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Karin,
Would you like me to send you the information on the origins of the pledge so
you have that for family? I wouldn't give it to them unless it came up again,
but I might inform my kids....it's very interesting and well worth knowing in
my opinion.
Why don't we memorize something useful? I think it's just another form of
brainwashing people.

Ren, willing to be labeled "UnAmerican" to stand by her beliefs

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In a message dated 9/3/02 8:29:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:


> Karin,
> Would you like me to send you the information on the origins of the pledge
> so
> you have that for family? I wouldn't give it to them unless it came up
> again,
> but I might inform my kids....it's very interesting and well worth knowing
> in
> my opinion.
> Why don't we memorize something useful? I think it's just another form of
> brainwashing people.
>
> Ren, willing to be labeled "UnAmerican" to stand by her beliefs

Ren, I would be very interested in reading this, if you have time.
~Nancy


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In a message dated 9/3/02 9:19:50 PM Central Daylight Time, Dnowens@...
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> Ren, I would be very interested in reading this, if you have time.
> ~Nancy

I googled it! I knew Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge. First published in the
magazine Youths Companion. But I didn't know he was a socialist, or that the
pledge was written to booster sales of the flag by Youths Companion to
schools! Wow!!! What an enlightenment!
~Nancy


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Karin

Sure Ren! I'd be interested in whatever information you have on the pledge -
even if just for sharing with my kids and hubby. I like being informed. Why
not just share it with the list - I bet others here are interested too. :o)

Karin





> Karin,
> Would you like me to send you the information on the origins of the pledge
so
> you have that for family? I wouldn't give it to them unless it came up
again,
> but I might inform my kids....it's very interesting and well worth knowing
in
> my opinion.
> Why don't we memorize something useful? I think it's just another form of
> brainwashing people.
>
> Ren, willing to be labeled "UnAmerican" to stand by her beliefs
>

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Ren, send what you've got to me please!!!
~Elissa Cleaveland
An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160

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In a message dated 9/4/02 9:14:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< I googled it! I knew Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge. First published in
the
magazine Youths Companion. But I didn't know he was a socialist, or that the
pledge was written to booster sales of the flag by Youths Companion to
schools! Wow!!! What an enlightenment!
~Nancy >>

Yep, that's how I found it too Nancy!! Sent it to several people, probably
pissed some off. I felt very enlightened after reading that. Glad you found
it, I was going to google it again to post it here.

Ren

Shyrley

On 3 Sep 02, at 21:28, starsuncloud@... wrote:

> Karin,
> Would you like me to send you the information on the origins of the
> pledge so you have that for family? I wouldn't give it to them unless
> it came up again, but I might inform my kids....it's very interesting
> and well worth knowing in my opinion. Why don't we memorize something
> useful? I think it's just another form of brainwashing people.
>
> Ren, willing to be labeled "UnAmerican" to stand by her beliefs
>
I wouldn't let my kids recite the pledge. Why should I. I am
labelled an 'alien' must carry an 'alien registration card' with me at
all times and I can be deported for ANY offence including speeding.

My kids ain't pledging allegience to a country that only just
tolerates my prescence here.

Grrrrrrr

Shyrley the alien
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."

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In a message dated 9/5/02 11:34:10 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:

<< I can be deported for ANY offence including speeding. >>

I didn't know that. It would be cheaper for them to just fine you like they
do the rest of us!

Maybe if they stop you and you spout off at the cop in that incomprehensible
Monty-Python accent, well YEAH! They'll send you back to your socialist
motherland.

But the first time I was visiting England BBC as showing re-runs of old Dukes
of Hazard shows, and this last time they were watching Little House on the
Prairie. So you've got a good-old-boy American accent to use in case you
speed, get stopped, and still want to stay here with the rest of us speeding
hicks.

Sandra, whose daughter states the speed limit calmly whenever I go over it.

Sharon Rudd

>
> << I can be deported for ANY offence including
> speeding. >>
>
I'm aquanted with Europeans with international
licenses who never pay their fines or respond to
tickets. They also do not pay attention to speed
limits. They DO stop when the siren and lights go on.
Then proceed on their way. I do not recommend this
practice....but these volk declare that they do do
this. Perhaps they don't really, and were only showing
off to each other........

........................
> whose daughter states the speed limit calmly
> whenever I go over it.

My boys always did this, too, and if the turn
indicator didn't turn off automatically.

Sharon of the Swamp









>


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Shyrley

On 5 Sep 02, at 13:56, SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 9/5/02 11:34:10 AM, shyrley.williams@...
> writes:
>
> << I can be deported for ANY offence including speeding. >>
>
> I didn't know that. It would be cheaper for them to just fine you
> like they do the rest of us!


Generally they do. I've never heard of anybody being deported for
that but the option is there if the Govt took a dislike to aliens.
>
> Maybe if they stop you and you spout off at the cop in that
> incomprehensible Monty-Python accent, well YEAH! They'll send you
> back to your socialist motherland.

Which Monty Python accent would that be? And anyhow, I don't
have an accent. You lot do :-)
Socialist? Tony Blair? He's so far up Dubya's backside we haven't
seen him for a while.

>
> But the first time I was visiting England BBC as showing re-runs of
> old Dukes of Hazard shows, and this last time they were watching
> Little House on the Prairie. So you've got a good-old-boy American
> accent to use in case you speed, get stopped, and still want to stay
> here with the rest of us speeding hicks.

I can do a real good southern one. And dribble.
Apologies to southerners...

> Sandra, whose daughter states the speed limit calmly whenever I go
> over it.
>
My kids do that but I rarely speed. I get more enjoyment going 1
mph under it here in uptight VA.

Shyrley


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In a message dated 9/5/02 3:51:33 PM, shyrley.williams@... writes:

<< Which Monty Python accent would that be? >>

The kind brits can understand and Americans can't.

I saw an English movie that was subtitled, and GOOD THING, because I would
have understood maybe 1/4 of it. Riff Raff, with Robert Carlyle. I don't
know if the video was subtitled even in England. I guess I doubt it. But
for some reason they rent it across the vacant street from my house. There
are lots of different accents and a ton of slang.

Sandra