Michelle/Melbrigða

On 6/8/06, barndogzzz@... <barndogzzz@...> wrote:
>> I know you wrote that for another person, but I would love it (and really
> appreciate it:o) if you, or anyone else out there, could point me in the right
> direction to state-level info. for unschooled kids to qualify for college and
> for financial aid. I am in Michigan.

It's not that there are provisions *for* unschooled kids, but just
reading the provisions for *all* college bound persons you will see
where you don't need a formal education to qualify for financial aid.
If you google "michigan financial aid" you will get several hits
including:
http://www.michigan.gov/mistudentaid/0,1607,7-128-38193_39940-131101--,00.html
which doesn't have anything about educational requirements. To
actually gain the aid you must be accepted to a college or other
qualified program of study.


--
Michelle
aka Melbrigða
http://eventualknitting.blogspot.com
[email protected] - Homeschooling for the Medieval Recreationist

[email protected]

Oh, I didn't think there were *provisions* for *unschooled kids!* Our 12 yo
was questioning me recently about her fears that she "Might not be able to get
into colleges without a diploma or equivalent." She is very much wanting to
get into something within the field of forensics and she's got college on her
brain. I just wanted to find a few resources to ease her fears a bit.

Thanks for the info. on the subject!

Nancy


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Pamela Sorooshian

She's really too young to be worrying about it - so you might be
better off just reassuring her that lots of unschooled kids choose,
later, to go to college IF it is what they want to do.

But in a few years, if she's a real gung-ho "I want to go to college
next year" kind of kid - then you might look at college extension
courses and community college courses.

There are a number of ways unschooled kids can get into college -
I've known kids who have:

1. Had really interesting and relevant life experiences that
impressed admissions officers enough to let him/her in without the
academic background usually expected
2. Written a fantastic essay that caught the admission officer's
attention, got the applicant an interview in which he wowed the
admissions people enough to let him in, again without any real
academic background.
3. Scored super high on the SAT and SAT2 exams - high enough to get
in without having to meet any course/grade requirements.
4. Took a smattering of community college or university extension
courses - enough to convince the admissions people that the applicant
was capable of doing really well in college work.
5. Took (usually over a period of more than 2 years) community
college work that qualified the applicant to transfer to a university
as a junior, with all his/her general education requirements already
completed. When they do this, nobody cares about high school anymore
- since they've got a couple of years of college, that's what the
college looks at.

Transcripts can be very different from what people usually think -
they can include anything you think might be relevant and are not
just a list of courses and grades (although for a college application
it is useful to have some courses with a non-parent giving grades -
but you don't have to WORRY about that until the child IS very close
to college age).

-pam

On Jun 8, 2006, at 7:20 AM, barndogzzz@... wrote:

> Oh, I didn't think there were *provisions* for *unschooled kids!*
> Our 12 yo
> was questioning me recently about her fears that she "Might not be
> able to get
> into colleges without a diploma or equivalent." She is very much
> wanting to
> get into something within the field of forensics and she's got
> college on her
> brain. I just wanted to find a few resources to ease her fears a bit.

Unschooling shirts, cups, bumper stickers, bags...
Live Love Learn
UNSCHOOL!
<http://www.cafepress.com/livelovelearn>





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Thanks Pam for the info. She is really too young to be worrying about college
- it's probably coming from her best friend who is homeschooled with a strict
curriculum. That and I think she's been thinking about trying to do some sort
of college extension/community college type courses as you mentioned when she
is old enough. An unschooling family friend of ours has a son who is 16 and
was taking some classes at a community college recently so that's got her all
fired up about it also. I told her if he can do it, so can you so not to worry.

Thanks again,
Nancy


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[email protected]

-----Original Message-----
From: barndogzzz@...
Oh, I didn't think there were *provisions* for *unschooled kids!* Our
12 yo
was questioning me recently about her fears that she "Might not be
able to get
into colleges without a diploma or equivalent." She is very much
wanting to
get into something within the field of forensics and she's got college
on her
brain. I just wanted to find a few resources to ease her fears a bit.

Thanks for the info. on the subject!

-=-=-

Many colleges have provisions for *homeschooled* students. Unschoolers
fall under that heading. Most would fall under the "alternatively
educated" section.

In SC, I can make a diploma for Cameron, if he were to ever need one.

There are LOTS of books on forensics.

She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses she
*plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos, notebooks.

