[AlwaysLearning] talk with mom (long)
heather mclean
I just got off the phone with my mom a little while
ago. I guess I need to vent a little. Ok, a lot!
I'm usually good at avoiding any topic of controversy
with my mom, like religion, homeschooling, basically
any important topics, and keep it superficial, yeah,
I'm fine, the kids are fine, it's hot today.... So
she asked how homeschooling was going, and I said
"fine". Great, you say. But then she asked what we
were studying. My response..."uh..." I know, I know,
in hindsight, I should have come up with something,
maybe "ancient civilizations" or something at least
interesting. But instead I confessed that we weren't
really doing lessons. (It has been easy to avoid
specifically outlining our unschooling philosophy
since we live in AZ & they live in AL.) So we had a
long conversation. Or maybe I should say, she had
lots of concerns & worries & told me all the things I
"should" be doing with Quentin (he's 6).
Ok, I better back up a bit. This really started
because I made a comment about us being behind a guy
this morning on our way to church & he had TX license
plates & a Texas A&M sticker on his car. (Dh & I both
graduated from Tx A&M). Mom followed that with the
suggestion that we find or start an alumni group here
(in Tucson). Hah! As if that would be something we'd
be interested in. So I told her that. And she said
"Well, aren't your kids going to go to college?" I
replied "maybe, if they want to". "Well", she says,
"if we were in an alumni group then our kids might
want to go to the same college we went to." (!) "why
would we want them to do that?", I think as a nice
response now, an hour later...(note: she & my dad are
active in their UF alumni group in Alabama, mostly,
maybe exclusively for the football watching parties!)
Ok, mom has a masters in education & is a former
teacher (mostly first grade). She has no clue what we
are doing, well, now she does, but she has no
understanding about WHY. I tried to explain, but she,
of course, thinks we should have a curriculum & doing
lessons & on & on. So I addressed all the concerns
she came up with & then she said " well, what if
something happened to you & chris?" I interpret this
to mean, what if we die tomorrow? So I reply "well, I
imagine someone would end up putting them in school."
Mom: "well, that would be so HARD on them if they've
been homeschooled and have never done lessons before"
or something to that effect.
So the conversation continues... about "don't we have
to do testing?" NO. "doesn't the state require every
kid to be in school?" YES. "So if Child Protective
Services investigates and finds out your kids are just
playing games and not doing school...?" MOM! CPS is
not going to take my kids away just to put them in
school! I couldn't believe she said that!
I still can't.
Ok, rant over...
peace,
heather mclean
tucson, AZ
...thinking ahead to November when mom & dad are
coming to visit!
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ago. I guess I need to vent a little. Ok, a lot!
I'm usually good at avoiding any topic of controversy
with my mom, like religion, homeschooling, basically
any important topics, and keep it superficial, yeah,
I'm fine, the kids are fine, it's hot today.... So
she asked how homeschooling was going, and I said
"fine". Great, you say. But then she asked what we
were studying. My response..."uh..." I know, I know,
in hindsight, I should have come up with something,
maybe "ancient civilizations" or something at least
interesting. But instead I confessed that we weren't
really doing lessons. (It has been easy to avoid
specifically outlining our unschooling philosophy
since we live in AZ & they live in AL.) So we had a
long conversation. Or maybe I should say, she had
lots of concerns & worries & told me all the things I
"should" be doing with Quentin (he's 6).
Ok, I better back up a bit. This really started
because I made a comment about us being behind a guy
this morning on our way to church & he had TX license
plates & a Texas A&M sticker on his car. (Dh & I both
graduated from Tx A&M). Mom followed that with the
suggestion that we find or start an alumni group here
(in Tucson). Hah! As if that would be something we'd
be interested in. So I told her that. And she said
"Well, aren't your kids going to go to college?" I
replied "maybe, if they want to". "Well", she says,
"if we were in an alumni group then our kids might
want to go to the same college we went to." (!) "why
would we want them to do that?", I think as a nice
response now, an hour later...(note: she & my dad are
active in their UF alumni group in Alabama, mostly,
maybe exclusively for the football watching parties!)
