more on fibro and chronic pain
Lisa Breger
<<Encourage her to find her passion for life again. It is a vital part of coping with any chronic
condition.>>
Her passion prior to fibro was gymnastics. She was a competitive gymnast and a dancer, very active and vibrant. I think it might take a while for her to find a new passion. She loved writing, but is very reluctant to keep journals now. Maybe it brings her too face to face with her illness.
<<for me that is the best way to deal
with chronic pain...to remove yourself from it as much
as you can. Think about other things, other people,
ideas outside of ones own body. Doing, thinking,
creating, laughing.......and yes, a pain med to help
over a hump, because sometimes the pain is too
demanding to even attempt to ignore and there are
things to be done anyway. Like living. :-) >>
I admire you. I don't know how I would be able to deal with chronic pain, so I'll copy these wise words and send them to my daughter to read.
<<It can be really hard to find the balance. (I'm still working on it.) It
*is* important to move, but it's also important to listen to your
body. For your daughter, it might start out as simple exercises done in
bed, *very* gently and gradually>>
She seems so resistant to trying anything. Maybe because it is all so new. I'm not sure I know the exact differences between fibro and CFS, but I think my daughter may have a couple of the CFS symptoms. She says she is fatigued, but I don't know if she is using the term accurately. She can and does get up occasionally to walk downstairs to her room to get something needed. She is no worse afterwards. But a trip to the dr's office makes her pain worse. She still has no problem getting up to use the bathroom, though. I don't need to help her shower.
<<So, yes, she should be as active as she *can*, but I certainly wouldn't tell
her to push through her pain.>>
It is so hard to understand exactly how someone else feels. I guess all I can do is give her this advice, and be there for support as she discovers her limits on her own. I think this is the most respectful approach. She already gets enough disrespect from doctors who don't really understand, although they claim to. They use phrases such as: "She has failed all medications." Or, "I suspect she is fighting the effects of the medicine." Or, "I think her mental state is making the pain seem worse than it is." He suggested we see a psychologist that runs a pain management clinic, and after speaking with him I learned he uses techniques such as self-hypnosis and relaxation to help deal with pain. This sounded great, but then I read some literature he sent, which mentioned his research into the mind/body connection, and now I am worried he is assuming Tiffany is contributing to her own illness. The GP that referred us already consulted with him prior to the appointment. The one who made the above remarks.
<<I had friends who lost children to terminal illness or
accidents.>>
A nice reminder that we do have a lot to be grateful for; There is always someone worse off, and we still have the capability to help others in some way.
<<I have to tell Roy, that I just can't do it....I feel
so ashamed then, and I pray, inside, that Roy learns
compassion rather than feeling deprived. Though I fear
it is both.>>
Your love for your son is so evident, I can feel it in your words. We are all deprived at times, but your son KNOWS you love him.
People with fibro and other chronic pain illnesses are some of the nicest people I have met, off or on-line! And they know so much more about the illnesses than the doctors.
Enjoy your evening!
Lisa
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condition.>>
Her passion prior to fibro was gymnastics. She was a competitive gymnast and a dancer, very active and vibrant. I think it might take a while for her to find a new passion. She loved writing, but is very reluctant to keep journals now. Maybe it brings her too face to face with her illness.
<<for me that is the best way to deal
with chronic pain...to remove yourself from it as much
as you can. Think about other things, other people,
ideas outside of ones own body. Doing, thinking,
creating, laughing.......and yes, a pain med to help
over a hump, because sometimes the pain is too
demanding to even attempt to ignore and there are
things to be done anyway. Like living. :-) >>
I admire you. I don't know how I would be able to deal with chronic pain, so I'll copy these wise words and send them to my daughter to read.
<<It can be really hard to find the balance. (I'm still working on it.) It
*is* important to move, but it's also important to listen to your
body. For your daughter, it might start out as simple exercises done in
bed, *very* gently and gradually>>
She seems so resistant to trying anything. Maybe because it is all so new. I'm not sure I know the exact differences between fibro and CFS, but I think my daughter may have a couple of the CFS symptoms. She says she is fatigued, but I don't know if she is using the term accurately. She can and does get up occasionally to walk downstairs to her room to get something needed. She is no worse afterwards. But a trip to the dr's office makes her pain worse. She still has no problem getting up to use the bathroom, though. I don't need to help her shower.
