Susan Bundlie

<<OH NO.... I got on religion again.
Sorry.

Sandra>>

I swear--no offense to any religious people--that Christianity is out to
get me. A friend of mine teases me about it all the time--wherever I go,
there it is! For a long time our bedroom phone broadcast a religious
station in the background. Whenever I was having a conversation, I could
hear "the LORD sayeth" and "JEsus spoke"--and the person to whom I was
speaking could hear nothing! One other example, among many: our house is
being worked on (remember the toilet overflowing upstairs?) and one of
the subcontractors was playing a Christian radio station so loudly the
other day that I had to ask him to turn it down. I was going to joke
about it to his boss and then I found out he, the boss, is also a
born-again Christian!

Susan, a former Methodist

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In a message dated 5/11/02 9:29:36 PM, strandbe@... writes:

<< our house is
being worked on (remember the toilet overflowing upstairs?) >>

YES!

I've been hoping you'd give us an update, and tell us whether Erik's back
from Australia too.

You're having the most fascinating yet horribly expensive season... AND how's
the Rebecca-play progress?

Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 5/11/2002 11:29:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
strandbe@... writes:
> Whenever I was having a conversation, I could
> hear "the LORD sayeth" and "JEsus spoke"--and the person to whom I was
> speaking could hear nothing

I was going to suggest schizophrenia!

Kelly


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Kate Green

> For a long time our bedroom phone broadcast a religious
> station in the background. Whenever I was having a conversation, I could
>""""--and the person to whom I was
> speaking could hear nothing!

Aren't those weird when you are the only one who can hear them!
During my 4th pregnancy the midwife was coming to the house for checkups
and every time she tried to use the doppler to hear the baby's heart we got
a country music station playing! It was very strange hearing that coming
out of your stomach!

We live surrounded by religion here. At first the blasting of the call to
prayer around the whole city would wake us up but now we barely notice it.
Sometimes when you are walking you can have 3 mosques within sight of each
other all with prayers blasting out of loudspeakers. It's weird at first
but funny how fast you adapt.

It's actually easier to live in an Islamic country than it was to live in
TN where everyone pushed fundamentalist christianity on you. At least here
the gov schools aren't breaking laws when they have enforced prayers unlike
the TN schools -- no offense to anyone who is christian so sorry ahead of
time.

Kate

One other example, among many: our house is
> being worked on (remember the toilet overflowing upstairs?) and one of
> the subcontractors was playing a Christian radio station so loudly the
> other day that I had to ask him to turn it down. I was going to joke
> about it to his boss and then I found out he, the boss, is also a
> born-again Christian!
>
> Susan, a former Methodist
>
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In a message dated 5/11/02 11:45:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< I swear--no offense to any religious people--that Christianity is out to
get me >>

Well just come down here Susan (or maybe you're already in the South?) and
you can get yelled at from street corners.
The interesections nearest our house seem to be their favorite hell and
damnation yelling grounds!
A Dad had his little boy out there yesterday, waving his Bible while the Dad
took pictures. I guess they have to document their way to heaven? Sheesh.
The poor kid.
Ren

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In a message dated 5/11/02 11:45:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< It's actually easier to live in an Islamic country than it was to live in
TN where everyone pushed fundamentalist christianity on you. At least here
the gov schools aren't breaking laws when they have enforced prayers unlike
the TN schools -- no offense to anyone who is christian so sorry ahead of
time. >>

No offense taken!! I agree completely.....I used to get really riled up over
those people waving their Bibles and shouting. Now I just sigh and roll my
eyes. It's become part of the scenery here (FL).
What country are you in? That must be quite the learning experience!!
Ren

Sharon Rudd

> A Dad had his little boy out there yesterday, waving
> his Bible while the Dad
> took pictures. I guess they have to document their
> way to heaven? Sheesh.
> The poor kid.


Once, eons ago, camping in the Yukon, Jehova's
Wiitness' found us!! A boy and his father came to the
camp about dawn with religious flyers and asking for
money (they both had on white shirts and ties). After
they left, some drunks found us and offered to take us
(my companion and me) to breakfast!! Hmmmmm, is there
a message here?