Ok, mom has a masters in education & is a former
teacher (mostly first grade). She has no clue what we
are doing, well, now she does, but she has no
understanding about WHY. I tried to explain, but she,
of course, thinks we should have a curriculum & doing
lessons & on & on. So I addressed all the concerns
she came up with & then she said " well, what if
something happened to you & chris?" I interpret this
to mean, what if we die tomorrow? So I reply "well, I
imagine someone would end up putting them in school."
Mom: "well, that would be so HARD on them if they've
been homeschooled and have never done lessons before"
or something to that effect.
So the conversation continues... about "don't we have
to do testing?" NO. "doesn't the state require every
kid to be in school?" YES. "So if Child Protective
Services investigates and finds out your kids are just
playing games and not doing school...?" MOM! CPS is
not going to take my kids away just to put them in
school! I couldn't believe she said that!
I still can't.
Ok, rant over...
peace,
heather mclean
tucson, AZ
...thinking ahead to November when mom & dad are
coming to visit!
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Joylyn
heather, i had a very similar conversation with my parents. it was a
bit upsetting. i thought that they agreed with unschooling--after all,
i first read holt from their bookshelves! when i was in high school.
my parents are also former teachers/educators. my mom taught special
ed, and we had a private school for years. my dad taught for years, and
t hen became a counselor. they are both retired now.
the only difference in the conversation between your mom and yourself,
and my parents and me was that my parents also went into how the schools
will never be the same and that it is partly the fault of homeschoolers.
my mom said that kids like lexie make the schools look good, because
she would test well. like that is a reason to put her in school. yes,
she is like me, she would love those silly standerdized testing,
although they would be a bit long for her, and she would test well, but
still.... besides the fact that us homeschoolers are going to be the
downfall of public schools (something i truly do not understand, i
almost want to ask them to tell me more, but i really don't want to go
there) we are also doing a bad thing by not doing school lessons with
lexie. i know they live in new mexico and we live in california so they
dont' see lexie a lot, but man, i really thought they would be ok with
unschooling, at least for a few more years.
i admit that i have thought a few times that i am lucky that lexie is
advanced for her age. my sister's youngest son did not really read at
all until recently, and even then he is only reading 'on grade level'.
my parents were very worried about him--he's just one year older than
Lexie, he just turned 8! i know that they haven't said things because
lexie is obviously very bright and learning--but they said she needs to
learn to be bored, to do things that are boring. how will she suceed in
college if she isn't bored now. i really don't get it.
i mean, a short brag here, but lexie is doing so well. she is counting
money. no worksheets, no fake money, she just finds money and then
counts it. she and i had a neat conversation about prime numbers. i
was in high school before i understood about prime numbers, but she gets
it, at 7! we recently raised butterflies and i was amazed at her
knowledge of the lifespan of butterflies--she got out all our
dictionaries and world books and animal books and was mad because none
of them had a picture of the painted lady butterfly. but she read about
butterflies and read to janene, etc. it was very cool to watch. (one of
the butterflies is deformed. so sad. the wing didn't open up all the
way and the other wing had holes in it. the girls decided to keep it in
the net cage (which is pretty big) until it dies, 2-4 weeks. so we buy
fresh flowers and give it cut oranges and i try not to cry a bit when i
walk by and see this deformed little guy. how sad. not really the
lesson i had in mind when i ordered the butterflies!) i love watching
lexie learn and grow and become. janene too. today she and lexie and
daddy made cookies and when janene came up i asked her how many cookies
she ate. she said i ate 4 first and then two more. i said and how many
is that! she laughed and held up four fingers and then made my hand
hold up two fingers and counted them all. anyway... this is turning
into a rant now too.