<<So, yes, she should be as active as she *can*, but I certainly wouldn't tell
her to push through her pain.>>
It is so hard to understand exactly how someone else feels. I guess all I can do is give her this advice, and be there for support as she discovers her limits on her own. I think this is the most respectful approach. She already gets enough disrespect from doctors who don't really understand, although they claim to. They use phrases such as: "She has failed all medications." Or, "I suspect she is fighting the effects of the medicine." Or, "I think her mental state is making the pain seem worse than it is." He suggested we see a psychologist that runs a pain management clinic, and after speaking with him I learned he uses techniques such as self-hypnosis and relaxation to help deal with pain. This sounded great, but then I read some literature he sent, which mentioned his research into the mind/body connection, and now I am worried he is assuming Tiffany is contributing to her own illness. The GP that referred us already consulted with him prior to the appointment. The one who made the above remarks.
<<I had friends who lost children to terminal illness or
accidents.>>
A nice reminder that we do have a lot to be grateful for; There is always someone worse off, and we still have the capability to help others in some way.
<<I have to tell Roy, that I just can't do it....I feel
so ashamed then, and I pray, inside, that Roy learns
compassion rather than feeling deprived. Though I fear
it is both.>>
Your love for your son is so evident, I can feel it in your words. We are all deprived at times, but your son KNOWS you love him.
People with fibro and other chronic pain illnesses are some of the nicest people I have met, off or on-line! And they know so much more about the illnesses than the doctors.
Enjoy your evening!
Lisa
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Sharon Rudd
She already gets enough
Poor Mama. She is NOT doing to herself!!! She didn't
earn this and it isn't bad karma. It just is.
Those "pain management techniques" are because the
docs are concerned about pain-med addiction. It is a
valid concern. But, if or have a root canal, you get
some relief, without asking, but if you have something
that hurts worse, but doesn't have a foreseeable
ending, you get zilch. You are supposed to improve
your meditation techniques. I would suggest asking for
something for menstrual cramps....really bad
ones..describe the abdominal spasms and
headaches....bloating isn't the problem (so they don't
include a diuretic) tell them Tylenol just doesn't
help.....and save it for the REAL pain. Knowing that
you have something to help a little bit, if ou need
it, does push the unbearable threshold back some.
I broke a foot a few of years ago, and was given a
prescription for some pain-meds. "Good grief" I
thought, "this little ding is nothing, and it is going
to get better in a few weeks" It really did hurt, and
it LOOKED bad. "If this is what is unbearable ,
according to the doc, then why should I have to put up
with this other all the time?" I saved the meds for
when I just couldn't overcome my pain induced inertia,
and called in the prescription for renewal. Over and
over. I have to do a liver-function test every 6
months, now. After about two years I had to go to
the doctor and justify myself. It was sort of
obvious. But. Relief was NEVER OFFERED for chronic
pain. I had to insist. And also had to point out that
there were times when it peaked that needed extra
relief. Perhaps as a mother you can advocate for her?
A sympathetic neurologist is most likely to help. But
they are into all sort of tests. Dunno if they do all
the neuropathy tests for Fibro that they do for MS,
but after one series, I got off the table and told 'em
"NO". And I'm not taking any more nuclear waste for
contrast MRIs either. There is only so much
radioactivity that a body can tolerate. I understand
it is cumalitve, if you start at 13 that can really
add up. I am post child-bearing too. After an
"inconclusive" lumbar puncture, I refused to have it
redone. One's enough.
Does Tiffany like weaving? A lap or table loom is
fun. On a weaving list (that I used to be on....it was
very active) there were a couple of weavers with CFS
and they found it soothing to sit in a recliner near a
window and weave. Beautiful things they did too. No
rush. Just weave as the spirit moved them. Used those
plastic "childrens" needles and yarn. Just a thought.
I use rag strips to make things......
Sharon of the Swamp
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> disrespect from doctors who don't really understand,Some doctors are such ass-holes!!!!! Poor Tiffany.
> although they claim to.
Poor Mama. She is NOT doing to herself!!! She didn't
earn this and it isn't bad karma. It just is.
Those "pain management techniques" are because the
docs are concerned about pain-med addiction. It is a
valid concern. But, if or have a root canal, you get
some relief, without asking, but if you have something
that hurts worse, but doesn't have a foreseeable
ending, you get zilch. You are supposed to improve
your meditation techniques. I would suggest asking for
something for menstrual cramps....really bad
ones..describe the abdominal spasms and
headaches....bloating isn't the problem (so they don't
include a diuretic) tell them Tylenol just doesn't
help.....and save it for the REAL pain. Knowing that
you have something to help a little bit, if ou need
it, does push the unbearable threshold back some.
