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Thanks for the warm fuzzy Deb.
Your son sounds like a really incredible human being.
If you ever get over here to P'cola, he'd love our back yard.....right here
in town we have a pond and a creek with Blue Herons (occasionally) loads of
turtles a red shouldered hawk and we think OTTERS! Not sure on the last
creatures since it was my near sighted dh that saw three of them a few
mornings ago, frolicking and playing in the pond. He described them to me
and all I can think of is river otters, although what they are doing in the
middle of town is beyond me.
We have woods, but there is development all around them! Weird.

Ren

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>....right here
> in town we have a pond and a creek with Blue Herons (occasionally)
> loads of
> turtles a red shouldered hawk and we think OTTERS!

Wow! It sounds like kid paradise.
There's a creek behind our house that we've lately taken to cleaning the
garbage out of. We planted willows along the bank and the stretch along
our block is looking pretty nice.
The river that runs through our little town is listed as endangered.
It's full of heavy metals and arsenic from mining and smelting wastes.
An extensive clean up has been underway for many years, but it's a slow
process. A big portion of the cleanup will begin in our area soon. In
the sections that have been done there is improvement, with fish in the
river again and other little critters. There was a time in this valley
when seeing a bird was rare and you couldn't find a snake to save your
life. Things are slowly coming back.
Your pond sounds ideal. If we had a pond I'd never see my child...<g>

Deb L

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<< If we had a pond I'd never see my child...<g> >>

Well get a Nintendo, because people SWEAR if you let them play all they want
they will NEVER stop. Oh! And TV. Get cable. Satellite! Because people
SWEAR if you let them watch all they want they'll never do anything else.
And food. Get lots of food. Candy. Because I have been assured by parents
who know their children better than anyone that if they're not told when to
stop, they'll do nothing but eat junk all day.

So NOBODY has to worry about kids doing the same thing all day, because each
person only has one whole day per... day!

Sandra the reassuringly sarcastic

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Oh, oh, oh, I had to throw cake away yesterday! Chocolate! We were
making a birthday cake and we still had some cake from the week, month?
before.
TV wasn't on at all yesterday even though we have Cartoon Network.
Nobody ate any candy from the bowl on the table, (except the dog, which
might explain why no one else wanted any)
Some guilty party did eat two oranges...
And my 10 year old didn't kill anyone in spite of the Quake and Medal of
Honor games he's had for a year? now.

So OK Miss Sarcasm<g>. He wouldn't spend all day EVERY day at the pond,
just those times when the turtles and frogs and snakes and salamanders
and dragonflies were out and about, and when he wasn't eating paper clips
and banging his head on the wall because I never taught him to mop the
floor...LOL

Deb L

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:55:11 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
>
> In a message dated 9/5/02 6:46:34 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:
>
> << If we had a pond I'd never see my child...<g> >>
>
> Well get a Nintendo, because people SWEAR if you let them play all
> they want
> they will NEVER stop. Oh! And TV. Get cable. Satellite! Because
> people
> SWEAR if you let them watch all they want they'll never do anything
> else.
> And food. Get lots of food. Candy. Because I have been assured by
> parents
> who know their children better than anyone that if they're not told
> when to
> stop, they'll do nothing but eat junk all day.
>
> So NOBODY has to worry about kids doing the same thing all day,
> because each
> person only has one whole day per... day!
>
> Sandra the reassuringly sarcastic
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Max just refused a Rice Crispie treat!
No baody can refuse those!
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An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160

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In a message dated 9/5/02 8:28:03 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<< Some guilty party did eat two oranges... >>

We had company. A 'school kid.' And some of the regular homeschooled
in'n'out kids. We put a meal on the table, people ate kinda in shifts, it
was fun, it was fine. I had put chocolate syrup into most of a gallon of milk
and just set it out. They could also have juice or soda or plain milk.

The next morning the guest said "You used a whole gallon of milk last night.
I guess that's one way to get them to drink their milk."

I kinda bristled at the "their milk" phrase.

I said "We go through at least a gallon of milk a day here even when we don't
have company."

He rared his head back a little and said "REALly!" Not like he didn't
believe me, but like it was way unusual and surprising. I said "Keith and I
drink milk too," and that's all I said.

We do have some friends who are lactose intolerant and if they had been over
we would have put juice out as the "default" instead, and anyone wanting milk
could've done it by the glass on their own.

I guess any kid who is MADE to drink "his" milk won't choose it voluntarily
over Dr Pepper, but my kids will. Sometimes. Depends on the food it's going
with and what their mood and hunger is.

Kinda like that choice thing. <g> You can't choose without having a choice.

Sandra

Sandra

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In a message dated 9/5/02 9:08:13 AM, ElissaJC@... writes:

<< Max just refused a Rice Crispie treat! >>

Homemade or storebought?