i like to think that it'll be a bit like breastfeeding. when lexie was
about 6 months my dad found out that i planned to nurse her until she
self weaned and that it could be years. (i didn't know it would be
almost 6 years, i figured 3 at that time, but that was way too long for
my dad). my dad said that as a counselor all the kids he had been
around who had nursed that long had seperation issues, major problems
with leaving mom, etc. he was truly upset that i was choosing to do
something he felt would be harmful to his granddaughter. about a year
later he admitted that he was wrong. but i was lucky. lexie is an
extrovert. nursing had little to do with her inate personality. yes, i
believe that our parenting helped her to be secure but it wasn't just
that. so i guess i am just hoping that in a few years my parents will
see that lexie can truly learn in this way, and that she doesn't need to
be bored to learn.
joylyn who will get a keyboard tomorrow--water and 4 year olds and
keyboards don't mix. no shift key
heather mclean wrote:
bit upsetting. i thought that they agreed with unschooling--after all,
i first read holt from their bookshelves! when i was in high school.
my parents are also former teachers/educators. my mom taught special
ed, and we had a private school for years. my dad taught for years, and
t hen became a counselor. they are both retired now.
the only difference in the conversation between your mom and yourself,
and my parents and me was that my parents also went into how the schools
will never be the same and that it is partly the fault of homeschoolers.
my mom said that kids like lexie make the schools look good, because
she would test well. like that is a reason to put her in school. yes,
she is like me, she would love those silly standerdized testing,
although they would be a bit long for her, and she would test well, but
still.... besides the fact that us homeschoolers are going to be the
downfall of public schools (something i truly do not understand, i
almost want to ask them to tell me more, but i really don't want to go
there) we are also doing a bad thing by not doing school lessons with
lexie. i know they live in new mexico and we live in california so they
dont' see lexie a lot, but man, i really thought they would be ok with
unschooling, at least for a few more years.
i admit that i have thought a few times that i am lucky that lexie is
advanced for her age. my sister's youngest son did not really read at
all until recently, and even then he is only reading 'on grade level'.
my parents were very worried about him--he's just one year older than
Lexie, he just turned 8! i know that they haven't said things because
lexie is obviously very bright and learning--but they said she needs to
learn to be bored, to do things that are boring. how will she suceed in
college if she isn't bored now. i really don't get it.
i mean, a short brag here, but lexie is doing so well. she is counting
money. no worksheets, no fake money, she just finds money and then
counts it. she and i had a neat conversation about prime numbers. i
was in high school before i understood about prime numbers, but she gets
it, at 7! we recently raised butterflies and i was amazed at her
knowledge of the lifespan of butterflies--she got out all our
dictionaries and world books and animal books and was mad because none
of them had a picture of the painted lady butterfly. but she read about
butterflies and read to janene, etc. it was very cool to watch. (one of
the butterflies is deformed. so sad. the wing didn't open up all the
way and the other wing had holes in it. the girls decided to keep it in
the net cage (which is pretty big) until it dies, 2-4 weeks. so we buy
fresh flowers and give it cut oranges and i try not to cry a bit when i
walk by and see this deformed little guy. how sad. not really the
lesson i had in mind when i ordered the butterflies!) i love watching
lexie learn and grow and become. janene too. today she and lexie and
daddy made cookies and when janene came up i asked her how many cookies
she ate. she said i ate 4 first and then two more. i said and how many
is that! she laughed and held up four fingers and then made my hand
hold up two fingers and counted them all. anyway... this is turning
into a rant now too.
i like to think that it'll be a bit like breastfeeding. when lexie was
about 6 months my dad found out that i planned to nurse her until she
self weaned and that it could be years. (i didn't know it would be
almost 6 years, i figured 3 at that time, but that was way too long for
my dad). my dad said that as a counselor all the kids he had been
around who had nursed that long had seperation issues, major problems
with leaving mom, etc. he was truly upset that i was choosing to do
something he felt would be harmful to his granddaughter. about a year
later he admitted that he was wrong. but i was lucky. lexie is an
extrovert. nursing had little to do with her inate personality. yes, i
believe that our parenting helped her to be secure but it wasn't just
that. so i guess i am just hoping that in a few years my parents will
see that lexie can truly learn in this way, and that she doesn't need to
be bored to learn.
joylyn who will get a keyboard tomorrow--water and 4 year olds and
keyboards don't mix. no shift key
heather mclean wrote:
> I just got off the phone with my mom a little while[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> ago. I guess I need to vent a little. Ok, a lot!