I broke a foot a few of years ago, and was given a
prescription for some pain-meds. "Good grief" I
thought, "this little ding is nothing, and it is going
to get better in a few weeks" It really did hurt, and
it LOOKED bad. "If this is what is unbearable ,
according to the doc, then why should I have to put up
with this other all the time?" I saved the meds for
when I just couldn't overcome my pain induced inertia,
and called in the prescription for renewal. Over and
over. I have to do a liver-function test every 6
months, now. After about two years I had to go to
the doctor and justify myself. It was sort of
obvious. But. Relief was NEVER OFFERED for chronic
pain. I had to insist. And also had to point out that
there were times when it peaked that needed extra
relief. Perhaps as a mother you can advocate for her?
A sympathetic neurologist is most likely to help. But
they are into all sort of tests. Dunno if they do all
the neuropathy tests for Fibro that they do for MS,
but after one series, I got off the table and told 'em
"NO". And I'm not taking any more nuclear waste for
contrast MRIs either. There is only so much
radioactivity that a body can tolerate. I understand
it is cumalitve, if you start at 13 that can really
add up. I am post child-bearing too. After an
"inconclusive" lumbar puncture, I refused to have it
redone. One's enough.
Does Tiffany like weaving? A lap or table loom is
fun. On a weaving list (that I used to be on....it was
very active) there were a couple of weavers with CFS
and they found it soothing to sit in a recliner near a
window and weave. Beautiful things they did too. No
rush. Just weave as the spirit moved them. Used those
plastic "childrens" needles and yarn. Just a thought.
I use rag strips to make things......
Sharon of the Swamp
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Sharon,
I take long-term narcotic pain killers every day. While I don't like the
idea of being a dope fiend, it is the only way that my pain is bearable.
You're right - just having the meds available, whether I take them or not,
does seem to push my tolerance level just a bit further. As long as the meds
are helping me to function at my best, I will continue taking them.
pax.
Athena
I broke a foot a few of years ago, and was given a
prescription for some pain-meds.
<snip>
I saved the meds for
when I just couldn't overcome my pain induced inertia,
and called in the prescription for renewal. Over and
over. I have to do a liver-function test every 6
months, now. After about two years I had to go to
the doctor and justify myself.
I take long-term narcotic pain killers every day. While I don't like the
idea of being a dope fiend, it is the only way that my pain is bearable.
You're right - just having the meds available, whether I take them or not,
does seem to push my tolerance level just a bit further. As long as the meds
are helping me to function at my best, I will continue taking them.
pax.
Athena
I broke a foot a few of years ago, and was given a
prescription for some pain-meds.
<snip>
I saved the meds for
when I just couldn't overcome my pain induced inertia,
and called in the prescription for renewal. Over and
over. I have to do a liver-function test every 6
months, now. After about two years I had to go to
the doctor and justify myself.
Tia Leschke
>Oh that's really harsh. I wasn't all that active before I got it, but I've
>
>Her passion prior to fibro was gymnastics. She was a competitive gymnast
>and a dancer, very active and vibrant.
heard that a lot of people were. At least she can know inside herself that
it is *not* a matter of laziness. I often battle that myself. How much is
the fibro and how much is my own dislike of exercise?
>I think it might take a while for her to find a new passion. She lovedMaybe journals are not the right kind of writing for her at this
>writing, but is very reluctant to keep journals now. Maybe it brings her
>too face to face with her illness.
time. Maybe she'd enjoy writing stories or poetry or something. This
would be a good time to do lots of "strewing" with her. Maybe offer her
books and videos about various crafts (like the weaving suggestion). Find
interesting books on topics that used to interest her even a little,
internet sites. It really will help if she can get her mind on other
things. It doesn't take the pain or fatigue away, but can make it easier
to bear.
><<for me that is the best way to dealYes.
>with chronic pain...to remove yourself from it as much
>as you can. Think about other things, other people,
>ideas outside of ones own body. Doing, thinking,
>creating, laughing.......and yes, a pain med to help
>over a hump, because sometimes the pain is too
>demanding to even attempt to ignore and there are
>things to be done anyway. Like living. :-) >>
><<It can be really hard to find the balance. (I'm still working on it.) ItFrom what I can tell, fibro and CFS are almost exactly alike. The
>*is* important to move, but it's also important to listen to your
>body. For your daughter, it might start out as simple exercises done in
>bed, *very* gently and gradually>>
>
>She seems so resistant to trying anything. Maybe because it is all so
>new. I'm not sure I know the exact differences between fibro and CFS, but
>I think my daughter may have a couple of the CFS symptoms. She says she
>is fatigued, but I don't know if she is using the term accurately.
differences are that people with fibro have the tender points, and people
with CFS get sore throats and swollen glands. I've got both of those, even
though I've only been diagnosed with fibro. Other than that, you'll find
much the same list of symptoms for both, especially fatigue and pain.
