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Elissa

> From CNN:
>
http://www.cnn.com/2002/fyi/teachers.ednews/05/08/graduation.policy.ap/index
.html
>
> LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- More than 3,700 seniors at eight San
> Fernando Valley high schools cannot take part in graduation ceremonies
> unless their future plans include college, military service or trade
> school.
>
> Officials in the Los Angeles school system's local District C in the
> southwest San Fernando Valley defend the policy as a way to encourage
> more
> students to consider college or at least get them to think about the
> future. But civil libertarians are calling the new policy elitist, and
> students complain it violates their right to graduate before an audience
> of
> parents and friends.
>
> "I don't like it," said Kassie Finch, who said she got a letter of
> acceptance from Pierce College so she can participate in the ceremony
> but
> will likely work at her mother's law office after graduation. "I'm not
> sure
> if I'm going to college or not."
>
> Initial estimates show that up to 95 percent of District C seniors have
> made a post-secondary commitment this year. Last year, without the
> policy,
> 54 percent took that step.
>
> "The policy basically says to our community that we hold very high
> expectations of our graduates," said District C Superintendent Robert
> Collins. "Is the policy harsh? I don't think so at all. A harsh policy
> is
> when we ignore youngsters."
>
>

~Elissa Cleaveland
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have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein

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In a message dated 5/11/02 5:13:53 AM, ElissaJC@... writes:

<< > Initial estimates show that up to 95 percent of District C seniors have
> made a post-secondary commitment this year. Last year, without the
> policy,
> 54 percent took that step. >>

So 40 percent were willing to lie to get into graduation?

Holy shit!!! Those who are NOT doing further education need that graduation
ceremony more than anyone else! If that's to be the height of their
formal-recognition life, they absolutely should get that whole cap and gown
extravaganza.

What dipwads. Those who are going to college don't need this; they'll surely
have a college graduation! <g> Maybe that would be a better policy. Those
going to college must commit to graduating and THAT will be their graduation.
Others can have the high school graduation ceremony.

Sandra

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--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/11/02 5:13:53 AM, ElissaJC@c... writes:
>
> << > Initial estimates show that up to 95 percent of District C
seniors have
> > made a post-secondary commitment this year. Last year, without the
> > policy,
> > 54 percent took that step. >>
>
> So 40 percent were willing to lie to get into graduation?
>
> Holy shit!!! Those who are NOT doing further education need that
graduation
> ceremony more than anyone else! If that's to be the height of their
> formal-recognition life, they absolutely should get that whole cap
and gown
> extravaganza.
>

Does this mean that if you don't 'graduate' with the gown and stuff
you don't get your high school diploma? Even if you pass all the exams?
At the end of high school in England, we take 3 'Advanced level' exams
and never see the school again. The results arrive by post. There's no
graduation. Thats saved for university and is optional even there. I
didn't go to mine. It was held 6 months after my degree finished and
was meaningless. I had my degree certificate so what was the point!

What happens to home schooled kids? I'm lucky in that mine plan to
take English A levels at some point and that is their pass to
university if they decide to go.

Shyrley the confused

Fetteroll

on 5/11/02 9:07 AM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:

> What dipwads

Whoa, I haven't heard that one for years! Brings back memories :-)

Joyce

Sharon Rudd

Probably just looking for some way to free up seats or
to speed up the program.

What a bummer for those 3,700 kids who earned this
moment of limelight. What a bummer for the parents.

Sharon of the Swamp

> > LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- More than 3,700
> seniors at eight San
> > Fernando Valley high schools cannot take part in
> graduation ceremonies
> > unless their future plans include college,
> military service or trade
> > school.
>

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<<What a bummer for those 3,700 kids who earned this
moment of limelight. What a bummer for the parents.>>

Every time the school systems do something like this I see a silver
lining, it's bound to open a few eyes. Hopefully it will be the last
straw for some students who will understand how bogus it all was.
Hopefully it will be a catalyst to free them from the years of propoganda
and conditioning. Maybe they'll even unschool their own children.

Kris

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>
> Every time the school systems do something like this I see a silver
> Hopefully it will be the last
> straw for some students who will understand how bogus it all was.
> Hopefully it will be a catalyst to free them from the years of propoganda
> Maybe they'll even unschool their own children.
>
> Kris
>
Maybe it will but probably it will have a negative effect and even make
more kids give up on education. Whether we as a group like public school or
not, for some kids it's the only chance they have. It's terrible to take
that small opportunity away from them.

Kate

Nanci Kuykendall

>Does this mean that if you don't 'graduate' with the
>gown and stuff you don't get your high school
>diploma? Even if you pass all the exams?
>Shyrley the confused

My sister in law went to HS at a Catholic school (Star
of the Sea in San Francisco) with those little plaid
skirts and everything. She was an honor student with
very high grades all the way through. But her widowed
mother of 4 could not afford to pay the last part of
her senior year tuition. Money was tight at that
time. So they refused to let her participate in her
graduation ceremony and withheld her diploma.

Nanci K.

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<<Whether we as a group like public school or
not, for some kids it's the only chance they have. It's terrible to take
that small opportunity away from them. >>

I agree that what they are doing is indefensible, my hope is that the
parents will raise enough of a protest that they system is forced to back
peddle.

Kris

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> >Does this mean that if you don't 'graduate' with
> the
> >gown and stuff you don't get your high school
> >diploma? Even if you pass all the exams?


In most public schools, participation in comencement
exercises (graduation) is not mandatory. The diplomas
are either mailed (often kids have gone on to other
things, already) or handed out personally, on request
at another date and time. This avoids handing a
diploma to the wrong person....and discovering the
mistake later.

Diplomas or participation in the ceremonies are
sometimes withheld for punitive reasons, but
graduation is still accomplished and can be confirmed
in other ways. I don't think it ever is, though. I
don't believe anyone has ever actually checked to see
if I actually graduated in 1967. I was enrolled in
college prior to graduation. So it may have been
ommitted, then, too.

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<< Does this mean that if you don't 'graduate' with the gown and stuff you don't get your high school diploma? Even if you pass all the exams? >>

I agree, the commencement ceremonies are not mandatory and are at times withheld. For instance, I was not permitted to attend graduation because I was 6 weeks pregnant. However I did get my diploma, which was mailed to me. Unfortunately for me, my diploma didn't mean anything. When I went to the Community College, they told me they didn't accept my diploma, I had to take the GED any way. What a waste of my time... going through all those classes only to be told my diploma wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.

Rebecca


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Shyrley

On 13 May 02, at 20:39, Kinkade wrote:

> << Does this mean that if you don't 'graduate' with the gown and stuff
> you don't get your high school diploma? Even if you pass all the
> exams? >>
>
> I agree, the commencement ceremonies are not mandatory and are at
> times withheld. For instance, I was not permitted to attend graduation
> because I was 6 weeks pregnant. However I did get my diploma, which
> was mailed to me. Unfortunately for me, my diploma didn't mean
> anything. When I went to the Community College, they told me they
> didn't accept my diploma, I had to take the GED any way. What a waste
> of my time... going through all those classes only to be told my
> diploma wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.
>
> Rebecca
>
>
Why was that? Does that mean two years of high school was a
waste of time?
Maybe standardised exams nationwide are a good idea in that
case. everybody knows what they mean and wherever you are in
the country you take the same exam paper and the grade you get
means the same thing.

That said, I'm against exams although i can't quite see what would
replace them until employers and universities look at you as a
person rather than how you did during 6 hours on a hot June
afternoon.

Shyrley
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