>
> I'm usually good at avoiding any topic of controversy
> with my mom, like religion, homeschooling, basically
> any important topics, and keep it superficial, yeah,
> I'm fine, the kids are fine, it's hot today.... So
> she asked how homeschooling was going, and I said
> "fine". Great, you say. But then she asked what we
> were studying. My response..."uh..." I know, I know,
> in hindsight, I should have come up with something,
> maybe "ancient civilizations" or something at least
> interesting. But instead I confessed that we weren't
> really doing lessons. (It has been easy to avoid
> specifically outlining our unschooling philosophy
> since we live in AZ & they live in AL.) So we had a
> long conversation. Or maybe I should say, she had
> lots of concerns & worries & told me all the things I
> "should" be doing with Quentin (he's 6).
>
> Ok, I better back up a bit. This really started
> because I made a comment about us being behind a guy
> this morning on our way to church & he had TX license
> plates & a Texas A&M sticker on his car. (Dh & I both
> graduated from Tx A&M). Mom followed that with the
> suggestion that we find or start an alumni group here
> (in Tucson). Hah! As if that would be something we'd
> be interested in. So I told her that. And she said
> "Well, aren't your kids going to go to college?" I
> replied "maybe, if they want to". "Well", she says,
> "if we were in an alumni group then our kids might
> want to go to the same college we went to." (!) "why
> would we want them to do that?", I think as a nice
> response now, an hour later...(note: she & my dad are
> active in their UF alumni group in Alabama, mostly,
> maybe exclusively for the football watching parties!)
>
> Ok, mom has a masters in education & is a former
> teacher (mostly first grade). She has no clue what we
> are doing, well, now she does, but she has no
> understanding about WHY. I tried to explain, but she,
> of course, thinks we should have a curriculum & doing
> lessons & on & on. So I addressed all the concerns
> she came up with & then she said " well, what if
> something happened to you & chris?" I interpret this
> to mean, what if we die tomorrow? So I reply "well, I
> imagine someone would end up putting them in school."
> Mom: "well, that would be so HARD on them if they've
> been homeschooled and have never done lessons before"
> or something to that effect.
>
> So the conversation continues... about "don't we have
> to do testing?" NO. "doesn't the state require every
> kid to be in school?" YES. "So if Child Protective
> Services investigates and finds out your kids are just
> playing games and not doing school...?" MOM! CPS is
> not going to take my kids away just to put them in
> school! I couldn't believe she said that!
> I still can't.
>
> Ok, rant over...
>
> peace,
> heather mclean
> tucson, AZ
>
> ...thinking ahead to November when mom & dad are
> coming to visit!
>
>
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In a message dated 9/15/02 11:47:00 PM, heather_200115@... writes:
<< ...thinking ahead to November when mom & dad are
coming to visit! >>
Are there things you'd like to have, like a globe? Some attribute blocks?
Cuisenaire rods? A toy cash register? a wall map? Chalk and a chalk board? A
relief map of Arizona? I'd ask the first-grade-teacher mom if she had any
lying around, or knew where to get some. She might have connections with a
school still or might really enjoy going to an educational supply store and
buying you some "educational supplies." And the kids could play with those
while she was there and she would be THRILLED.
A geoboard and some colored rubber bands.
Puzzles.
I would try to do an aikido maneuver so that her desire to see school-style
learning could be turned to your advantage (and hers) during the visit.
Sandra
<< ...thinking ahead to November when mom & dad are
coming to visit! >>
Are there things you'd like to have, like a globe? Some attribute blocks?