The fatigue for me is a lack of stamina. I can still run if I have to . .
. but only for a minute or so, and then I'd be wiped for the day. Any kind
of upward movement is difficult, from walking up hills or stairs to getting
myself up from sitting or squatting. From what I've read, it seems to have
something to do with the muscles not getting the oxygen they need, or not
processing it properly.
>She can and does get up occasionally to walk downstairs to her room to getI have no trouble moving around the house, etc., but a trip to the store is
>something needed. She is no worse afterwards. But a trip to the dr's
>office makes her pain worse. She still has no problem getting up to use
>the bathroom, though. I don't need to help her shower.
tiring. The day I go to town (1 hour drive, stops at library, grocery
stores, and maybe other errands) completely fries me. I try not to plan
anything at all for that evening.
>It is so hard to understand exactly how someone else feels. I guess all IYes. Keep encouraging her to find ways to move without making her feel
>can do is give her this advice, and be there for support as she discovers
>her limits on her own. I think this is the most respectful approach.
guilty for not taking your advice. Some people say that doing Tai Chi
helps them a lot. I haven't tried it yet. Apparently you can do it at
your own level, even sitting down if need be. It's definitely a gentle
form of exercise, and with her background she might find it easy to learn.
>She already gets enough disrespect from doctors who don't reallyThat's such a dumb way to put it. You can explain to her that what it
>understand, although they claim to. They use phrases such as: "She has
>failed all medications."
really means is that the medications have failed *her*. In other words,
they didn't work for her.
>Or, "I suspect she is fighting the effects of the medicine." Or, "I thinkThere *is* a mind/body connection. But that doesn't mean it's all in her
>her mental state is making the pain seem worse than it is." He suggested
>we see a psychologist that runs a pain management clinic, and after
>speaking with him I learned he uses techniques such as self-hypnosis and
>relaxation to help deal with pain. This sounded great, but then I read
>some literature he sent, which mentioned his research into the mind/body
>connection, and now I am worried he is assuming Tiffany is contributing to
>her own illness. The GP that referred us already consulted with him prior
>to the appointment. The one who made the above remarks.
head. This guy might be able to help her, but I'd suggest talking with him
further before she sees him. Get it really clear that he's not going to
hit her with "It's all in your head." Yes, what's in our heads does affect
how we feel, but there's biochemical stuff going on in the first
place. Here's something I just got on another homeschooling list (where
we're also discussing fibro).
>http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2002/fibromyalgia.htmI didn't go to the site yet to see if there's more there.
>
>Fibromyalgia pain isn't all in patients' heads, new brain study finds
>fMRI scans give first objective measure of mysterious ailment, provide road
>map for future study
>
>ANN ARBOR, MI - A new brain-scan study confirms scientifically what
>fibromyalgia patients have been telling a skeptical medical community for
>years: They're really in pain.
>
>In fact, the study finds, people with fibromyalgia say they feel severe
>pain, and have measurable pain signals in their brains, from a gentle
>finger squeeze that barely feels unpleasant to people without the disease.
>The squeeze's force must be doubled to cause healthy people to feel the
>same level of pain - and their pain signals show up in different brain areas.
>
>The results, published in the current issue of Arthritis & Rheumatism, the
>journal of the American College of Rheumatology, may offer the proof of
>fibromyalgia's physical roots that many doubtful physicians have sought. It
>may also open doors for further research on the still-unknown causes of the
>disease, which affects more than 2 percent of Americans, mainly women.
>
>(c) copyright 2002 University of Michigan Health System
>--------------------
><<I had friends who lost children to terminal illness orI used this thought a lot when my first baby was struggling with a heart
>accidents.>>
>
>A nice reminder that we do have a lot to be grateful for; There is always
>someone worse off, and we still have the capability to help others in some
>way.
defect. I watched kids at the hospital slowly dying of cancer and others
with neurological problems so severe that their parents didn't even visit
anymore. It was heartbreaking but also helped me deal with my own
situation better.
>People with fibro and other chronic pain illnesses are some of the nicestI've mostly found this to be true as well. Just be really careful if you
>people I have met, off or on-line! And they know so much more about the
>illnesses than the doctors.
spend time on the alt.med.fibromyalgia newsgroup. There are wonderful
people there with tons of useful info. There are also people who will jump
into flame war mode at the drop of a pin, even some of the same
people! I'm *very* selective about which posts I actually download and read.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
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Sharon Rudd
As long as the meds
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> are helping me to function at my best, I willme too :-)
> continue taking them.
