Marla Kaye Serrine

How awful for her to be labelling her children! And the unfortunate
"ungifted" one! Geez! I think I'm gonna be sick! Perhaps 'Controlled
Unschooling' (isn't that an oxymoron?) is a better term. I guess I'm not
in such a magnanamous mood as you were. Please forgive my jumping in
with a negative post.

My name is Marla and I try to unschool my 3 boys (7, 3 and 1) and the 7
year old goes from the TV to the computer to his gameboy back to the TV
unless I take a stand and make him go outside to play (without the
Gameboy)!! He's learned to read on his own (I just read books to him)
and I swear he will write his own computer game programs soon. I'm
having a hard time deschooling myself and occasionally I will push math
problems on the 7 year old (he's a whiz at it, really) to appease my dh
who is afraid the kids are learning nothing all day.

Love, Marla

PS Pokemon is a learning experience in itself! Wow, the creative minds
that come up with this stuff!! I'm surprised how much I can talk with my
7 year old now that he tells me all about the Pokemon he has captured
and how he did it and what type they are and how they evolve and what
special attacks they have and on and on.

--
"The things that come to those who wait are usually the things left by
those who got there first."

>
> I had this bizarre conversation with this woman who talked about her
> Prodigy
>
> Children (I know many people who have Prodigy Children. I do not.) and
> that
>
> she was unschooling them. I was in a magnanimous mood, so I did not
> get into
>
> the whole idea of "unschooling them." But as she talked about all the
>
> Prodigious Activities her PC's were participating in, I wondered aloud
> at how
>
> motivated they must be, to be doing so much, as Unschoolers.
>
>
> She explained that, "Of course, my children are Gifted (well, except for
>
> Nate), so we have begun Accelerated Unschooling." Apparently, Accelerated
>
> Unschooling is a New Movement where one plunges one's child into
> intensive
>
> actitives everytime he or she casually mentions an interest that could be
>
> academic or Arts related.
>
>
> So, I started thinking about what REAL Accelerated Unschooling would look
>
> like. I decided it has very little to do with your kid. I think it's
> speedily
>
> letting go of all those preconceived notions about Education and
> Learning.
>
> It's very quickly getting past those "Ohmygod,
> I'mdestroyingmychild'slife!"
>
> episodes.
>
>
> Oh, Poor little Nate, age 7 and the Ungifted one, participates in
> Accelerated
>
> Unschooling, too, because, mysteriously enough, his only interest is
> Pokemon.
>
> Therefore he gets to do ALL the things his Gifted brothers and sister do,
>
> because, even though he's NOT gifted, "we don't want him to fall behind."
>
>
> Have any of you heard of Accelerated Unschooling? This woman says
> there are
>
> support groups throughout the country, but I couldn't even find a web
> site
>
> notice about it.
>
>
> Kathryn

[email protected]

I had this bizarre conversation with this woman who talked about her Prodigy
Children (I know many people who have Prodigy Children. I do not.) and that
she was unschooling them. I was in a magnanimous mood, so I did not get into
the whole idea of "unschooling them." But as she talked about all the
Prodigious Activities her PC's were participating in, I wondered aloud at how
motivated they must be, to be doing so much, as Unschoolers.

She explained that, "Of course, my children are Gifted (well, except for
Nate), so we have begun Accelerated Unschooling." Apparently, Accelerated
Unschooling is a New Movement where one plunges one's child into intensive
actitives everytime he or she casually mentions an interest that could be
academic or Arts related.

So, I started thinking about what REAL Accelerated Unschooling would look
like. I decided it has very little to do with your kid. I think it's speedily
letting go of all those preconceived notions about Education and Learning.
It's very quickly getting past those "Ohmygod, I'mdestroyingmychild'slife!"
episodes.

Oh, Poor little Nate, age 7 and the Ungifted one, participates in Accelerated
Unschooling, too, because, mysteriously enough, his only interest is Pokemon.
Therefore he gets to do ALL the things his Gifted brothers and sister do,
because, even though he's NOT gifted, "we don't want him to fall behind."

Have any of you heard of Accelerated Unschooling? This woman says there are
support groups throughout the country, but I couldn't even find a web site
notice about it.

Kathryn


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Bill and Diane

No, I've never heard of Accellerated Unschooling, and it sounds like the
stupidest thing in the (heavily stupid, at times) world!

MY children are gifted, too, without exception, and WE (please read this
sentence with facetious emphasis) unschool like this: get train books
from the library, ride on trains, go to train museums, play with train
sets at home, play with train sets at toy stores and bookstores, read
books and websites about trains, etc.

