heather mclean

<Fundamentalist Christians who won a legal battle to
keep homosexual men from being leaders and if a child
is homosexual I guess he's out too (I don't know).>

yes, homosexual boys are not welcome according to the
official policy. Of course, individual troops may be
in violation if they are welcoming. "In June, 2000,
the United States Supreme Court in a 5-4 vote
overturned a unanimous ruling by the New Jersey
Supreme Court in the James Dale case and upheld the
right of the BSA to bar from its ranks gay SCOUTS and
scout leaders." (from http://www.uua.org/news/scouts/)

<So I asked if a child and parents with Buddhist
beliefs or beliefs in American Indian gods or Pagan
gods would feel welcome.>

Unitarian Universalists (like me) Boy Scouts are not
welcome to earn their Religion in Life emblem,
according to the official boy scout policy. They don't
"approve" of our religious teaching which specifically
includes respect for all, not just heterosexuals. You
can read more about the ongoing dispute at the link
listed above.

heather mclean
tucson


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In a message dated 10/23/02 11:41:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
heather_200115@... writes:

> Unitarian Universalists (like me) Boy Scouts are not
> welcome to earn their Religion in Life emblem,
> according to the official boy scout policy. They don't
> "approve" of our religious teaching which specifically
> includes respect for all, not just heterosexuals. You
> can read more about the ongoing dispute at the link
> listed above.
>
> heather mclean
> tucson
>

I never knew! I mean, I knew BSA is antigay, and I wanted to be a leader so
that wouldn't affect my child, but the religious aspect (so far) has been
presented to me that as long as a boy is "religious" and believes in a
supreme being (god) then he is good to go. I couldn't link to the site you
posted. But I am planning on doing some more in-depth searching of my own.
Apparently, searching I should have done earlier. :o(
~Nancy


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Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema

At 02:01 PM 10/23/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>presented to me that as long as a boy is "religious" and believes in a
>supreme being (god) then he is good to go.

Just wondering, but if the boy believes in himself as the 'supreme being',
is that still workable? He's religious about GameBoy, so we're good to go
there... (small grin)
I'm asking just as a sort-of-wondering. My darling atheist son (of his own
choice) is not interested in boy scouts, so it's not really an issue for
us, except in the wider social sense.
Heidi

Kate Green

>>
>
> Unitarian Universalists (like me) Boy Scouts are not
> welcome to earn their Religion in Life emblem,
> according to the official boy scout policy.

My then 11-year-old decided he was going to do his UU badge and so got the
booklet from our church. He worked thru it at home (although his leaders
knew he was doing it) and then was awarded it in front of the whole church
-- quite a big one and he got loads of applause. He told everyone that if
they wouldn't let him wear if then he would quit the pack but no one ever
said a word. I think again it has to do with your leaders more than anything.

They ended up quitting when we moved here anyway but it was a good
experience for him to have to decide where he stood on his beliefs.

Kate


hey don't
>"" of our religious teaching which specifically
> You
> can read more about the ongoing dispute at the link
>
>
> heather mclean
> tucson
>
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> I never knew! I mean, I knew BSA is antigay, and I wanted to be a leader so
> that wouldn't affect my child, but the religious aspect (so far) has been
>"" and believes in a
> supreme being (god) then he is good to go.

The anti-gay thing is the main argument that UU's have against BSA but they
came back trying to find fault with UUs. Basically they say that because we
don't insist there is one specific (male) god then we are not "religious"
and they have tried to say we are a cult!

Kate


I couldn't link to the site you
> posted. But I am planning on doing some more in-depth searching of my own.
> Apparently, searching I should have done earlier. :o(
> ~Nancy
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In a message dated 10/24/02 10:55:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
karegree@... writes:

> The anti-gay thing is the main argument that UU's have against BSA but they
> came back trying to find fault with UUs. Basically they say that because we
> don't insist there is one specific (male) god then we are not "religious"
> and they have tried to say we are a cult!
>
> Kate
>

The more I find out here, the more I have decided that after this year we
won't be doing this. I will finish this year because I made a commitment to
children other than just mine.
~Nancy


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angie hewerdine

I'm just curious. What do Unitarian Universalists believe? I really don't
know, and would like to. Thanks.






>From: Kate Green <karegree@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] boy scouts
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 19:43:25 +0400
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Lisa Hardiman

I really would not worry what they say, I mean, they were only
justifying slavery a couple of hundred years ago. I think their
ultimate goal is control and making people feel bad. Lisa of MT

-----Original Message-----
From: Dnowens@... [mailto:Dnowens@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] boy scouts

In a message dated 10/24/02 10:55:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
karegree@... writes:

> The anti-gay thing is the main argument that UU's have against BSA but
they
> came back trying to find fault with UUs. Basically they say that
because we
> don't insist there is one specific (male) god then we are not
"religious"
> and they have tried to say we are a cult!
>
> Kate
>

The more I find out here, the more I have decided that after this year
we
won't be doing this. I will finish this year because I made a commitment
to
children other than just mine.
~Nancy


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In a message dated 10/25/02 12:40:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
lisa-hardiman@... writes:

> I really would not worry what they say, I mean, they were only
> justifying slavery a couple of hundred years ago. I think their
> ultimate goal is control and making people feel bad. Lisa of MT

Could you clarify this a bit for me? Cause Boy Scouts didn't start here in
the States until something like 1913 (around there) and was only started in
England sometime around 1906. Slavery was over a few years before that.
~Nancy


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Joylyn

i don't think lisa meant that boyscouts justified slavery, but they do
justify discrimitory practices (against gays and those who don't believe
as they believe) in the name of "wholesome" living. Slave owners
justified slavery saying blacks were not as smart as whites and that
they were rescuing them from swinging in trees in africa and showing
them god. Those that killed native americans justified it by saying
they were heathens and that whites needed the land. Boyscouts use god
and godly living as a reason for their behavior--it's a very old reason
for behavior that hurts others.

joylyn

Dnowens@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/25/02 12:40:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
> lisa-hardiman@... writes:
>
> > I really would not worry what they say, I mean, they were only
> > justifying slavery a couple of hundred years ago. I think their
> > ultimate goal is control and making people feel bad. Lisa of MT
>
> Could you clarify this a bit for me? Cause Boy Scouts didn't start
> here in
> the States until something like 1913 (around there) and was only
> started in
> England sometime around 1906. Slavery was over a few years before that.
> ~Nancy
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In a message dated 10/25/02 4:39:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< 'm just curious. What do Unitarian Universalists believe? I really don't
know, and would like to. Thanks. >>

I'm not UU, but I have a good friend that is.
She says it is respect for all beliefs, so there is a wide range of beliefs
at a UU church.
It's more about honoring all beliefs and getting together to promote peace
and unity and such.

Ren

Lisa Hardiman

I meant to say that some churches justified slavery. Some churches
justified the killing of Indians, some churches justify the control of
women and girls. I think that the Boy Scouts are good if they are good
for your children. It is the ideology thoughts that justify exclusion
and killing. That is what I meant. Sorry not explained myself better.
Lisa

-----Original Message-----
From: Dnowens@... [mailto:Dnowens@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] boy scouts

In a message dated 10/25/02 12:40:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
lisa-hardiman@... writes:

> I really would not worry what they say, I mean, they were only
> justifying slavery a couple of hundred years ago. I think their
> ultimate goal is control and making people feel bad. Lisa of MT

Could you clarify this a bit for me? Cause Boy Scouts didn't start here
in
the States until something like 1913 (around there) and was only started
in
England sometime around 1906. Slavery was over a few years before that.
~Nancy


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