Cuisenaire rods? A toy cash register? a wall map? Chalk and a chalk board? A
relief map of Arizona? I'd ask the first-grade-teacher mom if she had any
lying around, or knew where to get some. She might have connections with a
school still or might really enjoy going to an educational supply store and
buying you some "educational supplies." And the kids could play with those
while she was there and she would be THRILLED.
A geoboard and some colored rubber bands.
Puzzles.
I would try to do an aikido maneuver so that her desire to see school-style
learning could be turned to your advantage (and hers) during the visit.
Sandra
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In a message dated 9/16/02 12:49:26 AM, joylyn@... writes:
<< besides the fact that us homeschoolers are going to be the
downfall of public schools (something i truly do not understand, i
almost want to ask them to tell me more, but i really don't want to go
there) >>
I understand it.
But I'm willing not to go there. <g>
You could say "John Holt's stuff I read on YOUR bookshelf. The only reason
that didn't work then in practice was compulsion and class size. WE can make
it work at home. It's GLORIOUS! It's all the school reform theories in
living color."
<<they said she needs to
learn to be bored, to do things that are boring. how will she suceed in
college if she isn't bored now. i really don't get it.>>
This is bad.
People can walk through and drag themselves through college bored, but they
can't sparkle and spark.
<<my dad said that as a counselor all the kids he had been
around who had nursed that long had seperation issues, major problems
with leaving mom, etc. >>
AHA! Once they trust their moms they don't WANT to go to daycare! <bwg>
Sandra
<< besides the fact that us homeschoolers are going to be the
downfall of public schools (something i truly do not understand, i
almost want to ask them to tell me more, but i really don't want to go
there) >>
I understand it.
But I'm willing not to go there. <g>
You could say "John Holt's stuff I read on YOUR bookshelf. The only reason
that didn't work then in practice was compulsion and class size. WE can make
it work at home. It's GLORIOUS! It's all the school reform theories in
living color."
<<they said she needs to
learn to be bored, to do things that are boring. how will she suceed in
college if she isn't bored now. i really don't get it.>>
This is bad.
People can walk through and drag themselves through college bored, but they
can't sparkle and spark.
<<my dad said that as a counselor all the kids he had been
around who had nursed that long had seperation issues, major problems
with leaving mom, etc. >>
AHA! Once they trust their moms they don't WANT to go to daycare! <bwg>
Sandra
Shyrley
On 16 Sep 02, at 9:16, SandraDodd@... wrote:
Sometimes its difficult to get families to understand. When I took
my kids out of school my mother-in-law (high school physics
teacher, married to a university lecturer and obsessed with maths
and physics) assumed I was doing it so I could 'hot-house' the
children.
H was labelled 'gifted' at school as her maths was 6 years ahead of
her classmates so MIL assumed we'd be ploughing ahead with a
maths and physics curriculum with an eye to Oxford or Cambridge
in the future. Man, was she disappointed!
While we were still in the UK she would try and drop little hints
about hours per day that should be spent on maths. Fortunately
the hints were little cos she knows I don't like her much and that
she wouldn't be welcome in our house again if she annoyed me.
She would then feed my husbands fears about how the children
weren't learning, how would they get into a good university, how
there were only narrow windows in time where certain things could
be learned, how they would end up like some of the 'morons' she
taught, not even going to university. Sigh.
Now we are 4000 miles away she sends workbooks to the kids
through the mail, obviously expecting them to be thrilled. My
daughetr is 10, the work-books are nearly always aimed at 16-18
yo's. The boys get nothing cos they are boys and she doesn't like
them.
In-laws! Who needs 'em
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Betsy
**
Ok, mom has a masters in education & is a former
teacher (mostly first grade). She has no clue what we
are doing, well, now she does, but she has no
understanding about WHY. I tried to explain, but she,
of course, thinks we should have a curriculum & doing
lessons & on & on. So I addressed all the concerns
she came up with & then she said " well, what if
something happened to you & chris?" I interpret this
to mean, what if we die tomorrow? So I reply "well, I
imagine someone would end up putting them in school."
