

It seems like the only learning I can get him to do is forced
learning.

-=-=-=-

There's no such thing. Oxymoron.

-=-=-=-=-

He used to be the complete opposite. He used to read the dictionary
for fun. But he went to school from k-2 and ever since won't do
anything that he might learn something from unless I make him.

-=-=-=-=-

Can you possibly imagine what that could have been to make him hate
learning so much?

Happened to my son too. After eight years of school, he said he would
never read again. The damage was that severe.

He's healed now. Carries a book everywhere he goes now.

There aren't eough hours in the day for all he wants to learn. He needs
two of himself.

-=-=-=-=-

He seems to be rebelling against education. I don't know what to do
to spark interests in him strong enough for him to pursue.

-=-=-=-

Well, you could push more "forced learning" on him. How's that been
working for you?

-=-=-=-=-

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

-=-=-=-=-

Are you willing to take it?

~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
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matter how hard we try, we can't deliberately forget something we have
learned, and that is catastrophic if we learn that we can't learn."
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Posted by: "Michelle/Melbrig�a" pamperedmichelle@... scrapgal
Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:18 am (PST)
On 6/10/06, squeakybiscuit <squeakybiscuit@...> wrote:

> Example:
> I thought he might like to cut up dead animals. I seriously thought
> he would enjoy it. So I offered to get him a dissection starter kit
> that came with all the tools you need, plus pig, rat, worms,
> starfish, about 9 specimens. He thought it was a cool idea at first,
> but then after he thought about it said no because "He might learn
> something". His words, not mine. I said it would be fun. He agreed
> but said "It's biology"
>
> As soon as he gets an idea that he might learn something about a
> topic, he backs off.
>

I'm not saying this to be mean or judgemental. BACK OFF. Seriously,
you have given him the seed that this is a possibility. Later he
might come to you and say, "Remember that dissection kit you offered?
Is that still available?" But he will do it when he has gained your
trust that he can do it for his own exploration not out of something
that YOU want him to learn. You need to gain that trust from him.
Shoving things at him because you are afraid he isn't *learning* is
never going to gain his trust that he can explore his world without
you getting all involved in making it a teaching experience. You have
shown him again and again your fears. You don't trust him to learn so
why should he trust that you aren't going to teach? You both need a
period where you can learn to trust from each other and it isn't going
to happen by continuing to feed him information. It's going to happen
by you backing off, watching him and being involved in his lead.

--
Michelle
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4a. Parenting a Free Child; An Unschooled Life
Posted by: "Cindy Snyder" cindy.snyder@... hdwolfwoman
Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:09 pm (PST)
I would like to get this book. Checked Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
Neither have it. Where can I get it?
Thanks

Cindy Snyder
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4b. Re: Parenting a Free Child; An Unschooled Life
Posted by: "Pamela Sorooshian" pamsoroosh@... psoroosh
Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:29 pm (PST)
Order here:

<http://www.freechild.info/>

Here is a review:

<http://www.naturalchild.com/site_of_the_month/
parenting_free_child.html>

-pam

On Jun 10, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Cindy Snyder wrote:

> I would like to get this book. Checked Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
> Neither have it. Where can I get it?
> Thanks

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Posted by: "Leslie530@..." Leslie530@... lescather
Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:07 am (PST)
Cindy, you can probably get a copy directly from Kelly in Columbia.

Leslie in SC

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Posted by: "kbcdlovejo@..." kbcdlovejo@... kellyinsc
Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:44 am (PST)

-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie530@...

Cindy, you can probably get a copy directly from Kelly in Columbia.

-=-=-

Is CIndy in Columbia? Or SC?

Is she coming to my house on Wednesday? Unschoolers' Pool Party and
Potluck! Anybody's welcome!

I do think I have a few more copies of Rue's book. Maybe. I need to go
check.

But you can always get them from the author: Rue Kream

~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
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5a. Re: what it takes to unschool
Posted by: "Malinda Mills" saprswife@... saprswife
Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:16 pm (PST)
<<My dh is in the Air Force and is very
knowledgeable about weapons. He likes to play shooter games on the
computer or be an assassin in games & stuff like that. He's not a
violent person at all. >>

This sounds so much like my husband who is in the Army. He also happens to be a demolitions expert (he's a Combat Engineer). Right now he is teaching Iraqi soldiers how to detect and defuse IEDs (improvised explosive devices). He's probably the most levelheaded and sincere person I've ever met. He's also not violent at all. But, boy, does he love his demolitions! He's like a really big kid when he starts talking about his job...he gets that twinkle in his eye, and his face just lights up. The sign of someone who is passionate about his job.