Does Poor Nate get to do any Pokemon, in and around all this
Unschooling? Somehow, I doubt it. Why do all these people think
Unschooling sounds so cool they have to say it even if they couldn't
fathom doing it?

:-) Diane
NOT Bill

>I had this bizarre conversation with this woman who talked about her Prodigy
>Children (I know many people who have Prodigy Children. I do not.) and that
>she was unschooling them. I was in a magnanimous mood, so I did not get into
>the whole idea of "unschooling them." But as she talked about all the
>Prodigious Activities her PC's were participating in, I wondered aloud at how
>motivated they must be, to be doing so much, as Unschoolers.
>
>She explained that, "Of course, my children are Gifted (well, except for
>Nate), so we have begun Accelerated Unschooling." Apparently, Accelerated
>Unschooling is a New Movement where one plunges one's child into intensive
>actitives everytime he or she casually mentions an interest that could be
>academic or Arts related.
>
>So, I started thinking about what REAL Accelerated Unschooling would look
>like. I decided it has very little to do with your kid. I think it's speedily
>letting go of all those preconceived notions about Education and Learning.
>It's very quickly getting past those "Ohmygod, I'mdestroyingmychild'slife!"
>episodes.
>
>Oh, Poor little Nate, age 7 and the Ungifted one, participates in Accelerated
>Unschooling, too, because, mysteriously enough, his only interest is Pokemon.
>Therefore he gets to do ALL the things his Gifted brothers and sister do,
>because, even though he's NOT gifted, "we don't want him to fall behind."
>
>Have any of you heard of Accelerated Unschooling? This woman says there are
>support groups throughout the country, but I couldn't even find a web site
>notice about it.
>

[email protected]

This is very strange. I've never heard of this but there are a lot of
folks out there with weird ideas about unschooling. There are just plain
a lot of folks with weird ideas about kids.

Poor Nate.

Deb L

birdiebutt2001

Accelerated Unschooling sounds like a sure fire way to make sure your
kids never tell you what they are really interested in. Geez what a
wacky idea. Sounds like mom has a some big issues :).

Oh yeah, and Pokemon. My husband was breifly into it. And I love
figuring out the names. And making the connections with the names
and what they do. Ok I have a lot of time on my hands but the names
are cool and a lot of them are informative if you break them down.
It has renewed my intrest in scientific names for animals and things
names that really mean something. Makes me really want to learn
latin *sigh* it's amazing how things flow together.

Katie

--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., KathrynJB@a... wrote:
> I had this bizarre conversation with this woman who talked about
her Prodigy
> Children (I know many people who have Prodigy Children. I do not.)
and that
> she was unschooling them. I was in a magnanimous mood, so I did not
get into
> the whole idea of "unschooling them." But as she talked about all
the
> Prodigious Activities her PC's were participating in, I wondered
aloud at how
> motivated they must be, to be doing so much, as Unschoolers.
>
> She explained that, "Of course, my children are Gifted (well,
except for
> Nate), so we have begun Accelerated Unschooling." Apparently,
Accelerated
> Unschooling is a New Movement where one plunges one's child into
intensive
> actitives everytime he or she casually mentions an interest that
could be
> academic or Arts related.
>
> So, I started thinking about what REAL Accelerated Unschooling
would look
> like. I decided it has very little to do with your kid. I think
it's speedily
> letting go of all those preconceived notions about Education and
Learning.
> It's very quickly getting past those "Ohmygod,
I'mdestroyingmychild'slife!"
> episodes.
>
> Oh, Poor little Nate, age 7 and the Ungifted one, participates in
Accelerated
> Unschooling, too, because, mysteriously enough, his only interest
is Pokemon.
> Therefore he gets to do ALL the things his Gifted brothers and
sister do,
> because, even though he's NOT gifted, "we don't want him to fall
behind."
>
> Have any of you heard of Accelerated Unschooling? This woman says
there are
> support groups throughout the country, but I couldn't even find a
web site
> notice about it.
>
> Kathryn
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

meghanfire

<<<<--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., KathrynJB@a... wrote:

> She explained that, "Of course, my children are Gifted (well,
except for Nate), so we have begun Accelerated Unschooling."
Apparently, Accelerated Unschooling is a New Movement where
one plunges one's child into intensive actitives everytime he or
she casually mentions an interest that could be academic or Arts
related.>>>>

Well, if I were her kids, I'm sure I would learn to keep my mouth
shut so I wouldn't be 'Accelerated' into boredom and/or overload.

