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In a message dated 23/08/02 02:00:34 GMT Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> It's very tricky getting into a UK university without A levels.
>

Have you considered the Open University? No entry requirements, they could do
a few credits & then transfer to a bricks & mortar university, or do their
whole degree through them. <A HREF="http://www.open.ac.uk/">The Open University home page, UK</A> Although the
website states that students should be over 18, some schools have offered OU
modules alongside A levels, so its not a cast iron rule. You can often buy
cousre materials 2nd hand to preview before you sign up.
hth
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Is the Open U open to furriners? Are there graduate
degrees?

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[email protected] writes:


> Is the Open U open to furriners? Are there graduate
> degrees?
>
> Thanks
> Sharon of the Swamp
>

Most of the undergraduate courses are only available to people in the EU, or
in the forces. Some of the postgrad courses are open worldwide (see
http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/essential/worldwide.shtm)
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Thanks
Sharon of the Swamp

--- atwttmab@... wrote:
> In a message dated 23/08/02 13:02:59 GMT Daylight
> Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > Is the Open U open to furriners? Are there
> graduate
> > degrees?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sharon of the Swamp
> >
>
> Most of the undergraduate courses are only available
> to people in the EU, or
> in the forces. Some of the postgrad courses are open
> worldwide (see
>
http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/essential/worldwide.shtm)
> Lynda
> mum to 3
>
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>
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On 23 Aug 02, at 5:01, Sharon Rudd wrote:

> Is the Open U open to furriners? Are there graduate
> degrees?
>
> Thanks
> Sharon of the Swamp
>
>

They've just opened in the US. I saw an advert on TV the other
night. Failed to note the adress mind.

Shyrley


"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."

Shyrley

On 23 Aug 02, at 7:33, atwttmab@... wrote:

> In a message dated 23/08/02 02:00:34 GMT Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > It's very tricky getting into a UK university without A levels.
> >
>
> Have you considered the Open University? No entry requirements, they
> could do a few credits & then transfer to a bricks & mortar
> university, or do their whole degree through them.
> Although the website states that students should be over 18, some
> schools have offered OU modules alongside A levels, so its not a cast
> iron rule. You can often buy cousre materials 2nd hand to preview
> before you sign up. hth Lynda mum to 3
>

My thoughts exactly. There's nothing stopping anyone doing an OU
degree part time while working to earn the money to pay for it. In
fact, I think that ina way its more useful because the student will
have work expereinece too.
The downside (in the UK at least) is that OU degrees are
expensive. We don't pay tuition for our degrees. They are free to
UK residents. Poorer students get a government grant while richer
ones borrow the money from the Student Loans Company with no
interest.
I enjoyed my 3 years at university. There was a lot of drinking
invloved ( another UK thing - you can drink at 18. Perfect timing for
entering university). It's fun.
I still think that any self-motivated person can go from zero
knowledge to an A level in the required 2 years. I've seen HE
children do that. One took A level maths in 9 months having never
looked at a math textbook becasue it was important to the CHILD.

My house seems to be a microcosm of the outside world. Me, a
HE mum who is convinced unschooling in the way to go, my
husband, who is horrified at the lack of lessons and brings up all
those tired old arguments that we are often faced with and our
children who are stuck in the middle.
I've tried telling my husband that even if it all goes horribly wrong
they can always go to college (high school for anyone over 16) and
do traditional A levels. They can go at any age. University doesn't
have to be done at 18. I went at 20 myself. A levels are free up to
the age of 19. I told him I will personally go out to work to pay for
them if the kids are older than that and want them :-)

Seeing my in-laws is a nightmare. FIL is university Professor who
looks down on anyone without a degree (UK degrees are more
elitist than the ones here. Fewer people go as the entry
requirements for university are stricter). He refers to them as
'plebs'. MIL teaches physics at A level and thinks Science is some
kind of higher calling. It's an obsession with her.
You can now see where DH gets these attitudes from. He went to
a private school and excelled academically (you can see why can't
ya!), went to a prestigious university then got a PhD in 2 years.
And now he's married to me. Purple haired hippy who'd rather take
the kids hiking and socialise with fellow humans. He spends all
day with DoD scientists and then he comes home to chaos. Dirty
dishes in the sink, laundry everywhere and the kids and me have
learned to build a lego fort :-)
Poor man.

Shyrley who rambled on more than she planned


Chaos, panic and disorder - my work is done here.