Sharon of the Swamp





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moonmeghan

<<<< Well just come down here Susan (or maybe you're already
in the South?) and
> you can get yelled at from street corners.
> The interesections nearest our house seem to be their favorite
hell and
> damnation yelling grounds!
> A Dad had his little boy out there yesterday, waving his Bible
while the Dad
> took pictures. I guess they have to document their way to
heaven? Sheesh.
> The poor kid.
> Ren>>>>


Here in Paradise, CA there are 36 churches in a town with a
population of 26,000. They are all Christian, most of them
fundamentalist (The Baha'i Faith is here as well, but I have no
idea what that is. Hmm, I think I'll do a search on it). Saying that,
I've found quite a few 'alternative thinkers' up here. There seems
to be more diversity moving in. They don't seem to sermonize
around here though. Apparently, they believe that you can only
be in God's favour by associating with fellow Christians (how
they are supposed to 'save' anyone if they aren't willing to
associate with them is beyond me).

Meghan
The happy heathen who has no interest whatsoever in being
'saved', thank you very much!

Sheryl Lentine

For those of you with religious families, how do you meld that with unschooling? For instance, if you are a practicing Jew and your child wanted to eat pork, would you buy her pork? Or explain "we don't do this in our family and this is why . . . ".

In a secular household where nothing is considered sacred, it allows for a freedom that may not always be present in a household where some things are seen as "sin".

I'm not talking about morality. For instance, I doubt any of us would allow a child to hit or abuse their siblings. That is not a religious issue, but a moral one. I'm talking more about religious particulars.

Sheryl

Sent from my iPhone

Miles Tress

Hi Sheryl,
We are churchgoers and our faith tradition is important to us in our
everyday life. The way I meld this with unschooling is that I have tried
to encourage an atmosphere where my daughter is comfortable in asking about
anything and questioning anything, even subjects or words that
traditionally wouldn't be allowed or discussed in churchgoing families.
Tress, unschooling Lillie (almost 11)


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Sheryl Lentine <sheryl@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> For those of you with religious families, how do you meld that with
> unschooling? For instance, if you are a practicing Jew and your child
> wanted to eat pork, would you buy her pork? Or explain "we don't do this in
> our family and this is why . . . ".
>
> In a secular household where nothing is considered sacred, it allows for a
> freedom that may not always be present in a household where some things are
> seen as "sin".
>
> I'm not talking about morality. For instance, I doubt any of us would
> allow a child to hit or abuse their siblings. That is not a religious
> issue, but a moral one. I'm talking more about religious particulars.
>
> Sheryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>


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Sandra Dodd

I have a few things saved from over the years that might have little bits that would at least give you ideas.

http://sandradodd.com/religion

"Some religions are conducive to unschooling and others, not so much. There's no reason to sort through them, because each parent who looks at unschooling is looking through her own eyes, with her own knowledge and base beliefs. It doesn't work for everyone." is from this page:
http://sandradodd.com/misconceptions

http://sandradodd.com/christian/ has some discussion applicable to other religions, too, and some links.





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Joyce Fetteroll

On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Sheryl Lentine wrote:

> For instance, if you are a practicing Jew and your child wanted to eat pork,
> would you buy her pork? Or explain "we don't do this in our family and this is why . . . ".

I think better than a "we" explanation -- which means you've made some executive decision for her -- talk about what it spiritually means to you and why you and your husband have decided to follow the rules you do. Don't try to persuade her to believe the "right" way. Share what's special about it for you.

Not following the rules doesn't "count" until they're 13, right? So, depending on how strict your interpretation, you may not want to bring pork into your home, but you can let her know you'll support her in exploring it.

Joyce

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Brynna Rafferty-Brown

This thread interests me a lot! My husband and I are both
semi-practising Muslims... our daughter is only 18 months old, but
working out how religious practice might fit in an unschooling context
is something I've been thinking about quite a bit lately. Mainly
because we recently came back from a family holiday (the rest of my
family aren't Muslim) where my family drank alcohol and ate bacon on
occasion... When our daughter showed an interest in either one they
would be very sweet and say things like 'No, this one's not for you'
or 'No, you don't want this. You'll never want to try this one!'. I
appreciated them trying to take account of our own practices, but
wasn't comfortable with their choice of words at all!