Nancy Wooton

on 9/5/02 7:32 AM, ElissaJC@... at ElissaJC@... wrote:

> Max just refused a Rice Crispie treat!
> No body can refuse those!

I can. I hate those things. Them and s'mores; it's the marshmallow
:::shudder::: Marshmallows and jello are just... ewww. (I will happily eat
two of the three s'mores ingredients, separately.)

Nancy, a fussy eater.


--
I DID NOT LEARN EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW IN KINDERGARTEN
--Bart Simpson

Pam Hartley

Michael-Anne (4 almost 5) loves water above any other drink. Almost everyone
we encounter who offers the child juice, soda, or water comments when she
says gratefully, "Water." If they offer only soda and juice, she will muster
herself (she's not wild about speaking to people, our Mikey, including us!)
and say, "Well, I really wanted some water."

Those who don't actually know us probably think I've been forbidding juice
and soda from birth to accomplish this "miracle".

Pam, who must, under interest of full disclosure, say that the other
daughter likes juice, soda AND milk better than water. ;)

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From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] small kids and mammal ecology
Date: Thu, Sep 5, 2002, 7:42 AM


The next morning the guest said "You used a whole gallon of milk last night.
I guess that's one way to get them to drink their milk."



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Betsy

**The river that runs through our little town is listed as endangered.
It's full of heavy metals and arsenic from mining and smelting wastes. **

A pretty cool picture book about cleaning up waterways is Chattanooga
Sludge by Molly Bang.

Betsy

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> I can. I hate those things. Them and s'mores; it's the marshmallow
> :::shudder::: Marshmallows and jello are just... ewww. (I will
> happily eat
> two of the three s'mores ingredients, separately.)

You can make them with Karo syrup and sugar and peanut butter and NO
marshmallows (I second your ewww ) and they're very good indeed.

Deb L

Karen

I always found the marshmallow unnecessary. Melt peanut butter, chocolate
chips, and butterscotch chips all together, stir in Rice Krispies. Food of
the gods.

Karen

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To: [email protected]
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> I can. I hate those things. Them and s'mores; it's the marshmallow
> :::shudder::: Marshmallows and jello are just... ewww. (I will
> happily eat
> two of the three s'mores ingredients, separately.)

You can make them with Karo syrup and sugar and peanut butter and NO
marshmallows (I second your ewww ) and they're very good indeed.

Deb L


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> I always found the marshmallow unnecessary. Melt peanut butter,
> chocolate
> chips, and butterscotch chips all together, stir in Rice Krispies.
> Food of
> the gods.

Oh my!

Deb L, salivating

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In a message dated 9/5/02 9:28:02 AM Central Daylight Time, ddzimlew@...
writes:


> Oh, oh, oh, I had to throw cake away yesterday! Chocolate! We were
> making a birthday cake and we still had some cake from the week, month?
> before.
> TV wasn't on at all yesterday even though we have Cartoon Network.
> Nobody ate any candy from the bowl on the table, (except the dog, which
> might explain why no one else wanted any)
> Some guilty party did eat two oranges...
> And my 10 year old didn't kill anyone in spite of the Quake and Medal of
> Honor games he's had for a year? now.
>
> So OK Miss Sarcasm<g>. He wouldn't spend all day EVERY day at the pond,
> just those times when the turtles and frogs and snakes and salamanders
> and dragonflies were out and about, and when he wasn't eating paper clips
> and banging his head on the wall because I never taught him to mop the
> floor...LOL
>
> Deb L
>
> On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:55:11 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
> >
> > In a message dated 9/5/02 6:46:34 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:
> >
> > << If we had a pond I'd never see my child...<g> >>
> >
> > Well get a Nintendo, because people SWEAR if you let them play all
> > they want
> > they will NEVER stop. Oh! And TV. Get cable. Satellite! Because
> > people
> > SWEAR if you let them watch all they want they'll never do anything
> > else.
> > And food. Get lots of food. Candy. Because I have been assured by
> > parents
> > who know their children better than anyone that if they're not told
> > when to
> > stop, they'll do nothing but eat junk all day.
> >
> > So NOBODY has to worry about kids doing the same thing all day,
> > because each
> > person only has one whole day per... day!
>
> > Sandra the reassuringly sarcastic

Thank you to the two smart @sses in the group! I have now peed my pants and
squirted iced tea out my nose. And did you know that hurts? Owww!
~Nancy~ who obviously needs to do more kegals!