Sharon of the Swamp
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Sharon Rudd
There is a less than a week old fawn coming to live
with us today. Does anyone know how frequently it
needs feeding? I would guess every two hours, more or
less,for a couple of weeks, then 4 hours. Will it
tolerate goat formula (it is being fed calf starter
with molasses added, now)? Can I used dog flea/tick
stuff on it? I've just gone through a flea purging
here :-(
While Roy and DH were gone for a week (my alone time,
at last :-) I found that I was unable to keep up with
all the critters and asked my sister to come help me
take 3 of the dogs to the pound. People were asking
for the dogs before I even got them inside :-) Though
I have mixed feeling here....Roy will be heart broken
when he gets home tonight. I cry too :-( Anyway, I
just upgraded (all by myself) the chicken pen,
rabbits, ducks, with help took the dogs away. Gave up
gardening altogether....and now I get a phone call
that they are brining ME a present. Another animal.
A baby deer. So. I made it a little manger (I call
it that to make it more acceptable to me), with a
chair for the people, on a small porch we have, that
will probably be OK for a couple of weeks Then what?
How active are they, when? When will it need solid
food? Will hay be sufficient? Or does it need wild
stuff? which wild stuff?
Lucky I decided to give up gardening (except for the
potted things).
The Rudd Petting Zoo....another something to take me
outside myself (more of that instant Karmic
feedback...when will I learn to hush?!)
Help!!!! It is a male White Tail. Roy named him Legs.
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with us today. Does anyone know how frequently it
needs feeding? I would guess every two hours, more or
less,for a couple of weeks, then 4 hours. Will it
tolerate goat formula (it is being fed calf starter
with molasses added, now)? Can I used dog flea/tick
stuff on it? I've just gone through a flea purging
here :-(
While Roy and DH were gone for a week (my alone time,
at last :-) I found that I was unable to keep up with
all the critters and asked my sister to come help me
take 3 of the dogs to the pound. People were asking
for the dogs before I even got them inside :-) Though
I have mixed feeling here....Roy will be heart broken
when he gets home tonight. I cry too :-( Anyway, I
just upgraded (all by myself) the chicken pen,
rabbits, ducks, with help took the dogs away. Gave up
gardening altogether....and now I get a phone call
that they are brining ME a present. Another animal.
A baby deer. So. I made it a little manger (I call
it that to make it more acceptable to me), with a
chair for the people, on a small porch we have, that
will probably be OK for a couple of weeks Then what?
How active are they, when? When will it need solid
food? Will hay be sufficient? Or does it need wild
stuff? which wild stuff?
Lucky I decided to give up gardening (except for the
potted things).
The Rudd Petting Zoo....another something to take me
outside myself (more of that instant Karmic
feedback...when will I learn to hush?!)
Help!!!! It is a male White Tail. Roy named him Legs.
Sharon of the Swamp
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Karin
"Sharon Rudd" <bearspawprint@...> wrote:
Our local Wildlife World Zoo brought 2 babies on the local news show and
were bottle feeding them ~ oh so cute!
Will you plan on keeping this baby deer indefinately as a pet, or do you
plan on letting it go in the future, to be wild again?
If you plan on letting it go, I would think about handing it over to a wild
animal rescue organization, so the baby won't be permanently imprinted by
humans and then won't know how to fend for itself when it grows up. That is
a real concern. The wildlife rescue orgs. know how to have minimal contact
or even may have a foster mom available to help raise the baby with it's own
kind.
In any case, here's a website I found on the care of newborn or orphan
fawns.
Hope it helps some.
http://www.deerfarmer.com/library/fawns2.htm
Karin
> There is a less than a week old fawn coming to liveWe just saw the cutest baby deer on TV on Saturday.
> with us today. Does anyone know how frequently it
> needs feeding? I would guess every two hours, more or
> less,for a couple of weeks, then 4 hours. Will it
> tolerate goat formula (it is being fed calf starter
> with molasses added, now)? Can I used dog flea/tick
> stuff on it? I've just gone through a flea purging
> here :-(
Our local Wildlife World Zoo brought 2 babies on the local news show and
were bottle feeding them ~ oh so cute!
Will you plan on keeping this baby deer indefinately as a pet, or do you
plan on letting it go in the future, to be wild again?
If you plan on letting it go, I would think about handing it over to a wild
animal rescue organization, so the baby won't be permanently imprinted by
humans and then won't know how to fend for itself when it grows up. That is
a real concern. The wildlife rescue orgs. know how to have minimal contact
or even may have a foster mom available to help raise the baby with it's own
kind.
In any case, here's a website I found on the care of newborn or orphan
fawns.