Spend some time volunteering at a vet's or---better! at a vet school.

Get her a really good microscope---the best you can afford.

Get to know your local coroner---maybe interview him for a
newspaper/magazine article. Then invite him for supper! <g>

Visit websites.

THEN: put together an *awesome* portfolio on the subject to submit as
her "transcript" to a good forensic college. And don't go to the
admissions office: go to the head of the forensic department. Wow them
with her knowledge, initiative, and passion.

This goes for whatever a child's passion is. LIVE that passion.
Colleges eat that up!


~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org

"The hardest problem for the brain is not learning, but forgetting. No
matter how hard we try, we can't deliberately forget something we have
learned, and that is catastrophic if we learn that we can't learn."
~Frank Smith


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squeakybiscuit

"She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses she
*plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos,
notebooks."


My kids would be fascinated with this--but where on earth do you get
a chicken carcass in the suburbs?






--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: barndogzzz@...
> Oh, I didn't think there were *provisions* for *unschooled kids!
* Our
> 12 yo
> was questioning me recently about her fears that she "Might not
be
> able to get
> into colleges without a diploma or equivalent." She is very much
> wanting to
> get into something within the field of forensics and she's got
college
> on her
> brain. I just wanted to find a few resources to ease her fears a
bit.
>
> Thanks for the info. on the subject!
>
> -=-=-
>
> Many colleges have provisions for *homeschooled* students.
Unschoolers
> fall under that heading. Most would fall under the "alternatively
> educated" section.
>
> In SC, I can make a diploma for Cameron, if he were to ever need
one.
>
> There are LOTS of books on forensics.
>
> She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses
she
> *plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
> down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos,
notebooks.
>
> Spend some time volunteering at a vet's or---better! at a vet
school.
>
> Get her a really good microscope---the best you can afford.
>
> Get to know your local coroner---maybe interview him for a
> newspaper/magazine article. Then invite him for supper! <g>
>
> Visit websites.
>
> THEN: put together an *awesome* portfolio on the subject to
submit as
> her "transcript" to a good forensic college. And don't go to the
> admissions office: go to the head of the forensic department. Wow
them
> with her knowledge, initiative, and passion.
>
> This goes for whatever a child's passion is. LIVE that passion.
> Colleges eat that up!
>
>
> ~Kelly
>
> Kelly Lovejoy
> Conference Coordinator
> Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> http://liveandlearnconference.org
>
> "The hardest problem for the brain is not learning, but
forgetting. No
> matter how hard we try, we can't deliberately forget something we
have
> learned, and that is catastrophic if we learn that we can't
learn."
> ~Frank Smith
>
>
>
_____________________________________________________________________
___
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>

April Morris

The butcher? Or a 4-H club? Both would work here in the suburbs of Detroit.
Here is a site my son and I have looked at:
http://www.courttv.com/forensics_curriculum/
He and some friends want to do a modified version of some of these, minus
the worksheet stuff. Using the experiments and the story and the forensic
documentation.
--
~April
Mom to Kate-19, Lisa-17, Karl-15, & Ben-10.
*REACH Homeschool Grp, an inclusive group in Oakland County
http://www.reachhomeschool.com
* Michigan Unschoolers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michigan_unschoolers/
*Check out Chuck's art www.artkunst23.com
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
Gandalf the Grey