Tia Leschke

>Is the Open U open to furriners? Are there graduate
>degrees?

I think there are lots of places offering distance ed at the university
level now. Try these:

http://www.online-colleges-degrees-programs.org/
http://www.online-college-degree-resources.com/
http://www.distance-online-education-programs.com/

I haven't had a look, but you might find something there.
Tia

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You have purple hair?
Cool!
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An unlesson'd girl, unschool'd, unpractic'd;
Happy in this, she is not so old
But she may learn.
W.S. The Merchant of Venice III, ii, 160

Betsy

**Seeing my in-laws is a nightmare. FIL is university Professor who
looks down on anyone without a degree (UK degrees are more
elitist than the ones here. Fewer people go as the entry
requirements for university are stricter). He refers to them as
'plebs'. MIL teaches physics at A level and thinks Science is some
kind of higher calling. It's an obsession with her.
You can now see where DH gets these attitudes from. He went to
a private school and excelled academically (you can see why can't
ya!), went to a prestigious university then got a PhD in 2 years.
And now he's married to me. Purple haired hippy who'd rather take
the kids hiking and socialise with fellow humans. He spends all
day with DoD scientists and then he comes home to chaos. Dirty
dishes in the sink, laundry everywhere and the kids and me have
learned to build a lego fort :-)**


Without chaos and dirty dishes we wouldn't have penicillin, would we?

I wonder if your husband can think back and recall why he married you.
I'm guessing that he found out a top test score doesn't keep you warm at
night. And maybe he wanted someone who was a few degrees warmer and
more compassionate than his mother? (I apologize in advance if this
sounds too personal. It's meant to be thoughtful, not snippy.)

Have you seen the movie A Beautiful Mind? I haven't, but from the
reviews I gather that it does convey why mathematicians might need wives.

Betsy

PS I once heard of research about British people who grew up to be
"polymaths" (geniuses in more than one field?) which stated that what
they had in common was lots of time as children to think their own
thoughts and persue their own interests. If we could track down the
source of that information do you think your husband would find it persuasive?

Shyrley

On 23 Aug 02, at 9:26, Betsy wrote:

> **Seeing my in-laws is a nightmare. FIL is university Professor who
> looks down on anyone without a degree (UK degrees are more elitist
> than the ones here. Fewer people go as the entry requirements for
> university are stricter). He refers to them as 'plebs'. MIL teaches
> physics at A level and thinks Science is some kind of higher calling.
> It's an obsession with her. You can now see where DH gets these
> attitudes from. He went to a private school and excelled academically
> (you can see why can't ya!), went to a prestigious university then got
> a PhD in 2 years. And now he's married to me. Purple haired hippy
> who'd rather take the kids hiking and socialise with fellow humans. He
> spends all day with DoD scientists and then he comes home to chaos.
> Dirty dishes in the sink, laundry everywhere and the kids and me have
> learned to build a lego fort :-)**
>
>
> Without chaos and dirty dishes we wouldn't have penicillin, would we?
>
> I wonder if your husband can think back and recall why he married you.
> I'm guessing that he found out a top test score doesn't keep you warm
> at night. And maybe he wanted someone who was a few degrees warmer
> and more compassionate than his mother? (I apologize in advance if
> this sounds too personal. It's meant to be thoughtful, not snippy.)

Feel free to be snippy about my in-laws :-)

>
> Have you seen the movie A Beautiful Mind? I haven't, but from the
> reviews I gather that it does convey why mathematicians might need
> wives.

You're about the 5th person to recommend this. I'm going to go and
join a video store as soon as I've cleared a path to the front door.
>
> Betsy
>
> PS I once heard of research about British people who grew up to be
> "polymaths" (geniuses in more than one field?) which stated that what
> they had in common was lots of time as children to think their own
> thoughts and persue their own interests. If we could track down the
> source of that information do you think your husband would find it
> persuasive?
>

Yes please. Sounds good.

Shyrley

PS. There's a light rain outside!!!!!!!! First wet stuff from the sky in
about 7 weeks!!!!!!!!!


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Shyrley

On 23 Aug 02, at 11:30, ElissaJC@... wrote:

> You have purple hair?
> Cool!
> ~Elissa Cleaveland

It was pink for ages n ages then I found some prurple a few weeks
ago. I will be easily spotted at the conference in SC. Tall, purple
hair and a brit accent with 3 brit kids following me around.

Shyrley


"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."

