Re: [AlwaysLearning] This happy quiet little list...
Kimber
> I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that rampI settled with an insurance company this past February about an MVA with a diesel truck. They practically ran me off the interstate. I spent quite a while dealing with their insurance claims adjuster and I would be happy to answer any questions about my (headache of an) experience if that would be helpful.
> was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
> hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
> But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
> me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.
>
> Keith/dh would be thrilled if I could bring in some money to help pay off
> charge cards and recent important car repairs.
>
> If any of you feel like discussing that, I could use advice, and if nobody
> wants to talk about it that's probably even better.
Kimber
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I wanted to come and say THANKS for people being on this list and keeping the
quiet back room for unschoolers to come relax in when the "May I help you?"
customer service counter outside is bustling with noise and complaints.
Yesterday I stayed up too long (in the wheel chair is what I mean by "up"
these days), and then in the middle of the night I got up with just the
walker and helped Kirby get a set of maps and directions for his out of town
trip, so when I woke up at daylight and there was nobody awake to get me food
with which I could take my pills, I realized I had WAY overdone it, and it
had been nine hours since painkillers, and...
So I stayed in bed whimpering and dozing and waking up in pain and feeling
sorry for myself until after dark and then figured I needed to at least get
up and organize the mess of papers growing all around me.
Last night Holly slept on a futon near me. Not near enough to touch, though
that would have been nice. I needed to have room go get out with the walker
and get to the toilet. But she read me to sleep. I had my choice of Henry
Babysits or Green Eggs and Ham. I chose the latter. This morning she read
me Henry Babysits. That was sweet of her to offer to read to me.
I think I got my ankle and foot swollen by staying up so long yesterday, and
so the cast was uncomfortable.
I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that ramp
was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.
Keith/dh would be thrilled if I could bring in some money to help pay off
charge cards and recent important car repairs.
If any of you feel like discussing that, I could use advice, and if nobody
wants to talk about it that's probably even better.
Kirby needed maps to Farmington, which is up near four corners (NW New Mexico,
where Colorado, Utah and Arizona meet, kinda). He and four other guys were
going to a tournament. A newish card game about wrestling. Raw Deal? Raw
something.
They're taking my van, and they're not back yet. Probably will be back
around midnight. The one who's driving is 22 or 23 or so, has a college
degree, a real job, an apartment. I think there are no other drivers. So I
told Kirby it's the others' duty to have someone assigned to stay awake and
amuse the driver for safety purposes.
We've loaned our van twice before to Kirby-groups. He's not driving at all
yet, but several of his friends can, and we've sent 17 year old drivers twice
to take groups of kids, once to a movie, once to a party in a neighboring
town.
Some of you with older kids are all used to this. For me it's new. I'm not
actively scared or worried, but there's that apprehension in the back of my
mind.
Anyway, a gallomped slowly into the office, back across through the den (in
the walker) to show him where state highway maps are, in a filing cabinet (in
the backest room, where Holly's room used to be, for those who've been here),
and BACK across the whole downstairs. I stopped by for the wheelchair that
time, and I annotated the turn-by-turn directions he had gotten from some
online site.
I wish I had asked him to bring me some food and I had taken pain pills then.
I need a nurse. <g>
And a shower... :-/
Keith has a plan, but I still don't feel up to risking slippery tubs yet.
That is about the extent of my day today.
Back to the couch now.
Thanks for being here so I don't feel like the only unschooling weirdo in the
world.
Sandra
quiet back room for unschoolers to come relax in when the "May I help you?"
customer service counter outside is bustling with noise and complaints.
Yesterday I stayed up too long (in the wheel chair is what I mean by "up"
these days), and then in the middle of the night I got up with just the
walker and helped Kirby get a set of maps and directions for his out of town
trip, so when I woke up at daylight and there was nobody awake to get me food
with which I could take my pills, I realized I had WAY overdone it, and it
had been nine hours since painkillers, and...
So I stayed in bed whimpering and dozing and waking up in pain and feeling
sorry for myself until after dark and then figured I needed to at least get
up and organize the mess of papers growing all around me.
Last night Holly slept on a futon near me. Not near enough to touch, though
that would have been nice. I needed to have room go get out with the walker
and get to the toilet. But she read me to sleep. I had my choice of Henry
Babysits or Green Eggs and Ham. I chose the latter. This morning she read
me Henry Babysits. That was sweet of her to offer to read to me.
I think I got my ankle and foot swollen by staying up so long yesterday, and
so the cast was uncomfortable.
I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that ramp
was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.
Keith/dh would be thrilled if I could bring in some money to help pay off
charge cards and recent important car repairs.
If any of you feel like discussing that, I could use advice, and if nobody
wants to talk about it that's probably even better.
Kirby needed maps to Farmington, which is up near four corners (NW New Mexico,
where Colorado, Utah and Arizona meet, kinda). He and four other guys were
going to a tournament. A newish card game about wrestling. Raw Deal? Raw
something.
They're taking my van, and they're not back yet. Probably will be back
around midnight. The one who's driving is 22 or 23 or so, has a college
degree, a real job, an apartment. I think there are no other drivers. So I
told Kirby it's the others' duty to have someone assigned to stay awake and
amuse the driver for safety purposes.