Mom: "well, that would be so HARD on them if they've
been homeschooled and have never done lessons before"
or something to that effect. **
To extend this argument to its absurd conclusion: you shouldn't even be
affectionate to your kids in case you die and the future foster parents
aren't as affectionate. Then your kids won't know what they are
missing. ::: shudder :::
Betsy
Ok, mom has a masters in education & is a former
teacher (mostly first grade). She has no clue what we
are doing, well, now she does, but she has no
understanding about WHY. I tried to explain, but she,
of course, thinks we should have a curriculum & doing
lessons & on & on. So I addressed all the concerns
she came up with & then she said " well, what if
something happened to you & chris?" I interpret this
to mean, what if we die tomorrow? So I reply "well, I
imagine someone would end up putting them in school."
Mom: "well, that would be so HARD on them if they've
been homeschooled and have never done lessons before"
or something to that effect. **
To extend this argument to its absurd conclusion: you shouldn't even be
affectionate to your kids in case you die and the future foster parents
aren't as affectionate. Then your kids won't know what they are
missing. ::: shudder :::
Betsy
Betsy
**besides the fact that us homeschoolers are going to be the
downfall of public schools (something i truly do not understand, i
almost want to ask them to tell me more, but i really don't want to go
there) **
The simplest idea is that fewer students choosing public school means
fewer jobs for public school teachers. And if homeschooling yields
better "results", either in test scores or in personal happiness, then
more and more people are going to homeschoool.
The other thing that I think will happen is that homeschooling will
prove that school doesn't work. If all the kids whose parents read to
them a lot took them out of school, then I think test scores would drop.
And I think all the worksheets and remedial reading programs and longer
school years wouldn't raise the test scores back up again. I believe
that natural learning in a relaxed and undistracting environment works
better than anything in the classroom. And I believe that in reading 4
Harry Potter books twice to my son this summer I "developed his
vocabulary" (pardon me) more than my husband did in teaching 150
"scripted reading lessons" to his middle school students. Believe me,
while I was reading Harry Potter to my son, I was wishing I could read
it to a much larger swarm of kids. (The district mandates the scripted
reading program, and this kind of approach has been gaining in
popularity in California.)
I think I lost track of my point in all the details. But, I believe if
schooly learning is expanded into the preschool years and into
additional homework at night and summer school attendance, then kids
will actually learn LESS. A lot of the "progress" that kids show in
"language arts" during the K12 years is actually learned outside of
school. If enough involved parents take their kids out of school, it
may be revealed that school learning methods are terribly ineffective.
(Pssst! The emperor isn't wearing any clothes. Pass it on.)
Betsy
downfall of public schools (something i truly do not understand, i
almost want to ask them to tell me more, but i really don't want to go
there) **
The simplest idea is that fewer students choosing public school means
fewer jobs for public school teachers. And if homeschooling yields
better "results", either in test scores or in personal happiness, then
more and more people are going to homeschoool.
The other thing that I think will happen is that homeschooling will
prove that school doesn't work. If all the kids whose parents read to
them a lot took them out of school, then I think test scores would drop.
And I think all the worksheets and remedial reading programs and longer
school years wouldn't raise the test scores back up again. I believe
that natural learning in a relaxed and undistracting environment works
better than anything in the classroom. And I believe that in reading 4
Harry Potter books twice to my son this summer I "developed his
vocabulary" (pardon me) more than my husband did in teaching 150
"scripted reading lessons" to his middle school students. Believe me,
while I was reading Harry Potter to my son, I was wishing I could read
it to a much larger swarm of kids. (The district mandates the scripted
reading program, and this kind of approach has been gaining in
popularity in California.)
I think I lost track of my point in all the details. But, I believe if
schooly learning is expanded into the preschool years and into
additional homework at night and summer school attendance, then kids
will actually learn LESS. A lot of the "progress" that kids show in
"language arts" during the K12 years is actually learned outside of
school. If enough involved parents take their kids out of school, it
may be revealed that school learning methods are terribly ineffective.