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5b. Re: what it takes to unschool
Posted by: "Tina" zoocrew@... tina010871
Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:16 pm (PST)
Just chiming in on this topic of bombs and weapons interest in
relationship to a young man. Our first five were girls...the last
two boys. What a WORLD of difference. They truely are from
Mars! :-)

Our oldest boy, Andrew, is 14, and he has wanted to go into the
military ever since he was five-years-old. He loves everything guns
and knives. He loves to explore martial arts. He thinks the idea
of killing a squirrel or a bird is a-okay, and in the right instance
maybe even funny. Andrew is also a natural shot and great hunter.
He views violence in war as necessary and acceptable. On the flip
side he is excellent with young children, extremely helpful,
compassionate, a good writer and a wonderful artist who wouldn't
hurt anyone.

Our youngest boy, Adrian, is 12, and he loves "violent" video games,
b.b. guns, South Park, Joe Cartoon and looks forward to joining Pat
and Andrew for his first hunt this fall even though he's a
vegetarian. On the flip side he is thoughtful, knowledgable about
small animals and history, has extreme polital views and interests
and is also good with young children. He would never hurt anyone
and thinks senseless killing is, well, senseless.

I think that our boys can come as a shock to us moms at times.
There were times that Adrian's "dark side" made me raise an eyebrow
here and there, but I just paid close attention to him. I listened
more and got as in tune with him as I possibly could. From my
experience it seems that boys, maybe not all of them...but at least
some of them, go through a real "snakes and snails" phase. They are
SO different than girls, and I'm a girl. So, I don't get A LOT
about them. When it comes to this I am VERY grateful that my
husband is around. I also try to read about boys specifically. It
really does help.

I also try to be VERY, VERY open to them. They talk about
disgusting stuff that involves bodily fluids, bodily sounds and
natural urges. They talk about killing and hurting and like
aggressive things. That's not my bag, but I do talk and laugh with
them. If something REALLY grosses me out, or I just can't handle
the way they are talking, I will comment something to the tune
of, "Okay, ladies are present." or, "Mom's REALLY don't NEED to know
that!" This is always with a smile, and they tend to laugh, but
they do back it off a bit to respect my poor, little brain.

I don't know if I'll ever "get" boys, but I do know we have
excellent relationships with eachother. It didn't start this way,
but it became open and wonderful by one means. Someone else
mentioned it earlier, *I* changed, not them. It is SO true that
your behavior will change your children. Openness is ESSENTIAL for
a mom to have a successful relationship with her son...not that it
isn't essential for other things too, we just happen to be talking
about boys right now.

Just my two-cents worth...

Tina


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5c. Re: what it takes to unschool
Posted by: "Lesa McMahon-Lowe" lesajm@... lesamlowe
Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:19 am (PST)
>>> Stephen King wouldn't count---that's just fluff.<<<

Fiddlesticks! King... only one of the most brilliant minds of our time! IMO

Anyone who says Stephen King is just fluff hasn't read him! Who's saying
this? I want to talk to them! lol :)

Lesa McMahon
http://lifeacademy.homeschooljournal.net
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6. Re: Quail Eggs
Posted by: "Tina Layne" tinalayne@... tinalayne
Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:46 pm (PST)
The site also offered the incubator without the eggs. This is great for my family since Hawaii doesn't allow many types of animals to be introduced. We're going to contact some farmers that offer chicken eggs and hatch them- then give the chicks back to the farmer. That might be an idea for anyone without the ability to keep the quail.

Tina

D Smith <sandshuse@...> wrote:
That is such a cool deal! It says on their site not to
release them in the wild. lol. I would just think it's
cruel to release them. Although we have quail in our
yard everyday. Right now, they are raising little
chicks. They grow so fast. I would love to do it. We
just don't have the room, that's something more to
consider than price, imo. I'd love to hear about it if
you do it.