We haven't yet worked out what we'll do if she wants to try pork or
alcohol at a later stage, or what we'll say to my family if it comes
up again, but the thoughts I've had so far are...

In terms of praying and things we'd like her to actively do, we just
let her see what we're doing and include her if she wants to (e.g. she
likes one of us to hold her while we pray and enjoys getting to pass
our folded prayer mats and other bits and pieces to someone to put
away when we're done). We're very happy with the idea of letting her
start praying if and when she decides it's something she wants to do.

In terms of pork and alcohol, we still have a bit more talking to do,
but two of the points Joyce made are definitely part of the plan so
far. Firstly, I plan to really think through why those things and
others are important to me (and my husband) so we can come up with a
clear explanation when she asks, something beyond simply 'Because
we're Muslim'. And I also like to keep in mind the story of an adult
friend of mine in Indonesia who happily told me one day that he had in
fact tasted pork when he was younger. He wouldn't eat it now as he's
an adult, but until he reached puberty (adulthood religiously
speaking) it wasn't a 'sin' for him to try some. The story is unusual
(I don't know if his parents knew about it) but it does actually
completely fit with religious teachings.

The other religious practice questions we'll have eventually (much
further down the track!) will be things like dating and sex before
marriage... At this point in time I imagine we'll just approach those
things the same way any other family would approach practices or
principles that they value... by being as honest as we can with our
daughter about why those things are important to us.

One of the main things I feel like we still need to work out is
whether or not we're both comfortable with the idea of letting her try
things like pork (or alcohol!) before she reaches puberty. e.g. what
if she wants to try some bacon when she's three or four? I think I'm
okay with the idea of her trying it, but I have no idea what I'd do if
she decided she liked it!

I would be really interested to know what approach vegetarian families
have taken to the issue of their children trying meat... I know it's
not exactly the same as a religious practice, but for families where
their choice to be vegetarian is based on strong ethical objections to
killing other living beings I imagine there might be some
similarities?

--
Lombok Kids www.iced.org.au/lombok-kids

Yvonne Laborda

We are vegetarian and our children haven't had any interest in meat so far.
I explain them why I choose and prefer not to eat meat. They simply
wouldn't eat any as for them eating a piece of dead animal isn't a choice
now. It puts them off. They really feel sorry for all those animals being
killed. If they want to eat o try meat when they grow up they will. My
parents weren't vegetarians.


2013/8/2 Brynna Rafferty-Brown <braff16@...>

> **
>
>
> This thread interests me a lot! My husband and I are both
> semi-practising Muslims... our daughter is only 18 months old, but
> working out how religious practice might fit in an unschooling context
> is something I've been thinking about quite a bit lately. Mainly
> because we recently came back from a family holiday (the rest of my
> family aren't Muslim) where my family drank alcohol and ate bacon on
> occasion... When our daughter showed an interest in either one they
> would be very sweet and say things like 'No, this one's not for you'
> or 'No, you don't want this. You'll never want to try this one!'. I
> appreciated them trying to take account of our own practices, but
> wasn't comfortable with their choice of words at all!
>
> We haven't yet worked out what we'll do if she wants to try pork or
> alcohol at a later stage, or what we'll say to my family if it comes
> up again, but the thoughts I've had so far are...
>
> In terms of praying and things we'd like her to actively do, we just
> let her see what we're doing and include her if she wants to (e.g. she
> likes one of us to hold her while we pray and enjoys getting to pass
> our folded prayer mats and other bits and pieces to someone to put
> away when we're done). We're very happy with the idea of letting her
> start praying if and when she decides it's something she wants to do.
>
> In terms of pork and alcohol, we still have a bit more talking to do,
> but two of the points Joyce made are definitely part of the plan so
> far. Firstly, I plan to really think through why those things and
> others are important to me (and my husband) so we can come up with a
> clear explanation when she asks, something beyond simply 'Because
> we're Muslim'. And I also like to keep in mind the story of an adult
> friend of mine in Indonesia who happily told me one day that he had in
> fact tasted pork when he was younger. He wouldn't eat it now as he's
> an adult, but until he reached puberty (adulthood religiously
> speaking) it wasn't a 'sin' for him to try some. The story is unusual
> (I don't know if his parents knew about it) but it does actually
> completely fit with religious teachings.
>
> The other religious practice questions we'll have eventually (much
> further down the track!) will be things like dating and sex before
> marriage... At this point in time I imagine we'll just approach those
> things the same way any other family would approach practices or
> principles that they value... by being as honest as we can with our
> daughter about why those things are important to us.
>
> One of the main things I feel like we still need to work out is
> whether or not we're both comfortable with the idea of letting her try
> things like pork (or alcohol!) before she reaches puberty. e.g. what
> if she wants to try some bacon when she's three or four? I think I'm
> okay with the idea of her trying it, but I have no idea what I'd do if
> she decided she liked it!
>
> I would be really interested to know what approach vegetarian families
> have taken to the issue of their children trying meat... I know it's
> not exactly the same as a religious practice, but for families where
> their choice to be vegetarian is based on strong ethical objections to
> killing other living beings I imagine there might be some
> similarities?
>
> --
> Lombok Kids www.iced.org.au/lombok-kids
>
>