(Pssst! The emperor isn't wearing any clothes. Pass it on.)
Betsy
Betsy
**
heather, i had a very similar conversation with my parents. it was a
bit upsetting. i thought that they agreed with unschooling--after all,
i first read holt from their bookshelves! when i was in high school.**
<g> I was going to suggest that Heather give her mom John Holt books
for every Christmas and birthday until her mom "gets it". (I'm feeling
harsh this morning.)
Betsy
PS I would start with "How Children Fail"
heather, i had a very similar conversation with my parents. it was a
bit upsetting. i thought that they agreed with unschooling--after all,
i first read holt from their bookshelves! when i was in high school.**
<g> I was going to suggest that Heather give her mom John Holt books
for every Christmas and birthday until her mom "gets it". (I'm feeling
harsh this morning.)
Betsy
PS I would start with "How Children Fail"
Kimber
<<<she said " well, what if
something happened to you & chris?" I interpret this
to mean, what if we die tomorrow? So I reply "well, I
imagine someone would end up putting them in school.">>>
My mother said almost the exact same thing this weekend to me. She is concerned about me possibly having to go back to work, if my husband couldn't support us because of job loss or death, etc.... and have to put the kids back in ps. "Won't they be so far behind???" She asks. I told her not to worry because IF that happened, then we would just move in with her so I could work nights and still keep the kids home! She didn't say much more after that......:)
Kimber
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something happened to you & chris?" I interpret this
to mean, what if we die tomorrow? So I reply "well, I
imagine someone would end up putting them in school.">>>
My mother said almost the exact same thing this weekend to me. She is concerned about me possibly having to go back to work, if my husband couldn't support us because of job loss or death, etc.... and have to put the kids back in ps. "Won't they be so far behind???" She asks. I told her not to worry because IF that happened, then we would just move in with her so I could work nights and still keep the kids home! She didn't say much more after that......:)
Kimber
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In a message dated 9/16/02 10:47:03 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< To extend this argument to its absurd conclusion: you shouldn't even be
affectionate to your kids in case you die and the future foster parents
aren't as affectionate. Then your kids won't know what they are
missing. ::: shudder ::: >>
That probably isn't too far from what some people HAVE thought in the past.
The world sucks, get used to it early, none of the namby-pamby coddling stuff.
Sandra
<< To extend this argument to its absurd conclusion: you shouldn't even be
affectionate to your kids in case you die and the future foster parents
aren't as affectionate. Then your kids won't know what they are
missing. ::: shudder ::: >>
That probably isn't too far from what some people HAVE thought in the past.
The world sucks, get used to it early, none of the namby-pamby coddling stuff.
Sandra
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In a message dated 9/16/02 10:47:16 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< A lot of the "progress" that kids show in
"language arts" during the K12 years is actually learned outside of
school. >>
AND what kids learn about science and history! Much of it comes from
hobbies, movies, reading for fun, travel...
<< A lot of the "progress" that kids show in
"language arts" during the K12 years is actually learned outside of
school. >>
AND what kids learn about science and history! Much of it comes from
hobbies, movies, reading for fun, travel...
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In a message dated 9/16/2002 11:46:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
<< The simplest idea is that fewer students choosing public school means
fewer jobs for public school teachers. >>
Boy, here in the Houston area there are billboards along the freeway
encouraging people to become public school teachers! (Picture of a
child.........."Will you be my teacher?")
Joy
ecsamhill@... writes:
<< The simplest idea is that fewer students choosing public school means
fewer jobs for public school teachers. >>
Boy, here in the Houston area there are billboards along the freeway
encouraging people to become public school teachers! (Picture of a
child.........."Will you be my teacher?")
Joy
Betsy
**
That probably isn't too far from what some people HAVE thought in the past.
The world sucks, get used to it early, none of the namby-pamby coddling stuff.**
I think they were trying to raise soldiers who had nothing to live for
so that they could be as willing as possible to die for the Fatherland.