Danie

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7. Re: Is it enough?
Posted by: "Michelle/Melbrig�a" pamperedmichelle@... scrapgal
Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:01 am (PST)
On 6/10/06, squeakybiscuit <squeakybiscuit@...> wrote:
>
> Mostly if left to his own he plays xbox live and chats with friend
> on instant messenger. He reads on the web about poisons and drugs
> and bomb-making because he does mention it to me ("did you know you
> could make a poison out of castor beans?", he says stuff like that
> to me all the time)

Who knows? Maybe one day instead of reading up on how to create
poisons from castor beans he will find a way to create antidotes to
poisons from castor beans.

>
> He watches movies on Comedy Central, mostly comedies. He watches
> South Park and Family Guy.

Does one need drama to be "well rounded?" Is "well roundedness" the
goal? What's wrong with wanting to laugh in life? And you did say
*mostly* comedies which means he is watching other things as well.

>
> I really don't see him learning anything schoolish from it. I admit,
> I have a strong need for his learning to be schoolish topics even if
> obtained by unschoolish ways.

Why does it have to be schoolish? This is all about *your* need, not
*his* need. And the sentence is an oxymoron if you think about it.
If he is unschooling nothing he does is going to look "schoolish" He
may learn some facts and figures that would be taught in school, but
they aren't going to look schoolish at all. And how do you know he is
learning nothing that is "schoolish" by watching comedies and South
Park. I think South Park has some pretty interesting concepts that
can open up some great discussions. Do you watch these shows with
him?

>
> I don't see how any of this will prepare him for a career or college
> someday.
>

Is college *his* goal or your goal for him? And as young as he is he
has no idea what his career will be or if he will want or need to go
to college to get there.

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aka Melbrig�a
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8. Re: high school sports
Posted by: "Lesa McMahon-Lowe" lesajm@... lesamlowe
Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:42 am (PST)
>>>Has anyone had luck with their kids playing sports at the local high
school as homeschoolers? I am in California and the school is adament that
my kids can't....but why? I have contacted the CIF and they say no too. I
wonder if anyone has taken this to court?<<<

the school can so NO. that's their right. it's up to each individual
school.

if I were you, I'd try to find other ways to do the sports your kids want to
do. try the park district or local gyms.

Lesa
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9. Re: Cursive/Signatures
Posted by: "Lesa McMahon-Lowe" lesajm@... lesamlowe
Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:12 am (PST)
>>> I think when signature is required it has to be in cursive. <<<

I just think that's society's conditioning! I don't find that to be the
truth but just what we know or what is expected now.

Lesa
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10a. Re: surnames, languages, etc...
Posted by: "Lesa McMahon-Lowe" lesajm@... lesamlowe
Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:25 am (PST)
Lesa, I am Irish, too (well, my ancestors were). (hey, other Lesa
*rhavensunflower* -the one moving to FL- what's your lineage?)

Has anyone gotten so into their surname that they traced their heritage back
a ways? Have any of you decided to learn your ancestors native tongue?

Lesa McMahon
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"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth."
-John F. Kennedy

-------Original Message-------

From: Lesa ODaniel
Date: 06/09/06 01:06:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [unschoolingbasics] Re: Anyone in Florida?

Oh, that's funny, I thought that you were the one in Arkansas moving to FL!
I'm out in Los Angeles - used to live in Ohio and then NY City for several
years. Looks like 3 Lesas with Es so far... How strange... are you all
Irish, too?



Lesa O'Daniel, AAHCC
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10b. Re: surnames, languages, etc...
Posted by: "Melissa" autismhelp@... multimomma
Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:48 am (PST)
My dad did....relatively easy since he's only third generation, he
went back to about 1750. But Swedish is harder than it looks...my
friend has a CD learning set she's going to give me after *she*
learns it (her son emigrated there, married a nice swede, and just
had baby number 2, she figures she'd better learn the language fast
so she can talk to the grandkids!)
There is also French and Welsh, but I like to say I'm honorary Irish
since I'm born on St Patricks day, and I love pretty much all things
Irish.
Melissa
Mom to Josh (11), Breanna (8), Emily (7), Rachel (6), Sam (4), Dan
(2), and Avari Rose

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11. How do you "do" summer?
Posted by: "Ren Allen" starsuncloud@... gruvystarchild
Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:51 am (PST)
"Summers look just like winters but it's hot. (At least here in
Florida LOL!) "

I just woke up this morning and someone had opened the bedroom window.
A cool breeze is blowing in...probably about 65 degrees outside right
now and I just thought "GAWD I'm glad we left P'cola!!":)

'Course there was marble-sized hail last night!!

Ren
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