We've loaned our van twice before to Kirby-groups. He's not driving at all
yet, but several of his friends can, and we've sent 17 year old drivers twice
to take groups of kids, once to a movie, once to a party in a neighboring
town.
Some of you with older kids are all used to this. For me it's new. I'm not
actively scared or worried, but there's that apprehension in the back of my
mind.
Anyway, a gallomped slowly into the office, back across through the den (in
the walker) to show him where state highway maps are, in a filing cabinet (in
the backest room, where Holly's room used to be, for those who've been here),
and BACK across the whole downstairs. I stopped by for the wheelchair that
time, and I annotated the turn-by-turn directions he had gotten from some
online site.
I wish I had asked him to bring me some food and I had taken pain pills then.
I need a nurse. <g>
And a shower... :-/
Keith has a plan, but I still don't feel up to risking slippery tubs yet.
That is about the extent of my day today.
Back to the couch now.
Thanks for being here so I don't feel like the only unschooling weirdo in the
world.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/26/02 9:32:09 PM, SandraDodd@... writes:
<< I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that ramp
was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that. >>
The ability to sue is what keeps much of business accountable to anyone. It's
too bad that frivolous lawsuits have given the idea a bad rep, but in your
case - well, you really have a case. Find a lawyer friend and ask them what
would be a reasonable demand. Ask for more so you can settle on less. (If you
don't have an appropriate lawyer friend, I do, just let me know and I will
ask for you).
JMHO,
Paula
<< I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that ramp
was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that. >>
The ability to sue is what keeps much of business accountable to anyone. It's
too bad that frivolous lawsuits have given the idea a bad rep, but in your
case - well, you really have a case. Find a lawyer friend and ask them what
would be a reasonable demand. Ask for more so you can settle on less. (If you
don't have an appropriate lawyer friend, I do, just let me know and I will
ask for you).
JMHO,
Paula
Pam Hartley
----------
intelligent but non-foaming lawyer thinks you should do. I really do. It's
not like you set them up, or will be claiming pain and suffering you aren't
having. That's real pain and real inconvenience and really not being able to
even go get your own pain medication because they were obviously negligent
(and made no haste in correcting the problem, either! Grrr.)
One way to do it might be to take whatever you can get, cover your expenses,
and then donate some or half or most or whatever you and Keith feel is right
to a victim's center or to orthopedic research or some other useful charity.
get them their learners permits at 15 1/2 and then spend the next year or
two with them driving us everywhere, in all conditions at all times of day
on all types of roads at all kinds of distances.
I got my license at 16 and promptly wrecked my car (not hurt and didn't hurt
anyone else, thankfully). Lots of kids are probably naturally much better
more cautious drivers than I was, though.
Pam
> Last night Holly slept on a futon near me. Not near enough to touch, thoughThat is sweet. Especially since she picked two good books! :)
> that would have been nice. I needed to have room go get out with the walker
> and get to the toilet. But she read me to sleep. I had my choice of Henry
> Babysits or Green Eggs and Ham. I chose the latter. This morning she read
> me Henry Babysits. That was sweet of her to offer to read to me.
> I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that rampI think you should do your costs and pain and suffering and whatever else an
> was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
> hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
> But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
> me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.
>
> Keith/dh would be thrilled if I could bring in some money to help pay off
> charge cards and recent important car repairs.
>
> If any of you feel like discussing that, I could use advice, and if nobody
> wants to talk about it that's probably even better.
intelligent but non-foaming lawyer thinks you should do. I really do. It's
not like you set them up, or will be claiming pain and suffering you aren't
having. That's real pain and real inconvenience and really not being able to
even go get your own pain medication because they were obviously negligent
(and made no haste in correcting the problem, either! Grrr.)
One way to do it might be to take whatever you can get, cover your expenses,
and then donate some or half or most or whatever you and Keith feel is right
to a victim's center or to orthopedic research or some other useful charity.
> We've loaned our van twice before to Kirby-groups. He's not driving at allI am really hoping my girls will go for my brilliant plan <g> which is to
> yet, but several of his friends can, and we've sent 17 year old drivers twice
> to take groups of kids, once to a movie, once to a party in a neighboring
> town.
>
> Some of you with older kids are all used to this. For me it's new. I'm not
> actively scared or worried, but there's that apprehension in the back of my
> mind.
get them their learners permits at 15 1/2 and then spend the next year or
two with them driving us everywhere, in all conditions at all times of day
on all types of roads at all kinds of distances.
I got my license at 16 and promptly wrecked my car (not hurt and didn't hurt
anyone else, thankfully). Lots of kids are probably naturally much better
more cautious drivers than I was, though.
> Thanks for being here so I don't feel like the only unschooling weirdo in theI wish I lived closer and could bring you some pain pills and some food. :(
> world.
Pam
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/26/02 8:50:25 PM, pamhartley@... writes:
<< One way to do it might be to take whatever you can get, cover your
expenses,
and then donate some or half or most or whatever you and Keith feel is right
to a victim's center or to orthopedic research or some other useful charity.
Carolina.