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In a message dated 9/5/02 10:11:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> In a message dated 9/5/02 9:08:13 AM, ElissaJC@... writes:
>
> << Max just refused a Rice Crispie treat! >>
>
> Homemade or storebought?
>

Yeah, cause I can refuse store-bought, but homemade? NO Way!
~Nancy


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In a message dated 9/5/02 11:49:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:


> You can make them with Karo syrup and sugar and peanut butter and NO
> marshmallows (I second your ewww ) and they're very good indeed.
>
> Deb L

Do tell Deb!
~Nancy


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Store bought.
You're right, It would be more impressive if he refused the home made kind.
They are much better.
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160

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> > You can make them with Karo syrup and sugar and peanut butter and
> NO
> > marshmallows (I second your ewww ) and they're very good indeed.

> Do tell Deb!
> ~Nancy

Ok, 1 cup of Karo syrup, 1 cup of sugar, ( oh I can hear the rolling
eyeballs of all the healthy people out there ) bring it to a boil, stir
in 1 cup of peanut butter and 6 or 8 or whatever you can manage cups of
rice krispies.

Deb L

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> A pretty cool picture book about cleaning up waterways is
> Chattanooga
> Sludge by Molly Bang.

Thank you Betsy, I'll look for it.

Deb L

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In a message dated 9/5/02 6:27:44 PM Central Daylight Time, ddzimlew@...
writes:


> Do tell Deb!
> > ~Nancy
>
> Ok, 1 cup of Karo syrup, 1 cup of sugar, ( oh I can hear the rolling
> eyeballs of all the healthy people out there ) bring it to a boil, stir
> in 1 cup of peanut butter and 6 or 8 or whatever you can manage cups of
> rice krispies.
>
> Deb L

Now that sounds like heaven!
~Nancy


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Karin

Has anyone here ever tried an Australian snack called Chocolate Crackles?
I lived in Australia for about a year when I was 12 and my mom made these
from a recipe off a box of "rice bubbles" (rice crispies).
They don't use marshmallow in the recipe, they use a product called Copha,
which is a coconut derived vegetable shortening.

Well anyway, chocolate crackles are VERY yummy and I wish I could go out and
buy some Copha to make some here, but you can only buy the stuff in
Australia. I could mail order it, too, and may just do that, but with
shipping it'd cost around $15! It might be worth it, though.

Karin




> I always found the marshmallow unnecessary. Melt peanut butter, chocolate
> chips, and butterscotch chips all together, stir in Rice Krispies. Food of
> the gods.
>
> Karen
>
>

Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema

Would these be anything like 'Refrigerator Cookies'?
It's basically rice crispies (rice bubbles!), some cocoa powder, some
butter and I think some sugar and flour, warm it all, mix it with the rice
crispies and then drop it onto wax paper and pop it into the fridge or
freezer to chill. Fabulously yummy!

One of my favorites though is 'Puppy Chow'. Get some chex (a hexagonal
breakfast cereal made from rice or corn), pour in some melted chocolate
(thin with sugar and butter!), stir to cover the cereal with the chocolate,
then shake in a closed plastic bag with some powdered sugar to coat. Looks
JUST like puppy chow but tastes divine!
Heidi

At 06:16 PM 9/5/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Has anyone here ever tried an Australian snack called Chocolate Crackles?
>I lived in Australia for about a year when I was 12 and my mom made these
>from a recipe off a box of "rice bubbles" (rice crispies).
>They don't use marshmallow in the recipe, they use a product called Copha,
>which is a coconut derived vegetable shortening.

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One of my favorites though is 'Puppy Chow'. <snip>Heidi

I make it with half chocolate half peanut butter! MMMMM
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160

Karin

Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema" <heidi@...> wrote:

> Would these be anything like 'Refrigerator Cookies'?
> It's basically rice crispies (rice bubbles!), some cocoa powder, some
> butter and I think some sugar and flour, warm it all, mix it with the rice
> crispies and then drop it onto wax paper and pop it into the fridge or
> freezer to chill. Fabulously yummy!

No, I don't think Chocolate Crackles are Refrigerator Cookies, but they
sound very close. The recipe for CC is: 9 ounces Copha (coconut vegetable
shortening), 4 cups rice bubbles, 1 cup powdered sugar, 3 tbsp cocoa powder.
Melt Copha. Mix rice bubbles, powdered sugar and cocoa powder together, add
melted copha and mix well. Spoon into cupcake paper holders or spread in a
baking pan and cool in the fridge for 12-24 hours.

The Refrigerator Cookies sound very much the same and I think I'll try
making them. The only difference is the lack of Copha which adds a distinct
nutty coconut flavor that is very unique. Maybe just adding some shredded
coconut to the mix would do.


