Jon and Rue Kream

Hi Sue - It sounds to me like you're on the right track. You could also
check out www.unschooling.com . ~Rue


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werapfamily

By the way, I forgot to add that I have got 3 -4 John Holts books
that I am about to start reading so I am glad this has a lot to do
with him because what I have heard of him has been all good.

Thanks
Sue



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In a message dated 5/31/02 6:28:29 AM, werapfamily@... writes:

<< I responded with - hopefully natural learning - I'll just follow the leads
of my children - to which I was told that this was unschooling - well I am
totally niave when it comes to labelling as I always thought that unschooling
was taking children out of school and trying to reverse it's affects >>

I think "natural learning" is the more proper and widely-used term in
Australia.

The reversal of school affects is usually called "deschooling."

<<I always assumed that the first 7 years of a childs' life is about play and
I wasn't preparing myself to teach them to read or write or count out of the
ordinary - ie/ when baking a cake we would count eggs or when collecting
rocks we would count rocks but I haven't gone out of my way as to sit their
and try and teach Cam to read etc.>>

Nothing changes at seven. By then either he'll be starting to read or he
won't be ready yet. By then you'll have been doing this for years and won't
be worried about it!
I think your plan to wait is a good one!

School pushes reading so they can push little-kid textbooks and readers. The
information in those is often lame. But as long as his input comes from
people who are better readers than he is he won't be limited to baby-stuff,
but can hear REAL stories with big words, lofty ideas, funny passages, and
not be dependent on one-syllable "see Bob sit" junk.

Welcome to the list!

If you haven't already looked, here are two portals into busy places:
sandradodd.com/unschooling
www.unschooling.com

Sandra

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In a message dated 5/31/02 7:28:16 AM Central Daylight Time,
werapfamily@... writes:


> My name is Sue and I have 2 children Cameron 3 1/2 yrs old and Josephine 20
> months.

Hello, Sue. My little girl (30 months) is named Josephine too. Such a
lovely, timeless name. To me it brings to mind a trellis with old-fashioned
little roses climbing all the way up.

Glad you're here. I'm new to the group too. It's great so far.

pax.
Athena


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werapfamily

Thanks Sandra and Rue for the sites - they are excellent and I am
looking forward to checking them out more. I am so greatful to those
who put a lot of their energies into these sites as they are such a
blessing to families and children who benefit from them.

To Shellie who asked about if anyone experienced rabid
antihomeschoolers - yes I have with the comments of - in reply to my
saying that I am homeschooling - "Oh your a bloody idiot" from my
dear father. Actually we shifted from one side of Australia to the
other - away from family - so that we could homeschool in peace and
without the questioning and judgement. I have two nephews the same
age as my 3 1/2 year old son and the comparisons that were always
being made - well there was no way on earth that my partner and
myself were going to place our son in the situation of constantly
being compared with them as I know that he will be a late developer
when it comes to reading and writing etc - he shows no interest and
just wants to play all the time.

BTW Sandra your comment on my statement

<<I always assumed that the first 7 years of a childs' life is about
play ...

> Nothing changes at seven.

really made me realise that even though I have worked hard on
changing my ways of thinking there are still parts that are still
conditioned - I have an undergrat degree in psych and that is what we
have been taught and even though doing this course has helped me to
be more of a critical thinker - well your comment just made me
realise that I had placed a time limit on children instead of
acknowledging individual freedoms to be different developers - thanks

Sue

werapfamily

> Hello, Sue. My little girl (30 months) is named Josephine too.
Such a
> lovely, timeless name. To me it brings to mind a trellis with old-
fashioned
> little roses climbing all the way up.
>
> Glad you're here. I'm new to the group too. It's great so far.
>
> pax.
> Athena

Hi Athena

I love the way you describe Josephines name - I am going to put that
in her book where I write letters to her. I actually sing that
song "delta Dawn" to her and one line says "Delta Dawn what's that
flower you have on - could it be a faded rose of days gone by"

Anyway I chose the name Josephine because I had only ever known two
Josephines in life and both girls (from school days) were just
beautiful people in every way plus it is a feel good strong name to
me.

Sue
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In a message dated 6/3/02 6:59:12 AM, werapfamily@... writes:

<< I have an undergrat degree in psych and that is what we
have been taught and even though doing this course has helped me to
be more of a critical thinker - well your comment just made me
realise that I had placed a time limit on children instead of
acknowledging individual freedoms to be different developers - thanks >>

With Piaget's stages of development (if that's the ages you're talking
about), those things are a range--some kids come early to one or late, some
stay in one a LONG time, some zip by. But if there is any reality to the
theory (and I think there is) then the child will process information
differently on his own, with no change in the parental input. You won't
really have the need to know that he's reached another stage in his
understanding, because with unschooling, you probably wouldn't have done
anything differently ANYway.

And you're welcome! <g>

Sandra

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In a message dated 6/3/02 8:06:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
werapfamily@... writes:


> Anyway I chose the name Josephine because I had only ever known two
> Josephines in life and both girls (from school days) were just
> beautiful people in every way plus it is a feel good strong name to
> me.