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In a message dated 8/23/02 10:29:55 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:

<< Feel free to be snippy about my in-laws :-) >>

Are your inlaws brit too? I thought you'd married an American.

I can rough up americans easier. <g>

Sandra

Shyrley

On 23 Aug 02, at 12:48, SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 8/23/02 10:29:55 AM, shyrley.williams@...
> writes:
>
> << Feel free to be snippy about my in-laws :-) >>
>
> Are your inlaws brit too? I thought you'd married an American.
>
> I can rough up americans easier. <g>
>
> Sandra
>
They are english. They were working at some University in Illinois
when DH was born. This acquired him his US citizenship. He spent
1 year in the US then never returned until last year when we moved
here.
He's not a *real* American.

Shyrley


"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."

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In a message dated 8/23/02 11:02:36 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:

<< They were working at some University in Illinois
when DH was born. This acquired him his US citizenship. He spent
1 year in the US then never returned until last year when we moved
here.
He's not a *real* American. >>

That makes it all much more difficult.

When they start jabbering incoherently about A levels and O levels and
treacle it will throw me off balance.

Damn.

Kate Green

> That makes it all much more difficult.
>
> When they start jabbering incoherently about A levels and O levels and
> treacle it will throw me off balance.


Yep those kind of discussions can become kind of sticky.
>
> Damn.
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In a message dated 8/23/02 11:14:03 AM, karegree@... writes:

<< > When they start jabbering incoherently about A levels and O levels and
> treacle it will throw me off balance.


<<Yep those kind of discussions can become kind of sticky. >>

NO KIDDING.

And once I show the least hesitation they'll be offering to knock me up with
a runcible rubber.

Nancy Wooton

on 8/23/02 9:26 AM, Betsy at ecsamhill@... wrote:

> Without chaos and dirty dishes we wouldn't have penicillin, would we?

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, do do, do do do do do do...

;-) Nancy

Sharon Rudd

Thanks...have checked in past...OU sounded different,
a little. I'll pass it on to DS1 who gave up truck
driving to finish his degree in anthropology. Only a
coupla classes to go.

Thanks again
Sharon of the Swamp

--- Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
>
> >Is the Open U open to furriners? Are there
> graduate
> >degrees?
>
> I think there are lots of places offering distance
> ed at the university
> level now. Try these:
>
> http://www.online-colleges-degrees-programs.org/
> http://www.online-college-degree-resources.com/
> http://www.distance-online-education-programs.com/
>
> I haven't had a look, but you might find something
> there.
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your
> consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
> *********************************************
> Tia Leschke
> leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
>
>
>
>
>
>


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On 23 Aug 02, at 12:27, Betsy wrote:

> **It was pink for ages n ages then I found some prurple a few weeks
> ago. I will be easily spotted at the conference in SC. Tall, purple
> hair and a brit accent with 3 brit kids following me around.**
>
> People may be especially likely to bump into you if you walk on the
> "wrong side" of the road (or corridor).
>
> :::::: grinning :::::::::
>
> Betsy
>

They should all move.
I am, of course, on the correct side :-)

S


"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."

Betsy

**> PS I once heard of research about British people who grew up to be
> "polymaths" (geniuses in more than one field?) which stated that what
> they had in common was lots of time as children to think their own
> thoughts and persue their own interests. If we could track down the
> source of that information do you think your husband would find it
> persuasive?
>

Yes please. Sounds good.**


Does what I said sound familiar to anyone? I must have heard it online
on one of these lists or in an Alfie Kohn or Howard Gardner book or
something. Ring any bells?

Betsy

Betsy

**It was pink for ages n ages then I found some prurple a few weeks
ago. I will be easily spotted at the conference in SC. Tall, purple
hair and a brit accent with 3 brit kids following me around.**

People may be especially likely to bump into you if you walk on the
"wrong side" of the road (or corridor).

:::::: grinning :::::::::

Betsy

Shyrley

On 23 Aug 02, at 12:27, Betsy wrote:

> **It was pink for ages n ages then I found some prurple a few weeks
> ago. I will be easily spotted at the conference in SC. Tall, purple
> hair and a brit accent with 3 brit kids following me around.**
>
> People may be especially likely to bump into you if you walk on the
> "wrong side" of the road (or corridor).
>
> :::::: grinning :::::::::
>
> Betsy
>

They should all move.
I am, of course, on the correct side :-)

S


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In a message dated 8/23/02 1:25:51 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:

<< Does what I said sound familiar to anyone? I must have heard it online
on one of these lists or in an Alfie Kohn or Howard Gardner book or
something. Ring any bells?