--
Yvonne Laborda.
www.welivelearning.blogspot.com


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Juliet Kemp

On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 09:45:08PM +1000, Brynna Rafferty-Brown wrote:
> ---- I would be really interested to know what approach vegetarian families
> have taken to the issue of their children trying meat... I know it's
> not exactly the same as a religious practice, but for families where
> their choice to be vegetarian is based on strong ethical objections to
> killing other living beings I imagine there might be some
> similarities? ----

I'm vegan and the other adults in the household are somewhere between
"vegetarian in practice" and "rarely eats meat". As a household we
agreed not to have/cook meat in the house. Currently Leon (17 months)
eats what we do, so mostly vegan, some eggs, very little dairy as he's
growing out of some variety of intolerance.

My current approach is that I would prefer him not to eat meat until
he's old enough to understand what he's eating. At that point if he asks
I will explain why I don't eat it (moral/ethical reasons), and if he
wants to try it, will talk to a nearby close friend who is very
into cooking, eats good quality free range meat, and is a "whole of the
animal" eater. (Not that I would want or expect her to talk about all
that stuff with him unless he was interested, but I'd be more
comfortable with him trying ethically-farmed meat at least initially.)

Having said that, if what he really wants to try is a McDonald's
hamburger, then I think I would prioritise supporting that / our
relationship over my ethical concerns about fast food meat. Though again
would be honest about why I choose not to eat there.

If he decides that he wants to eat meat more often, then we'd have to
work out how to support that and what would work best for everyone. I
confess that I hope he will prefer to stay at least mostly veggie as I
do like having a meat-free kitchen!

In the meantime, if he eats a ham sandwich at a party or whatever... I
won't be thrilled but I'm not going to freak out about it either. I have
asked our families not to offer meat, and if they ever make a big deal
about not offering (unlikely) I will ask them not to do that either :)


Juliet

clarissa

My husband and I are vegetarian and our 7 and 5 year old children had never tried meat until very recently when our 7 year old decided to try chicken. My husband and I do not have the exact same reasoning behind our vegetarianism and our kids have heard many different reasons that some people choose not to eat meat. We've discussed it casually over the years but never flat out said "You cannot eat meat."

I've got to be frank that it took me a bit to process it when my daughter chose to try meat but I'm so glad that I am making the effort to live my values while supporting her in hers! My husband and I were not with her when she tried chicken for the first time. She and her brother were out with my dad and I got a phone call - my dad said our daughter asked him to call us to check in with us about it and make sure it was ok with us. We found this very thoughtful and sweet. At first I was concerned that she felt she had to ask permission to eat something but, after talking with her about it and getting a feel for the situation, it seems it was more that she was considering how we might feel about it. I am pretty sure she would have been willing to forgo trying it if we had asked her to.

It was amazing to hear her thought process and excitement behind going from vegetarian to omnivore. Several days after her first trying it, she cried and said she wondered if it makes her a bad person for eating meat because she loves animals. She definitely feels some internal conflict between liking the taste/feeling proud of herself for trying something new while loving animals and not wanting them to be killed.

I struggled within myself with the notion that she tried meat. I quickly realized that I liked the IDEA of my children being vegetarians...more that I was comfortable admitting. Fortunately, something I read here once popped into my head. I'm sure I'm wording it wrong but the sentiment was this: Your relationship with your kid needs to be more important than your IDEA of your kid.