Sue, it sounds like a strong name to me too. I chose it because of my
Great-great Aunt Josephine. She was a poet and a self-proclaimed
"adventurer". I have a newspaper clipping - very old and yellowed - about
her climbing Mt. Fuji in Japan when she was 90 years old. When asked why she
did it, she replied, "because I never had before". : )

pax.
Athena


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Laurie Branson

Hello I'm totaly new to the idea of unschooling. Any advise would be
greatly appericiated. How do I start? where do I start? My son Levi
is 13 I took him out of school in Jan. What kind of cirriculm do I
use if any. Help! please. Laurie& Levi

Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema

Hi Laurie and Levi,
Go read everything (yes, everything) at both
www.unschooling.com
and
www.sandradodd.com

It's a good place to start.
(and don't waste your hard-earned $ on 'curriculum'. 'Waste' it on the
kid, doing something he enjoys!)
HeidiWD


At 07:32 PM 5/31/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello I'm totaly new to the idea of unschooling. Any advise would be
>greatly appericiated. How do I start? where do I start? My son Levi
>is 13 I took him out of school in Jan. What kind of cirriculm do I
>use if any. Help! please. Laurie& Levi
>
>
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In a message dated 5/31/03 8:43:28 PM, heidi@... writes:

<< Go read everything (yes, everything) at both
www.unschooling.com
and
www.sandradodd.com >>

Don't read everything at sandradodd.com, just the unschooling stuff!

sandradodd.com/unschooling


(but thanks for recommending my stuff, Heidi!)

Sandra

Fetteroll

on 5/31/03 3:32 PM, Laurie Branson at laurie97128@... wrote:

> Hello I'm totaly new to the idea of unschooling. Any advise would be
> greatly appericiated. How do I start? where do I start? My son Levi
> is 13 I took him out of school in Jan. What kind of cirriculm do I
> use if any. Help! please. Laurie& Levi

The message boards at Unschooling.com are the very best place to start.

If you like email lists better, the yahoo list Unschooling-dotcom is another
great place to start. ([email protected])

This list tends to accept that unschooling is life as a fact and doesn't
much get into *how* unschooling is life, whereas the Unschooling-dotcom list
does.

Joyce

Kelli Traaseth

----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>

**Don't read everything at sandradodd.com, just the unschooling stuff!**

Now Sandra,,,you don't think that a person who is interested in unschooling
would be able to just read the unschooling parts? <g> I know when I go to
a web site I have to click on most things just to see what's there.
And I know some of your other parts are still helpful in coming around to an
unschooling lifestyle.

I know it was immensely helpful to me. If anything, it was a glimpse into
an unschooling family's life. This was very important to me since I knew no
such things in real life!

Thank you for your site!

Kelli~

To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] new member


>
> In a message dated 5/31/03 8:43:28 PM, heidi@... writes:
>
> << Go read everything (yes, everything) at both
> www.unschooling.com
> and
> www.sandradodd.com >>
>
> Don't read everything at sandradodd.com, just the unschooling stuff!
>
> sandradodd.com/unschooling
>
>
> (but thanks for recommending my stuff, Heidi!)
>
> Sandra
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [email protected]
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BADOLBILZ

Kelli Traaseth wrote:

>Now Sandra,,,
>
>I know it was immensely helpful to me. If anything, it was a glimpse into
>an unschooling family's life. This was very important to me since I knew no
>such things in real life!
>
>Thank you for your site!
>
>Kelli~
>
>

I feel the same way...being new to unschooling, I think I really
understand what we're doing but I have a huge curiousity about how those
of you who have been living this way for a long time actually live day
to day. I'm just reading Frank Smith's "The Book of Learning and
Forgetting" and he talks about joining clubs and how we do that to learn
and reaffirm our own identities as well as define ourselves. Online
clubs etc are great because it is possible to find people who we really
share beliefs and concerns, however in most cases, if you stop posting,
nobody notices which takes the humanity right out of it. By getting to
know more about the details of each others lives, we are forming more
intricate relationships. So I always love hearing about the things you
all do and how and where you live. It makes each of you so much more
real to me. Plus, I can't wait to go to the conference to really meet
as many of you as I can...so I can put "names to your faces!"

HeidiC.

>
>

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In a message dated 6/1/03 6:24:41 AM, tktraas@... writes:

<< Thank you for your site! >>

You're welcome!

Sandra

Deborah Lewis

***How do I start? where do I start? My son Levi
is 13 I took him out of school in Jan. What kind of cirriculm do I
use if any.***

Hi Laurie,

Start by not worrying.<g> Live today and tomorrow and every day that
follows with your son as if you were on the best summer vacation ever.
Find out what he enjoys doing and help him find ways to do it.
Go to the beach, take a hike, go to the zoo, or OMSI. Go see a play, a
movie, a concert. Whatever he enjoys and you can manage, do that.