<< One way to do it might be to take whatever you can get, cover your
expenses,
and then donate some or half or most or whatever you and Keith feel is right
to a victim's center or to orthopedic research or some other useful charity.
>>I had thought of that. Donating some to next year's conference in South
Carolina.
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/26/02 9:31:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Could Keith give you a really good sponge bath? (I mean, make the kids go
somewhere else for an hour or two so he can really scrub you down.) and take
a plastic garbage bag and cut a hole in one corner. Then drape it around your
shoulders so your hair hangs down into the big opening. Put a bucket under
your head with the corner of the bag that got cut off is hanging into it. Now
he can wash your hair without water splashing all over. And he can use real
shampoo, not that spray in crap they had out at the hospital. And tell him I
said to really massage your scalp with his fingers. And when he washes your
back, he needs to rub it good too, because you are sitting and lying on it
too much and you need to keep the circulation going.
Now, who lives near Sandra? Call her up, find out what she likes best to eat
and drink and go to the store and buy it. Now take it back to her (yes you
can eat some of the chocolate) and put it all in a cooler right beside her.
Put the chocolate across the room. <g> Don't forget to get some nice smelling
powder or lotion. Nothing too strong or sweet or overly flowery. Something
nice and calming. She can use it after she gets her sponge bath. My choice
would be just plain old baby powder. Nothing is nicer than a nice scrub, some
baby powder and a clean soft cotton nightgown.
I'm so sorry you don't feel good. I know what it is like to feel misplaced
and out of joint. And when you are hungry, tired and not feeling too clean on
top of that, well it just isn't too pleasant. Make Keith get that loofa out!
~Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> .God! That is terrible. If I lived near by I would come take care of you.
>
> I wish I had asked him to bring me some food and I had taken pain pills
> then.
>
> I need a nurse. <g>
> And a shower... :-/
>
> Keith has a plan, but I still don't feel up to risking slippery tubs yet.
>
> That is about the extent of my day today.
>
> Back to the couch now.
>
> Thanks for being here so I don't feel like the only unschooling weirdo in
> the
> world.
>
> Sandra
Could Keith give you a really good sponge bath? (I mean, make the kids go
somewhere else for an hour or two so he can really scrub you down.) and take
a plastic garbage bag and cut a hole in one corner. Then drape it around your
shoulders so your hair hangs down into the big opening. Put a bucket under
your head with the corner of the bag that got cut off is hanging into it. Now
he can wash your hair without water splashing all over. And he can use real
shampoo, not that spray in crap they had out at the hospital. And tell him I
said to really massage your scalp with his fingers. And when he washes your
back, he needs to rub it good too, because you are sitting and lying on it
too much and you need to keep the circulation going.
Now, who lives near Sandra? Call her up, find out what she likes best to eat
and drink and go to the store and buy it. Now take it back to her (yes you
can eat some of the chocolate) and put it all in a cooler right beside her.
Put the chocolate across the room. <g> Don't forget to get some nice smelling
powder or lotion. Nothing too strong or sweet or overly flowery. Something
nice and calming. She can use it after she gets her sponge bath. My choice
would be just plain old baby powder. Nothing is nicer than a nice scrub, some
baby powder and a clean soft cotton nightgown.
I'm so sorry you don't feel good. I know what it is like to feel misplaced
and out of joint. And when you are hungry, tired and not feeling too clean on
top of that, well it just isn't too pleasant. Make Keith get that loofa out!
~Nancy
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Joylyn
In my experience the hotel would probably be glad to pay for your true
expenses if you just asked.
We were at Mandala Bay in Vegas when the revolving door didn't go just
right and lexie slammed into the glass, breaking her glasses. She was
fine, we had the hotel nurse come check her in the room immediately and
put ice on her nose where the glasses hit mostly, but everyone, the
nurse, the glasses place we went to the next day and our local glasses
place said that if her glasses had been made out of glass instead of the
expensive, lightweight polysomething plastic we would have had major
cuts on her eyes and around her eyes. Anyway, her glasses were
essentially new and now we had to replace the frames... We went to the
doctor and she needed a new prescription and Mandela Bay paid for it
all. 100%. It was about $300, so not a fortune but not small change,
especially to us. We did have to sign a form saying we wouldn't sue,
but really, that was not our intention, it was simply to get the glasses
replaced. So anyway, I guess what I'm saying is call the hotel and ask
to speak to whichever dept handles this sort of thing and see what they
say. Personally, if they are at fault they should at the bare minimum
pay your expenses, and I wouldn't think worse of you for asking for
more, for pain and suffering (surgery, missing the conference, etc.)
Have you spoken to an attorney? I would.
Joylyn
Kimber wrote:
expenses if you just asked.
We were at Mandala Bay in Vegas when the revolving door didn't go just
right and lexie slammed into the glass, breaking her glasses. She was
fine, we had the hotel nurse come check her in the room immediately and
put ice on her nose where the glasses hit mostly, but everyone, the
nurse, the glasses place we went to the next day and our local glasses
place said that if her glasses had been made out of glass instead of the
expensive, lightweight polysomething plastic we would have had major
cuts on her eyes and around her eyes. Anyway, her glasses were
essentially new and now we had to replace the frames... We went to the
doctor and she needed a new prescription and Mandela Bay paid for it
all. 100%. It was about $300, so not a fortune but not small change,
especially to us. We did have to sign a form saying we wouldn't sue,
but really, that was not our intention, it was simply to get the glasses
replaced. So anyway, I guess what I'm saying is call the hotel and ask
to speak to whichever dept handles this sort of thing and see what they
say. Personally, if they are at fault they should at the bare minimum
pay your expenses, and I wouldn't think worse of you for asking for
more, for pain and suffering (surgery, missing the conference, etc.)