> One of my favorites though is 'Puppy Chow'. Get some chex (a hexagonal
> breakfast cereal made from rice or corn), pour in some melted chocolate
> (thin with sugar and butter!), stir to cover the cereal with the
chocolate,
> then shake in a closed plastic bag with some powdered sugar to coat.
Looks
> JUST like puppy chow but tastes divine!
> Heidi

I think I'll try this one too. I know my kids and hubby would love it!
Thanks for sharing these recipes!

Karin

meghanfire

--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/5/02 9:08:13 AM, ElissaJC@c... writes:
>
> << Max just refused a Rice Crispie treat! >>
>
> Homemade or storebought?

Tamzin won't eat the storebought ones. She says they're "icky".
She also doesn't like boxed macaroni and cheese, says "it
doesn't even taste like cheese!". I guess it's because she was
raised on homemade 'cause they didn't have boxed stuff in the
UK. I tried the boxed stuff when I came back here and thought it
was totally gross! I used to live on the stuff, especially in college
<g>.

Meghan

meghanfire

--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Pam Hartley <pamhartley@m...>
wrote:
> Michael-Anne (4 almost 5) loves water above any other drink.
Almost everyone
> we encounter who offers the child juice, soda, or water
comments when she
> says gratefully, "Water." If they offer only soda and juice, she
will muster
> herself (she's not wild about speaking to people, our Mikey,
including us!)
> and say, "Well, I really wanted some water."
>
> Those who don't actually know us probably think I've been
forbidding juice
> and soda from birth to accomplish this "miracle".
>
> Pam, who must, under interest of full disclosure, say that the
other
> daughter likes juice, soda AND milk better than water. ;)


LOL! This is so Tamzin. She drinks loads of water. It's definitely
her drink of choice (actually, it's mine as well <g>). Recently,
she's decided that she likes colas. Up till now, she's hated
anything 'fizzy'. I have to say, I don't like the idea of her downing
lots of cola (because of the phosphoric acid and other chemicals
in it) and have found natural colas made by Blue Sky. They taste
great and they don't have chemicals or caffine in them (just tons
of sugar <g>). Tamzin prefers them because "it doesn't make
me feel jittery". God, I sound like an advert.

Meghan

meghanfire

--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., "Karen" <kbmatlock@a...> wrote:
> I always found the marshmallow unnecessary. Melt peanut
butter, chocolate
> chips, and butterscotch chips all together, stir in Rice Krispies.
Food of
> the gods.
>
> Karen

Ooh, that sounds good!

Meghan

Bill and Diane

Yeah. Get TV--but you don't have to get cable or satellite, because it
doesn't matter what's on--they'll watch it ALL day anyway!

:-) Diane

>>Well get a Nintendo, because people SWEAR if you let them play all
>>they want
>>they will NEVER stop. Oh! And TV. Get cable. Satellite! Because
>>people
>>SWEAR if you let them watch all they want they'll never do anything
>>else.
>>And food. Get lots of food. Candy. Because I have been assured by
>>parents
>>who know their children better than anyone that if they're not told
>>when to
>>stop, they'll do nothing but eat junk all day.
>>
>>So NOBODY has to worry about kids doing the same thing all day,
>>because each
>>person only has one whole day per... day!
>>
>>Sandra the reassuringly sarcastic
>>

Sharon Rudd

Sky Juice = water :-)

Sharon of the Swamp

--- meghanfire <meghan@...> wrote:
> --- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Pam Hartley
> <pamhartley@m...>
> wrote:
> > Michael-Anne (4 almost 5) loves water above any
> other drink.
> Almost everyone
> > we encounter who offers the child juice, soda, or
> water
> comments when she
> > says gratefully, "Water." If they offer only soda
> and juice, she
> will muster
> > herself (she's not wild about speaking to people,
> our Mikey,
> including us!)
> > and say, "Well, I really wanted some water."
> >
> > Those who don't actually know us probably think
> I've been
> forbidding juice
> > and soda from birth to accomplish this "miracle".
> >
> > Pam, who must, under interest of full disclosure,
> say that the
> other
> > daughter likes juice, soda AND milk better than
> water. ;)
>
>
> LOL! This is so Tamzin. She drinks loads of water.
> It's definitely
> her drink of choice (actually, it's mine as well
> <g>). Recently,
> she's decided that she likes colas. Up till now,
> she's hated
> anything 'fizzy'. I have to say, I don't like the
> idea of her downing
> lots of cola (because of the phosphoric acid and
> other chemicals
> in it) and have found natural colas made by Blue
> Sky. They taste
> great and they don't have chemicals or caffine in
> them (just tons
> of sugar <g>). Tamzin prefers them because "it
> doesn't make
> me feel jittery". God, I sound like an advert.
>
> Meghan
>
>


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In a message dated 9/7/02 2:38:46 AM, meghan@... writes:

<< and have found natural colas made by Blue Sky. >>

Hooray for New Mexico! <g>