Don't worry about curriculum. They're expensive and boring and designed
by people who don't know your son and what he likes to do. If Levi is
alive, he's learning all the time. He's learning what he needs. Give
him an interesting world to explore and new things to do and see, and
forget curriculum.

Find other unschoolers near you if you can. If you can't, stay on these
lists and read and absorb and ask questions.

Deb L

Laurie Branson

Thank you, I'm starting to understand and begining to
relax .
--- Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:
> ***How do I start? where do I start? My son Levi
> is 13 I took him out of school in Jan. What kind of
> cirriculm do I
> use if any.***
>
> Hi Laurie,
>
> Start by not worrying.<g> Live today and tomorrow
> and every day that
> follows with your son as if you were on the best
> summer vacation ever.
> Find out what he enjoys doing and help him find ways
> to do it.
> Go to the beach, take a hike, go to the zoo, or
> OMSI. Go see a play, a
> movie, a concert. Whatever he enjoys and you can
> manage, do that.
>
> Don't worry about curriculum. They're expensive
> and boring and designed
> by people who don't know your son and what he likes
> to do. If Levi is
> alive, he's learning all the time. He's learning
> what he needs. Give
> him an interesting world to explore and new things
> to do and see, and
> forget curriculum.
>
> Find other unschoolers near you if you can. If you
> can't, stay on these
> lists and read and absorb and ask questions.
>
> Deb L
>


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Sue

Hi everyone,

I am new on the list. My name is Sue and I have 2 children Cameron 3 1/2 yrs old and Josephine 20 months. We live in Brisbane Australia and my partner Kevin and myself are interested in homeschooling our children. We practice attachment parenting and found that we had to make a complete life change once we had our children ie/ Kev has given away the corporate life so as to spend more time with the family and we have moved from one side of Australia to the other to incorporate travel in our children's and our lives.

Recently I was asked how I have planned to homeschool my children etc. and I responded with - hopefully natural learning - I'll just follow the leads of my children - to which I was told that this was unschooling - well I am totally niave when it comes to labelling as I always thought that unschooling was taking children out of school and trying to reverse it's affects and that homeschooling was that your children learn at home with there being many different options - ie/ curriculum, natural learning etc.

I can only gather from reading the last few emails on this list that I was wrong in my thoughts and I am looking forward to reading and learning more. My hope is that I want to be able to follow my childrens lead - so far we go on lots of nature walks because that is what they and we as a family love to do, and the kids just play. I always assumed that the first 7 years of a childs' life is about play and I wasn't preparing myself to teach them to read or write or count out of the ordinary - ie/ when baking a cake we would count eggs or when collecting rocks we would count rocks but I haven't gone out of my way as to sit their and try and teach Cam to read etc.

We do lots of reading ourselves so they see their parents reading a lot but Cam doesn't show the interest in it - my daughter however does. So, I was just going to follow their lead and if it took Cameron until he was 10 to take an interest - well then so be it. At the moment he is interested in the stars and the moon and he saw a telescope in a magazine that I had. He asked what it was and I told him and then he said that he wanted one so that we can look at the stars at night and go camping. So, since all of us where interested in it we have decided to save our pennies together and this has created even more interest for him and bonded us all the more.

At the moment Cam gets $3 per week - we bank half of it and the other half he saves for things like the telescope or for a ride at the shop. We introduced this method as everytime we went to the shop he would perform wanting everything - so we decided to give him his own money and so when he wanted something we told him that he would have to save for it. - it has worked wonders because now we don't have the tantrums because he knows that he has a means now for obtaining it (well not as many tantrums <lol>)

Anyway, I know my children are young but since I am new at this I still have some concerns that maybe I am going about things wrong ie/ am I being too laxed in their education, should I be teaching them to read soon, am I missing out on the window period or are there any helpful hints and suggestions that anyone can provide for me in the natural learning way?

I do get these doubts every now and then that I may be doing it all wrong so any input will be helpful and I am not the least bit worried about someone being very blunt or direct with me as challenge to ones belief is always on the path to better understanding.

Now to check out what unschooling is all about - thanks for listening

Sue


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Sue

Sue, it sounds like a strong name to me too. I chose it because of my
Great-great Aunt Josephine. She was a poet and a self-proclaimed
"adventurer". I have a newspaper clipping - very old and yellowed - about
her climbing Mt. Fuji in Japan when she was 90 years old. When asked why she
did it, she replied, "because I never had before". : )

I just love that - isn't it amazing how a name can hold so much value. I have had a lot of positive responses from people when they ask what my daughters' name is and I can see immediately how that positive energy transfers over to my daughter. With my son his name is Cameron and he is full of sooo much energy ( alot more than most people can handle) and my family nicknamed him Camacazzie - I felt that this had negative connations attached when they would call him that in front of people we had only just met. I felt that an unfair judgement would be predetermined just from the name so I had to ask them to stop calling him that as I did not like the label and what it implied.
Sue









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