Have you spoken to an attorney? I would.
Joylyn
Kimber wrote:
> > I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> that ramp
> > was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I
> want the
> > hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental
> and such.
> > But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So
> that gives
> > me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.
> >
> > Keith/dh would be thrilled if I could bring in some money to help
> pay off
> > charge cards and recent important car repairs.
> >
> > If any of you feel like discussing that, I could use advice, and if
> nobody
> > wants to talk about it that's probably even better.
>
>
>
> I settled with an insurance company this past February about an MVA
> with a diesel truck. They practically ran me off the interstate. I
> spent quite a while dealing with their insurance claims adjuster and I
> would be happy to answer any questions about my (headache of an)
> experience if that would be helpful.
>
> Kimber
>
>
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Aileen Bath
Hi Sandra --
I'm new to the list and often don't have much time to post! Thank good ness for daylight savings time!
I feel for you. I was laid up with a broken foot a bunch of years ago and believe me, I'd take another broken arm anytime. It is just plain frustrating not being able to get around. Re: painkillers and water, can you stash them somewhere really close? And maybe keep some food close as well? That would help, especially in the middle of the night when you wake up hungry and/or in pain. Is there any possibility of renting a scooter short term? They make some really nice model's...you can even go zipping down the street in them!
Re: suing -- you have been grossly wronged. You have expenses related to the hotel's incompetence, and you definitely should receive some compensation for "pain and suffering". They should absolutely not get off the hook free and clear. What will probably happen is that hotel's insurance company will offer to settle out of court -- you've got a solid case.
I wish we lived closer and could help you out!
Hugs,
Aileen
I'm new to the list and often don't have much time to post! Thank good ness for daylight savings time!
I feel for you. I was laid up with a broken foot a bunch of years ago and believe me, I'd take another broken arm anytime. It is just plain frustrating not being able to get around. Re: painkillers and water, can you stash them somewhere really close? And maybe keep some food close as well? That would help, especially in the middle of the night when you wake up hungry and/or in pain. Is there any possibility of renting a scooter short term? They make some really nice model's...you can even go zipping down the street in them!
Re: suing -- you have been grossly wronged. You have expenses related to the hotel's incompetence, and you definitely should receive some compensation for "pain and suffering". They should absolutely not get off the hook free and clear. What will probably happen is that hotel's insurance company will offer to settle out of court -- you've got a solid case.
I wish we lived closer and could help you out!
Hugs,
Aileen
----- Original Message -----
From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] This happy quiet little list...
I wanted to come and say THANKS for people being on this list and keeping the
quiet back room for unschoolers to come relax in when the "May I help you?"
customer service counter outside is bustling with noise and complaints.
Yesterday I stayed up too long (in the wheel chair is what I mean by "up"
these days), and then in the middle of the night I got up with just the
walker and helped Kirby get a set of maps and directions for his out of town
trip, so when I woke up at daylight and there was nobody awake to get me food
with which I could take my pills, I realized I had WAY overdone it, and it
had been nine hours since painkillers, and...
So I stayed in bed whimpering and dozing and waking up in pain and feeling
sorry for myself until after dark and then figured I needed to at least get
up and organize the mess of papers growing all around me.
Last night Holly slept on a futon near me. Not near enough to touch, though
that would have been nice. I needed to have room go get out with the walker
and get to the toilet. But she read me to sleep. I had my choice of Henry
Babysits or Green Eggs and Ham. I chose the latter. This morning she read
me Henry Babysits. That was sweet of her to offer to read to me.
I think I got my ankle and foot swollen by staying up so long yesterday, and
so the cast was uncomfortable.
I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that ramp
was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.
Keith/dh would be thrilled if I could bring in some money to help pay off
charge cards and recent important car repairs.
If any of you feel like discussing that, I could use advice, and if nobody
wants to talk about it that's probably even better.
Kirby needed maps to Farmington, which is up near four corners (NW New Mexico,
where Colorado, Utah and Arizona meet, kinda). He and four other guys were
going to a tournament. A newish card game about wrestling. Raw Deal? Raw
something.
They're taking my van, and they're not back yet. Probably will be back
around midnight. The one who's driving is 22 or 23 or so, has a college
degree, a real job, an apartment. I think there are no other drivers. So I
told Kirby it's the others' duty to have someone assigned to stay awake and
amuse the driver for safety purposes.
We've loaned our van twice before to Kirby-groups. He's not driving at all
yet, but several of his friends can, and we've sent 17 year old drivers twice
to take groups of kids, once to a movie, once to a party in a neighboring
town.
Some of you with older kids are all used to this. For me it's new. I'm not
actively scared or worried, but there's that apprehension in the back of my
mind.