Betsy >>

Google.
It rings that "use google" bell. <g>

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In a message dated 8/23/02 12:36:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> << > When they start jabbering incoherently about A levels and O levels and
> > treacle it will throw me off balance.
>
>
> <<Yep those kind of discussions can become kind of sticky. >>
>
> NO KIDDING.
>
> And once I show the least hesitation they'll be offering to knock me up
> with
> a runcible rubber.
>

Okay, the phrase *knock me up* (to me) means you got pregnant. A runcible is
a serving utensil? A spoon/fork thing with sharp prongs? So what is a
runcible rubber? And how do you get knocked up with one? {OUCH}
~Nancy


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sharon Rudd

Didn't the guy who put cake crumbs in the rhinoserous
skin use a runcible (pot? dish?) or something?
Kipling.

Sharon of the Swamp

--- Dnowens@... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/23/02 12:36:31 PM Central
> Daylight Time,
> SandraDodd@... writes:
>
>
> > << > When they start jabbering incoherently about
> A levels and O levels and
> > > treacle it will throw me off balance.
> >
> >
> > <<Yep those kind of discussions can become kind of
> sticky. >>
> >
> > NO KIDDING.
> >
> > And once I show the least hesitation they'll be
> offering to knock me up
> > with
> > a runcible rubber.
> >
>
> Okay, the phrase *knock me up* (to me) means you got
> pregnant. A runcible is
> a serving utensil? A spoon/fork thing with sharp
> prongs? So what is a
> runcible rubber? And how do you get knocked up with
> one? {OUCH}
> ~Nancy
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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Or was it by the light of a runcible moon?


--- Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...> wrote:
> Didn't the guy who put cake crumbs in the
> rhinoserous
> skin use a runcible (pot? dish?) or something?
> Kipling.
>
> Sharon of the Swamp
>
> --- Dnowens@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/23/02 12:36:31 PM Central
> > Daylight Time,
> > SandraDodd@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > << > When they start jabbering incoherently
> about
> > A levels and O levels and
> > > > treacle it will throw me off balance.
> > >
> > >
> > > <<Yep those kind of discussions can become kind
> of
> > sticky. >>
> > >
> > > NO KIDDING.
> > >
> > > And once I show the least hesitation they'll be
> > offering to knock me up
> > > with
> > > a runcible rubber.
> > >
> >
> > Okay, the phrase *knock me up* (to me) means you
> got
> > pregnant. A runcible is
> > a serving utensil? A spoon/fork thing with sharp
> > prongs? So what is a
> > runcible rubber? And how do you get knocked up
> with
> > one? {OUCH}
> > ~Nancy
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
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Betsy

**

In a message dated 8/23/02 1:25:51 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:

<< Does what I said sound familiar to anyone? I must have heard it online
on one of these lists or in an Alfie Kohn or Howard Gardner book or
something. Ring any bells?

Betsy >>

Google.
It rings that "use google" bell. <g>**


I've been googling without finding what I remember. It seems like every
polymath and his brother has a website! <g> And all the dead polymaths
have biographers!

Even these terms combined yielded 98 hits:
polymath British childhood develop*

And
polymath childhood education research
gives 252 hits!



Betsy

Fetteroll

on 8/23/02 12:26 PM, Betsy at ecsamhill@... wrote:

> PS I once heard of research about British people who grew up to be
> "polymaths" (geniuses in more than one field?) which stated that what
> they had in common was lots of time as children to think their own
> thoughts and persue their own interests. If we could track down the
> source of that information do you think your husband would find it persuasive?

Did you read Frank Smith's Book of Learning and Forgetting? Or the Teen Lib
book? (I only suggest those since it sounds familiar to me too and I haven't
read that many books on learning.)

Joyce

Betsy

**Did you read Frank Smith's Book of Learning and Forgetting? Or the
Teen Lib
book? (I only suggest those since it sounds familiar to me too and I haven't
read that many books on learning.)**


Yes, Joyce, I read both of those. I don't seem to be able to narrow it
down much. (But I reread The Book of Learning and Forgetting recently
and don't think it was in there.)

It could also be Alfie Kohn, or Howard Gardner or darned near anyone. I
think most likely it was a book or magazine article and not a
parent-post like on this list.

Betsy