>
<<<<> So, I started thinking about what REAL Accelerated
Unschooling would look like. I decided it has very little to do with
your kid. I think it's speedily letting go of all those preconceived
notions about Education and Learning. It's very quickly getting
past those "Ohmygod, I'mdestroyingmychild'slife!" episodes. >>>

It sounds to me like she's trying to pin a 'cool' sounding label
(Why is unschooling perceived to be so 'cool' anyway?) whilst
still trying to stay in control of her kid's education. In my opinion,
there can be no such thing as accelerated unschooling. You
either let your kids learn what they want at their own mental pace
and for how long (or short) a time as they want, or you don't
unschool. Period.
>
<<<<> Oh, Poor little Nate, age 7 and the Ungifted one,
participates in Accelerated Unschooling, too, because,
mysteriously enough, his only interest is Pokemon. Therefore
he gets to do ALL the things his Gifted brothers and sister do,
because, even though he's NOT gifted, "we don't want him to fall
behind.">>>>

How sad for these kids (both 'gifted' and 'ungifted') to be so
labeled and judged by their parents :-(
How can an unschooler 'fall behind'? It's not possible!
It's a shame this mom can't see how much can be learned from
Pokemon. Maybe you could point that out to her.
>
<<<<> Have any of you heard of Accelerated Unschooling? This
woman says there are support groups throughout the country,
but I couldn't even find a web site notice about it.>>>>

I think it's bullsh*t. I searched in various engines and sites and
couldn't find a thing. I think she's trying to validate her methods
(maybe because deep down, or maybe not so deep, she knows
it's crap).

Meghan

Pam Hartley

Meghan! Weren't you informed that we're the cat's ass? I'll have to find you
a copy of the memo...

Pam, who also had a great time at the conference :)

----------
From: "meghanfire" <meghan@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Accelerated Unschooling
Date: Tue, Aug 20, 2002, 12:12 AM


(Why is unschooling perceived to be so 'cool' anyway?)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[email protected]

I went to the Paths of Learning web site, what is that address,
pathsoflearning.com, I think and they have so many ways of learning
listed there it boggles the mind.
I saw Accelerated Learning, and I saw Unschooling, but no where did I
find accelerated unschooling. ( That's the only place I looked,
actually.)

This sounds like some crazy woman who couldn't keep her own weirdness
out of her kids lives, so instead of pushing text books she's pushing
whatever and calling it unschooling.

Deb L

Lisa Hardiman

I have been reflecting what Deb said about this Accelerated Unschooling,
and agree. There are a lot of extreme people in the movement these
days. A good movie to watch is "In Search Of Bobbie Fisher" about a
young boy who was a gifted chest player and the parents got involved and
how the family learned to back off and let the kid enjoy chest without
him being a world champion. Believe me, there are tons of parents who
put their entire egos in their kids, not just homeschoolers. Last year
I helped out with a science fair. All the other parents were parents of
"gifted" public school program. One mom said that her kids get 4.0
average no matter what. I asked her wonder if they are not learning
anything. That question didn't make sense to her. Lisa Hardiman

-----Original Message-----
From: meghanfire [mailto:meghan@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Accelerated Unschooling

<<<<--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., KathrynJB@a... wrote:

> She explained that, "Of course, my children are Gifted (well,
except for Nate), so we have begun Accelerated Unschooling."
Apparently, Accelerated Unschooling is a New Movement where
one plunges one's child into intensive actitives everytime he or
she casually mentions an interest that could be academic or Arts
related.>>>>

Well, if I were her kids, I'm sure I would learn to keep my mouth
shut so I wouldn't be 'Accelerated' into boredom and/or overload.

>
<<<<> So, I started thinking about what REAL Accelerated
Unschooling would look like. I decided it has very little to do with
your kid. I think it's speedily letting go of all those preconceived
notions about Education and Learning. It's very quickly getting
past those "Ohmygod, I'mdestroyingmychild'slife!" episodes. >>>

It sounds to me like she's trying to pin a 'cool' sounding label
(Why is unschooling perceived to be so 'cool' anyway?) whilst
still trying to stay in control of her kid's education. In my opinion,
there can be no such thing as accelerated unschooling. You
either let your kids learn what they want at their own mental pace
and for how long (or short) a time as they want, or you don't
unschool. Period.
>
<<<<> Oh, Poor little Nate, age 7 and the Ungifted one,
participates in Accelerated Unschooling, too, because,
mysteriously enough, his only interest is Pokemon. Therefore
he gets to do ALL the things his Gifted brothers and sister do,
because, even though he's NOT gifted, "we don't want him to fall
behind.">>>>

How sad for these kids (both 'gifted' and 'ungifted') to be so
labeled and judged by their parents :-(
How can an unschooler 'fall behind'? It's not possible!
It's a shame this mom can't see how much can be learned from
Pokemon. Maybe you could point that out to her.
>
<<<<> Have any of you heard of Accelerated Unschooling? This
woman says there are support groups throughout the country,
but I couldn't even find a web site notice about it.>>>>

I think it's bullsh*t. I searched in various engines and sites and
couldn't find a thing. I think she's trying to validate her methods
(maybe because deep down, or maybe not so deep, she knows
it's crap).