Anyway, a gallomped slowly into the office, back across through the den (in
the walker) to show him where state highway maps are, in a filing cabinet (in
the backest room, where Holly's room used to be, for those who've been here),
and BACK across the whole downstairs. I stopped by for the wheelchair that
time, and I annotated the turn-by-turn directions he had gotten from some
online site.
I wish I had asked him to bring me some food and I had taken pain pills then.
I need a nurse. <g>
And a shower... :-/
Keith has a plan, but I still don't feel up to risking slippery tubs yet.
That is about the extent of my day today.
Back to the couch now.
Thanks for being here so I don't feel like the only unschooling weirdo in the
world.
Sandra
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Fetteroll
on 10/26/02 9:30 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
slippery from rain dripping off the building. I informed the woman at the
desk, reminded her of the accident that had already happened and she assured
me maintence would take care of it. They didn't.
I wish I'd gotten something in writing or her name. And pictures.
Obivously accidents happen. But ignoring another potential accident is
extreme negligence.
Joyce
> I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that rampSaturday or Sunday the tiles in the doorway at the top of the ramp were
> was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
> hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
> But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
> me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.
slippery from rain dripping off the building. I informed the woman at the
desk, reminded her of the accident that had already happened and she assured
me maintence would take care of it. They didn't.
I wish I'd gotten something in writing or her name. And pictures.
Obivously accidents happen. But ignoring another potential accident is
extreme negligence.
Joyce
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/26/2002 8:31:56 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
really go take pictures of that ramp, still wet I'm sure, after all these
days. Then what I would do is get a lawyer to write a demand letter,
demanding that they pay your expenses and fix the ramp. I think they'd
likely settle with you at some point, but you might have to push a little
harder.
The property & casualty insurance people are supposed to check for that kind
of unsafe condition before they write policies for big places like hotels and
such. I'm sure they would not want to pay a claim like yours over and over
again, and would make the hotel repair it if they knew about it.
You can have my affidavit that the ramp was still wet even on Sunday, that I
got dripped on the head by the condensation from one of the a/c units above
the door, if you need it.
<<Some of you with older kids are all used to this. For me it's new. I'm
not
actively scared or worried, but there's that apprehension in the back of my
mind. >>
Ha! I'm used to *my* teen drivers. There's no way I'd let someone else's
teen driver take my car somewhere! lol. Well, maybe, if I knew them really
well like you seem to do.
Karen
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that rampSandra, maybe you won't have to actually sue. Someone in Columbia should
> was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want the
>
> hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental and such.
>
> But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that gives
>
> me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.
>
>
really go take pictures of that ramp, still wet I'm sure, after all these
days. Then what I would do is get a lawyer to write a demand letter,
demanding that they pay your expenses and fix the ramp. I think they'd
likely settle with you at some point, but you might have to push a little
harder.
The property & casualty insurance people are supposed to check for that kind
of unsafe condition before they write policies for big places like hotels and
such. I'm sure they would not want to pay a claim like yours over and over
again, and would make the hotel repair it if they knew about it.
You can have my affidavit that the ramp was still wet even on Sunday, that I
got dripped on the head by the condensation from one of the a/c units above
the door, if you need it.
<<Some of you with older kids are all used to this. For me it's new. I'm
not
actively scared or worried, but there's that apprehension in the back of my
mind. >>
Ha! I'm used to *my* teen drivers. There's no way I'd let someone else's
teen driver take my car somewhere! lol. Well, maybe, if I knew them really
well like you seem to do.
Karen
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[email protected]
In a message dated 10/26/2002 8:51:57 PM Central Standard Time,
pamhartley@... writes:
longer they get to drive supervised, the better off they are.
Tuck
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pamhartley@... writes:
> I am really hoping my girls will go for my brilliant plan <g> which is toLet them get their driving permits on the day they become eligible. The
> get them their learners permits at 15 1/2 and then spend the next year or
> two with them driving us everywhere, in all conditions at all times of day
> on all types of roads at all kinds of distances.
>
longer they get to drive supervised, the better off they are.
Tuck
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Unschooling_Dad
I was also checking to see if they would do anything and on Sunday I
noticed that the wet area had a couple of those industrial non-slip
door mats over it. Looked a lot safer.
It's clear to me that the ramp is something that was added to make
the conference building wheelchair accessible. It's ironic that it
put Sandra in temporary need of a wheelchair. And I still think it's
ironic that Sandra's talk was "How to Move a Puddle" and there was a
puddle of water at the bottom of the wet, slippery carpet where
Sandra slipped.
Yes, Sandra, I know your feet never touched the puddle, but it will
make a better story when you tell it at other conferences or to your
grandchildren if you can work in the angle of the puddle being there
and that if it had been moved the carpet might not have been so
wet ;o)
Billy (who had about 5 minutes notice to prepare a keynote speech and
serve as a Sandra substitute!)
FUN Books - www.FUN-Books.com
Family Unschoolers Network - www.unschooling.org
noticed that the wet area had a couple of those industrial non-slip
door mats over it. Looked a lot safer.
It's clear to me that the ramp is something that was added to make
the conference building wheelchair accessible. It's ironic that it
put Sandra in temporary need of a wheelchair. And I still think it's
ironic that Sandra's talk was "How to Move a Puddle" and there was a
puddle of water at the bottom of the wet, slippery carpet where
Sandra slipped.