I am putting that into practice and enjoying the journey of watching my daughter wrestle with her ideas and feelings about this; and supporting her along the way.

I realize I didn't really offer any advice to your specific questions but I wanted to share our recent experience around the topic of vegetarianism.

- Clarissa

--- In [email protected], Brynna Rafferty-Brown <braff16@...> wrote:
>
> This thread interests me a lot! My husband and I are both
> semi-practising Muslims... our daughter is only 18 months old, but
> working out how religious practice might fit in an unschooling context
> is something I've been thinking about quite a bit lately. Mainly
> because we recently came back from a family holiday (the rest of my
> family aren't Muslim) where my family drank alcohol and ate bacon on
> occasion... When our daughter showed an interest in either one they
> would be very sweet and say things like 'No, this one's not for you'
> or 'No, you don't want this. You'll never want to try this one!'. I
> appreciated them trying to take account of our own practices, but
> wasn't comfortable with their choice of words at all!
>
> We haven't yet worked out what we'll do if she wants to try pork or
> alcohol at a later stage, or what we'll say to my family if it comes
> up again, but the thoughts I've had so far are...
>
> In terms of praying and things we'd like her to actively do, we just
> let her see what we're doing and include her if she wants to (e.g. she
> likes one of us to hold her while we pray and enjoys getting to pass
> our folded prayer mats and other bits and pieces to someone to put
> away when we're done). We're very happy with the idea of letting her
> start praying if and when she decides it's something she wants to do.
>
> In terms of pork and alcohol, we still have a bit more talking to do,
> but two of the points Joyce made are definitely part of the plan so
> far. Firstly, I plan to really think through why those things and
> others are important to me (and my husband) so we can come up with a
> clear explanation when she asks, something beyond simply 'Because
> we're Muslim'. And I also like to keep in mind the story of an adult
> friend of mine in Indonesia who happily told me one day that he had in
> fact tasted pork when he was younger. He wouldn't eat it now as he's
> an adult, but until he reached puberty (adulthood religiously
> speaking) it wasn't a 'sin' for him to try some. The story is unusual
> (I don't know if his parents knew about it) but it does actually
> completely fit with religious teachings.
>
> The other religious practice questions we'll have eventually (much
> further down the track!) will be things like dating and sex before
> marriage... At this point in time I imagine we'll just approach those
> things the same way any other family would approach practices or
> principles that they value... by being as honest as we can with our
> daughter about why those things are important to us.
>
> One of the main things I feel like we still need to work out is
> whether or not we're both comfortable with the idea of letting her try
> things like pork (or alcohol!) before she reaches puberty. e.g. what
> if she wants to try some bacon when she's three or four? I think I'm
> okay with the idea of her trying it, but I have no idea what I'd do if
> she decided she liked it!
>
> I would be really interested to know what approach vegetarian families
> have taken to the issue of their children trying meat... I know it's
> not exactly the same as a religious practice, but for families where
> their choice to be vegetarian is based on strong ethical objections to
> killing other living beings I imagine there might be some
> similarities?
>
> --
> Lombok Kids www.iced.org.au/lombok-kids
>

Claire

I've been a vegetarian for 20 years, but my partner and kids are omnivores. I buy and cook the best organic meat I can, while also cooking lots of meals without meat. I give my kids the foods they like.

For me, being a vegetarian is a profound philosophical choice that I arrived at through my own inclination, reading and experiences. It doesn't make sense for me to impose this choice on others because they are not me. In the same way, adhering to a religious faith is/should be a profoundly personal decision. Until children are old enough to make up their own minds, I don't think they should be considered to 'be' a particular faith. Children of religious parents grow up within the traditions/practices of their parents' beliefs, and the more those practices make sense, and the more that scope is provided for experimentation outside those practices, then the more likely it is that the children will genuinely respect their parents' choices, whether they choose to adopt the same religious creed or not.

Claire

Meredith

Brynna Rafferty-Brown wrote:
> > ---- I would be really interested to know what approach vegetarian families
> > have taken to the issue of their children trying meat...