Hope it helps some.
http://www.deerfarmer.com/library/fawns2.htm
Karin
Sharon Rudd
Legs is here! He is so cute, and tiny. Smaller than I
expected....the wire on the gate I arranged is too
big. We've fixed that problem.
We have checked into a permit, already, as DH is
planning to raise deer. He is in the process of
making a HUGE, humongous fence and all the permit
required trimmings. But. The plan was to start with
ADULT deer. We have a friend who does this already,
and has promised us some (adult) does and a
buck.....but I thought this was a LONG way down the
road.
So little Legs is here. Poor lil' guy. So trusting.
Corky (DH) wants to keep it to be his and
semi-domesticated. It still means me. When kids and
DH bring home critters it seems to be Mama who always
has to make sure that they are cared for consistently.
That's why I need to know what to do now, and was
caught unprepared. Seems very goat-like, but MUCH more
fragile.
Thanks for web-site...will check it out tonight.
Falcons? As in peregrine and ? Ooooooo Tell us. Tell
us.
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expected....the wire on the gate I arranged is too
big. We've fixed that problem.
We have checked into a permit, already, as DH is
planning to raise deer. He is in the process of
making a HUGE, humongous fence and all the permit
required trimmings. But. The plan was to start with
ADULT deer. We have a friend who does this already,
and has promised us some (adult) does and a
buck.....but I thought this was a LONG way down the
road.
So little Legs is here. Poor lil' guy. So trusting.
Corky (DH) wants to keep it to be his and
semi-domesticated. It still means me. When kids and
DH bring home critters it seems to be Mama who always
has to make sure that they are cared for consistently.
That's why I need to know what to do now, and was
caught unprepared. Seems very goat-like, but MUCH more
fragile.
Thanks for web-site...will check it out tonight.
Falcons? As in peregrine and ? Ooooooo Tell us. Tell
us.
Sharon of the Swamp
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Cool I have raised orphaned raccoons, squirrels,
wild rabbits, kestrels, and injured garter snakes
along with the more normal animals such as iguanas,
bearded dragons, pythons, savannah monitors, and
taranulas. I have never had anything as big as a
deer.
I wish you the best of luck and keep us posted
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wild rabbits, kestrels, and injured garter snakes
along with the more normal animals such as iguanas,
bearded dragons, pythons, savannah monitors, and
taranulas. I have never had anything as big as a
deer.
I wish you the best of luck and keep us posted
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Where do you find animals like this to raise?
Tarla
Tarla
On 10 Jun 2002 at 18:30, Amy Thomlinson wrote:
> Cool I have raised orphaned raccoons, squirrels,
> wild rabbits, kestrels, and injured garter snakes
> along with the more normal animals such as iguanas,
> bearded dragons, pythons, savannah monitors, and
> taranulas. I have never had anything as big as a
> deer.
>
> I wish you the best of luck and keep us posted
>
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Believe it or not people give them to me. They hear I
like animals or I have raised such and such and they
come knocking whenever they find something. I once
raised hamsters and people would leave hamsters in
cages on my front porch while i was gone sometimes
with anonymous notes about names or food. The baby
raccoons were washed out of drain of a large public
swimming pool when the city was trying to clean out
the pool and get it ready for summer. A lifeguard
fished 2 babies out of the waterway they were flushed
into. They were tiny and I did'nt think they would
live. The baby squirrel was left in the nest and its
mother was electrocuted in a transformer in my parents
yard. My mother knew about the babies but by the
time we got to the nest only one baby was alive.
The rabbits were babies whose nest and mother were
hit by a brushhog(we live in a rural area) the
kestrel(sparrow hawk) was blown out of the nest in a
storm soon after he hatched. We left him alone all
day and the parents soon gave up on him so we
brought him in and wrapped towels into a nest shape
and put a heating pad underneath and we fed him
hamburger with long handled tweezers at first. We
taught him to fly by walking around the yard flapping
our arms while he sat on our hands and had to use his
wings to keep balance and finally one day he flew but
it was a week or so after his siblings did. After he
learned to fly he rejoined the parents and siblings
and we would throw raw chicken wings on the roof for
the birds to eat. The whole family stayed around for
a couple of years and then they all just went away and
didn't come back. All the animals that have come
from the wild I attempt to put back in the wild
eventually usually they just slowly move out on their
own but I also go to great lengths not to over handle
them. All the exotic pets I have I have bought from
breeders or have had them given to me and all are
captive bred. I still feel sorry for my lizards that
seem like they are unhappy much of the time.
There are alot of animals out there but many people
keep the fact that they have them to themselves
because like where I live if I was caught with a wild
animal I would face $5000 fine and up to 5 years in
prison. For people that are truly interested and have
time and money many states have people who are
trained to rehabilitate animals orphaned or taken from
the wild.