Yes, Sandra, I know your feet never touched the puddle, but it will
make a better story when you tell it at other conferences or to your
grandchildren if you can work in the angle of the puddle being there
and that if it had been moved the carpet might not have been so
wet ;o)
Billy (who had about 5 minutes notice to prepare a keynote speech and
serve as a Sandra substitute!)
FUN Books - www.FUN-Books.com
Family Unschoolers Network - www.unschooling.org
--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Fetteroll <fetteroll@e...> wrote:
> on 10/26/02 9:30 PM, SandraDodd@a... at SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> Saturday or Sunday the tiles in the doorway at the top of the ramp
were
> slippery from rain dripping off the building. I informed the woman
at the
> desk, reminded her of the accident that had already happened and
she assured
> me maintence would take care of it. They didn't.
>
> I wish I'd gotten something in writing or her name. And pictures.
>
> Obivously accidents happen. But ignoring another potential accident
is
> extreme negligence.
>
> Joyce
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/26/02 9:13:33 PM, Dnowens@... writes:
<< If I lived near by I would come take care of you.
Could Keith give you a really good sponge bath? (I mean, make the kids go
somewhere else for an hour or two so he can really scrub you down.) >>
Thank you. He would be willing to. He's at work today. Sunday. They have
a BIG push at work to finish some contract (Honeywell) and he has a part that
gets worse the more the rest of them are finished (testing). So when he IS
home my first requests of him involve doing things with/for the kids that I
wasn't able to do. And he shops and brings us food. That's good!
A friend washed my hair last Saturday, the 19th. She was willing to come
back to do it yesterday, but I was feeling really bad and slept most of the
day. I had told her no thanks, already on Friday, and it turned out to be
good.
You guys each spend an extra minute in the shower in my honor. How's that!
<g>
And DO NOT come and visit. Then I don't have to feel bad about being
"unprepared."
Sandra
<< If I lived near by I would come take care of you.
Could Keith give you a really good sponge bath? (I mean, make the kids go
somewhere else for an hour or two so he can really scrub you down.) >>
Thank you. He would be willing to. He's at work today. Sunday. They have
a BIG push at work to finish some contract (Honeywell) and he has a part that
gets worse the more the rest of them are finished (testing). So when he IS
home my first requests of him involve doing things with/for the kids that I
wasn't able to do. And he shops and brings us food. That's good!
A friend washed my hair last Saturday, the 19th. She was willing to come
back to do it yesterday, but I was feeling really bad and slept most of the
day. I had told her no thanks, already on Friday, and it turned out to be
good.
You guys each spend an extra minute in the shower in my honor. How's that!
<g>
And DO NOT come and visit. Then I don't have to feel bad about being
"unprepared."
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/02 5:34:00 AM, aileenb@... writes:
<< Re: painkillers and water, can you stash them somewhere really close? And
maybe keep some food close as well? >>
I have had little sealable things with cashews and fig newtons. Sometimes
nutrigrain bars and suchlike, by the couch. It's easy to get really tired of
anything pretty quickly, but I eat some, take the pills, and then eat some
more. Fig newtons as medicine.
I feel now the effect of not having taught my kids to cook more! What's easy
for me to get is a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, ramen, or a ham
sandwich. Sometimes Lean Cuisine chicken and rice. I'm not building up
an appetite, watching tv or sleeping or reading here, so I'm not at all
hungry. The food is for pill-popping-purposes.
Sandra
<< Re: painkillers and water, can you stash them somewhere really close? And
maybe keep some food close as well? >>
I have had little sealable things with cashews and fig newtons. Sometimes
nutrigrain bars and suchlike, by the couch. It's easy to get really tired of
anything pretty quickly, but I eat some, take the pills, and then eat some
more. Fig newtons as medicine.
I feel now the effect of not having taught my kids to cook more! What's easy
for me to get is a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, ramen, or a ham
sandwich. Sometimes Lean Cuisine chicken and rice. I'm not building up
an appetite, watching tv or sleeping or reading here, so I'm not at all
hungry. The food is for pill-popping-purposes.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/02 5:34:00 AM, aileenb@... writes:
<< Is there any possibility of renting a scooter short term? They make some
really nice model's...you can even go zipping down the street in them! >>
Oh sorry. I didn't read the rest.
I can't get out of the house. This isn't a wheelchair accessible house. We
knew it when we moved in, and Keith and I joked that we DO need to keep our
older, smaller house which with just one ramp to the door would be wheelchair
accessible throughout. That that would be our old-and-crippled house.
<<I wish we lived closer and could help you out!>>
Thanks.
I'm saving all the parts about lawsuit advice, and when the first of any
bills show up, or maybe sooner, I'll read all that for fortification and
advice.
I do plan to write a letter to the building inspector's office and ask them
to go and check out that ramp, see if it was ever approved by the city, and
let me know if indeed it is an illegal ramp.
IF by the time they get there the ramp is just still sitting unchanged, I'll
feel much less guilty about asking for more than my co-pays.