Betsy
That probably isn't too far from what some people HAVE thought in the past.
The world sucks, get used to it early, none of the namby-pamby coddling stuff.**
I think they were trying to raise soldiers who had nothing to live for
so that they could be as willing as possible to die for the Fatherland.
Betsy
Janet Hamlin
This is the conversation my mother is itching to have with me but won't.
She tries to get my relatives on her side (Don't you think those kids should
be in school?) I decided to confront her directly last week.....she denied
everything and said it wasn't her business. I told her she could ask me
anything about what we're doing, to help her understand, yada yada. She
said she had no concerns. At least your mother was honest with you!
Anyway, dd IS in school right now - our local Sudbury School (she needs LOTS
of people ALL the time to interact with and our HS group, families, and kid
playdates/neighborhood kids wasn't cutting it for her.) But since they're
not making her do academics, it doesn't count (nor does the presence of 2
certified teachers with more than 20 years of PS experience mollify her -
not that I really care *g*).
DS is chugging along just fine unschooling at home (or rather the office :)
Janet
She tries to get my relatives on her side (Don't you think those kids should
be in school?) I decided to confront her directly last week.....she denied
everything and said it wasn't her business. I told her she could ask me
anything about what we're doing, to help her understand, yada yada. She
said she had no concerns. At least your mother was honest with you!
Anyway, dd IS in school right now - our local Sudbury School (she needs LOTS
of people ALL the time to interact with and our HS group, families, and kid
playdates/neighborhood kids wasn't cutting it for her.) But since they're
not making her do academics, it doesn't count (nor does the presence of 2
certified teachers with more than 20 years of PS experience mollify her -
not that I really care *g*).
DS is chugging along just fine unschooling at home (or rather the office :)
Janet
Liza Sabater
>Anyway, dd IS in school right now - our local Sudbury School (she needs LOTSWhat kind of school is that, if I may ask?
>of people ALL the time to interact with and our HS group, families, and kid
>playdates/neighborhood kids wasn't cutting it for her.) But since they're
>not making her do academics, it doesn't count (nor does the presence of 2
>certified teachers with more than 20 years of PS experience mollify her -
>not that I really care *g*).
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Shyrley
See how ominous you are :-)
http://www.likeisaid.com/ominosityquiz.html
I got....
you have an ominosity quotient of
eight.
you are more ominous than the creators of this quiz. good god.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
http://www.likeisaid.com/ominosityquiz.html
I got....
you have an ominosity quotient of
eight.
you are more ominous than the creators of this quiz. good god.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
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Me? They said this:
you have an ominosity quotient of
four.
you are probably somewhat ominous. maybe.
you have an ominosity quotient of
four.
you are probably somewhat ominous. maybe.
Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
I got an Ominosity quotient of seven.
"you are as ominous as the creators of this quiz. which terrifies us."
...but I'm not as ominous as Shyrley!
That's a good thing, right?
Heidi
At 12:51 PM 9/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
"you are as ominous as the creators of this quiz. which terrifies us."
...but I'm not as ominous as Shyrley!
That's a good thing, right?
Heidi
At 12:51 PM 9/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>See how ominous you are :-)
>
>http://www.likeisaid.com/ominosityquiz.html
Meghan Anderson
--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., "Shyrley" <shyrley.williams@v...>
wrote:
are Shyrley <g>).
Meghan
wrote:
> See how ominous you are :-)I got six..."you are really ominous", (but not as ominous as you
are Shyrley <g>).
Meghan
Shyrley
On 25 Sep 02, at 7:51, Meghan Anderson wrote:
:-)
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> --- In AlwaysLearning@y..., "Shyrley" <shyrley.williams@v...>I can be pretty ominous as these people in Virginia are finding out
> wrote:
> > See how ominous you are :-)
>
>
> I got six..."you are really ominous", (but not as ominous as you are
> Shyrley <g>).
>
> Meghan
>
:-)
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."