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like animals or I have raised such and such and they
come knocking whenever they find something. I once
raised hamsters and people would leave hamsters in
cages on my front porch while i was gone sometimes
with anonymous notes about names or food. The baby
raccoons were washed out of drain of a large public
swimming pool when the city was trying to clean out
the pool and get it ready for summer. A lifeguard
fished 2 babies out of the waterway they were flushed
into. They were tiny and I did'nt think they would
live. The baby squirrel was left in the nest and its
mother was electrocuted in a transformer in my parents
yard. My mother knew about the babies but by the
time we got to the nest only one baby was alive.
The rabbits were babies whose nest and mother were
hit by a brushhog(we live in a rural area) the
kestrel(sparrow hawk) was blown out of the nest in a
storm soon after he hatched. We left him alone all
day and the parents soon gave up on him so we
brought him in and wrapped towels into a nest shape
and put a heating pad underneath and we fed him
hamburger with long handled tweezers at first. We
taught him to fly by walking around the yard flapping
our arms while he sat on our hands and had to use his
wings to keep balance and finally one day he flew but
it was a week or so after his siblings did. After he
learned to fly he rejoined the parents and siblings
and we would throw raw chicken wings on the roof for
the birds to eat. The whole family stayed around for
a couple of years and then they all just went away and
didn't come back. All the animals that have come
from the wild I attempt to put back in the wild
eventually usually they just slowly move out on their
own but I also go to great lengths not to over handle
them. All the exotic pets I have I have bought from
breeders or have had them given to me and all are
captive bred. I still feel sorry for my lizards that
seem like they are unhappy much of the time.
There are alot of animals out there but many people
keep the fact that they have them to themselves
because like where I live if I was caught with a wild
animal I would face $5000 fine and up to 5 years in
prison. For people that are truly interested and have
time and money many states have people who are
trained to rehabilitate animals orphaned or taken from
the wild.
--- The Gernerts <home@...> wrote:
> Where do you find animals like this to raise?__________________________________________________
>
> Tarla
>
> On 10 Jun 2002 at 18:30, Amy Thomlinson wrote:
>
> > Cool I have raised orphaned raccoons, squirrels,
> > wild rabbits, kestrels, and injured garter snakes
> > along with the more normal animals such as
> iguanas,
> > bearded dragons, pythons, savannah monitors, and
> > taranulas. I have never had anything as big as a
> > deer.
> >
> > I wish you the best of luck and keep us posted
> >
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That is really interesting. When I was a kid, I had a pet racoon. He was my all time
favorite. I kept him all summer and by fall he left. He came back a Christmas time for a
while. By Spring, he left for good. He was a wonderful pet.
Saturday, the girls found a baby bird in the yard and wanted to help it, but I think it
had just come out of its shell, and was too small to help. It was sad.
Tarla
favorite. I kept him all summer and by fall he left. He came back a Christmas time for a
while. By Spring, he left for good. He was a wonderful pet.
Saturday, the girls found a baby bird in the yard and wanted to help it, but I think it
had just come out of its shell, and was too small to help. It was sad.
Tarla
On 11 Jun 2002 at 21:01, Amy Thomlinson wrote:
> Believe it or not people give them to me. They hear I
> like animals or I have raised such and such and they
> come knocking whenever they find something. I once
> raised hamsters and people would leave hamsters in
> cages on my front porch while i was gone sometimes
> with anonymous notes about names or food. The baby
> raccoons were washed out of drain of a large public
> swimming pool when the city was trying to clean out
> the pool and get it ready for summer. A lifeguard
> fished 2 babies out of the waterway they were flushed
> into. They were tiny and I did'nt think they would
> live. The baby squirrel was left in the nest and its
> mother was electrocuted in a transformer in my parents
> yard. My mother knew about the babies but by the
> time we got to the nest only one baby was alive.
> The rabbits were babies whose nest and mother were
> hit by a brushhog(we live in a rural area) the
> kestrel(sparrow hawk) was blown out of the nest in a
> storm soon after he hatched. We left him alone all
> day and the parents soon gave up on him so we
> brought him in and wrapped towels into a nest shape
> and put a heating pad underneath and we fed him
> hamburger with long handled tweezers at first. We
> taught him to fly by walking around the yard flapping
> our arms while he sat on our hands and had to use his
> wings to keep balance and finally one day he flew but
> it was a week or so after his siblings did. After he
> learned to fly he rejoined the parents and siblings
> and we would throw raw chicken wings on the roof for
> the birds to eat. The whole family stayed around for
> a couple of years and then they all just went away and
> didn't come back. All the animals that have come
> from the wild I attempt to put back in the wild
> eventually usually they just slowly move out on their
> own but I also go to great lengths not to over handle
> them. All the exotic pets I have I have bought from
> breeders or have had them given to me and all are
> captive bred. I still feel sorry for my lizards that
> seem like they are unhappy much of the time.