I assume that at some point their insurance company will send someone to
offer me a settlement--that if I sign not to sue they'll give me something.
My husband got $100 for a bruise one time, and a note for a visit to the
dentist to get whatever he wanted (a filling got knocked out too) when he was
in a little accident that wasn't at all his fault. They gave us $1200 for
the ratty little Honda Civic, too, which we continued to drive ever after
(seemed like at the time).
Thanks much for the encouragement and cyber-handholding.
Sandra
<< Is there any possibility of renting a scooter short term? They make some
really nice model's...you can even go zipping down the street in them! >>
Oh sorry. I didn't read the rest.
I can't get out of the house. This isn't a wheelchair accessible house. We
knew it when we moved in, and Keith and I joked that we DO need to keep our
older, smaller house which with just one ramp to the door would be wheelchair
accessible throughout. That that would be our old-and-crippled house.
<<I wish we lived closer and could help you out!>>
Thanks.
I'm saving all the parts about lawsuit advice, and when the first of any
bills show up, or maybe sooner, I'll read all that for fortification and
advice.
I do plan to write a letter to the building inspector's office and ask them
to go and check out that ramp, see if it was ever approved by the city, and
let me know if indeed it is an illegal ramp.
IF by the time they get there the ramp is just still sitting unchanged, I'll
feel much less guilty about asking for more than my co-pays.
I assume that at some point their insurance company will send someone to
offer me a settlement--that if I sign not to sue they'll give me something.
My husband got $100 for a bruise one time, and a note for a visit to the
dentist to get whatever he wanted (a filling got knocked out too) when he was
in a little accident that wasn't at all his fault. They gave us $1200 for
the ratty little Honda Civic, too, which we continued to drive ever after
(seemed like at the time).
Thanks much for the encouragement and cyber-handholding.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/02 7:26:09 AM, Tuckervill@... writes:
<< Let them get their driving permits on the day they become eligible. The
longer they get to drive supervised, the better off they are.
driver's ed. All the driver's ed courses are aimed at and scheduled for
schooled kids. Kirby works Monday afternoon, teaches Karate Tuesday
afternoon, TAKES karate Thursday, and it's after school that the classes are,
so we need to try a vacation course. Thanksgiving MAYBE. Christmas if we
miss Thanksgiving. Those are morning to 2:00 pm classes and won't impinge on
his other schedule (not counting sleep).
Sandra
<< Let them get their driving permits on the day they become eligible. The
longer they get to drive supervised, the better off they are.
>>In New Mexico you can't get a learner's permit until you're enrolled in
driver's ed. All the driver's ed courses are aimed at and scheduled for
schooled kids. Kirby works Monday afternoon, teaches Karate Tuesday
afternoon, TAKES karate Thursday, and it's after school that the classes are,
so we need to try a vacation course. Thanksgiving MAYBE. Christmas if we
miss Thanksgiving. Those are morning to 2:00 pm classes and won't impinge on
his other schedule (not counting sleep).
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/02 7:42:28 AM, funlists@... writes:
<< I was also checking to see if they would do anything and on Sunday I
noticed that the wet area had a couple of those industrial non-slip
door mats over it. Looked a lot safer. >>
Marty says they didn't put the mats up as high as where I fell, though.
While I was lying there waiting for the EMTs, a guy from the desk was up
there taking names of witnesses. I think I or someone passed him my
insurance info, or driver's license or something. Both of those were going
around. I was saying "You really need to get some mats on this. Like the
kinds made out of tires that you put out in front of doors. I pressed to
make sure he was at least looking at me or hearing me. So they did what I
asked, but not in such a way that it would have made the whole ramp safer.
I'm glad I have some witnesses now who would be able to say they saw more
water later, so it wasn't even just the rain. Thanks!!!
Sandra
Sandra
<< I was also checking to see if they would do anything and on Sunday I
noticed that the wet area had a couple of those industrial non-slip
door mats over it. Looked a lot safer. >>
Marty says they didn't put the mats up as high as where I fell, though.
While I was lying there waiting for the EMTs, a guy from the desk was up
there taking names of witnesses. I think I or someone passed him my
insurance info, or driver's license or something. Both of those were going
around. I was saying "You really need to get some mats on this. Like the
kinds made out of tires that you put out in front of doors. I pressed to
make sure he was at least looking at me or hearing me. So they did what I
asked, but not in such a way that it would have made the whole ramp safer.
I'm glad I have some witnesses now who would be able to say they saw more
water later, so it wasn't even just the rain. Thanks!!!
Sandra
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/2002 8:44:21 AM Central Standard Time,
funlists@... writes:
Tuck
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funlists@... writes:
> Billy (who had about 5 minutes notice to prepare a keynote speech andAnd you did a great job, too!
> serve as a Sandra substitute!)
>
Tuck
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[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/2002 2:07:19 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
your insurance company that you were hurt like you were and that it's
probably actionable in court. I think they'd pick up that ball and run with
it, too.
The reason I think that is I just filled out a form from my health insurance
company (Humana) for an injury I received while we moved. They wanted to
know all about how it happened and whether there was any other insurance or
if it was work-related. It was nosey and a pain in the neck to me, someone
who doesn't even have a job. But it was a foot injury, and certain types of
injuries are flagged in case of a workers comp claim. But the letter asked
about vehicle accidents, location, etc.