Meghan





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Nancy Wooton

on 8/20/02 12:38 AM, Pam Hartley at pamhartley@... wrote:

> Meghan! Weren't you informed that we're the cat's ass? I'll have to find you
> a copy of the memo...
>
> Pam, who also had a great time at the conference :)

WHERE WERE YOU??? I was there the whole weekend and never saw you.

You were hiding from me, that must have been it... :::sniff::::

Nancy

[email protected]

OHHH! She was hanging in the BAR!!
AH HA!
LOL
~Elissa Cleaveland
Radical Unschoolers Unite!

Pam Hartley

I was only there on Sunday -- on a panel at 8 a.m. (me, not a morning person
<g>) and then lunch with some of the AlwaysLearning wacky people ;) and then
yakking with Pam S. and Laura and Betsy for another hour in the bar.

Pam

----------
From: Nancy Wooton <ikonstitcher@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] Re: Accelerated Unschooling
Date: Tue, Aug 20, 2002, 8:57 AM


> Pam, who also had a great time at the conference :)

WHERE WERE YOU??? I was there the whole weekend and never saw you.

You were hiding from me, that must have been it... :::sniff::::



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nancy Wooton

on 8/20/02 9:06 AM, Pam Hartley at pamhartley@... wrote:

> I was only there on Sunday -- on a panel at 8 a.m. (me, not a morning person
> <g>) and then lunch with some of the AlwaysLearning wacky people ;) and then
> yakking with Pam S. and Laura and Betsy for another hour in the bar.
>
> Pam

That explains it. At 8 a.m., I was 10 minutes away from realizing there
WERE 8 a.m. workshops (didn't read my program very well). At 12:30, I ran
off to the one Tad Williams talk I could schedule into my weekend, *with* my
otherwise never before interested in writing daughter, who had attended
another of his workshops Saturday and was keen for more.

Shoulda hit the bar, I guess!

Nancy

Betsy

**and then
yakking with Pam S. and Laura and Betsy for another hour in the bar.**

Yep -- we cut class after lunch! And still learned an amazing amount.

Betsy

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/19/02 1:56:08 PM, KathrynJB@... writes:

<< "Of course, my children are Gifted (well, except for
Nate), so we have begun Accelerated Unschooling." >>

Poor Nate!! (whoever he is)

Poor Nate being a retarded accelerated unschooler.

He'll be so far BEHIND, and so disabled and disadvantaged and different.

<<So, I started thinking about what REAL Accelerated Unschooling would look
like. I decided it has very little to do with your kid. I think it's speedily
letting go of all those preconceived notions about Education and Learning.
It's very quickly getting past those "Ohmygod, I'mdestroyingmychild'slife!"
episodes. >>>

YES. The mom should quickly get OVER her serious desire to accelerate life.

<<Have any of you heard of Accelerated Unschooling? This woman says there are
support groups throughout the country, but I couldn't even find a web site
notice about it.>>

NO. Find her and ask her to write to me. I'm serious.

Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/19/02 3:19:53 PM, cen46624@... writes:

<< MY children are gifted, too, without exception, and WE (please read this
sentence with facetious emphasis) unschool like this: get train books
from the library, ride on trains, go to train museums, play with train
sets at home, play with train sets at toy stores and bookstores, read
books and websites about trains, etc.
>>

So you're really training your children.
;-)

[email protected]

So you're really training your children.

In the way they will travel.
~Elissa Cleaveland
Radical Unschoolers Unite!

Bill and Diane

In honest truth, though, THEY're training US. Full-time, too--I swear
they're at trains more than 40 hours/week!

:-) Diane

><< MY children are gifted, too, without exception, and WE (please read this
>sentence with facetious emphasis) unschool like this: get train books
>from the library, ride on trains, go to train museums, play with train
>sets at home, play with train sets at toy stores and bookstores, read
>books and websites about trains, etc.
> >>
>
>So you're really training your children.
> ;-)
>

[email protected]

In a message dated 8/20/02 1:13:56 AM, meghan@... writes:

<< In my opinion,
there can be no such thing as accelerated unschooling. You
either let your kids learn what they want at their own mental pace
and for how long (or short) a time as they want, or you don't
unschool. Period. >>

No kidding. How fast can "at their own speed" really go!??