On 6/8/06, squeakybiscuit <squeakybiscuit@...> wrote:
>
> "She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses she
> *plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
> down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos,
> notebooks."
>
> My kids would be fascinated with this--but where on earth do you get
> a chicken carcass in the suburbs?
>
> --- In [email protected]<unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>,
> kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: barndogzzz@...
> > Oh, I didn't think there were *provisions* for *unschooled kids!
> * Our
> > 12 yo
> > was questioning me recently about her fears that she "Might not
> be
> > able to get
> > into colleges without a diploma or equivalent." She is very much
> > wanting to
> > get into something within the field of forensics and she's got
> college
> > on her
> > brain. I just wanted to find a few resources to ease her fears a
> bit.
> >
> > Thanks for the info. on the subject!
> >
> > -=-=-
> >
> > Many colleges have provisions for *homeschooled* students.
> Unschoolers
> > fall under that heading. Most would fall under the "alternatively
> > educated" section.
> >
> > In SC, I can make a diploma for Cameron, if he were to ever need
> one.
> >
> > There are LOTS of books on forensics.
> >
> > She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses
> she
> > *plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
> > down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos,
> notebooks.
> >
> > Spend some time volunteering at a vet's or---better! at a vet
> school.
> >
> > Get her a really good microscope---the best you can afford.
> >
> > Get to know your local coroner---maybe interview him for a
> > newspaper/magazine article. Then invite him for supper! <g>
> >
> > Visit websites.
> >
> > THEN: put together an *awesome* portfolio on the subject to
> submit as
> > her "transcript" to a good forensic college. And don't go to the
> > admissions office: go to the head of the forensic department. Wow
> them
> > with her knowledge, initiative, and passion.
> >
> > This goes for whatever a child's passion is. LIVE that passion.
> > Colleges eat that up!
> >
> >
> > ~Kelly
> >
> > Kelly Lovejoy
> > Conference Coordinator
> > Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> > http://liveandlearnconference.org
> >
> > "The hardest problem for the brain is not learning, but
> forgetting. No
> > matter how hard we try, we can't deliberately forget something we
> have
> > learned, and that is catastrophic if we learn that we can't
> learn."
> > ~Frank Smith
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________
> ___
> > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures,
> email
> > and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> >
>
>
>


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Michelle/Melbrigða

On 6/8/06, squeakybiscuit <squeakybiscuit@...> wrote:
>
> "She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses she
> *plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
> down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos,
> notebooks."
>
> My kids would be fascinated with this--but where on earth do you get
> a chicken carcass in the suburbs?

Look for a kosher or fresh meat butcher. Sometimes they even have
heads for sale although that is a bit gross to me. I can't imagine
saying, "Hey kids, let's go burry a pig's head and see what happens.
My neighbors would surely call the cops on me then ROFLOL!!!! And if
a chicken carcass isn't available you could always try something
smaller like a mouse or frog or go hunting for road kill.


--
Michelle
aka Melbrigða
http://eventualknitting.blogspot.com
[email protected] - Homeschooling for the Medieval Recreationist

squeaky biscuit

Thanks. What a cool idea. I think we are going to photograph it and put up a
"decomposition" website.


Erin


On 6/8/06, April Morris <klkb624@...> wrote:
>
> The butcher? Or a 4-H club? Both would work here in the suburbs of
> Detroit.
> Here is a site my son and I have looked at:
> http://www.courttv.com/forensics_curriculum/
> He and some friends want to do a modified version of some of these, minus
> the worksheet stuff. Using the experiments and the story and the forensic
> documentation.
> --
> ~April
> Mom to Kate-19, Lisa-17, Karl-15, & Ben-10.
> *REACH Homeschool Grp, an inclusive group in Oakland County
> http://www.reachhomeschool.com
> * Michigan Unschoolers
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michigan_unschoolers/
> *Check out Chuck's art www.artkunst23.com
> "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
> Gandalf the Grey
>
>
> On 6/8/06, squeakybiscuit <squeakybiscuit@...<squeakybiscuit%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > "She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses she
> > *plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
> > down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos,
> > notebooks."
> >
> > My kids would be fascinated with this--but where on earth do you get
> > a chicken carcass in the suburbs?
> >
> > --- In [email protected]<unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>
> <unschoolingbasics%40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: barndogzzz@...
> > > Oh, I didn't think there were *provisions* for *unschooled kids!
> > * Our
> > > 12 yo
> > > was questioning me recently about her fears that she "Might not
> > be
> > > able to get
> > > into colleges without a diploma or equivalent." She is very much
> > > wanting to
> > > get into something within the field of forensics and she's got
> > college
> > > on her
> > > brain. I just wanted to find a few resources to ease her fears a
> > bit.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info. on the subject!
> > >
> > > -=-=-
> > >
> > > Many colleges have provisions for *homeschooled* students.
> > Unschoolers
> > > fall under that heading. Most would fall under the "alternatively
> > > educated" section.
> > >
> > > In SC, I can make a diploma for Cameron, if he were to ever need
> > one.
> > >
> > > There are LOTS of books on forensics.
> > >
> > > She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses
> > she
> > > *plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
> > > down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos,
> > notebooks.
> > >
> > > Spend some time volunteering at a vet's or---better! at a vet
> > school.
> > >
> > > Get her a really good microscope---the best you can afford.
> > >
> > > Get to know your local coroner---maybe interview him for a
> > > newspaper/magazine article. Then invite him for supper! <g>
> > >
> > > Visit websites.
> > >
> > > THEN: put together an *awesome* portfolio on the subject to
> > submit as
> > > her "transcript" to a good forensic college. And don't go to the
> > > admissions office: go to the head of the forensic department. Wow
> > them
> > > with her knowledge, initiative, and passion.
> > >
> > > This goes for whatever a child's passion is. LIVE that passion.
> > > Colleges eat that up!
> > >
> > >
> > > ~Kelly
> > >
> > > Kelly Lovejoy
> > > Conference Coordinator
> > > Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
> > > http://liveandlearnconference.org
> > >
> > > "The hardest problem for the brain is not learning, but
> > forgetting. No
> > > matter how hard we try, we can't deliberately forget something we
> > have
> > > learned, and that is catastrophic if we learn that we can't
> > learn."
> > > ~Frank Smith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > ___
> > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures,
> > email
> > > and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
>
>