> There are alot of animals out there but many people
> keep the fact that they have them to themselves
> because like where I live if I was caught with a wild
> animal I would face $5000 fine and up to 5 years in
> prison. For people that are truly interested and have
> time and money many states have people who are
> trained to rehabilitate animals orphaned or taken from
> the wild.
> --- The Gernerts <home@...> wrote:
> > Where do you find animals like this to raise?
> >
> > Tarla
> >
> > On 10 Jun 2002 at 18:30, Amy Thomlinson wrote:
> >
> > > Cool I have raised orphaned raccoons, squirrels,
> > > wild rabbits, kestrels, and injured garter snakes
> > > along with the more normal animals such as
> > iguanas,
> > > bearded dragons, pythons, savannah monitors, and
> > > taranulas. I have never had anything as big as a
> > > deer.
> > >
> > > I wish you the best of luck and keep us posted
> > >
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In a message dated 9/15/02 12:56:51 PM, bearspawprint@... writes:
<< Dear Sandra
Two falls within a few months may be an indication of
something else going on. Please ask your doc.
Love and Prayers
Sharon of the Swamp >>
That's what I told Keith. I said "My ankles aren't working anymore." He
said coincidence, and that all I lack to be an absent-minded professor is the
professor part.
BUT... the three nights before this last fall, I put icy-hot on my ankles
because they were hurting.
So I think I'm going to get some new shoes, if nothing else, and not wear
slippery-bottomed flip-flops for a while and see if that helps.
So what are the brainstorm guesses on ankles not working?
arthritis?
MS?
I don't know of others from the experience of close friends, just those two.
We have lots of stairs in the house, and ordinarily I can run up them, so
it's not a total lack of exercise.
Sandra
Sandra
<< Dear Sandra
Two falls within a few months may be an indication of
something else going on. Please ask your doc.
Love and Prayers
Sharon of the Swamp >>
That's what I told Keith. I said "My ankles aren't working anymore." He
said coincidence, and that all I lack to be an absent-minded professor is the
professor part.
BUT... the three nights before this last fall, I put icy-hot on my ankles
because they were hurting.
So I think I'm going to get some new shoes, if nothing else, and not wear
slippery-bottomed flip-flops for a while and see if that helps.
So what are the brainstorm guesses on ankles not working?
arthritis?
MS?
I don't know of others from the experience of close friends, just those two.
We have lots of stairs in the house, and ordinarily I can run up them, so
it's not a total lack of exercise.
Sandra
Sandra
Sharon Rudd
Could be any of innuerable things.....ask your
doctor(s) to test you for EVERYTHING. If you feel like
something is wrong.....it is. Could be several things
at once.
This is a weekday. Call today, get started.
Keith would feel awful if you listened to him, this
time. He is wishfull thinking, trying to be an
optimist. Guess you have to waite for your foot to
heal up to get new shoes...that fit the new size your
foot will be.
Love and Prayers
Sharon of the Swamp
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doctor(s) to test you for EVERYTHING. If you feel like
something is wrong.....it is. Could be several things
at once.
This is a weekday. Call today, get started.
Keith would feel awful if you listened to him, this
time. He is wishfull thinking, trying to be an
optimist. Guess you have to waite for your foot to
heal up to get new shoes...that fit the new size your
foot will be.
Love and Prayers
Sharon of the Swamp
--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>__________________________________________________
> In a message dated 9/15/02 12:56:51 PM,
> bearspawprint@... writes:
>
> << Dear Sandra
> Two falls within a few months may be an indication
> of
> something else going on. Please ask your doc.
> Love and Prayers
> Sharon of the Swamp >>
>
> That's what I told Keith. I said "My ankles aren't
> working anymore." He
> said coincidence, and that all I lack to be an
> absent-minded professor is the
> professor part.
>
> BUT... the three nights before this last fall, I put
> icy-hot on my ankles
> because they were hurting.
>
> So I think I'm going to get some new shoes, if
> nothing else, and not wear
> slippery-bottomed flip-flops for a while and see if
> that helps.
>
> So what are the brainstorm guesses on ankles not
> working?
> arthritis?
> MS?
> I don't know of others from the experience of close
> friends, just those two.
>
> We have lots of stairs in the house, and ordinarily
> I can run up them, so
> it's not a total lack of exercise.
>
> Sandra
>
> Sandra
>
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