When Morgan was younger I worried about what "approach" to take - with food as well as other things. What actually happened was that she saw something and wanted to try it and I wanted to help her explore the world. So she had some McD's chicken nuggets and liked them. For awhile it was the only meat she would eat - while at the same time not liking to eat cookies shaped like animals! I bought her some at McD's, some in the freezer section of the grocery, made some from scratch, and made some veggie nuggets out of chick peas. She liked McD's best of the lot. Eventually, she decided she didn't want to eat chicken nuggets even though she liked them.

One of the things that helped me most as an unschooling parent was stepping back from ideas like "what approach should I take?" and "how am I going to expose my kid to this?" and instead look at my kid and think about what she wants, what interests her, what she seems to be trying to discover - and be curious about and amazed by that. Thinking about approaches and exposure was a way of seeing life with my kid as a series of lessons with hoped-for outcomes and right answers, which left me disconnected from my real kid, her interests and desires, and our relationship. It has helped instead to think about what kind of person I want to be, and what I value - what do I want to see More of in the world? And then make choices that take me in those directions. I want more peace and sweetness and communication - so it's important to me to be sweet, to look for peaceful options, and to open myself up to understand what my kid is telling me... especially as she's not much of a talker!

---Meredith

lalow

I want more peace and sweetness and communication - so it's important to me to be sweet, to look for peaceful options, and to open myself up to understand what my kid is telling me... especially as she's not much of a talker!
>
That especially as she's not much of a talker" really hits home with me. My middle son (10 years old) is so hard to read. He talks but when and where he feels comfortable. And it's often not when and where I want him to. For example, at a restaurant he suddenly becomes sullen and uncommunicative, he insists he wants to leave and begins to get upset. Typically, I'm patient, I know him well enough to know its a smell, the noise, confusion about the menu, so we go through each thing like a guessing game. With very little communication from him, we usually muddle through it, often leaving early. Then some days later her will tell me what it was.

Our kids are all vegetarians, they have all eaten meat, and it is my guess they will again at some point, especially my youngest who just loves all food. I have my reasons but they are mine, each person has to figure out theirs. I don't cook it though, I think I'd get sick.

Dola Dasgupta

We are Indians and I was born into a practicing Hindu family. Hindus do not
eat beef because of religious reasons. As a child I lived in Dubai with my
parents. My sister and I explored different kinds of meat there. Especially
beef burgers. My parents did not stop us from exploring. However they did
not eat themselves. When I asked my mother she would say.."I am just not
used to eating beef. But you guys can eat if you want to." She did not cook
beef at home. When I married, my husband's family was also Hindu but they
ate all sorts of meat. I started to cook beef, pork and all else! When my
sister and I got together at mum's place I cooked beef in her kitchen and
she did not mind it or object. She continued to not eat.

When it comes to unschooling and food and other religious practices, I
personally feel for me unschooling has been about allowing my children to
find out for themselves what religion means to them. And they do this by
asking me and others. We do this in our family through conversations and
sharing our deepest values. I myself have been practicing only meditation
as a daily practice. I do not pray as a Hindu anymore. For me the Hindu
signs and symbols and gods and goddesses have taken deeper meaning about
nature, Universe or life forces and compassion and empathy.

Religion for me has been for a long time now about personal choices and
deeper values that move me as a human being with relation to the world. I
encourage my children to perceive the world according to their inherent
perceptions or consciousness.

In our family, a lot of emphasis is on the individual consciousness and
what that consciousness brings to the child in terms of food choices and
other choices they make for themselves naturally and organically. I see
myself as an observer and partner in those choices and facilitating them. I
try not to polarize choices that my children make. By polarization I
mean...calling a food choice or other choices right or wrong, bad or good,
healthy or unhealthy. Instead we try to talk about them and see from what
space the choice is stemming from. There are many choices that are
imitations from the surroundings and environment that we as a family live
in..and then there are choices that are naturally emerging from a deeper
authentic place within...I do feel it is important to live through choices
to learn what stays and what doesn't stay with the child's true nature, for
the parent and the child.

In Advaita the philosophy of Non-duality which is the absence of Polarity
there is a saying called .."Neti neti neti"...which means negating through
living choices...it means in English.."Not this not this not this" And
equally there is another word which is said in the same breath that means
"this too that too"

Dola


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