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Elissa Jill Cleaveland

My kids would be fascinated with this--but where on earth do you get
a chicken carcass in the suburbs?
***********
Ummmm.
Chicken Cacciatore
BBQ chicken
Chicken & dumplings
Chicken Noodle Soup
Roasted chicken and potatoes
(The last two involve cooking the whole chicken so that leaves a cooked carcass, not especially good for measuring rates of decomposition.)

Elissa Jill
A Kindersher saychel iz oychet a saychel.
"A Child's wisdom is also wisdom." ~Yiddish Proverb

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>Many colleges have provisions for *homeschooled* students.<

***That's sure nice to know!***

>In SC, I can make a diploma for Cameron, if he were to ever need one

***I think you can here in Mi. also***

>There are LOTS of books on forensics.<

**I think she's checked out just about every one of them at the library so
far! Guess her and I could check around on the internet for more.

>She could do some of her own experiments with chicken carcasses she
*plants* out in the fields/woods/ground. See how the tissues break
down. Do her own chicken necropsies. Keep records, photos, notebooks.<


***Oh my gosh! Now you're sounding like my dd! LOL! (I'm going to show her
your post! Great response btw!) Only on an unschooling list would you read this
sort of post and not think the kid and/or the parents were just plain weirdo's
or something! <grin>
We just had something come in our coop the other night and kill every one of
our chickens. She was angry (we liked those chickens a lot:o) but also
curious. (so, she's already got the chickens for her "chicken necropsies":o) We're
guessing that it was probably a raccoon since they just killed them and really
didn't eat them. (although I'm not exactly sure how he got in there) They can
be nasty little critters at times. We live out in the country and down the road
a bit is a place where there aren't any houses, last year some hunters threw
out a bunch of deer carcasses that they had butchered. She was sad for the
deer but fascinated with their skeletons etc. She asked me to pull over so we
could get out and take a look, what fun that was. That is definitely NOT my or my
other dd's idea of a good time! <g> But we humored her just the same. She
watches CSI with her Dad a lot, I get grossed out and my younger dd gets scared
so she finds something else to do while it's on.

>Get to know your local coroner---maybe interview him for a
newspaper/magazine article. Then invite him for supper! <g> <

***This one really cracked me up! I can't wait to show her this email! LOL!***

Thank you for all of the great ideas you have given me! She will love them
too!

:o) Nancy




















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[email protected]

>My kids would be fascinated with this--but where on earth do you get
a chicken carcass in the suburbs?

-=-=-=-

Glad to hear she isn't the only one out there! <g> Maybe you could find a
fresh road kill??? <grin>










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Look for a kosher or fresh meat butcher. Sometimes they even have
heads for sale although that is a bit gross to me. I can't imagine
saying, "Hey kids, let's go burry a pig's head and see what happens.
My neighbors would surely call the cops on me then ROFLOL!!!! And if
a chicken carcass isn't available you could always try something
smaller like a mouse or frog or go hunting for road kill.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

....Only with unschoolers! <g>

It all sounds gross to me too but somehow I ended up with a dd that loves
everything forensics! I always tell her she must have gotten that from her Dad
cuz it definitely didn't come from me! I am an animal lover big time and have
always hated seeing anything hurt, bloody or dead. We are all into guns, our
youngest and I love to shoot at targets though, NOT anything living! I think my
12 yo may even have the stomach for hunting someday. I was SO bummed about
that! I had to learn to shut my mouth a little bit on that topic. My dh is a
respectful, conscientious hunter and will teach her the same if she ends up
choosing to hunt like she has talked about. I still don't like it though.