I'm fine, BTW. Dropped a marble tabletop on my foot. It felt broken but
xrays proved otherwise.
Tuck
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> my co-pays.The hotel should pay the whole bill. That's another angle to take. Notify
>
your insurance company that you were hurt like you were and that it's
probably actionable in court. I think they'd pick up that ball and run with
it, too.
The reason I think that is I just filled out a form from my health insurance
company (Humana) for an injury I received while we moved. They wanted to
know all about how it happened and whether there was any other insurance or
if it was work-related. It was nosey and a pain in the neck to me, someone
who doesn't even have a job. But it was a foot injury, and certain types of
injuries are flagged in case of a workers comp claim. But the letter asked
about vehicle accidents, location, etc.
I'm fine, BTW. Dropped a marble tabletop on my foot. It felt broken but
xrays proved otherwise.
Tuck
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[email protected]
In a message dated 10/26/02 9:32:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
In a previous life I worked in Human Resources and somehow was saddled with
most of the coporate insurance stuff. They (the hotel) have property
insurance, you should have been given information about filing a claim. They
should be clamouring for a way to appease you without a lawsuit being filed -
it's easier and cheaper to treat you well on the front end. So, I'd call in
inquire about filing a claim. Probably the local bigshot didn't want to
report it to the head bigshot...
Your medical (not just copays), incidentals (medicars, hospital beds,
anything you've purchased to make your life easier) and lost wages should be
covered, at a minimum. After that they give you something extra to cover
pain and suffering or whatever they call it. The insurance companies all
have formulas to figure out what to give you.
The unethical part of this was their continuing a dangerous practice, a
danger to the general public. It should't be much work on your part to get
what they owe you. I remember with workers compensation, any time a surgery
was involved, there was a "permanency" award, because part of that injury
would never go away.
Rambling thoughts, just took a painkiller myself - after begging for some
food. Hope it helps.
Elizabeth
SandraDodd@... writes:
> I really hate the idea of suing a place for an injury, but truly that rampthe
> was bad. Couldn't possibly be legally to code. And so at least I want
> hotel's insurance company to pay my co-pays and wheelchair rental andsuch.
>gives
> But I don't know what's right and good to ask for otherwise. So that
> me kind of a heartache and headache, just thinking about that.Sandra -
>
In a previous life I worked in Human Resources and somehow was saddled with
most of the coporate insurance stuff. They (the hotel) have property
insurance, you should have been given information about filing a claim. They
should be clamouring for a way to appease you without a lawsuit being filed -
it's easier and cheaper to treat you well on the front end. So, I'd call in
inquire about filing a claim. Probably the local bigshot didn't want to
report it to the head bigshot...
Your medical (not just copays), incidentals (medicars, hospital beds,
anything you've purchased to make your life easier) and lost wages should be
covered, at a minimum. After that they give you something extra to cover
pain and suffering or whatever they call it. The insurance companies all
have formulas to figure out what to give you.
The unethical part of this was their continuing a dangerous practice, a
danger to the general public. It should't be much work on your part to get
what they owe you. I remember with workers compensation, any time a surgery
was involved, there was a "permanency" award, because part of that injury
would never go away.
Rambling thoughts, just took a painkiller myself - after begging for some
food. Hope it helps.
Elizabeth
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/02 2:31:53 PM, Tuckervill@... writes:
<< I'm fine, BTW. Dropped a marble tabletop on my foot. It felt broken but
xrays proved otherwise. >>
OW!!!!
I Actually SAID "OW" right out loud when I read that. YIKES!
Our HMO didn't say a word so far. I should call them but it's changed hands
twice since I dealt with anybody.
Sandra
<< I'm fine, BTW. Dropped a marble tabletop on my foot. It felt broken but
xrays proved otherwise. >>
OW!!!!
I Actually SAID "OW" right out loud when I read that. YIKES!
Our HMO didn't say a word so far. I should call them but it's changed hands
twice since I dealt with anybody.
Sandra
Kimber
<<<The hotel should pay the whole bill. That's another angle to take. Notify
your insurance company that you were hurt like you were and that it's
probably actionable in court. I think they'd pick up that ball and run with
it, too.>>>
My insurance company nor the doctors/hospital cared if I was expecting to sue or settle with the trucking company. They just wanted the copays now. I would plan on paying those but getting copies of the original bills to send to the hotel people.
You really need to get copies of all original bills (before the insurance pays), and all of your medical transcription reports from the doctors. The insurance company(of the hotel) should reimburse you for total medical costs (again before your insurance co. pays), not just the copays.
Kimber
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your insurance company that you were hurt like you were and that it's
probably actionable in court. I think they'd pick up that ball and run with
it, too.>>>
My insurance company nor the doctors/hospital cared if I was expecting to sue or settle with the trucking company. They just wanted the copays now. I would plan on paying those but getting copies of the original bills to send to the hotel people.
You really need to get copies of all original bills (before the insurance pays), and all of your medical transcription reports from the doctors. The insurance company(of the hotel) should reimburse you for total medical costs (again before your insurance co. pays), not just the copays.
Kimber
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