Nancy





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That looks like a cool site April. I passed it on to my dd and we're going to
check it out this weekend.

Thanks!
Nancy


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-----Original Message-----
From: barndogzzz@...

Glad to hear she isn't the only one out there! <g> Maybe you could
find a
fresh road kill??? <grin>

-=-=-=-=-

Several years ago a mom came on a different list and complained that
she didn't know how her daughter could get into vet school by
unschooling---without the required math and science and such.

I suggested that she pick up road kill and dissect it. Keep photos and
records and journals and all.

She said her daughter could/would *NEVER* do that!

I figured she wasn't *that* serious about vet school then. <g>

There are sooo many ways around things simply by being creative and
thinking outside the box. Had this girl picked up every dead critter
she'd found on the road for four years and done a thorough dissection
and seriously and thoughtfully recorded it in detail, I doubt she would
have had any trouble getting accepted into the biology department of a
good college/university.

Oh! And can you imagine if she'd gotten the meat off and brains out of
the skulls and tried to "rebuild" them with clay? COOL!

But someone afraid to get her hands dirty? She wouldn't get a second
look in a pre-vet department!

As unschoolers, we *need* to think outside the box---WAAAAY outside!
Be creative!!!


~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org

"The hardest problem for the brain is not learning, but forgetting. No
matter how hard we try, we can't deliberately forget something we have
learned, and that is catastrophic if we learn that we can't learn."
~Frank Smith


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[email protected]

>I suggested that she pick up road kill and dissect it. Keep photos and
records and journals and all.

She said her daughter could/would *NEVER* do that!

I figured she wasn't *that* serious about vet school then. <g> <

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

You are right! I don't think she was that serious either!
When my Dad was in college he had to dissect a human brain. (chiropractic
med.) While there, the donor brain for one of the students wasn't handled
properly and when it was opened, it had rotted. My Dad said it was the WORST thing he
had ever SMELLED AND SEEN in his life! It made all them pretty ill. He said
the college made them cancel that class for the next three days to get rid of
the smell before they would let them continue. He told me he thought that was
ridiculous and was ready to go back the next day. He was looking forward to
that brain he had! What a sicko! There are times when you just have to want it
within every part of your being, guess for that girl, it just wasn't there.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

>I doubt she would have had any trouble getting accepted into the biology
department of a good college/university.Oh! And can you imagine if she'd gotten
the meat off and brains out of the skulls and tried to "rebuild" them with
clay? COOL!<

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

LOL! Oh yea, that college would have said "Ok, we've got a very serious woman
here for sure!"

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

>As unschoolers, we *need* to think outside the box---WAAAAY outside!
Be creative!!!<

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Well your suggestion to that wishful thinking girl and her Mom sure was!

I sent my dd your post about the chicken carcass and she LOVED it! She
laughed and then asked me "Who is this lady that wrote that? Does she live near us
and have kids my age?!" lol!


:o) Nancy












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-----Original Message-----
From: barndogzzz@...

I sent my dd your post about the chicken carcass and she LOVED it! She
laughed and then asked me "Who is this lady that wrote that? Does she
live near
us and have kids my age?!" lol!

-=-=-=-

Kelly Lovejoy

Columbia, SC. Two boys, 18 and ten.

And we're having an unschoolers' pool party this Wednesday! <g>


~Kelly

Kelly Lovejoy
Conference Coordinator
Live and Learn Unschooling Conference
http://liveandlearnconference.org

"The hardest problem for the brain is not learning, but forgetting. No
matter how hard we try, we can't deliberately forget something we have
learned, and that is catastrophic if we learn that we can't learn."
~Frank Smith

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In a message dated 6/11/2006 11:56:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:


> Kelly Lovejoy
>
> Columbia, SC. Two boys, 18 and ten.
>
> And we're having an unschoolers' pool party this Wednesday! <g>
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=

Awe, too bad! We're way up here in Mi.! My girls would love that! <g>

One ds, 21 and out enjoying life and 2 dd's, 11 and 12 1/2, here at home
making messes.
Sure wish we could make it to the Conference this year. Maybe next year!

Nancy


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